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| Too Much Talk |
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| theOriginal |
| 05/03/03 at 09:31:50 |
| [slm] Okay....this is going to sound like a really strange problem... Does anyone sometimes feel they talk too much? Does it have to do with your NEED to constantly entertain yourself as well as your company? Is it basically a compelling need to keep people engaged and interested in what you are saying? If you get started, does it become really hard to stop, because you get caught up in you own stories? I can talk about ANYTHING endlessly. I once held a 1/2 hour conversation with my ex-boss about Penguins (specifically penguins' knees). (Actually, he ended up buying himself a penguin fact book to reinforce what we had talked about.) I am the endless well of entirely trivial and extremely useless information. Most people who know me well, realize that this is just a habit, and most of them know how and when to stop me... However, I find I reveal too much about myself. Everyone knows everything about me, and if they don't, they find out very very quickly. I have a very difficult time keeping my business secret. (Usually happens when I receive no response from the other party, who I am trying to entertain, and so I have to start talking about myself. ) It's obviously really bad, since it gets me into a lot of trouble. I mean people do the worst things and no one knows (it's the way it should be.)...Sometimes it feels like someone else is talking and I'm listening. Meanwhile half of me is saying "Sheesh. Shut up." I have seriously tried everything. I have even tried holding my tongue between my teeth (I think Hadhrat Usman, ra used to do that..).... The funny thing is...I don't find silence to be uncomfortable...but it's come to a point where if things are quiet, people expect me to smile brightly and say "Guys guess what!!!" (Stories usually begin that way.) Anyway...there was no question related to that, really...but perhaps you guys could comment. Wasalaam. |
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| A_Stranger |
| 05/03/03 at 13:45:12 |
| [center][color=Blue][size=4]Bad Consequences of the Tongue[/center][/color][/size] The Prophet [saw] said, "... I looked at Hell and saw that the majority of its inhabitants were women." (Al-Bukhari) The Messenger of Allah (SAW) observed: 'O women, you should give charity and ask for much forgiveness for I saw you in bulk amongst the dwellers of Hell. A wise lady among them said: Why is it, Messenger of Allah (SAW) , that our folk is in bulk in Hell? Upon this the Holy Prophet (SAW) observed: You curse too much and are ungrateful to your spouses. I have seen none lacking in common sense and failing in religion but (at the same time) robbing the wisdom of the wise, besides you. Upon this the woman remarked: What is wrong with our common sense and with religion? He (the Holy prophet) observed: Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense, and you spend some nights (and days) in which you do not offer prayer and in the month of Ramadan (during the days) you do not observe fast, that is a failing in religion. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of AbuTahir with this chain of transmitters. (Muslim) The Prophet (SAW) said, "... I saw the (Hell) Fire, and I have never before, seen such a horrible sight as that, and I saw that the majority of its dwellers were women." The people asked, "O Allah's Apostle (SAW)! What is the reason for that?" He replied, "Because of their ungratefulness." It was said. "Do they disbelieve in Allah (are they ungrateful to Allah)?" He replied, "They are not thankful to their husbands and are ungrateful for the favors done to them. Even if you do good to one of them all your life, when she seems some harshness from you, she will say, "I have never seen any good from you.'" (Al-Bukhari) [center][color=Blue]The Tongue and the Heart[/center][/color] The tongue expresses what is in the heart. If a persons heart is good you see it in their saying. If the tongue is used correctly then it has its blessing but if used incorrectly it has its dangers. Allah (SWT) has given us this tool (the tongue) to communicate and it is a blessing form Allah (SWT) which must be used correctly. The gratitude we should show for this great blessing should include, using it for the obedience to Allah (SWT), for reading the Quran (and good Islamic materials), for speaking good, such as, enjoining good and forbidding the evil and in teaching the ignorant, in Dhikr, in worship, in sincere advice to our brothers and sisters and in many other things which enable us to get closer to Allah (SWT). It is true that ONE saying may enter a person into the fire and one saying may save a person from the fire and enter one into paradise. The prohibitions of the tongue are that you do not lie, abuse, use foul language, backbite, and do not slander. The tongue is protected by the teeth and then the lips which should act as a prison when indulging in loose talk. Allah (SWT) says in the Quran: [center]Successful indeed are the believers. Those who offer their prayers with all solemnity and full submissiveness. And those who turn away from Al-Laghw (dirty, false, evil vain talk, falsehood, and all that Allah has forbidden)." (Al-Mu’minun 23:1-3)[/center] Here Allah (SWT) mentions the words "turn away from" not "leave" which shows that, refraining from vain talk is a characteristic of the believers. [center][color=Blue]Allah (SWT) is Ever Watchful[/color][/center] "Verily your Lord is ever watchful (over them)." (Al-Fajr 89:14) Ibn ‘Abbaas (RA) said that "…ever watchful" means that Allah (SWT) hears and sees. Yet, brothers and sisters speak about other Muslims without seeing everything concerning them and without even weighting the severity of that which you say. But Allah (SWT) knows every letter we uttered. On the authority of Abu Hurairah (RA). The Messenger Muhammad (SAW) said: "Whoever believes in Allah and the last day should speak good or keep silent." (Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim) Imam ash-Shaafi’ee (rahimahullah) said, [i]"If you wish to speak then it is upon you to think before you speak. If you think there is good in it then you should speak and if not then do not speak."[/i] One searching for salvation against vain talk should ask themselves: [color=Green]Will this saying of mine please Allah (SWT)? Will this saying of mine bring me closer to Allah (SWT)? Does this saying earn with it obedience to Allah (SWT)?[/color] If so then speak otherwise on should keep silent. Sahl ibn Sa’ad (RA) reported that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said: "Whomever guards what is between his jaws and legs, I will guarantee him paradise."(Sahih Al-Bukhari and Muslim) This is one of the open paths to paradise. It is calling the people to come to paradise with the guarding of their tongues. On the authority of Abu Hurairah (RA) that he heard the Messenger (SAW) say: "Indeed a servant may say a word which he doesn’t realize and it will make him fall into the fire further than the East and the West." (Sahih Al-Bukhari (without "further than the East and the West) and Muslim) [center][color=Blue]Guarding Your Tongue From All Haram[/center][/color] Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (RA) that the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "The son of Adam wakes up and the whole body makes takfeer (i.e. warns of error) upon his tongue saying, ‘Fear Allah (SWT) concerning us for indeed we are upon you so if you are upright then we will be upright and if you are corrupt then we will be corrupt.’" (Sahih Sunan at-Tirmidhee) On the authority of Mu’adh ibn Jabal, "I said to Allah’s Messenger (SAW): Inform me about an act which would entitle me to enter Paradise, and remove me from Hell-Fire. He (SAW) said: You have asked me about a matter (which ostensibly appears to be) difficult but it is easy to those for whom Allah (SW) has made it easy. Worship Allah (SWT) and do not associate anything with him, establish prayer, pay Zakat, observe the fast of Ramadan and perform Hajj to the (sacred) House (Ka’bah). He again said: Should I not direct you to the gateways of good? Listen to me: The fasting is a shield against evil, the charity extinguishes (the fire of sin) just as water extinguishes fire, the prayer of a person during the middle of the night. Then he recited: ‘Who forsake their beds… (up to) … they used to do.’ Then he said: Should I not direct you to the highest level of this matter, to the pillar on which (it rests) and its top? I said: Allah’s Messenger (SAW) yes, (do tell me). He said: The uppermost level of the matter is al-Islam. Its pillar is the prayer and its top is Jihad. He then said: Should I not inform you of the sheet anchor of all this? I said: Allah’s Apostle (SAW) (of course do it). He took hold of his tongue and said: Exercise restraint on it. I said: Apostle of Allah (SAW), would we be held responsible for what we say with it? Thereupon he said: Mu’adh, may your mother be bereaved. Will anything else besides (irresponsible) talk cause the people to be thrown into the Hell-Fire upon their faces or on their nostrils? (Hasan Sahih Tirmidhee) [color=Blue][center]Most of the People Who Will Enter the Fire Will Do So Due to Their Tongues[/center][/color] So the servant must beware! We could invalidate all our fasting and prayer from just one gathering. There is no success of us unless we learn how to imprison our tongues from vain talk. Allah (SWT) has placed this tongue of ours in a prison, that it does not come out except when there is a need for it. Umm Habiba (RA) reports that the Prophet (SAW) said: "Every saying of the children of Adam is cursed except for enjoining good and forbidding the evil or for the remembrance of Allah." (Hasan Gharib Tirmidhee) Yet you will find ninety percent of the time our tongues are not engaged in this. Rather we choose to continue with our vain talk, joking, laughing, backbiting and slandering. Imam Ahmad (rahimahullah) on the authority of Salamn ibn Suhaim on the authority of his mother who heard the Prophet (SAW) say: "A man may be close to paradise such that the distance between him and it is one derah (arm length) and he speaks a word and he becomes distant from it further than San’aa." [color=Blue][center]Using of the Speech of People Against Each Other, Wishing Thereof Corruption[/color][/center] What is the ruling of backbiting and tale carrying from the Quran and the Sunnah and the consensus of the ummah? As regards to the Quran then it is from the saying of Allah (SWT): [center]"O you who believe! Avoid much suspicions, indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful." (Al-Hujurat 49:12)[/center] As regards to tale carrying then Allah (SWT) says, "Woe to every slanderer and backbiter." (Al-Humazah 104:1) As regards to the Sunnah then it is form the authentic saying of the Prophet (SAW) saying, "The gossip-mongerer will not enter paradise."(Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Dawood, Ahmad and Daraqutnee) Also there have come upon us many Hadith warning us of backbiting. The situation of the tongue is very dangerous and no one truly submits except a few people. Except a few from the few people who are sincere. It is also very unfortunate that another this topic is not mentioned except a few times. In a gathering when one is backbiting another saying this and that, no one hardly speaks out to say, [color=Red][i]"O sister fear Allah (SWT), this is backbiting from the major sins."[/color][/i] Narrated Hudhaifa (RA): I heard the Prophet (SAW) saying, "A Qattat (a person who conveys disagreeable, false information from one person to another with the intention of causing harm and enmity between them) will not enter Paradise." (Sahih Al-Bukhari) Narrated ibn ‘Abbas (RA): Allah’s Messenger (SAW) passed by two graves and said, "Both of them (persons in the grave) are being tortured, and they are not being tortured for a major sin. This one used not to save himself from being soiled with his urine, and the other used to go about with calumnies (among the people to rouse hostilities, e.g., one goes to a person and tells him that so-an-so says about him such-and-such evil thing)." The Prophet (SAW) then asked for a greed branch of a date-palm tree, split it into two pieces and planted one on each grave and said, "It is hoped that their punishment may be abated till those two pieces of the branch get dried." (Sahih Al-Bukhari) [color=Blue][center]Some Essential Points[/color][/center] So he who finds himself in these gatherings and hears this backbiting and does not speak out against the backbiter nor does he advise him nor does he change the evil then he is as if he is agreeing to it, level by level. So it is obligatory upon a Muslim that if you are present in these gatherings and a person has been mentioned then you should speak out for the honor of your sister and struggle for her and make the speaker be quiet by telling her, [color=Red][i]"Fear Allah !!! Don’t backbite this Muslim."[/color][/i] If you have difficulty then you should go to her and advise her. If she refuses then you should leave her and get up. It is not allowed for you to stay in this gathering where the faults of the people are magnified. If you still find this difficult then you should occupy yourself with the remembrance of Allah (SWT) by glorifying Allah (SWT) such that you do not hear this bad speech. Such that it does not harm you. [color=Blue][center]Overcoming the Evil Habit of Backbiting[/color][/center] How can one overcome this? How can one guard their tongue from backbiting? This is important that one guards oneself from this. First as Imam an-Nawawee said that you should remember the punishment of Allah (SWT). You should remember Allah (SWT) is the Lord of the heavens and the earth. He is the Finder the Superior Force, aware of every saying at every time. He sees and hears every saying at every time. High is Allah (SWT) from imperfection. So if one remembers this then it is natural that they by shy or modest in this aspect. That he speaks a saying which Allah (SWT) is angry with. If any of us become shy towards saying a bad thing towards the creation then how is it for the creator who hears and sees. Allah (SWT) says, "Not a word does he (or she) utter, but there is a watcher by him ready (to record it)." (Qaf 50:18) Allah (SWT) says, "O you who believe! Avoid much suspicions, indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another. Would one of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would hate it (so hate backbiting). And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is the One Who accepts repentance, Most Merciful." (Al-Hujurat 49:12) Who would like to eat the flesh of anybody? Imagine your sister dies and you cut a piece of flesh and you eat it. So if you hate this then keep away from backbiting for it is the same or worse. ‘Ubayda, the freed slave of the Prophet (SAW) reported that someone came and showed the Prophet (SAW) two women who were fasting and said that they were dying of thirst. The Prophet (SAW) turned away silently refusing to give permission for them to break their fast. So the man begged him again mentioning that the women were on the verge of death. The Prophet (SAW) then said, "Bring them to me and bring along a bowl." When they cam to him, he turned to one and told her to vomit in the bowl. She complied spitting up a mixture of vomit, blood, pus and pieces of flesh which half-filled the bowl. He then turned to the other woman and had her do the same. After the bowl was filled, he said, "Verily, these tow have fasted from what Allah has made Halal for them and broke fast from what Allah has made Haram. They spent their fast eating the flesh of other." (Ahmad and Baihaqi) Imam Ahmad (rahimahullah) reported with his chain that Jabir ibn Abdullah (RA) said, "We were with the Messenger of Allah (SAW) when we passed by a bad smell. The Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "Do you know what this smell is? This is the smell of those who backbite each other." Umar ibn al-Khattab (RA) said, [i]"Be careful from remembering people for it is an illness and be in the remembrance of Allah (SWT) for it is a medicine."[/i] [color=Blue][center]Exceptions to Backbiting[/color][/center] There are certain occasions when backbiting is allowed. There are six occasions where the scholars have reminded us about. Other than these occasions then it is forbidden. First Exception to Backbiting - [color=Purple]Oppression[/color] For example a man has been oppressed. His property and rights have been taken away. Should he go to the people and say that they done this and that to him? NO!!! This is not allowed. As he will backbite the oppressor. Rather he should go to one who is capable of dealing with him such as the judge, ruler or he who has the ability to stop the oppression and return his right to him. Second Exception to Backbiting - [color=Purple]Changing the Munkar[/color] Help in changing the evil and retune the bad person to righteousness. So if there is evil that one is not able to change then he should go to one to help him with it hence backbite the one who is doing evil. All of these of course with the correct intention seeking the face of Allah (SWT). When changing the evil of the rulers then this should be done by the scholars and not openly as is mentioned by a clear Hadith of the Prophet (SAW), "When you wish to correct the sultan then take him by the hand in secret and advise him." (Aquidah Tahawiyah) Third Exception to Backbiting - [color=Purple]Seeking a Fatawa[/color] For example a man who has a wife (or a father who has a son or a brother who has another brother) who harms him. She goes to a scholar and asks him for a fatawa. "What is your opinion regarding my wife who does not listen and she leaves the house without my permission?" So here you are talking about her doing bad but here it is permissible but first he should be general like. "What is your opinion about a woman who does not obey her husband, what is your opinion on a woman that does this and that?" This should be first. Fourth Exception to Backbiting - [color=Purple]Warning the Muslims From Evil[/color] Ibn Daqiqa said, "Backbiting is a drop from one of the drops of Hell-Fire. On its edge are the judges and rulers." Due to them listening to the problems. For exaiple one is going to do business with another man whom you know is not honest so you say to the one wishing to do business with him. "This is not good for you." Here one must be careful not to let his tongue get carried away. Such that he says, "Oh he is this and that…" NO! Rather he should stop at, "Its not good for you to go into business with him." So you try to keep that person away by saying general statements like that which are allowed. If you see a person going to an innovator and you fear for this person then you can warn him but warn him by wishing the face of Allah (SWT) and for the benefit of this brother or sister. As regards to speaking about this innovator or sinner by bringing down his honor then this is not allowed. This is Haram. There are many people who in the name of advice pull down the honor of the sinners and innovators. Fifth Exception to Backbiting - [color=Purple]Advising Those Away From the Innovators & Sinners[/color] Openly declare the open actions of such and such person to give advice but as regards to his secret actions then it is not allowed to declare them. You backbite that which he openly did. Sixth Exception to Backbiting - [color=Purple]Enquiring[/color] That a person is blind or deaf or limping but this has a sin. Here it is allowed with the good intention knowing who this perinea is. But most not be with the intention of putting the person down. [center][color=Blue]Another Important Point to Earn a Great Reward[/center][/color] Abud Darda (RA) said, "Whoever protects the honor of his brother then Allah (SWT) will protect his face from the fire on the Day of Judgment." The meaning of this is that he who does not refute for the honor of his brother then Allah (SWT) will not keep the fire away from his face. Jabir ibn Abdullah and Abi Ttalha (RA) that he said the Messenger of Allah (SAW) said, "No (Muslim) man will desert a man who is a Muslim in a place where his respect may be violated and his honor aspered without Allah deserting him in a place where he wishes help; and no (Muslims) man who will help a Muslim in a place where his honor may be aspered and his respect violated without Allah helping him in a place where he wishes His help." (Hasan Tirmidhee) "Whoever protects he honor of his bother in his absence, Allah will protect his face from the Fire on the Day of Judgment." (Hasan Tirmidhee) "The believer is a mirror to a believer. The believer is a brother to a believer. Guarding him against loss and protecting him in his absence." (Al-Bukhari and Abu Dawood) [sub]Information from Sheikh Ahmad Zamzami’s Advice On The Bad Consequences of the Tongue Translated by Abdulilah Ibn Rabah Lahmami as-Salafi[/sub] |
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| Maliha |
| 05/03/03 at 14:44:02 |
| [slm] hey theoriginal do you know that song "strumming my pain with his finger, singing my life with his song...." :) that was in my head while i was reading your post:p I have a bad habit of talking too much, and worse yet I am preachy! My sis and I read this post, and I was like "OMG that's sooo me!" she said "nope, you don't say useless things, maybe if you did you'd be interesting" OUCH! anywayz, i do talk a lot...and alwayz have ::) so now i just channel my conversations towards things i read or philosophies, ideas..see you can't go wrong with that:p except bore people that is. Oh well... know that you aint alone sis. chatterbox, Maliha :-) [wlm] |
| 05/06/03 at 08:09:14 |
| Maliha |
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| Ameeraana |
| 05/03/03 at 14:46:30 |
| [slm] Now... I'm not going to jump to conclusions this time like I often do whenever I read stuff like this... I just have questions... Ok, do we women really have worse common sense than men? and when it was said that and I'll quote from above..."Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense, and you spend some nights (and days) in which you do not offer prayer and in the month of Ramadan (during the days) you do not observe fast, that is a failing in religion" about us women not praying like it is said...is this when we do not pray due to menstruation? Or is it implying that more women tend to fail to do their required prayers and fasting? Cuz I sure remember at work how some of the Muslim men were amazed that I was fasting yet they weren't!! I am not going to judge this statement right now, but would rather have an explanation of it... if a non-believer were to try to used this hadith with me to prove a point of the degradation of women, I sure would like to know how to reply to it... Ameera |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 05/03/03 at 18:46:48 |
| [slm] [quote]"Whoever protects the honor of his brother then Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala) will protect his face from the fire on the Day of Judgment." [/quote] [quote]"When you wish to correct the sultan then take him by the hand in secret and advise him." (Aquidah Tahawiyah) [/quote] I have noticed that we tend to publicly scorn the person's advice we do not like/agree with when really Islamically we should private message them and tell them in a kind manner. Alhumdulilah we have the private message here to use so lets take advantage of it and not publicize our brother's faults. Jazak Allahu Kair Stranger for the article your sister |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 05/03/03 at 18:57:05 |
| [wlm] [quote] Now... I'm not going to jump to conclusions this time like I often do whenever I read stuff like this... I just have questions... Ok, do we women really have worse common sense than men? and when it was said that and I'll quote from above..."Your lack of common sense (can be well judged from the fact) that the evidence of two women is equal to that of one man, that is a proof of the lack of common sense, and you spend some nights (and days) in which you do not offer prayer and in the month of Ramadan (during the days) you do not observe fast, that is a failing in religion" about us women not praying like it is said...is this when we do not pray due to menstruation? Or is it implying that more women tend to fail to do their required prayers and fasting? Cuz I sure remember at work how some of the Muslim men were amazed that I was fasting yet they weren't!! I am not going to judge this statement right now, but would rather have an explanation of it... if a non-believer were to try to used this hadith with me to prove a point of the degradation of women, I sure would like to know how to reply to it... Ameera [/quote] yah i was also thrown off by that hadith (and the translation I read was even worse). That hadith said it was 'lack of intelligence and lack of religion because we menstruation.Alot of people try to justify this by some way but This really knowledgable lady told me that actually the translation is not right because in Arabic thats not what it means. |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/03/03 at 20:32:14 |
| [slm] [quote author=Ameera link=board=madrasa;num=1051965110;start=0#3 date=05/03/03 at 14:46:30] [slm] Now... I'm not going to jump to conclusions this time like I often do whenever I read stuff like this... I just have questions... Ok, do we women really have worse common sense than men? [/quote] All these sister type questions are answered really well here: http://www.jannah.org/sisters (Although its a little difficult navigating, what's the deal with the clock at the top with 6 numbers ???) Check out Jamal Badawi's book on Gender Equity in Islam, especially chapter 4 here, it addresses the "common sense issue": http://www.jannah.org/genderequity/equitychap4.html [quote] about us women not praying like it is said...is this when we do not pray due to menstruation? [/quote] yes, that's what it was referring to. |
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| Ameeraana |
| 05/04/03 at 01:51:11 |
| [slm] Ouch... that hurts to think we are thought of as failing in religion when we are obeying Allah by not praying and fasting during menses. Hopefully, it is just a bad translation because if I could, I would pray and fast during these times!! As for the other stuff said in the hadith I am pretty much ok with. I know there are many women who are like what the hadith says. And I know it is not meant for every woman. I certainly hope I am greatful to my husband and that I obey him when I get married. Ameera |
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| Nomi |
| 05/04/03 at 03:34:03 |
| [quote] Will this saying of mine please Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala)? Will this saying of mine bring me closer to Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala)? Does this saying earn with it obedience to Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala)? If so then speak otherwise on should keep silent. [/quote] This i think is the bottom line . The topic seems to be changing but as far as i know, the ruling of islaam on talking to members of opposite gender is that The discussion should be business like , no useless fun talk and discussing things that can bring no good!! [quote] I can talk about ANYTHING endlessly. I once held a 1/2 hour conversation with my ex-boss about Penguins (specifically penguins' knees). (Actually, he ended up buying himself a penguin fact book to reinforce what we had talked about.) [/quote] yes, we should try to bring happiness to sad faces but having said that we should also abide by the islamic rulings which i quoted above, "How good is the discussion on penguins (or any other "not" business like discussion) when the person i'm talking to is from opposite gender!!" I'm a chatterbox too but only when i'm among mehrams or friends from same gender, i've become a SHY GUY :) while among ladies that doesn't mean i've become a "dodo" its just that i try keeping the dicussion business like. Some may say that its not a good idea not to have friendly/fun chat in a decent manner with members of opposite gender that walk in our circle coz they may feel bad about it!! well what should i be doing then Should i make them (non-mehrams) happy? or i should care more about the order of my Creator ? and about that part of Prophet Mohammad [saw] stating that He saw more women in hell than men, well that was more than 1400 years ago, right? The number of men in the hellfire may well be many folds than the women till now .. =====> may be, just may be!!!! <====== to tell you the truth i would never mind it if there is any hadith that puts men under women in ANY circle of life coz there are areas where men are ahead of women and there are others where women take the lead so OVERALL we get even out, we are equal yes but obviously we are not similar, if you understand what i mean... "razee ba razaa" thats what is required from us, it means "be content with whatever Allah has chosen for you" either for you as a person or for you as in your gender :) [slm] Asim Zafar |
| 05/04/03 at 03:53:47 |
| Nomi |
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| theOriginal |
| 05/05/03 at 04:11:33 |
| [slm] woooh boy. time for clarification... A stranger, thank you for your article...really it was helpful. Needless to say, I don't think there was a reason to attack all of womanhood on my account, but anyway, thanks again. The discussion on penguins was not there to make my boss happy. Oh man, actually that's pretty funny. And it started off as a professional discussion, beginning with the meeting we had with this British rocket scientist. But anyway, I suppose I don't have to get into details. As for nomi's explanation of the Hadith...is that right? Didn't the Prophet (saw) see like the whole population of hell-goers. (regardless of time period?) Strumming my pain with his fingers, singing my life with his song.... Wasalaam. |
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| Nomi |
| 05/05/03 at 07:48:18 |
| [quote] Needless to say, I don't think there was a reason to attack all of womanhood on my account, but anyway, thanks again. [/quote] i do not think that he was attacking ladies !! and now plzzz dont made it a brothers vs sisters scenario :) it would have been acceptable and just fine with (atleast) me as a male if there were more men in hellfire than the ladies and many bros will agree with me in this, so better not take this topic where it is going, its just a request :) Asim Zafar. |
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| se7en |
| 05/09/03 at 15:23:27 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah, Here's a discussion on that hadeeth from the old board: http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.pl/YaBB.pl?board=sisters&action=display&num=1366 wasalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah :-) |
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