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| Peace to you O Freedom! |
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| freedom |
| 04/09/03 at 20:28:55 |
| Assalamu alaikum wr wb, Today we celebrate the fall of a dreadful regime. Praise to Allah SWT! Truth prevailed and falsehood lost. Today I am happy for my muslim brothers and sisters in Baghdad and all of Iraq; I am happy for Allah SWT fulfilled his promise: He came to rescue his people from oppression and dictatorship. Alhamdulillah! This was the answer to all prayers of millions of Iranian mothers, millions of oppressed kurds, millions of kuwaitis and millions of Shiah brothers and sisters. Subhanallah! Tonight Baghdad is different; Iraqis smell freedom in air. So long brother! We witnessed our women taken away and all we could do was to cry and look deep into the sky over our heads. We witnessed our children dying from chemical bombs, our youth being forced to fight for wrong causes, our families starving so that Saddam could pursue his dream of dominating the region. Stop! Hal min naasirin man yansuruni? wa laa hawla wa laa qowwata illa billah! Freedom! Let me shout you loud and hug you. O wind blow! Sun rise! A new day has begun. And let those eyes who can't see it get blind... Maa shaa'allah! Allah is great and throughout the darkness he sent his light to free his people. Brother! Sister! Be happy! the tyrant is gone and his regin is over. His idles are being destroyed and people dance on the streets. Laa ilaaha illa allah O time stop! I want this moment to be streached to infinity! Give me this one night to laugh after my smile was taken away by oppressors. Don't worry me of future. We work hard to rebuild her and she will be able to raise her head once again, proud! strong and ... smiling. Insha allah |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/09/03 at 20:45:37 |
| [slm] What freedom? From one tyrant, to the kafirs. May Allah (SWT) destroy the kafir invaders, and may Iraq be truly free of oppresive regimes and return to an Islamic state. |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 04/09/03 at 22:18:59 |
| [slm] Since the brother or sister is happy, shouldnt we support each other? Yes Freedom I am happy also that the people are free from Saddam. May Allah (swt) keep another dictator like him away from the people. Am'een. Alhumdulilah your sis |
| 04/09/03 at 22:20:02 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| theOriginal |
| 04/09/03 at 23:24:10 |
| [slm] I seriously can't believe the stuff that is said in this forum. I hate to be the one to start this up again, because it seems to be recurring in every thread....but do you guys honestly feel FREE? As muslims we should be absolutely and utterly ashamed of ourselves for allowing the kuffar into our holy lands, in order to protect us. That's like asking someone who wants you dead to prescribe you some medicine. As muslims, we should have set up an effective judicial system in our countries looooooooooooong ago in order to avoid a tyrant like Saddam Hussein continue his reign even after his OBVIOUS disregard for human life. As muslims we should be very ashamed of ourselves for having every flippin' kuffar country have a military base in our lands, for allowing them to let us think that they are protecting us, and then not serving our muslim brotherhood when it most needs us. We should be ashamed for having 1 billion muslims worldwide, and NO stable military system. We should be ASHAMED of ourselves for defining ourselves as shiah, sunni...when all it does is weaken us in front of the kuffar. And we should be ashamed for celebrating the loss of human life, the victory of the kuffar, the invasion of our lands, and the inability to make a change. May Allah swt have mercy on us. Wasalaam. |
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| ascetic |
| 04/09/03 at 23:29:55 |
| [quote author=CraZy4IsLaM link=board=ummah;num=1049934535;start=0#2 date=04/09/03 at 22:18:59] [slm] Since the brother or sister is happy, shouldnt we support each other? Yes Free`om I am happy also that the people are free from Saddam. May Allah (swt) keep another dictator like him away from the people. Am'een. Alhumdulilah your sis[/quote] I fail to see why people are overjoyed at the "liberation" of the Iraqis from Saddam. I mean the Americans supported and fortified him in the first place and then they went and removed him. Aren't Iraqi's under another dictatorship (a bigger one I would say) now? Will any Iraqi *dare* to suggest now that Jay Garner [http://dumpjaygarner.com/] or the Americans not run his country? What will be the result: he'll be branded a terrorist and imprisoned or killed. So where's the joy? Sure the people were happy: wouldn't you be happy if I starved you for twelve long years and then came and dangled a carrot in front of you? Would you have the energy to care who's coming to your "rescue" or what his motives are, even if it be the source of your oppression? |
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| jannah |
| 04/10/03 at 00:27:51 |
| [wlm] Good points guys... Freedom if you talk to Iraqis and most Muslims, this is not a victory. Who is the winner here? Who has gained the most? Who has nothing? Again please refer to stories of ordinary Iraqis and the state of Iraq today and over the last 20 years. The least we should do is feel regret that things happenned like this. You know how you really wish and pray for something but it comes about in the worse way, and you wish it could have come about in a different way. I mean can you look at that picture of that girl with the purple scarf and say it was worth it? Was it worth the price? The price of the past, the last 15 odd days, the 10 years of sanctions and worse still the price of what is to come... I think we should take a lesson from these events. These were calculated and planned historical events. How is it that people predicted this war with Iraq within months after 9/11.. how they described how everything was in place and described exactly what was going to happen/has happenned. We should be people of thinking and understanding. Other's plan 50 years ahead of time for OUR destruction. We need to take a page from their book and start thinking and planning as well. |
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| freedom |
| 04/10/03 at 00:51:01 |
| zahid and theoriginal, I feel sorry for you. apparantly you are trapped in the old game of blaming kuffffaar! You fail to see the clear fact that Americans were not the only people who helped Saddam to stay in power before Gulf war. Many arabs supported him and were calling him "Sayful Arab" i.e. "THE SWORD OF ARAB". Well that sword was broken to pieces today and the neighboring counties and also Iraqi people can be happy for that. You naively want to blame Americans for whatever problem we have in muslim world. Your despair makes you think an american general will rule Iraq instead of Saddam and a dictator is replaced by another one. I disagree. Even if americans colonize Iraq, at least they treat people with dignity and respect, people will be free to practice their faith and express their views. You want me to be ashamed for my rejoicing over the fall of Saddam? laa wallahi I am happy and I am proud to be happy. Many muslims should be ashamed that when Iraqi army gased the kurds in the northern Iraq, none of muslim countires except Iran (for the obvious reason of being in war with Saddam) condemned that act. invasion? rather liberation, this reminds us of the liberation of the french and japaease and germen by american troops in ww2. liberation of bosnia and kosovo a few years ago and liberation of afghani people from mulla umar and usamah bin ladan. nobody celebrates the loss of human life (oh let me see, wasn't that palestinians who did that on sept. 11th) what we celebrate is freedom. it's interesting how you analyse the happiness of Iraqi people. You must be kidding us. Iraqi people are happy because they were starving to death for 12 years and now they have smelled food? Hello! wake up! we are talking about a Saddam that his troops raped thousands in kuwait and iran and even inside Iraq. A Saddam that killed thousands of kurds and shiahs. Open your eyes for god's sake. I am just sorry that many of my muslim brothers and sisters are so much filled with hatred towards america that their eyes and ears have been blocked. and the only reason for their hatred is the israeli-palestinian issue. We didn't see any of these angry arabs protest in front of Russian embassy for the massacre in chechnia. it's over. the reign of radical islamism and arab nationalism is over. We do not let those radicals to represent us, to talk on behalf of us and hijack Islam. We will gain power and the first step is democratization of middle east and iraq is the first goal. the future is ours: young free muslims. |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/10/03 at 01:41:30 |
| [quote author=freedom link=board=ummah;num=1049934535;start=0#6 date=04/10/03 at 00:51:01]zahid and theoriginal, I feel sorry for you. [/quote] What for? Their posts were excellent. Remember the scholar's opinion, whoever helps the kafirs against the Muslim, is a kafir. (i mean this from a military standpoint, and i can remember how the "rulers" from saudi arabia were fearful when the scholars mentioned this point during the time of the US invasion of afghanistan.) [quote] You naively want to blame Americans for whatever problem we have in muslim world. Your despair makes you think an american general will rule Iraq instead of Saddam and a dictator is replaced by another one. I disagree. [/quote] They are not "naively" blaming america for problems in the Muslim world. But anyone can see that it is America that waged war against the Muslims. It doesn't take any normal person to realize that this was a war against Muslims. How can you ignore such a fact? The ends do not justify the means. A good book on the topic of commanding right and forbidding evil is one by Sheikh ul Islam, Ibn Tamaiyyah. If there is a danger of far more greater evil happening then it is forbidden for this action to take place. The thousands of Muslims lives lost to kill Saddam is clearly not worth it, especially by the invading kafir army (who put Saddam into power in the first place), and are now going to setup some puppet government that most likely will not follow the rules of Islam. [quote] Even if americans colonize Iraq, at least they treat people with dignity and respect, people will be free to practice their faith and express their views. [/quote] This is a lie. The British/America colonized all of the middle east, india/pakistan, and look at the type of people we have running those places. None of them rule according to Islam. Change will come when the people in those countries return to the teachings of Islam, because Allah (SWT) does not change the condition of a people until they change themselves. [quote] invasion? rather liberation, this reminds us of the liberation of the french and japaease and germen by american troops in ww2. liberation of bosnia and kosovo a few years ago and liberation of afghani people from mulla umar and usamah bin ladan. [/quote] The afghani people are in a worse condition now then when they were under the taliban, there is so much poverty now, and killings taking place. It was wrong for "muslim" countries to help the kafirs against the Muslims in Afghanistan just as its wrong to help the kafirs against Muslims in other countries as well. [quote] nobody celebrates the loss of human life (oh let me see, wasn't that palestinians who did that on sept. 11th) what we celebrate is freedom. [/quote] No that was a lie from CNN of video footage from a few years back. It was filmed at the wrong time of day even. This is well known. [quote] for 12 years and now they have smelled food? Hello! wake up! we are talking about a Saddam that his troops raped thousands in kuwait and iran [/quote] 2 wrongs don't make a right, especially helping the kafirs against the muslims, no scholar holds that opinion. [quote] We will gain power and the first step is democratization of middle east and iraq is the first goal. [/quote] democratization? the only acceptable law, is to be ruled by Islam. |
| 04/10/03 at 09:21:49 |
| bhaloo |
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| Abdul_Hakeem_Yaqin |
| 04/10/03 at 07:06:56 |
| assalamu'alaikum wa rahmatu allahi wa barakatuh akhwat wa ikhwan to freedom. "liberation of bosna a few years ago" you say. what you say isnt true, so I just wonder, where you there ? I know I was there. and it was already liberated when a third party entered the arena. and I can say it was not liberated by this third party, nah, it was someone else who liberated it in two seperate operations. Ps: I am also very amused that a sattelite cant find something like Kereterm etc for those of you who wonder, kereterm was a vacation resort, endless vacation..... wasalaamu |
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| BrKhalid |
| 04/10/03 at 08:47:16 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Freedom? To do what? To fulfill our desires and do as we please? Or to serve Allah according to His will and Command? Mankind has to realise that we are we are all the slaves of Allah. As Muslims we have sold our souls to him, so in a sense we don’t have any freedom. The limited free will that Allah has given us should be used to please him and not our own wishes. Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph [9:111] InshaAllah the people of Iraq will use this new found “freedom” to follow Islam and not any other ideology. |
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| Maliha |
| 04/10/03 at 09:00:34 |
| [slm] My heart hurts when I hear my fellow Muslim Brothers and Sisters celebrating this humiliating invasion and destruction of our people. Yesterday my mother and her friend went to visit a non Muslim family. They happened to be watching CNN at that time. The Non Muslim's face turned, and he was livid with anger, he remarked "Are Arabs really watching this?" My mother looked down, and she said for the first time she felt ashamed to actually say she was arab :'( The issue as we know is much more than being arab/african/afghani/indian...the issue is about Islam. And as sis original said we should really be ashamed of ourselves! One Billion of us in the world and look at the state we are in! Subhana Allah. We are not blaming the west for all the problems we have. We do have a lot of issues within that we need to work on. Despotic regimes rule our land, people are forgetting the very basics of their deen, and where there was so much light, now lies the ashes of a Golden era no more. Sayyidna Umar (RA) said "Allah gave us dignity through Islam, if we seek dignity through anything else Allah will surely abase us" (roughly paraphrased). Too many of us are striving for our professions, our status, reputation, wealth...too many of us have forgotten the reason why we are living. This is all true. The fact that the Kuffar are surrounding our dead corpses like hungry vultures, is made easy by our own willingness to let go of the firm stronghold of Allah. The Muslims during the time of the Rasul [saw] and the tabi3een were a lot less in number than we are, and yet they struck terror in the hearts of disbelievers and hypocrites alike. Sadly we have lost the fire, the level of Iman that made an ill equipped army of 15,000 people face and defeat a fortified army of 600,000 :o Subhana Allah it makes me cry to think of how far we have come, how much lower we have sunk. But as many have pointed before, does that give the kuffar the right to invade, plunder, and destroy us? Does their language of liberation and freedom, justify their greed, corruption, and plots to take over our lands, dispossess us and spread mischief on earth? Does our condition absolve us of the responsibility to stand up for justice? To enjoin good and forbid evil? At the time of Fir3aun, the most apt example of a tyrant, the Israeilis were slaves! Yet Allah sent Musa (AS) to confront this evil, and lead his people to what true liberation and freedom is...the worship of Allah (SWT). Why are these stories told to us, save to emulate and learn from the trials of our predecessors? I could go on forever....but I will stop short, and plead to you freedom and others who think like that, to really reflect on the current situation we are in, and then tell me what cause there is to celebrate. Sis, Maliha [wlm] |
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| se7en |
| 04/10/03 at 10:18:44 |
| as salaamu alaykum, interesting that 'freedom' joins the board with the sole mission of describing how wonderful the invasion on iraq is. shady. what agen*cough* I mean country are you from freedom? What prompted you to join the board? |
| 04/10/03 at 10:20:31 |
| se7en |
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| jannah |
| 04/10/03 at 10:47:09 |
| [wlm] Ok people, there are always going to be people you don't agree with, or people who have agendas or have different views . We should be able to respond logically and cooly or not respond at all. Half the fights that erupt here are emotionalism. Just respond and leave it be is probably the best way to go about it. Anyway I think this thread is done as well. Let's move on. |
| 04/10/03 at 10:51:36 |
| jannah |
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