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| Beef/Pork found in Halal Chicken. |
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| ascetic |
| 05/22/03 at 14:41:46 |
| Now this is REAL scary: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/panorama/3047159.stm "Tests carried out for the programme reveal that beef or pork DNA has been found in chicken, including products which are being sold as Halal meat. " I guess the only guaranteed halal meat is one you slaughter on your own :( |
| 05/22/03 at 14:46:08 |
| ascetic |
| Re: Beef/Pork found in Halal Chicken. |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/23/03 at 01:31:11 |
| [slm] Is this problem only limited to Europe? Or are there problems in North America as well? ??? |
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| BroHanif |
| 05/23/03 at 03:47:10 |
| Salaams, Where do yo get your chicken fillets from, if its denmark then don't eat it. I'm serious. To conincide with the Guardian they also did a peice on this and one of the slaughterhouses that contimates chicken had the name of 'Hassan', I'm tranna find out whether this guy is Muslim or not. How sad. Salaams Hanif |
| NS |
| Re: Beef/Pork found in Halal Chicken. |
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| Leslie |
| 05/24/03 at 02:59:56 |
| [quote author=bhaloo link=board=ummah;num=1053625306;start=0#1 date=05/23/03 at 01:31:11][slm] Is this problem only limited to Europe? Or are there problems in North America as well? ???[/quote] Assalamu alaikum, I'm not sure about the farming practices for halal meat, or where halal slaughterhouses buy their meat from here, but livestock can be fed rendered pork and other animal products here in Canada. (see [url]http://www.canada.com/health/madcowdisease/story.html?id=A5570120-A492-42F4-AFBB-606C50B6AAC9[/url] The TV segment that goes with this article actually shows that there are pork products in cattle feed). If the halal slaughterhouses do not buy organic meat, it could certainly be possible that some of the meat may contain traces of pork and other animal by-products. Even if the halal meat is ok, though, has anyone thought about the milk, eggs and other animal products that we all buy from the supermarket every week? Do the animals that are not destined for immediate slaughter also eat the animal by-product feed? If so, are the eggs, milk, and yogurt really halal? ??? If not, should we really be buying that mayonaise or those cookies? Unfortunately, I don't know the answers to these questions, and don't know who is qualified to answer them at this time, but after seeing on TV tonight that cows and chickens in Canada can be fed pork :P, I think I'll buy organic eggs and milk from now on. wassalam |
| 05/24/03 at 03:14:21 |
| Leslie |
| Re: Beef/Pork found in Halal Chicken. |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/24/03 at 08:32:18 |
| [slm] This is terrible. This is how this mad cow disease started, when they started feeding animal products to cows and sheep. |
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| siddiqui |
| 05/24/03 at 12:34:07 |
| [slm] [quote]This is how this mad cow disease started, when they started feeding animal products to cows and sheep. Logged [/quote] Talikng about ,ad cow disease and the human variant CJD I have written a 15 page paper on it as a class aasignment and I think I have a power point slide prezen too if any one is intrested I can email it to them [wlm] |
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| Ameeraana |
| 05/24/03 at 22:19:12 |
| [slm] Speaking of eggs... I have only been eating organic chicken eggs. The first reason was because the what you would call "regular" chicken eggs are from an industry that is horribly cruel to the chickens. They are stuffed into cages barely able to mover around. They are in a cage where the eggs they lay are not reachable by the chickens. Many try desperately to get their heads out the bottom of the cages to "rescue" their babies and end up getting stuck for days and eventually die from this as the workers do nothing to help them. If you don't believe me go to www.peta.org and take a look at the video footage of animal cruelty they have. It is horrendous. And then one day I looked at my organic egg carton and noticed it said "vegetarian fed"--well, I though chickens were vegetarians!! So I researched that and found out they were being fed ground meat products mixed with their food!!! That is just disgusting. It is worth the extra price to buy the organic eggs knowing that these chickens are not stuffed in cages and are fed what they are supposed to be eating!! Ameera |
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| Yasmeena |
| 05/26/03 at 02:00:02 |
| [quote author=siddiqui link=board=ummah;num=1053625306;start=0#5 date=05/24/03 at 12:34:07] [slm] Talikng about ,ad cow disease and the human variant CJD I have written a 15 page paper on it as a class aasignment and I think I have a power point slide prezen too if any one is intrested I can email it to them [wlm] [/quote] Please send me an e-mail! I am interested in reading it. |
| organic vs. halal |
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| Maliha |
| 05/26/03 at 15:02:47 |
| [slm] i know a sister that would rather buy Organic meat, than Halal for all the reasons listed above (especially the cruelty and food being given to them). Now the question I had becuz of health reasons and lack of Organic halal, is it okay to buy organic meat instead? Not a fatwa session just simply someone who may have researched and know this off hand. Jazakumu ALlahu Khayran, sis, Maliha :-) [wlm] |
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| Ameeraana |
| 05/26/03 at 22:20:02 |
Now, Halal meat means that the animals are not treated cruely. I cannot remember if it is in the Qur'an or a hadith but it is stated in one of these that crueily to animals is haraam even if the slaughter is halal. I certainly hope the halal labelled meat I buy from the Islamic store is what it says it is. and all the halal meat I buy also is labelled that the animals are vegetarian fed. Ameera |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 05/26/03 at 22:31:09 |
| [slm] ONe of the girls I used to work with became a vegetarian after she studied how gross and cruel they were to the animals. You know the saying 'what you eat is what you are' Well its same for animals, I mean what they are fed is what they are, which means means that is what we are... hmm hope that made sense :) She was also telling me that third world countries are poor because we (US) steal their food to feed our animals....? Anyhow I thought this was a  good Islamic site on halal and vegeterianism: http://www.islamicconcern.com/ Here is some information from it: [quote]All the meat produced and exported from India is advertised and sold as “halal.” However, when representatives from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), along with a documentary crew, observed the loading and unloading, transport, and slaughter of cows and buffaloes used for meat in India, they found that most meat produced under current standards is not halal, but is instead “haram,” and therefore should be avoided by all conscientious Muslims. The report below describes the findings of the delegation and offers simple suggestions that may be implemented to alleviate the unnecessary suffering of cattle killed for food. Click on the image above to watch video of the transport and slaughter of Indian Cattle (RealPlayer required) The delegation witnessed egregious animal abuse, shocking not only in and of itself, but also in light of the many strict Indian anti-cruelty laws and the Indian constitution’s admonition for citizens to show concern for animals. For Muslims, these findings will be disturbing because Islamic teachings of kindness to animals and proper adherence to halal methods are being blatantly ignored The enormous suffering of Indian cattle during transport and slaughter can be greatly reduced with little effort. It is hoped that, once informed, consumers will demand that exporters, transporters, and slaughterhouses ensure that the animals involved receive proper care throughout all phases of meat production. The steps to implement vital changes are simple and inexpensive. PETA calls on government officials in India and in the importing countries, as well as those in the slaughterhouse and transportation industries, to see that these steps are immediately taken and that oversight provisions be instituted to ensure strict adherence to them.[/quote] |
| 05/27/03 at 18:15:20 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| ascetic |
| 05/27/03 at 17:29:58 |
| [quote author=bhaloo link=board=ummah;num=1053625306;start=0#1 date=05/23/03 at 01:31:11][slm] Is this problem only limited to Europe? Or are there problems in North America as well? ???[/quote] [slm] I don't know the official answer to your question but maybe this answers it. I was driving back from LA to the bay area this weekend and on one stretch of the highway (I think close to the I-5 and 152 junction), I saw literally thousands of cows crammed into a couple of square miles of land. They were packed so close that I was wondering how they lay down. Now if you've ever been around this place, the land is barren. I mean it's like a desert. So I was wondering what the cows feed on. Reading that article about how livestock is kept fat on a dose of pork leftovers and putting two-and-two together, I'm assuming that the meat I eat is most likely provided from that farm (or a similar one) and I'm eating adulterated meat. I'm not sure what I can do about it. What I don't get is that there is probably a huge market for people who want to eat clean, grass-fed, organic meat. So how come there isn't a major provider for this kind of meat? Californians: Does anyone know whether halal meat providers (they're mostly based in Sacramento or Berkeley) check to see what the slaughtered animals are fed? [wlm] |
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| SuperHiMY |
| 05/28/03 at 07:32:36 |
AsalamAlayKum.... Okay this thread's title sez, Beef/Pork found in Halal Chicken. So my first question is... How did the chicken eat a whole cow? ? Wholey.....cow? |
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| AbdulJalil |
| 07/21/03 at 20:09:51 |
| Assalamu Alaikum Sometimes organic food can be expensive. If you want cheap organic food, you can get it by joining a co-op that deliver organic foods. The membership fee is not expensive, and the price are very near those of non-organic foods, if not the same for some products. If you want to find a co-op you can make an internet search. Anyway, You might be required to lift your own heavy order in some cases, from the delivery truck to your car, so if your a sister, it is best to take someone with you. |
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| Caraj |
| 07/21/03 at 20:22:17 |
| Well I don't know if this is the time or place to post this but to the sisters and brothers in the Pac NW starting this fall I am going to raise chicken, turkey, lamb and goat to anyone who wishes to know their meat is clean and fed right. I will take orders and raise the animals wanted and when the time comes folks can do their own butchering on my place. All I ask is it be done away from the barns and clean up done as so not to attract coyotes. I am going to this at cost (not for profit) as it is on my heart to do so and I already have a profit making business so this will be a thing of the heart. Contact me by private message if you want info at a later date when the time gets closer. I am also going to do pesticide free herbs and veggies. Might even have a sisters week-end get together and we can all can foods for the winter. Maybe make turkey sausage, grind the turkey meat and add spices and all. YUMMY I have a bunch of dehydrators we can do banana chips, apple and pear and such treats. Oh and jerky :P This would be about 2 hours from Seattle. Bring the cooler and such and go home with the groceries. ;) |
| 07/21/03 at 20:25:52 |
| Caraj |
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| se7en |
| 07/22/03 at 14:35:12 |
as salaamu alaykum, azizah that is soo cool :) |
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| Caraj |
| 07/22/03 at 16:55:06 |
| [quote author=Ameera link=board=ummah;num=1053625306;start=0#6 date=05/24/03 at 22:19:12] [slm] Speaking of eggs... I have only been eating organic chicken eggs. The first reason was because the what you would call "regular" chicken eggs are from an industry that is horribly cruel to the chickens. They are stuffed into cages barely able to mover around. They are in a cage where the eggs they lay are not reachable by the chickens. Many try desperately to get their heads out the bottom of the cages to "rescue" their babies and end up getting stuck for days and eventually die from this as the workers do nothing to help them. If you don't believe me go to www.peta.org and take a look at the video footage of animal cruelty they have. It is horrendous. And then one day I looked at my organic egg carton and noticed it said "vegetarian fed"--well, I though chickens were vegetarians!! So I researched that and found out they were being fed ground meat products mixed with their food!!! That is just disgusting. It is worth the extra price to buy the organic eggs knowing that these chickens are not stuffed in cages and are fed what they are supposed to be eating!! Ameera[/quote] Ameera, just be careful you don't mix terminology. Organic simply means organically fed. But 'FREE RANGE' means they are free to run and play over property and fields. Organic doesn't usually refer to the houseing it refers on how they were fed. There are many reasons I like raising my own meat. Chicken for example at places are raised in small cages so their eggs roll away from them and the lights are kept on long hours on feeder (meat) birds so they eat more and grow faster. Mine roam around, napping, eatting and playing till locked up at night with plenty of perches. My chickens I always buy from a hatchery as day old chicks and raise them for meat or egg laying. This way I know how they are raised. Under heat lamps with lots of room, water and food to feathered and then taken to their chicken coop and locked up for up to a week and of course fed and watered. Why locked up?????? So they know the coop and not trees and bushes is their home. They raised like this will go to the coop to roost at nigh and I can lock it up to protect them from other critters, dogs, coyotes, racoons, etc. Once they know the coop is home they will go there automatically at night and to lay their eggs too. Then they just roam free all day in their area. People were amazed how thick my egg whites are and how orange the yokes, they were so use to pale yellow runny eggs. Chickens are not vegitarians they eat not only grains and grass and greens and plants they also eat bugs :o Ever drive past a feed lot on the side of a highway? Those are not hills, they are months and years of muck and waste accumilated over time. Cause they put hundreds in a small place, injected with hormones to eat more and grow fast. ::) When I started raising my own meat my family asked how could I raise it and kill it. Well, my animals have a much better life than any in feed lots, they have no hormones and junk in them. Dairies are cool cause most the cows just nap and eat in huge fields till milking time. I know I worked 2 dairies in my life. |
| 07/22/03 at 17:01:13 |
| Caraj |
| Re: Beef/Pork found in Halal Chicken. |
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| ascetic |
| 07/23/03 at 03:10:58 |
| sigh .. how I wish you were here in california :( |
| 07/23/03 at 03:11:35 |
| ascetic |
| Re: Beef/Pork found in Halal Chicken. |
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| Leslie |
| 07/27/03 at 02:46:29 |
| [slm] [url]http://islamonline.net/English/Science/2003/07/article11.shtml[/url] It certainly seems like the only way we could ensure a halal food supply is to control every aspect of it ourselves. [wlm] |
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| superFOB |
| 07/27/03 at 04:22:43 |
| [slm] lol, sisters this whole organic food argument sounds unconvincing. Sure they have nice stores, i mean, walk into a wholefoods outlet and you feel "uplifted". But they also rip you off, the prices are just obscene. Isn't this a bit on the israaf side? Agreed, you can afford it when you are in northern california, but what about ordinary joes and zaids like me? Btw, what does humane treatment of animals got to do with halal slaughter? This is an entire new twist to halal slaugher, imho. PETA is NOT a muslim organization, they are extremely biased since they have serious issues with meat consumption. Please consult with a "good" religious scholar on this. PS: Chicken carcasses are, most probably, injected with beef protein in fluid form. Thats how the chickens eat cows. |
| 07/27/03 at 04:24:47 |
| superFOB |
| Re: Beef/Pork found in Halal Chicken. |
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| AbdulJalil |
| 07/27/03 at 13:17:07 |
| Assalaikum Alaikum You wrote :"Btw, what does humane treatment of animals got to do with halal slaughter? " Halal meat also means the animals must be treated humanely. I am not sure if it would make th animal haram,if not treated properly, but you can check these links: http://www.azhar.jp/info/halal-eng/halal5.html http://www.azhar.jp/info/halal-eng/halal6.html http://www.azhar.jp/info/halal-eng/halal4.html Where do you live? if you want i can find you a co-op where they might have cheap organic food, at least cheaper than in retail stores. |
| 07/27/03 at 13:24:49 |
| AbdulJalil |
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