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| Maliha |
| 04/21/03 at 08:46:51 |
| [slm] This weekend I was delighted that my long lost cousin called me specifically to send me some "Islamic" books, and discuss some Islamic concepts with me. I was excited! Alhamdullillah. Not long had we started talking did I realize that he was spewing some really dangerous rhetoric. I have heard all this before, from nameless, faceless people on the web. I never thought it would be coming from someone I knew! It's the whole concept of ignoring the Hadith/Sunnah because its been "contaminated" and really the Quran is the only way to go. I tried to discuss with him common sensically the danger in that, and the very intricate manner the Rasul [saw] is intertwined with the deen itself. So his life, sayings, actions, etc are the very basis of the path that we have to stick on until the day of Judgement. What I need from you is *not* a discussion on how good/bad this "creed"? is, but simply sources that I could look up and refute this type of thinking. He also promised to send me 2 books to read. I am a bit scared to read them, because I don't know if I am in a position to be able to refute these things (although it seems simply stupid, I am afraid the same way he got swayed I may be too :( ) Please help me :( Sis, Maliha [color=Red][Mystic Note: This is not a discussion, simply a request for resources to those who have researched or dealt with this issue.][/color] [wlm] |
| 04/21/03 at 08:47:33 |
| Maliha |
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| UmmWafi |
| 04/21/03 at 09:28:03 |
| [wlm] Habibiy When I took a course on 'Ulum al-Hadeeth, we discussed the anti-hadith movement and my lecturer gave us some resources that dealt with this movement. My brains are fried right now but I will try to ask him for the resources soonest I can, Insha'Allah. In the meantime, how is u doing ? I am in KL now so I have no access to yahoo messenger :( Hope you are feeling much better and please mail me abt the Islamic college thingy :) Love yaz always Sunshine :-) |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/21/03 at 09:54:45 |
| [slm] I know we had discussed this question somewhere on this board, but you know how the search feature is here. :( I've come across these people many times. I remember a few years back a discussion list I was on, a former Jehova Witness kept claiming that we only need the Quran and that he rejected all hadiths. So I asked him, how does he pray, because the details are not in the Quran. That confused him, and he didn't have an answer, so then he asked me, ok, show me proofs for every movement in the prayers. There was a good book online on this at the MSA_USC website: The Prophet's PRayer Described, it showed proof for each movement and what to say during the prayers. That was all the proof he needed, and he became Muslim, alhumdullilah. http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/pillars/prayer/albaani/prayer_1.html Also here's what Sheikh Munajjid said when asked some questions about this matter: Question: assalamu alaykum wa rahmatullah There is a deviant group of people who claim to follow the Quran only, and not the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (SAW). Please provide us with scholarly proof that they are on the wrong path, so we can give them da'wah, Insha Allah. Wassalaam Answer: Praise be to Allaah. Some people have started to claim that the Sunnah is not a source of legislation. They call themselves “al-Qur’aaniyyeen” and say that we have the Qur’aan, so we take as halaal whatever it allows and take as haraam whatever it forbids. The Sunnah, according to their claims, is full of fabricated ahaadeeth falsely attributed to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). They are the successors of other people about whom the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us. Ahmad, Abu Dawood and al-Haakim reported with a saheeh isnaad from al-Miqdaam that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Soon there will be a time when a man will be reclining on his couch, narrating a hadeeth from me, and he will say, ‘Between us and you is the Book of Allaah: what it says is halaal, we take as halaal, and what it says is haraam, we take as haraam.’ But listen! Whatever the Messenger of Allaah forbids is like what Allaah forbids.” (Al-Fath al-Kabeer, 3/438. Al-Tirmidhi reported it with different wording, and said that it is hasan saheeh. Sunan al-Tirmidhi bi Sharh Ibn al-‘Arabi, al-Saawi edn., 10/132). The name al-Qur’aaniyyeen does not befit these people, because the Qur’aan tells us, in almost one hundred aayahs, to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). Obedience to the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is considered in the Qur’aan to be a part of obedience to Allaah, may He be glorified. “He who obeys the Messenger, has indeed obeyed Allaah, but he who turns away, then we have not sent you (O Muhammad) as a watcher over them.” [al-Nisa’ 4:80 – interpretation of the meaning]. The Qur’aan, which they claim to follow, denies the faith of the one who refuses to obey the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and does not accept his ruling: “But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you (O Muhammad) judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisa’ 4:65 – interpretation of the meaning] Their suggestion that the Sunnah is “contaminated” with fabricated ahaadeeth is not valid, because the scholars of this ummah took the utmost care to purify the Sunnah from all alien elements. If they had any doubts about the truthfulness of any narrator, or there was the slightest possibility that he could have forgotten something, this would be sufficient grounds for rejecting a hadeeth. Even the enemies of this ummah have stated that no other nation has paid so much attention to examining its reports and their narrators, especially in the case of reports narrated from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). For it to be obligatory to follow a hadeeth, it is sufficient for it to be known that it is a saheeh (authentic, sound) hadeeth narrated from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was content to convey his message by sending just one of his Companions, which proves that the hadeeth reported by one trustworthy person must be followed. Moreover, we would ask these people: where are the aayaat which tell us how to pray, or which tell us that the obligatory prayers are five times daily, or which tell us about the nisaab on various kinds of wealth for the purpose of zakaah, or about the details of the rituals of Hajj, and other rulings which we can only know from the Sunnah? Al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 1/44 ;====================================== And he also said: Proof of the importance of the Sunnah (1) The Qur’aan speaks of the importance of the Sunnah, for example: (a) Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “He who obeys the Messenger has indeed obeyed Allaah . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:80] Allaah described obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him) as being a part of obedience to Him. Then He made a connection between obedience to Him and obedience to the Prophet (peace be upon him): “O you who believe! Obey Allaah and obey the Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59] (b) Allaah warns us not to go against the Prophet (peace be upon him), and states that whoever disobeys him will be doomed to eternal Hell. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “. . . And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment beware, lest some fitnah (trial, affliction, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Nur 24:63] (c) Allaah has made obedience to His Prophet a religious duty; resisting or opposing it is a sign of hypocrisy: “”But no, by your Lord, they can have no Faith, until they make you [Muhammad] judge in all disputes between them, and find in themselves no resistance against your decisions, and accept (them) with full submission.” [al-Nisaa’ 4:65] (d) Allaah commands His slaves to respond to Him and His Messenger: “O you who believe! Answer Allaah (by obeying Him) and (His) Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life . . .” [al-Anfaal 8:24] (e) Allaah also commands His slaves to refer all disputes to him: “. . . (And) if you differ in anything amongst yourselves, refer it to Allaah and His Messenger . . .” [al-Nisaa’ 4:59] (2) The Sunnah itself indicates the importance of the Sunnah. For example: (a) Al-Tirmidhi reported from Abu Raafi’ and others that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “I do not want to see any one of you reclining on his couch and, when he hears of my instructions or prohibitions, saying ‘I don’t accept it; we didn’t find any such thing in the Book of Allaah.’” Abu ‘Eesaa said: This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. (See Sunan al-Tirmidhi, Shaakir edition, no. 2663). Al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may Allaah be pleased with him, reported that the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Would any of you think, reclining on his couch, that Allaah would only describe what is forbidden in the Qur’aan? I tell you, by Allaah, that I have warned and commanded and prohibited things that are as important as what is in the Qur’aan, if not more so.” (Reported by Abu Dawud, Kitaab al-Khiraj wa’l-imaarah wa’l-fay’). (b) Abu Dawud also reported from al-’Irbaad ibn Saariyah, may Allaah be pleased with him, that “the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) led us in prayer one day, then he turned to us and exhorted us strongly . . . (he said), ‘Pay attention to my sunnah (way) and the way of the Rightly-guided Khaleefahs after me, adhere to it and hold fast to it.’” (Saheeh Abi Dawud, Kitaab al-Sunnah). (3) The scholars’ consensus (ijmaa’) affirming the importance of the Sunnah. Al-Shaafi’i, may Allaah have mercy on him, said: “I do not know of anyone among the Sahaabah and Taabi’een who narrated a report from the Messenger of Allaah (peace be upon him) without accepting it, adhering to it and affirming that this was sunnah. Those who came after the Taabi’een, and those whom we met did likewise: they all accepted the reports and took them to be sunnah, praising those who followed them and criticizing those who went against them. Whoever deviated from this path would be regarded by us as having deviated from the way of the Companions of the Prophet (peace be upon him) and the scholars who followed them, and would be considered as one of the ignorant. (4) Common sense indicates the importance of the Sunnah. The fact that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is the Messenger of Allaah indicates that we must believe everything he said and obey every command he gave. It goes without saying that he has told us things and given instructions in addition to what is in the Qur’aan. It is futile to make a distinction between the Sunnah and the Qur’aan when it comes to adhering to it and responding to it. It is obligatory to believe in what he has told us, and to obey his instructions. The ruling concerning those who deny the importance of the Sunnah is that they are kaafirs, because they deny and reject a well-known and undeniable part of the religion. ;================================================= There's quite a bit of stuff out there on this topic. Jamal Zarabozo has a book called the importance of the Sunnah that I read, and there's a couple of more articles out there on the net as well as books. |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 04/21/03 at 15:03:52 |
| [slm] The following web sites have two lectures by Yasir Qadhi on the "Legal Status of Sunnah" that might be useful for you: http://www.audioislam.com/category.asp?CAT=Sciences%20of%20Fiqh There are also many books and articles on this topic out there, written by many different authors. Here is one: [url=http://www.al-basheer.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?item=1673&type=store]The Authority and Importance of the Sunnah[/url], by Jamal al-Din Zarabozo |
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| BroHanif |
| 04/21/03 at 18:00:56 |
| Salaams, In line with what my bro bhaloo has said, if you ask him about the subject of prayers and how he prays. Then Shaikh Riyadul Haq has produced an excellant book that shows every action according to quran and sunnah. Its called the 'The Salah of a believer in the Quran and Sunnah'. I think you can get in the States as well, if not then anyone who wants a copy can ask me. It'll cost around $10-8 if anyone is interested. Salaams Hanif |
| NS |
| 04/21/03 at 18:09:07 |
| BroHanif |
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| momineqbal |
| 04/22/03 at 01:43:42 |
| [slm], I think Imam Maududi also wrote on this, anyone knows the name of the book and where we could get it? |
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| tq |
| 04/22/03 at 07:57:41 |
| Assalamo elikuim Recently two of our close friends have also moved in this direction. Thanks for these links. O yes I asked them about prayers and they said that Prophet Ibrahim also used to pray like this and that it is from him . But my question to them was that how can they say that hadiths are not recorded correctly (therefore dont follow them) but what Prophet Ibrahim taught has been. Wasalam tq PS: sorry Jannah if this is not allowed - please delete it then. |
| 04/22/03 at 07:58:30 |
| tq |
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| sista |
| 04/22/03 at 08:36:38 |
| [slm] [quote]He also promised to send me 2 books to read. I am a bit scared to read them, because I don't know if I am in a position to be able to refute these things (although it seems simply stupid, I am afraid the same way he got swayed I may be too) [/quote] This is actually a valid concern. Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (rahimahullah)'s "Foundations of the Sunnah" provides a neat compilation of the sayings of the scholars on this issue...if I remember correctly one of them refused even to recite Quran with known rhetoriticians... The only thing I can quote to you right now is Shaikh Saalih Al-Fawzaan... "...a person who is a beginner (in knowledge), a student of knowledge, a common person or someone who is only reading to review (the books) and not to refute them or expose their condition, then it is not permissible for such a person to read them. This is since they will affect his heart and cause doubts for him, and as a result, he will be afflicted by their evil." [Al-Ajwibah Al-Mufeedah: pg. 78-79] We already have our work cut out trying to learn what [i]is[/i] Islam I guess...doubtfuls maybe to be left till we're better equipped...? [quote]sorry Jannah if this is not allowed - please delete it then.[/quote] Ditto ;D [wlm] |
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| UmmWafi |
| 04/24/03 at 05:49:39 |
| [slm] Rainbow Sorry for being late in this reply, just had one final paper just now :( Anyways, check out books by M M A'azami. He is a brilliant scholar of hadith and he wrote on this subject. Also try to look up Siddiquie's book on hadith. Cant give u all the titles now cos in a hurry, at internet cafe. Lotsa hugs and luv Sunshine |
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| Rameeza |
| 04/24/03 at 10:21:14 |
| [slm] Hey Brother Bhaloo!!! Jazaka Allahu khair!! Your info is so good and I've been meaning to thank you on an earlier occation but did not get around to it. May Allah give you more and more knowledge and guide you always so that you can keep giving us the information we need. Ameen! I've had the same problem as this sister so its really helped me to read this set of posts. Jazaka Alla again! Salaams r |
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| bhaloo |
| 04/25/03 at 01:08:04 |
| [slm] Wa iyyakum. I'm glad someone could benefit by the information. :) |
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