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| mr-bean |
| 04/21/03 at 08:03:25 |
| this is what happens to some good girls in some muslim countries: someone issues a threat to the dad of a good muslim girl that unless she is married off soon, he will hijack her and marry her himself! this is exactly what happened to my best friend's sister very recently....an extremely brainy and good muslim 19 yr old.... so now her paranoid parents have decided to marry her off at the age of 19 and are sending her all the way to america..... somewhat similar thing happened to my sister (although not so drastic) when she was 18.... ...and people still wonder why the islamic laws are sometimes so harsh.... |
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| jannah |
| 04/21/03 at 11:42:38 |
| What the??? Are you talking about in tribal areas? Because umm girls have the right to say no and she has a right to a wali etc etc. I don't think the Islamic laws are harsh. They are designed with one purpose. To protect all the parties involved. |
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| mr-bean |
| 04/21/03 at 12:15:49 |
| ....i mean in the urban jungle...try karachi or dhaka or mumbai....choose which ever one you want....they are the same.... gundahs and mustans who rule the streets first harrass certain girls...when the harrassment becomes unbearable then the parents feel no choice but to just give up and let the gundahs marry them.... ....some islamic laws are harsh...how else do you describe stoning to death....there is even an ayat in the quran warning/comforting believers not to be swayed by their own emotions when punishing zina.... ....remember inalllaha ghafurur raheem wa innnallaha shadidul iqab..... (allah is full of mercy and allah is also severe in punishing...) ....and Allah knows best..... |
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| theOriginal |
| 04/21/03 at 17:55:53 |
| [slm] I am shocked...I never knew stuff like this happened. Actually...I'm a native Karachiite, and I've never ever heard this before...btw, there isn't anything wrong with getting married young.. Okay so I need clarification...are you talking about obsessive stalkers? Coz I'm sure all girls have had at least ONE of those (heh), regardless of where they live or whether or not they are "good" or even "muslim" for that matter. How did the guy come in contact with the girl? Does he know her personally, or did he see her walking down the street? ANd wait..the threat is so weird...unless you get her married soon, he'll marry her? Whaaaat? Whaaaaaaat? Maybe you guys need to do a bit of "gunda gardi" of your own. I heard that happens a lot in Karachi too...you know, get a coupla masked Pathans (yeh, they HAVE to be Pathan..) to go pick the guy up from a street corner and have a little chat with him.... We did that to my sister's stalker...our Pathan servants took him for a walk, and said "Hum maartay nahi hain, hum maar day tay hain" ... poor guy...never saw him again. (I would translate roughly, but it loses the humor in English, and also it sounds a little too violent in English) Okay okay, enough of my sadistic humor. I pray that things work out for all them chicas. Wasalaam. |
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| Dude |
| 04/21/03 at 18:14:31 |
| A classic, original post by the, erm...TheOriginal. ;D [quote]We did that to my sister's stalker...our Pathan servants took him for a walk, and said "Hum maartay nahi hain, hum maar day tay hain" ... poor guy...never saw him again. [/quote] Sounds like: "Come near my sister again, and we'll kick your ***** in." You should call Mulla- he'll take care of the daft bugger for you...apparently. ::) Seriously, best of luck. Sounds pretty sad. |
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| BroHanif |
| 04/21/03 at 18:19:09 |
| Salaams, [quote]some islamic laws are harsh...how else do you describe stoning to death....there is even an ayat in the quran warning/comforting believers not to be swayed by their own emotions when punishing zina....[/quote] whats so harsh about this ? True before you pass judegement then you need to find out why one did such an act. For example, if a person is caught stealing, ask him first why he stole. Was it because he had no money or food in the house and the family were on the point of dying ? How much did he steal ? Was it a copple of copper coins or was his greed evident by robbing a bank ? Ok so I'm not a judge but to me Islamic Law when practiced within the confines of Islaam is just. The reason the whole world is in a mess becuase the Muslims have lost the ability to invite to good and forbid evil. To me Islaam is perfect, it has no flaws or crookedness no matter what anyone says. Salaams Hanif |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/21/03 at 20:24:33 |
| [slm] I don't understand what is so harsh about these laws either? ??? I think they are so awesome and truly a blessing for society. Pakistan is just plain weird. I don't recommend any sisters going out without niqab there. So many perverted men just staring at women, its unbelievable, they have no shame, and don't lower their gaze. >:( I'm sure some of the sisters can relate horror stories. [quote] "Hum maartay nahi hain, hum maar day tay hain" ... poor guy...never saw him again. [/quote] translation: We don't hit, we kill. [quote] (I would translate roughly, but it loses the humor in English, and also it sounds a little too violent in English) [/quote] *cough* or maybe your translation skills aren't that good. *cough* ;D |
| 04/21/03 at 20:27:40 |
| bhaloo |
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| theOriginal |
| 04/21/03 at 20:43:11 |
| [slm] Aww man! First of all, I'll have you know, despite my obvious Urdu-dyslexia, I can actually speak it pretty decently. (hahah...okay I don't even convince myself) [quote]We don't hit, we kill. [/quote] (It just lost its humor...thanks bhaloo >:( ) And yeah Pakistan, especially Karachi...has a whole bunch of weird men hanging around....but dude! (that's my surfer lingo kicking in, no reference to "Dude")... Karachi r0x0rs. We got the best food district ever. I mean...EVER....like in comparison to any other city I've ever been to, like EVER, like ANYWHERE... (In case I haven't enforced it enough...let me add another EVER in there.) Anyway, the real point of THIS post is that I have another question (i know, bad habit....and I still want all the other ones answered...) What does zina, stoning to death, etc, have to with these girls and those guys who will forcefully marry them, even though their parents are cool with them being single?? Honestly, I think I missed the whole point...I'm a tad slow. Wasalaam. SF. (Always gets hyper during exam week) |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/21/03 at 21:03:06 |
| [slm] What are the good places for food in Karachi? ??? I've had Chinese food there at Dynasty and at Suzi Wongs (it was in the mariott), and that had to be the best chinese food I have had. It was really good. BBQ tonight had pretty good chicken tikkah. And Kopper Kettle (supposedly they were going for the Denny's type look) had this awesome dessert called basked alaska. But I don't remember any other good places there ??? I would imagine the UK or Tornto has some very good places to eat, given the large number of Muslims living in those areas. But I could be wrong. :) |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 04/21/03 at 22:24:09 |
| [slm] [quote]this is what happens to some good girls in some muslim countries: someone issues a threat to the dad of a good muslim girl that unless she is married off soon, he will hijack her and marry her himself! [/quote].... well this has nothing to do with Islamic law, its all culture man, although I agree it does happen And 18 and 19 (i believe) is not young. People in the US also get married around that age. (i think its pretty much universal) my senior yr so many people got married and the yr after I graduated, I heard so many people got married. [quote]And yeah Pakistan, especially Karachi...has a whole bunch of weird men hanging around....but dude! (that's my surfer lingo kicking in, no reference to "Dude")... Karachi r0x0rs. We got the best food district ever. I mean...EVER....like in comparison to any other city I've ever been to, like EVER, like ANYWHERE... (In case I haven't enforced it enough...let me add another EVER in there.) [/quote] They have also got the best clothes EVER [quote]So many perverted men just staring at women, its unbelievable, they have no shame, and don't lower their gaze. I'm sure some of the sisters can relate horror stories. [/quote] Yah definately and they can get pretty sick too but ill keep that to myself. Well here is somthing funny my cousin told me. She was walking home w/ her friend from school and this guy almost grabbed her or her friends dupatta! So she was like ma, bhen nahi hai kya? And he's like ma, bhen tho hai, biwi nahi hai! :o Can you believe that >:( [quote]Maybe you guys need to do a bit of "gunda gardi" of your own. I heard that happens a lot in Karachi too...you know, get a coupla masked Pathans (yeh, they HAVE to be Pathan..) to go pick the guy up from a street corner and have a little chat with him.... [/quote] Well we are not exactly pathan thats probly why my uncle spared the guys ;)(jk). When I was in Pakistan a group of girls were walking and my uncle found out that some guys were whistling and probly saying some things to the girls. So my uncle and his brother went and beat up those guys pretty bad. OUCH :P (not a smart thing 2 do down there huh) [quote]What are the good places for food in Karachi? [/quote] have you heard of lal Quila (its like a buffet) and 'Village' |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 04/21/03 at 22:55:08 |
| [quote author=theOriginal link=board=bro;num=1050923005;start=0#7 date=04/21/03 at 20:43:11] Karachi r0x0rs. We got the best food district ever. I mean...EVER....[/quote] Amen :) |
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| panjul |
| 04/21/03 at 23:16:07 |
| ...you know, get a coupla masked Pathans (yeh, they HAVE to be Pathan..) And why do they have to be pathans??? ::) I don't like that. My uncle was walking down the street in Lahore and this young upstart yelled, "there's a pathan! Call the police, we have a taliban with a big beard." My uncle turned around to him and said in punjabi (since the guy was speaking punjabi) "agar tu wi darhi mun na chor de musalan de bachai, te teri wi bar jai gi." Now if you traslate it, it will loses its insult. He basically told him to stop shaving his beard too, like a muslim, and his will grow as big as his. So anyway, there's this misconception people have about pathans that they are all into violence. I mean in Pakistan, you can get away with it. But consider a situation like that here. Would you say that about blacks or hispanics? that they are so tough/gangster/steeped in violence, maybe we should hire them to take care of our business? That would be called racist remarks. I consider the same thing about Pathans. In case if you are not wondering, yes i'm pathan and i don't like comments like that. I understand Original that you meant not offense by it, and you probably aren't racist/prejudicial towards pathans. But i just didn't like what you said about hiring pathans, cuz it's the best. Ok, so let's say that every pathan man was like that, quick to jumping into violence/acting macho/like a superman. Ok, so they are brave, they have a spine. Why can't the men of other nationalities in Pakistan get the same spine and stick up for their own women instead of hiring a pathan? |
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| mr-bean |
| 04/22/03 at 09:39:38 |
| [slm] i never said harsh = injustice.....Allah understands the true metric for justice.....but you can't blithly go around saying....oh the islamic laws are so easy and cool....because some of them are very much not easy....and that is the point....they are not supposed to be easy...they are a major league deterrent....a modern day analogy might me MAD....mutually assured destruction.....if you dare nuke me, you and your future generations will be nuked out of existence....(actually this is a very bad analogy) also...about local gangsters stalking women and then marrying them....yeah it sounds really too wierd, and i used to not believe that it happens....but believe it or not... as with all wierd and sundry things...they do happen in the muslim world, and not infrequently.... also as a humorous...well not so humorous footnote: pathans are great...but my pathan aunt's father killed her mother, because my aunt was born female.....an islolated incident.... |
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| mr-bean |
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| Tesseract |
| 04/22/03 at 09:49:04 |
| Assalamu 'alaikum, [quote]What are the good places for food in Karachi? I've had Chinese food there at Dynasty and at Suzi Wongs (it was in the mariott), and that had to be the best chinese food I have had. It was really good. BBQ tonight had pretty good chicken tikkah. And Kopper Kettle (supposedly they were going for the Denny's type look) had this awesome dessert called basked alaska. But I don't remember any other good places there [/quote] Seems like u didn't step out of the clifton, defence area, because all the restaurants that u mentioned are in those 2 areas only. If u haven't been to Burns road in Karachi and tried out every other food there alongwith that BEST LASSI in the world, then u haven't had real food in Karachi. I guess, u didn't even check out Tariq road and Gulshan-e-Iqbal. There are some very good restaurants there like the famous Silver Spoon. Me and my friends ate at almost every other restaurant in Karachi, and finally when we had no other restaurant left, we started driving out of Karachi. We used to go to this Madeenah restaurant located on Karachi-Hyderabad highway, about 30 minutes drive from Karachi and used to have that awesome chicken karahi there (Man, that's watering my mouth). [quote]ma, bhen nahi hai kya? And he's like ma, bhen tho hai, biwi nahi hai! [/quote] hahahha, that was a classic. Wassalam. |
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| panjul |
| 04/22/03 at 13:29:58 |
| [slm] but my pathan aunt's father killed her mother, because my aunt was born female.....an islolated incident Yes, exactly what it was, isolated inccident. I can point out many punjabi, sindhi, balochi doing equally horrible crimes. |
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| panjul |
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| theOriginal |
| 04/22/03 at 13:46:10 |
| [slm] Oooh Panjul...Didn't mean any offence by what I said...honestly. In fact I meant it as a compliment. The thing is, all the pathans I know are really intimidating...and it's cool to have them on your side ;) Generally very very nice people...and if you ask em to help you out...boy! they are more than willing. And wasn't it Zia Ul-Haqq who said something really cool about the Pathans..(I'm sure he meant it as a compliment...) ..I forgot what it was he said.. The fact of the matter is, that every social group does have some general characteristics...that's pretty much a fact, because even the Prophet (Saw) pointed out differences between the people of Madina and the people of Makkah. And even if this isn't the case, then people still generally, hold this view about Pathans...and so I'm sure their "talk" would hold more weight. Do you see what I'm getting at? If not...please, please don't take any offense to it...most of my best south asian friends are Pathan. And I fool around with them all the time....don't worry they have a lot to say about my people too :) Wasalaam.. |
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| Nomi |
| 04/22/03 at 14:11:36 |
| has anyone of you heard of something like "do not discuss ppl :)"... i'm not a pathaan but i've come across many gr8 one's, gr8 as in character :) and i'll suggest that whenever such a topic is brought up then "someone".. and it could be anyone, should try and show the other side of picture as well... i mean dont give a bad name to everyone living in the society coz if we discuss only the negative things then we'll be doing just that ! btw i've myself fought many a times with those who gawk/eye my family but my life became easier when ladies of my family started observing hijaab i.e. abaya+niqaab .. all thanks to Allah Again brother Arshad ur obsrevation is perfect coz u said and i quote.. "ladies in pak should observe niqaab... " coz its the best they can do and believe me ppl, it helps, specially the life of emotional guys like me becomes easier :) but i'll reiterate: that whenever such a topic is brought up then "someone".. and it could be anyone, should try and show the other side of picture as well... i mean dont give a bad name to everyone living in the society coz if we discuss only the negative things then we'll be doing just that ! i hope i made sense Asim Zafar. |
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| Nomi |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 04/22/03 at 15:35:36 |
| [slm] [quote]The fact of the matter is, that every social group does have some general characteristics[/quote] I have to agree. Personally I love some pathans to death! They themselves say that they are the best of friends and the worst of enemies. Also I have noticed that many pathans seem more religious. Allah (swt) knows best. [quote]i'm not a pathaan but i've come across many gr8 one's, gr8 as in character [/quote] yes Alhumdulilah me too. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I agree that woman should cover up but men should also lower their gaze. It is not like those woman run around in miniskirts Astugfirullah, they dress pretty modestly, Alhumdulilah. |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 04/22/03 at 16:15:15 |
| [slm] I am going to translate. [quote]She was walking home w/ her friend from school and this guy almost grabbed her or her friends dupatta! So she was like ma, bhen nahi hai kya? And he's like ma, bhen tho hai, biwi nahi hai! Can you believe that [/quote] (dupatta is a long scarf) She said 'dont you have a mother and a sister?' (cause he was bothering a girl) he said 'yah I have a mother and a sister, I just dont have a wife' :o |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/22/03 at 22:25:55 |
| [slm] [quote] but my pathan aunt's father killed her mother, because my aunt was born female.....an islolated incident...but.... But what Yes, exactly what it was, isolated inccident. I can point out many punjabi, sindhi, balochi doing equally horrible crimes. But... [/quote] I agree with sister Panjul's post, BUT WHAT... There's no reason to disrespect any group. Alhumdullilah we are all Muslims, and that is all that matters, there is no BUT in the equation, so please do not disrespect any group. |
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| bhaloo |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/22/03 at 22:32:36 |
| [slm] [quote author=Bulwark of Islam link=board=bro;num=1050923005;start=0#13 date=04/22/03 at 09:49:04] Seems like u didn't step out of the clifton, defence area, because all the restaurants that u mentioned are in those 2 areas only. [/quote] :D How did you know? :P But seriously, is there more to Karachi then clifton or defence, for an American like me? [quote] If u haven't been to Burns road in Karachi and tried out every other food there alongwith that BEST LASSI in the world, then u haven't had real food in Karachi. [/quote] I have no idea where that is? ??? [quote] I guess, u didn't even check out Tariq road and Gulshan-e-Iqbal. There are some very good restaurants there like the famous Silver Spoon. Me and my friends ate at almost every other restaurant in Karachi, and finally when we had no other restaurant left, we started driving out of Karachi. [/quote] I have been to both those places, Tariq road (went to Mr. Burger there, is there a burger place in Pakistan that makes burgers without spices? i also went to a chinese restaurant there) and Gulshan-e-Iqbal (really scary place). I don't think I'll eat in those areas again. [quote] We used to go to this Madeenah restaurant located on Karachi-Hyderabad highway, about 30 minutes drive from Karachi and used to have that awesome chicken karahi there (Man, that's watering my mouth). [/quote] I'm not that big a fan of curries, I prefer tikkah and seekh kabobs. |
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| readagain |
| 04/22/03 at 22:54:56 |
| [quote author=bhaloo link=board=bro;num=1050923005;start=15#20 date=04/22/03 at 22:32:36][slm] and Gulshan-e-Iqbal (really scary place). I don't think I'll eat in those areas again. [/quote] Hey now!!! gulshan-e-iqbal is NOT a V scary place >:( (its just a little scary ;D) mannn have u guys totally forgot abt the BEACHES????? i mean mannnn mashallah some of the best natural beaches (now destroyed by lots of pollution) i can never look at a lake and admire it cos to me its soo....plain...no waves...no noise....too boring .. ::) my experience with karachi perverts is that 75% of the time when a guys goes to an extreme of pulling someone's dupatta (yeah thats extreme)..its cos the girl looked at his way too...i have only said 75% cos i know there are total losers out there who just wd do anything to anyone ..astaghfiruallah... mannn i can neve understand those men..eeewww...i mean, come on..what makes u a pervert? not being married?? i dont htink so , half of them are and still?? WTH , augh..they make me soooooo mad GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 04/22/03 at 23:03:19 |
| [slm] Yes Im glad you said 75% because I know my cousin did not look his way , im sure she even had the dupatta in her head knowing her. mash'Allah. dont know bout her friend...Im not sure about exactly what about the dupatta. but i bet he did grab it for a sec. ..one time at the bazaar I didnt look at some guy at all just passed by and heard a nasty thing said. so it does happen.AStagfirullah. oh and I had the dupatta on my head too. although 'just looking at somones way' is not a reason for a man to do something like that (not that you said that) |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
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| panjul |
| 04/22/03 at 23:56:13 |
| [slm] Yes Im glad you said 75% because I know my cousin did not look his way , im sure she even had the dupatta in her head knowing her. Where my family is from originally in pakistan, those type of things are isolated inccidents. And mashallah, most ment keep their eyes on the ground. But when they do stare, it's because they are in shock to see a woman uncovered walking in the streets. That's when you know she's not from around there. |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 04/23/03 at 00:16:51 |
| [wlm] [quote]Yes Im glad you said 75% because I know my cousin did not look his way , im sure she even had the dupatta in her head knowing her. Where my family is from originally in pakistan, those type of things are isolated inccidents. And mashallah, most ment keep their eyes on the ground. But when they do stare, it's because they are in shock to see a woman uncovered walking in the streets. That's when you know she's not from around there. [/quote] Alhumdulilah thats nice to hear sister. But Im not sure what that has to do with what I said ??? It could of been in an isolated place while they were walking home from school. I dont know the exact details. Im just saying what I remember from what my cuz told me. |
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| panjul |
| 04/23/03 at 00:22:57 |
| [slm] Alhumdulilah thats nice to hear sister. But Im not sure what that has to do with what I said quoted the worng person. oopsss. if it bothers u, i can go back and change it. not right now though. when i come again to the board. |
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| Tesseract |
| 04/23/03 at 03:11:28 |
| Assalamu 'alaikum, [quote] How did you know? But seriously, is there more to Karachi then clifton or defence, for an American like me? [/quote] All I can say is "burger kha kha ke burger ho gaya hai bhaloo" :D :D :D. [quote]Pakistan is just plain weird. I don't recommend any sisters going out without niqab there. So many perverted men just staring at women, its unbelievable, they have no shame, and don't lower their gaze.[/quote] Ideally, niqaab is the best thing, but I would disagree on its being only solution as protection from perverts. I think hijaab with proper dressing would completely serve the purpose too. However, its very shocking to see hijab as a fashion in Karachi (maybe in other places too) these days i-e hijaab with half sleeves kameez and see through clothes or maybe a saree, and that's common. That's just annoying >:(. Wassalam. |
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| BrKhalid |
| 04/23/03 at 09:19:53 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) How did this thread get hijacked into a food discussion??? ;-) [quote]I'm not that big a fan of curries, I prefer tikkah and seekh kabobs[/quote] Shouldn't this be in the eating disorder thread? ;) |
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| Barr |
| 04/23/03 at 10:12:42 |
| salam :-) [quote]How did this thread get hijacked into a food discussion?[/quote] I'll bring the discussion, right back on track, O Bro Mod :), being the honourary member, that I am ;) [quote]so now her paranoid parents have decided to marry her off at the age of 19 and are sending her all the way to america..... [/quote] Y do they have to send her all the way to America? Can't they marry her off to a good brother from wherever she's from? At least, she won't be seperated from the family. And if anything goes wrong, her family is nearby. Or they can send her off somewhere safe, but not necessarily marry her off. At the end of the day, marriage must start with the right footing. Jumping into marriage due to fear is a bad start. And 19 and married in a foreign land seems a bit too much for a young girl. Or if security and safety is really that bad... maybe, they can consider moving out? But moving out would only solve the problem individually, not collectively... :( The problem would still be there. Would U think there r ways to help obliterate this madness collectively? [quote]Coz I'm sure all girls have had at least ONE of those (heh), regardless of where they live or whether or not they are "good" or even "muslim" for that matter. [/quote] Ermmm.. nope. Alhamdulillah, maybe, I'm a not like other sisters... but I can't remember I had an obessessive stalker, and I don't usually receive stares either. It helps when U're not a beauty queen, with a virtual beard ;) The time when I had the most stares was when I was in India, right from when I reached the airport. But even then, even the women stared at me. So I don't think its abt me fitting in the ravishing marriage material beauty type. I just looked too foreign clad in hijab. :P But alhamdulilalh.. I do get some nice smiles, from the Muslims... like they recognise, I'm Muslim, turn to each other, talk, turn to me, stare, smile. I dunno.. maybe, its in the culture to "look" at people? But I take it, that they're just too surprised.:) But India is cool, really enjoyed it, alhamdulillah :) Wassalam |
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| Barr |
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| Sunnah |
| 04/23/03 at 19:51:50 |
| [slm] "dunno.. maybe, its in the culture to "look" at people?"- Barr lol. thats sooooooooooooo true... thats one reason i don't visit my south asian country. well its one thing when a girl get hijjacked, but what do u account when you hear that a girl face was acidated due to her denying the male's proposal?? some men throw acid in the girl's face when they get rejected for marrieage. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [wlm] |
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| a_lina |
| 04/23/03 at 23:30:47 |
| [slm] [quote]have you heard of lal Quila (its like a buffet) and 'Village' [/quote] [quote]What are the good places for food in Karachi? I've had Chinese food there at Dynasty and at Suzi Wongs (it was in the mariott), and that had to be the best chinese food I have had. It was really good. BBQ tonight had pretty good chicken tikkah. And Kopper Kettle (supposedly they were going for the Denny's type look) had this awesome dessert called basked alaska. But I don't remember any other good places there [/quote] Been to almost all those places. :( Now I'm beginning to miss Karachi. [quote]And yeah Pakistan, especially Karachi...has a whole bunch of weird men hanging around[/quote] [quote]So many perverted men just staring at women, its unbelievable, they have no shame, and don't lower their gaze. I'm sure some of the sisters can relate horror stories. [/quote] ........and then, there are the not so pleasant memories. Well, I was one of those many females who had to travel by public transport everyday. No horrorr stories here, Alhamdolillah, but I have to agree with the staring part. I did not where a hijab at the time...but, while going out alone I would cover my head. ...and yes, it did help. Yet, some of my friends who wore a niqaab would complain about the stares too. It's as if these men would be waiting for it to accidentally slip off so they can see the girl's face! Astagfirullah. May Allah help us and guide us. [slm] :-) |
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| a_lina |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/24/03 at 01:56:30 |
| [slm] I've heard of the village, but haven't been theree. What's it like? No I haven't heard of lal Quila. I'm sure Bulwark of Islam can give the 411 on these places. And maybe recommend some real eating places. :) [quote] Shouldn't this be in the eating disorder thread? [/quote] Br. Khalid you mean to tell me you aren't a fan of Pakistani food? ??? |
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| BrKhalid |
| 04/24/03 at 04:58:16 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]I'm not that big a fan of curries, I prefer tikkah and seekh kabobs Shouldn't this be in the eating disorder thread? Br. Khalid you mean to tell me you aren't a fan of Pakistani food?[/quote] Far from it. It's just sometimes you can't beat a decent Lamb Bhuna. ;-) |
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| theOriginal |
| 04/24/03 at 17:19:32 |
| [slm] Wow this thread has taken an interesting turn! My absolute favorite place to eat in Karachi is Zen. When you walk in, the guy hands you a drink menu...and that's pretty much it. They don't have a food menu, because it's a "do-it-yourself" type thing. Amazing concept. They will cook your food in front of you. You tell them what piece of meat you want, what vegetables you are craving, and what spices are a "must-add", etc....(It also is more hygenic this way, since you can see them making it) It's amazing.... As of right now, I'm working on a compilation of places to eat in Khi. I'll post it here sometime soon...or, maybe after I return from khi...whenever... Wasalaam. |
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| Tesseract |
| 04/25/03 at 03:38:54 |
| Assalamu 'alaikum, [quote]My absolute favorite place to eat in Karachi is Zen. [/quote] Where is this place? Haven't heard of it. [quote]As of right now, I'm working on a compilation of places to eat in Khi. I'll post it here sometime soon...or, maybe after I return from khi...whenever... [/quote] That should be helpful for all of us (specially bhaloo) :). Wassalam. |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/25/03 at 09:29:35 |
| [slm] [quote author=Bulwark of Islam link=board=bro;num=1050923005;start=30#34 date=04/25/03 at 03:38:54] Where is this place? Haven't heard of it. [/quote] That's surprising, maybe cause its in the defence/clifton area. :P (im guessing its there, haven't heard of it though). [quote] That should be helpful for all of us (specially bhaloo) :). [/quote] I'm sure we'll see that these places are in the defence/clifton area. :) |
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| AyeshaZ |
| 05/03/03 at 21:21:03 |
| [slm] Karachi... is sooooooooooo crowded!!!!!! My first time in karachi was like 3 yrs ago.. its sooo crazy!!! Copper Kettle was interesting, ha ha i enjoyed eating halal burgers but there was soo much mingling of bros and sisters there.. and than we went this place called "zam zama" it was mad expensive according to paki standards and clothes were not that great!! Tariq Road... was longgggg !!! Camel riding was fun ;D *** I would definitely recommend Niqab for all sistas while shopping*** |
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| Aurora |
| 05/04/03 at 02:23:29 |
| Assalaamu alaikum, Guys just a little side note, the term pathans is considered derogatory (though not many people are aware of it as it was made very 'popular' under british rule) so in the future if you could try to use pashtun/pakhtun it would be much appreciated. Allah pa amaan ;) |
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| panjul |
| 05/04/03 at 17:35:04 |
| [slm] That's something new. All the pathans I know call themselves and each other pathans. i see no problem with it. but i 'll be sure to not call you personally pathan, but pakhtun. :) |
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| Tesseract |
| 05/04/03 at 18:00:02 |
[quote]Assalaamu alaikum, Guys just a little side note, the term pathans is considered derogatory (though not many people are aware of it as it was made very 'popular' under british rule) so in the future if you could try to use pashtun/pakhtun it would be much appreciated. [/quote] Wa'alaikum Assalam wa rahmatullah, That is a surprise to me. Although I know, its common for Karachiites to call male Pathans as 'Khan sahab', but I really didn't know pathan was a 'derogatory' term. I thought 'khocha' was a derogatory term ??? Panjul, u are a pakhtun too, right? Wassalam. |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 05/04/03 at 18:03:15 |
| [slm] wow. thats new to me also. This sounds like how we all say mosque and see nothing wrong with it but mosque was also originated in a bad way. so its actually a derogatory term too. |
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| panjul |
| 05/04/03 at 20:33:22 |
| Panjul, u are a pakhtun too, right? Yep i'm pathan. My husband gets called "khan sahab" whenever we went out to eat at a resturaunt pakistan. he didn't seem to mind. |
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| Nomi |
| 05/04/03 at 23:32:13 |
| [slm] all well people will call you anything, one can't stop them from that and no matter what one does to blend in, we'll remain what we are... it may not sound relevant but ppl here in pakistan call a bearded person "molvee sahab" :) and many say it by looking down upon you and this is why many bearded men cut short their beards too :( , its a fact it does happen some even start shaving !! but i think we shouldn't care about what others say when whats being said is in conflict with what Allah likes. My elder bro has got a really nice way of dealing with such situation i.e. sometimes he just looks at the other person with a smiling face (if the other person uses the word molvi casually) but when the other person passes out an impression that hes looking down upon my bro and hence looking down upon beard-sunnah? then my bro really gives the other guy a good piece of his mind and if the other person doesn't know english then english is the perfect weapon to use in such situation :) :) ..... "peace" is what we should seek but an attack on sunnah is not allowed !! n e wayz what about the original topic !! its over i guess so why not we discuss cultural things by starting a new thread :) a brother in islaam PS: i'm not a pathan but i really like them because the religious pathans really know how to do it right mashAllah, thumbs up for them |
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| Aurora |
| 05/05/03 at 12:11:15 |
| Let me put it this way, its like calling the Inuit people, 'Eskimos' or any other north american aboriginal group 'Red indians'. Something which is commonly done to this day - not just in north american but worldwide. Not only is it politically incorrect, but its not something those respective groups appreciate, its not something they identify with themselves, nor want to be identified as. Calling pashtuns 'khan sahab' and bearded men 'maulvee sahab' is something on a different wavelength and doesn't really correlate to the point i'm trying to make. I'm sorry if i'm coming off a little strong here, its just something that frustrates me just a little tiny bit sometimes :) Ages ago when I had time for these things I did a little digging, here's one of the passages I noted down, [i]'Pathan' is a derrogatory word used to describe the Pashtuns. The word 'Pathan' came about in the mid 18th century when the Pashtuns invaded 'India' as they thought it was an army of 'Pratisthana' (meaning Parthisians in Sanskrit) who resembled in appearance as well as dressing with the Pashtuns. The word 'parthian' was then corrupted to 'pathan' by the 'hindus' of India and the British during the next few centuries. Although there are disputes as to the origin of the word Pashtun, there is no doubt that the people have always referred to themselves as Pashtuns and not as the mislabel 'Pathan'.[/i] I also came across many references that equated the term 'pathan' with 'kidnapper'. Which wasn't a very big surprise when you know in the punjab there is a tendency for parents to scare their children with the phrase 'the pathans are going to get you'. I could go on, but I'd rather not. I guess to put it simply, the majority of pashtuns don't identify with the term 'pathan' and see it as something foreign. Its a term that was made popular under the British, and it is widely used in the punjab/sind areas of Pakistan which make many people believe its valid (as well as its use in the western world due to the many references in the literature of that time period) - but it isn't correct. And to be absolutely truthful (I know its impolite - please, please dont mind), when people refer to [i]themselves[/i] as 'pathans', pashtun people have a tendency to snicker and make jokes about them later... I want to ask forgiveness if i've offended anyone, just needed to get some of that out *Sighs* |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 05/05/03 at 15:55:40 |
| [slm] Jazak Allahu Kair Aurora for the information. Its really nice to be informed about these things so we can keep from using words that actually originated in a bad way. and educate other people about this, specially the ones who are unknowingly the victims of it. Thanx. If you dont mind, can you please post the source of the information so I can show my pashtun friends. |
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| Aurora |
| 05/07/03 at 18:15:43 |
| Assalaamu alaykum Silverose, Hmmm, sources, I'm not sure about what there is online, but I can give you a list of some books/authors I recommend, Jens Enevoldsen has written a few books relating to the pashtun culture, its origins, etc. Birendra Varma, English East India Company and the Afghans Akbar S. Ahmed, Pakhtun Economy and Society, as well as, Millennium and charisma among Pathans Neamet Ullah, History of the Afghans Those are a few that I can think of at the moment. I believe (I'm not absolutely certain) that the passage I quoted above is from the foreword of one of Enevoldsen's books. As for online sources, here are a few that [i]might[/i] have some literature dealing with this issue but I can't really say for sure, www.khyber.org , www.hewad.com , www.pashto.org , www.sabawoon.com , www.afghanan.net . I hope that will be of some help to you :-) |
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| Aurora |
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