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| bhaloo |
| 04/05/03 at 02:26:26 |
| [slm] Anti-US sentiment in Arab world soars to new heights http://english.aljazeera.net/topics/article.asp?cu_no=1&item_no=524&version=1&template_id=279&parent_id=258 United States President George W. Bush feels that a successful US-led invasion of Iraq will reduce terrorism, help promote regional democracy, bolster regional peace, and contribute to the ultimate settlement of the Arab-Israeli dispute. Residents of five key Arab states vigorously disagree. In a wide-ranging opinion survey of Lebanon, Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, and Saudi Arabia conducted by a prestigious American polling firm, respondents rejected every premise the US President has laid out as justification for war. Jordanian Muslims gather at the al-Husseini Mosque in Amman, to pray for an Iraqi victory over the US They feel that a US invasion will bring more terrorism, less democracy, less regional peace, and dimmed prospects for settlement of the Palestine crisis. “The poll results are striking,” said Shibley Telhami, of the Anwar Sadat Professor for Peace and Development at the University of Maryland, who commissioned the poll. “They are striking not only because of the unprecedented degree of unfavorable opinion of the United States, but also showing the extent to which people in the region fear that war with Iraq will impact their lives negatively,” he said. US out of step with Arab and Muslim opinion John Zogby, whose prestigious polling firm, Zogby International, conducted the poll on behalf of the University of Maryland, said: “The poll results are an indication of how American policy-makers have lost touch with the region. While frustration with US policies was broadly predictable, I was startled by the high numbers.” On the issue of whether war will reduce terrorism, an average of 83% said that war will actually increase the prospect of terrorism, including 97% of Saudis, 87% of Moroccans, 81% of Lebanese, 74% of Egyptians, and 78% of Jordanians. More than 75% of all those polled feel that war in Iraq will bring worse prospects for Arab-Israeli peace. Again, the Saudis topped the list at 97%, followed by Moroccans (85%), Lebanese (82%), Jordanians (79%), and Egyptians (67%).On the prospect of a new Iraq catalyzing democracy throughout the region, 95% of Saudis, 66% of Moroccans, 60% of Egyptians, 58% of Jordanians, and 74% of Lebanese feel that a war to overthrow Saddam Hussein will bring less regional democracy. Interestingly, the Saudis consistently showed the highest levels of frustration and anger with US policies. “As a pollster, when we consistently see figures in the 70 percent plus range, we are talking about a national and regional consensus,” Zogby said. Zogby, an Arab-American, runs the Zogby polling group, one of America’s most well-respected polling firms noted for its precision polling in the last two U.S presidential elections. The poll results also showed that most Arabs in the five states – all majority Muslim countries - question Washington’s motives for war. They believe President Bush's war plans are motivated firstly by oil and secondarily by US support for Israel. Indeed, nearly three-quarters of all respondents feel that all U.S policy in the region is motivated either by oil or Israel, despite Washington’s oft-publicly stated stance that Iraq poses a regional threat. Other regional polls have indicated a similarly critical outlook toward potential war with Iraq and America's regional policies. Only Kuwaiti polls show overwhelming public support for war. Kuwaitis, however, express similar frustration with American policies regarding the Israeli occupation of Palestine. US not “honest broker” "There is an overwhelming sense that the US is not an honest broker when it comes to Middle East peace," Zogby said, "and that shows itself in every single poll we do." Interestingly, Zogby notes, in two polls his firm conducted last year, Arabs expressed a more favorable attitude towards the United States in general. This time, in response to the question about how “generally speaking,” they feel about the United States, the responses were overwhelmingly unfavorable: 95% of Saudis, 91% of Moroccans, 80% of Jordanians, 79% of Egyptians, and 59% of Lebanese. “We noted a significant deterioration from our previous polls,” Zogby said, which included all of the above countries plus the UAE, Kuwait, and Arabs living within Israel. In response to a question about world leaders they admired most, French President Jacque Chirac topped the list. Former Egyptian President and pan-Arab nationalist Gamal Abdal Nasser was named as the Arab leader from history they most admired. Zogby has presented his findings at the State Department, where, according to some diplomats present, there was much head-nodding in the room. “The poll confirms what we already know,” one American diplomat said. “The question is: what can we do about it?” For some years now Washington has sought to bolster America’s image in the Arab/Islamic world through an advertising campaign that promotes American values. The State Department even hired a highly successful New York advertising executive to lead the effort. One of its executives, Charlotte de Beers recently resigned, citing health reasons. Many veteran American diplomats are sceptical of the de Beers’ “branding of America” through television commercials and other marketing devices, but other diplomats say America’s lack of public diplomacy outreach efforts hampers Washington’s strategy of winning the hearts and minds of the Arab/Islamic world. The trouble is, say both Zogby and Telhami and a whole host of voices in the Arab world, the issue that frustrates Arabs is not American values, but American policies, and no amount of “branding” can change that. |
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| UmmWafi |
| 04/05/03 at 12:01:11 |
| [slm] A wise person of yesteryears said that hatred begets hatred......and the casualty is more often than not, humanity. It seems to me that we are living in a time where those words may be more than just prophetic, Astarghfirullah. To me, the word antisomething always seem ominous. May Allah Bestow Peace and Protection for His Creations, Amin. Wassalam. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 04/05/03 at 17:11:50 |
| I was wondering if they did a poll in america about anti arab sentiment? of course then we would be labeled as racists. |
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| jannah |
| 04/05/03 at 17:23:25 |
| They have Mike. I think they were posted before about how 60% or something of Americans think Saddam is behind 9/11 and that's why the US is bombing Iraq etc etc.. And also tons of not only polls but in-depth studies on how Americans in general know virtually nothing or even the wrong things about Islam and Muslims, the politics of the Middle East or in other parts of the world. That's not racism. It's just sad. |
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| yunus |
| 04/05/03 at 17:54:10 |
| i dont know if i would define "anti americanism" as racism. Anti americanism has really nothing to do with hatred of the american people but rather the government culture corporations etc. I consider myself anti american government (or rather anti government in general) and yet i am an american and i dont hate myself. Another reason why anti americanism cant be racism is because american are not collectivly one race like the people in the middle east who are overwhelmingly arab except for the few immigrants from muslim lands in saudi arabia and the Israelis third a minority group and an oppressed people can not be racist against the system that opress them lastly if you listen to what is comming out of many peoples mouths here in this country in regards to arabs and muslims it is inherently racist as are the policies of this government personally i have heard many people to my face refer to arabs and muslims as "sand niggers" and "sand monkeys" |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/05/03 at 17:58:34 |
| [slm] [quote author=jannah link=board=ummah;num=1049527587;start=0#3 date=04/05/03 at 17:23:25]They have Mike. I think they were posted before about how 60% or something of Americans think Saddam is behind 9/11 and that's why the US is bombing Iraq etc etc[/quote] Its actually 51% according to the article: The Moron Majority, an excellent article by Ted Rall read here: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=127&ncid=748&e=1&u=/ucru/20030320/cm_ucru/the_moron_majority here was the relevant part from the article says: NEW YORK--Now it's official: most Americans are idiots. Decades of budget cuts in education are finally yielding results, a fact confirmed by CNN's poll of March 16, which shows that an astonishing 51 percent of the public believe that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) was responsible for the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. There is no reason to think that. None. True, George W. Bush has asserted the existence of indirect links between low-level Al Qaeda operatives and Iraqi intelligence officials--a lame lie repeatedly denied by the CIA <SNIP> |
| 04/05/03 at 17:59:44 |
| bhaloo |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 04/06/03 at 18:52:02 |
| yes Jannah, you are right, there are dummies in all parts of the world. But is the arab world any better? What are the polls in the arab areas as to who was behind 911? 75 or 90% think it is Israel or the USA. Who are the Idiots there? Or I was listening to the Iraqi information minister the last couple of days. If this is where the Iraqis get most of their information then they are in a world of hurt. I think to a great extent most people are ignorant of other cultures. I read many posts on here about Christianity and things I am more involved with and I see totally ignorant posts. When I came on here I was, for the most part, totally ignorant of Islam. It takes quite a while to learn someone's religion and mores and culture. yunus, you are right, anti americanism is not racism, it is bigotry. It is the same thing as racism though. |
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| panjul |
| 04/06/03 at 21:39:20 |
| [slm] What are the polls in the arab areas as to who was behind 911? 75 or 90% think it is Israel or the USA. Fair enough Mike. I don't think it could have been the US. Nor do i think that Israel would pull something like that off. However, i do have my suspicions that the Israeli Intelligence knew what was up and didn't inform the CIA. For more information on my theory, [url]http://antiwar.com/israelfiles2.html[/url] Those are the files on Israeli Art students who were caught and expelled. Who were the Israeli citizens that were caught laughing and pointing + taping when the towers were falling? So the mulims/arab world takes a big leap and thinks it was either the US who did it or it was Israel. Why are the two sides suspicious of each other? The muslim/arab world living under the occupation of the West and then later under western puppet regimes is suspicious of everything western. People like Wilson and Truman seriously thought that the end justified the means and they were sincere in what they were doing, they thought by domination they can achieve their goals as well as bring other people the freedoms and joys of their version of democracy and life. Eisenhower, when he overthrew Guatamala's government with the aid of CIA covert action, and installed a regime more favorable to the US, he seriously thought that in the end it will be better for their people as well as for the US. The western world on the other hand fails to realize that their western influence is not wanted whether in the form of culture or government. The western world thinks that muslim/arabs are ignorant who are need of democracy and that Islam in inherintly opposed to it. So the muslims, frustrated take up "unconventionl" methods to fight what they see as the enemy. They think they are justified since they are not the superpowers in taking up illegitimate forms of fighting. Thier reasoning, they will always be sitting ducks unless they do somethng by whatever means necessary. And the western world goes, "see we told you they were barbaric and in need to our good democracy and western culture." So we all go round and round in a circle. The attitude well, if i have done wrong, then so have you and you can't complain the. Ok, fine. but what now? how do we move forward and make the world a little bit nicer to live in? That's the question. Both sides expect each other to stop *frist* and that then they will stop. Both sides keep thinking, if i give up my wrongs and suspicions how do I know that the other will too? What if they dont?...and so we return to the circle... Anyway Mike, you keep making refrences to Christians...we know how good the chrisitans can be. we live amongt them. we also know how bad they can be, people like billy ghram. are you sticking up for people like billy ghram? if so, then yes we disgaree with you. If your are talking about people such as yourself and others who are the opposite of billy ghram and people like him then we have no argument. |
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| UmmWafi |
| 04/06/03 at 22:49:39 |
| [quote author=mike aka ltcorpest2 link=board=ummah;num=1049527587;start=0#6 date=04/06/03 at 18:52:02]Who are the Idiots there.... It takes quite a while to learn someone's religion and mores and culture. [/quote] Hello Mike There are many idiots in the world, too many in fact. That is why it is very important to separate between the idiots and the non-idiots. However, how many of us have that skill fine tuned and honed ? Sure, we would like to think that we can know an idiot from 10 miles away but often we make the mistake of being that idiot ourselves. Thus the question remain. Who IS the idiot ? Perhaps if there are some hard and fast rules or criteria to determine idiots, maybe we can do better. Unfortunately there isn't any. Even the call to attack and invade Iraq is split between two opinions. One says its fair and necessary while the other says its idiotish. So, who is right ? I guess my rambling rhetoric is just to prove a point. That we should be very careful in sieving through the barrage of information and misinformation before arriving at what we think is the kernel of truth. In the meantime, we will get distracted. By feelings, by majority opinions, by polls and surveys and even *expert* opinions. Again, it is prudent to ask ourselves the source of such facts and even if the methodology for arriving at such "facts" prudent and just. Yes, it does take a while to learn beliefs, cultures, mores et cetera. In fact, in my humble opinion, it takes a lifetime. To be simple, there are just to many people who are just too different to conclude about A culture, A belief summarily. With that in mind, let us all be honest. How many of us have already concluded on a particular race or culture or belief based on an unrepresentative population sample ? I think, if truth be told, we have been guilty of that sometimes, if not often. It's being human. It's not right but it's not unusual either. Thus, we should remember that flaw in us everytime we are riled about perceived injustice in others. Insha'Allah, what I penned above is more for my remembrance than anything. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 04/06/03 at 23:36:16 |
| umm wafi, you are right. For me, I try to spend more time with people i disagree with than those i agree with. I try to get a variety of information. Like it or not, my main source of information about muslims has been here (also the lady who cuts my hair but she does not seem to be hard core muslim), i listen to KPFK (pacifica radio for all of you leftists out there) for the left wing point of view IE; democracy now, Robert Fisk type of stuff and the various talk radio shows and then I try to to sort it all out and it sure does take a lifetime to figure it all out. Oh yeah and some of the goofy websites that i am asked to look up on here. and panjul, i won't paint muslims with a broad brush buy taking a quote from someone who says something hateful in your religion if you don't do it to me also. does that sound fair? |
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| Abdul_Hakeem_Yaqin |
| 04/07/03 at 07:25:38 |
| assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatu allahi wa barakatuh akhwat wa ikhwan aka mike "yunus, you are right, anti americanism is not racism, it is bigotry. It is the same thing as racism though." me no yunus :o me just curious, how do you connect being narrowminded to racism :o, as the source, or as the synonym :o anti anti anti amerikat is no racism, it is bigotry, which you say is same thing as racism :o isnt anta kamerikat then same thing as racism :o ja ja ja, me wanna hear so me who is anti american goverment, and anti amerikan that way, is no racist, but me is a bigot :o, hush, then me is same as racist :o, so me is racist ??? now me is confused, me thought me was no racist..... :(( but me appreciate that you take the time to teach people like me what me is :o. me think even more :)) it is a special day today :)) "Oh yeah and some of the goofy websites that i am asked to look up on here. and panjul, i won't paint muslims with a broad brush buy taking a quote from someone who says something hateful in your religion if you don't do it to me also. does that sound fair?" if you dont do it, you say, so you may do it if the other one do it ? me wonders... why you wanna allow others to decide how you act ? if you think it is wrong to do so, stay away from it :o and if you think it is right to do so, please go ahead and do so then, no matter what the others think of it :o so me konklude like this :o and me really wants your correction, since me is a bit retarded, but prefer to call myself special :o, but this is how I get you :o me hates name calling, but me could perhaps resort to it myself, if the other part resorts to it ? no logical to me no no no sir wasalaamu |
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| BrKhalid |
| 04/07/03 at 08:28:06 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) I think people have to understand there is a difference between hatred of *American foreign policy* and hatred of the *American people*. Unfortunately like Sr Jannah and bhaloo have shown, it seems a lot of Americans have no idea what their government is doing in their name and more importantly *why* they are doing it. |
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| BrKhalid |
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| UmmWafi |
| 04/07/03 at 13:11:09 |
| [quote author=mike aka ltcorpest2 link=board=ummah;num=1049527587;start=0#9 date=04/06/03 at 23:36:16] I try to get a variety of information. Like it or not, my main source of information about muslims has been here (also the lady who cuts my hair but she does not seem to be hard core muslim), i listen to KPFK (pacifica radio for all of you leftists out there) for the left wing point of view IE; democracy now, Robert Fisk type of stuff and the various talk radio shows and then I try to to sort it all out and it sure does take a lifetime to figure it all out. Oh yeah and some of the goofy websites that i am asked to look up on here[/quote] Hmm...uhh...*cough cough*..good start Mike. Yeah, good start indeed :) Perhaps you might want to consider other means of learning too. Don't mind me, the virus scare is taking its toll on me. |
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| se7en |
| 04/07/03 at 15:41:40 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah, Hmm not too sure what's going on in this post (some of y'all seem a bit loopy, no offense :P) but as for anti-American sentiment increasing.. uhmm.. sorry if this is rude but.. aduh!? You send thousands of 18 year old boys into a nation to tear it apart and murder innocent people and you expect what? For Arabs to open their arms to American aggression so soldiers can shoot them in the head? This sounds a little too much like the post-9/11 rhetoric.. I think the question is not, "Why does everyone hate the United States?" but "Why does the United States hates everyone else?" as this seems to be what is expressed in it's continuous unjust and oppressive foreign diplomacy. Anti-American sentiment [meaning dislike for American foreign and domestic policy, not for individuals, people, or society] is increasing *everywhere*, including in the United States. I cannot describe to you the intensity of the agitation and disdain I have had expressed to me from non-Muslim Americans about where this country is headed under leadership like Bush, and their desire to change and reform this nation. That gives me some hope. may Allah protect the innocent. wasalaamu alaykum |
| 04/07/03 at 15:45:02 |
| se7en |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 04/07/03 at 19:24:36 |
| Seven, do you care to name names on who is loopy? abdul, can you come again on that one? I was able to follow it all the way up to when you finished my quote then I lost the point that you were trying to make. Hmm...uhh...*cough cough*..good start Mike. Yeah, good start indeed Perhaps you might want to consider other means of learning too. Don't mind me, the virus scare is taking its toll on me. Well, i did buy the quran a year ago, but i am only a 3rd of the way through. I would be far further, but i have to keep looking up these websites everyone thinks i am supposed to be reading. |
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| Mohja |
| 04/07/03 at 20:09:06 |
| Just curious Mike which translation of the Qur'an do you have? And also how are you reading it? IMO you'd want to read it according to the order of revelation which means you'd start from the short chapters that come at the end of the Qur'an, as they lay the foundation for the rest, up towards the longest chapter at the beginning. Am i making any sense ? :) It is also advisable to get a book on the biography of the messenger Muhammad [pbuh] so that you can have a better understanding of the message. Here's a good thread to check out : http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/madina/YaBB.pl?board=lighthouse;action=display;num=1015963178 And Allah knows best. |
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| Mohja |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 04/07/03 at 20:33:12 |
| it is translated by Muhammed zafrulla Khan it has arabic text next to the english translation, I have been skipping the arabic though and just staying with the english part. Actually just have been reading it from front to back. |
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| Mohja |
| 04/07/03 at 21:20:58 |
| Here's thread about the different translations of the Qur'an that are available and which ones are best: http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=madrasa&action=display&num=6622 [quote] I would be far further, but i have to keep looking up these websites everyone thinks i am supposed to be readijg. [/quote] If you genuinely want to educate yourself about islam and the values and principles it promotes, i think it's best to stick to the authentic sources i.e the Qur'an and the Sunnah [tradition] of the Prophet [pbuh] and after that the concensus of our traditional scholars. Everything else is mere opinion, which can be right or wrong. So i hope you keep that in mind when deciding how to *effectively* use your time on the board or elsewhere to achieve your previously stated goal to better understand islam and consequently muslims :) Insh'Allah i hope to see you actively contributing to the Al-Manar lighthouse as much as in this forum and more ;) |
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| Mohja |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 04/07/03 at 21:26:32 |
| you are absolutely right , because so many of them are wrong all the time! ;) :D :D |
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| UmmWafi |
| 04/07/03 at 22:25:41 |
| [quote author=mike aka ltcorpest2 link=board=ummah;num=1049527587;start=15#18 date=04/07/03 at 21:26:32]you are absolutely right , because so many of them are wrong all the time! ;) :D :D[/quote] *Sniff sniff* How could you ? After all the long and lonely nights laboriously typing replies after replies despite my long nails, you still say I am wrong. Man ! They think they know everything sheeshhhh. On a serious note : Reading the Qur'an is indeed a good thing to do. However, to know a religion, you learn about it. I don't know how serious you are in knowing Islam, and I am referring to gaining knowledge and being enlightened and not converting or reverting, but one way of learning would be to study under a respected and learned teacher, one who can adequately answer your questions. Also when learning anything, it's good to ask because you wanna know not because you wanna challenge :) Last but not least, if the teacher disagrees with you, maybe its not because he is a "fundamentalist" or stupid or ----------- but maybe , just maybe, you thought wrong :) *gets off soapbox and takes cover from Mike's flying tomatoes* |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 04/07/03 at 23:08:19 |
| [slm] just some points here 1.) I thought humor when your making fun of someone else is wrong in Islam 2.) Mike the Quran is the best thing ... I dont think its a problem if your reading front to back just as long as you understand that some things you may read will be discussed in detail more later on ...after couple chapters.. its basically in random order and also so basically dont comment till you read the whole Qur'an (because maybe you will find somthing it sais... but it will say it in a diff way or have addition to it in a nother part of Qur'an) It is beautiful, Alhumdulilah... I realize there is lots of judging going on here but once you read the Qur'an then its best because in Quran it continuously sais that Allah (swt) knows all and our knowledge is limited... Also I recommend you read conversion story of yousuf Islam (formerly cat stevens) (not that you asked, but just because he wanted to become Muslim after reading the Qur'an and he had never met a Muslim) 3.) I think as Muslims we should refrain from judging and assuming what other people real intentions are. We should just answer by fact because only Allah knows the true intentions. It is simply wrong to think that we know what other people are feeling when only God can do that. It seems like a form of shirk to me. Astagfirullah. 4.) not everyone wants to bash out Muslims... there are also people who want to learn and understand us even though it may not alwayz seem like that. Allah (swt) knows best |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
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| Mohja |
| 04/07/03 at 23:47:42 |
| [quote author=mike aka ltcorpest2 link=board=ummah;num=1049527587;start=15#18 date=04/07/03 at 21:26:32]you are absolutely right , because so many of them are wrong all the time! ;) :D :D[/quote] *ahem* remember what i said about opinions mike? oddly enough mine and yours are not excluded :o :o :) |
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| paula |
| 04/08/03 at 00:49:21 |
| [slm] [size=2][font=Verdana][color=Navy] ........ a quick entry between those tomatoes....... cover me [quote]yunus, you are right, anti americanism is not racism, it is bigotry. It is the same thing as racism though.[/quote][/color] [color=Blue] One entry found for anti-American. Main Entry: an·ti-Amer·i·can Pronunciation: -&-'mer-&-k&n, -'m&r-, -'mar-, -i-k&n Function: adjective Date: 1773 : opposed or hostile to the people or the government policies of the U.S. - an·ti-Amer·i·can·ism /-k&-"ni-z&m/ noun [/color] [color=Navy][left] One entry found for racism. Main Entry: rac·ism Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi- Function: noun Date: 1936 1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race 2 : racial prejudice or discrimination - rac·ist /-sist also -shist/ noun or adjective [/left][left][/color][color=blue] [/color] [color=Blue]One entry found for bigot. Main Entry: big·ot Pronunciation: 'bi-g&t Function: noun Etymology: Middle French, hypocrite, bigot Date: 1661 : a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices - big·ot·ed /-g&-t&d/ adjective - big·ot·ed·ly adverb[/color][/left][color=Navy] [left]One entry found for obstinate. Main Entry: ob·sti·nate Pronunciation: 'äb-st&-n&t Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English, from Latin obstinatus, past participle of obstinare to be resolved, from ob- in the way + -stinare (akin to stare to stand) Date: 14th century 1 : perversely adhering to an opinion, purpose, or course in spite of reason, arguments, or persuasion 2 : not easily subdued, remedied, or removed <obstinate fever> - ob·sti·nate·ly adverb - ob·sti·nate·ness noun synonyms OBSTINATE, DOGGED, STUBBORN, PERTINACIOUS, MULISH mean fixed and unyielding in course or purpose. OBSTINATE implies usually an unreasonable persistence <an obstinate proponent of conspiracy theories>. DOGGED suggests an admirable often tenacious and unwavering persistence <pursued the story with dogged perseverance>. STUBBORN implies sturdiness in resisting change which may or may not be admirable <a person too stubborn to admit error>. PERTINACIOUS suggests an annoying or irksome persistence <a pertinacious salesclerk refusing to take no for an answer>. MULISH implies a thoroughly unreasonable obstinacy <a mulish determination to have his own way>. [/left][/color][color=Navy] Hmmmmmm.......... [quote] Last but not least, if the teacher disagrees with you, maybe its not because he is a "fundamentalist" or stupid or ----------- but maybe , just maybe, you thought wrong [/quote] ...... (( I'd say be careful of the term bigot )) [hr] [/color][/font][/size] [wlm] [Edited by Admin: We don't know if that was tongue in cheek or whatever, but please refrain from calling other people that.] |
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| paula |
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| Dude |
| 04/08/03 at 01:01:37 |
| Mike, Everyone but me. I'm always right. Your welcome, Dude. ;) |
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| jannah |
| 04/08/03 at 06:20:44 |
| [color=red] Please refrain from calling each other names even in sarcasm/tongue in cheek. Remember we will enforce the rule of disallowing posts by the person if it was meant as an insult. PS Thanx for the catch Dude didn't even see that. [/color] |
| Re: Anti-US sentiment in Arab world soars to new h |
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| paula |
| 04/08/03 at 23:29:13 |
| [slm][size=2][font=Verdana][color=Navy] Oh my gosh......leave it to me to start some controversy here Hey, thanks for the cover Brother Dude..... or blowing my cover, as it may be..... lol..... :D (just joking...... all in fun) And you are right 150% Jannah for making modifications to anything questionable or wrong, that's why we have such a nice community to share here. In all truth & honesty though...... I just forgot a question mark :( ... guess it made it sound like I was addressing him, opposed to questioning his statement "bigot"? "bigotry"??.... "that's not what we are talking about" (that's what sparked my response to the issue anyway)..... and in any case.... this kind of rambling really does not benefit anything ..... and I know that... hope everyone else does too ........ (smile) I hope you didn't take any hard feelings with it either Brother Mike, not my intension....... Allahu Alam[/color][/font][/size] [wlm] |
| 04/09/03 at 20:02:04 |
| paula |
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