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| Nomi | ||||
| 05/26/03 at 11:06:59 | ||||
| [slm] all, actually i dint know that people get banned here too :) I took a break of 2 or so years from this board and i spent that time on mIRC chat mostly as an alternate to this and other message boards, and man!! i was kicked/banned for discussing islaam like a million times :) The Operaters there were of the opinion that islaam should not be discussed on the main chat window on channels like #Pakistan; #Lahore; #Karachi etc but i always objected to that and thats why nearly all the Operators [Admin] were my big time rivals :), except a "few" very nice OPs (one a sister and three bros), as i am good at mIRC-chat-programming so i played lots of hide and seek with mIRC admins :) :) But it feels like home here on this message board :) only problem is that things are so easy as you dont find many hard headed muslims here who are "naughty" too and with whom you'll have to discuss for hours to convince them :) when i rejoined this board i was hesitant to text few of my concepts (the one for which i used to get banned on mIRC) but then i thought that if Uncle Hanif isn't banned nor shall i :P My elder bro keeps telling me that face-to-face dawah is way more effective and hes right too but i still spend more time on e-dawah rather face-to-face dawah, i dunno why ? .......... addiction ? ..... erm i think yes So has n e one else been banging one's head at other e-places or its just me ?:) Asim Zafar | ||||
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| Nomi |
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| ltcorpest2 | ||||
| 05/26/03 at 11:20:45 | ||||
| this is basically the only place i post, i went to ummah for awhile when the medina went down, but it really is better to meet people face to face. I have never even been to a christian postig board. came here quite by accident when i had to do a bible study on islam after 911. | ||||
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| BroHanif | ||||
| 05/26/03 at 12:37:16 | ||||
| Salaams, [quote]when i rejoined this board i was hesitant to text few of my concepts (the one for which i used to get banned on mIRC) but then i thought that if Uncle Hanif isn't banned nor shall i [/quote] The only reason I don't get banned is I need to renew my subscription to the Jannah.org fund. I send in $10 a month to this account [email]jannahorg@yahoo.com[/email] If I don't pay my account is then disabled kinda like the mafia thing. Brother Asim I'd be careful from now on. [quote]My elder bro keeps telling me that face-to-face dawah is way more effective and hes right too but i still spend more time on e-dawah rather face-to-face dawah, i dunno why ? .......... addiction ? ..... erm i think yes So has n e one else been banging one's head at other e-places or its just me ?[/quote] I prefer face to face dawah yet more and more of my dawah is being activiated via email and websites. Interesting. Depends what can be acheived via e-dawah as well I've read literature that several people have converted via Islam via e-dawah so it must be working. Also are you interested in how we can work together on E-Dawah let me know, I think Sis Maliha is good in this field we may wanna twist her arm into joining us or supporting her in some E-Dawah. Anyone else can join in with us as well. Salaams Hanif | ||||
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| jannah | ||||
| 05/26/03 at 12:59:42 | ||||
| [quote] The only reason I don't get banned is I need to renew my subscription to the Jannah.org fund. I send in $10 a month to this account jannahorg@yahoo.com If I don't pay my account is then disabled kinda like the mafia thing. Brother Asim I'd be careful from now on. [/quote] [wlm] very funny bro... btw Asim are u talking about undernet? cause i've been there recently and it's all about who's an op and sometimes there are good, wise one's and then there are petty, personal vendetta perpetuating one's... | ||||
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| Nomi | ||||
| 05/26/03 at 13:05:47 | ||||
| [slm] [quote] I think Sis Maliha is good in this field we may wanna twist her arm [/quote] heh :) count me out "brother" Hanif i only twist manly arms :P.. heh just kiddin.. btw Arshad bhai is my new tag team partner coz we are of same height :) :) okay now, seriously speaking, i've alhamdolillah talked to many many non muslims online, all thanks to Allah one converted as well (its all in the hands of Allah) and two are showing alot of interest mashAllah do pray for them inshAllah and about e-dawah to muslims, yes it works alhamdolillah and "some" people really listen to you, [i]emphasis is on the word "some"[/i] and i've seen people change for good over the internet but what my elder brother says does carry some weight although i dont give in :) but dont u think that more time should be spent on non e-dawah rather than the one with an "E" Dont get me wrong, i'm the biggest supporter of e-dawah but i'm looking for answers !! mike wrote [quote]came here quite by accident when i had to do a bible study on islam after 911. [/quote] sounds like a good accident mike :)... and O boy, i thought i'm tall but after reading that post of yours about you height.. heh.. me is a shorty :) so Uncle Hanif... any comments and yes i'd like sister Maliha to share her experience here too Asim Zafar. | ||||
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| Nomi | ||||
| 05/26/03 at 13:17:41 | ||||
| [quote]btw Asim are u talking about undernet? [/quote] Yes sir i sure am talking about undernet, sorry i forgot another good female OP.. so the count is now 5, why not i name my favorite one's ladies first :) [1] sis zara [2] sis nazlin [3] brother Shahid [4] Khurram (old man :) but hes 28 ) [5] last but not the least, the channel manager himself (Halai :)) Actually i do like a non-Muslim OP there as well, her name is Marie, actually i talked to her about islaam everything went fine, we discussed stuff in a very cool manner but then all of a sudden she....... naah.... it would be back biting if i say more, no? n e wayz, so who do you like there sis Huma ? Uncle Hanif: The topic is kinda shifting but you better stick to the original one and answer me :) Asim Zafar [i]PS: My rivals list is looooooooooong, i better save it for eternity :)[/i] | ||||
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| Nomi |
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| bhaloo | ||||
| 05/26/03 at 13:46:45 | ||||
| [slm] I used to be a channel admin on #islam back in the day (i think it was efnet, hahahah, i forgot now). i can't believe jannah still is using mirc. :P | ||||
| Maliha | ||||
| 05/26/03 at 15:34:45 | ||||
| [slm] hmmm...i am being volunteered for sumthing i have no idea what it is? What is e dawah? like message boards? blogs? email discussions? i don't like irc or any other boards...seems like a waste of time arguing with people who only wanna argue...for the sake of arguing... ::) i think jannah.org is the bestestestesteststesetests :) Anywhooooooo, me just biased:) Sis, Maliha :-) [wlm] | ||||
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| Lil_Sista |
| 05/27/03 at 05:00:21 |
| [slm] talkin about mIrc........#islam on dalnet'n undernet is a matrimonial place ;D lotsa couples 1st met while they were online'n the story begun........ [] im kinda surprised'coz it really works :o any 1 interested to give it a try??? ;D peace out! :-) Yu~Ki |
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| Nomi |
| 05/27/03 at 06:51:22 |
| [slm] [quote] any 1 interested to give it a try [/quote] anyone interested first go to the akhwats Cafe on this messageboard, read the thread about Internet Matchups to find the scholarly opinion on how to do it online (wali involved from very beginning) and only then give it a try :) Uncle Hanif, my thread is being hijacked and you are sitting back relaxed :P People: How much time should we actually give to dawah on the net (edawah) as compared to face-to-face dawah ? Asim Zafar |
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| theOriginal |
| 05/27/03 at 07:18:17 |
| [slm] E-Dawah? Isn't it easier to get sidetracked on the net. Yes I'm another ex-chatter. But not on any of the places that have been mentioned....and I truly think that chatting is a waste of time, period. There are other ways to go about spreading the message of Islam. In fact, there are other methods that are available on the net itself. This board being one of them. I met some people on the net who claimed everything was for purposes of dawah only. But if you are spending up to 6 continuous hours on the internet, the Niyah might have become a little muddled after the 3rd hour. Plus Islam encourages healthy living, and without the tools of face-to-face contact, dawah can be very very challenging, not to mention mentally disruptive... I am just completely anti-chat...but if you can be creative in your methodology of 'edawah'...mo' powuh to joo. Wasalaam. |
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| Nomi |
| 05/28/03 at 10:17:17 |
| [slm] [quote] Plus Islam encourages healthy living, and without the tools of face-to-face contact, dawah can be very very challenging, not to mention mentally disruptive... [/quote] Thats so true but i've been silly enough to take dawah on chat as a challenge, always thinking of new innovative ways to do things etc, But i do feel and realized that we should devote more time to face-to-face dawah rather than e-dawah both of these arn't mutually exclusive, obviously, but what i'm trying to learn is to create a balance in both forms of dawah by giving more time to face-to-face dawah but i'm failing !! I did spend some time with the tableegi jamaat (dawah jamaat), last time i went for a 3 day dawah/learning tour was three months back, i had 7-8 such trips in last 4 or so years, we go to a masjid in each trip spend the whole three days there, meet the local people. ask them to come to masjid for their prayers and after each prayer a discussion session is held among members of the dawah jamaat, Fazael-e-a'maal (a book on Hadith and sunnah) is read out to people after 2 or 3 selected prayers and then the local people are encouraged to form their own jamaat and have a same kind of trip. Besides that in the local masjid the dawah jamaat go door to door on a decided day of the week for dawah work and there are lessons on Qur'an, Hadith and Sunnah everyday after magrib or esha prayer (coz there are more people in masjid in these salaahs) This type of dawah work is very popular in many countries and there is a wave of change mashAllah, the annual dawah ejtmaas (religious gathering) in many countries are gaining strength in terms of the number of people attending them, the one held in Bangladesh has got the most strength i guess next in the list is Pakistan, but its quality that matters not the quantity and mashAllah quality is good too Having said all this when i compare the results of edawah to face-to-face dawah work that i mentioned in previous paragraphs, i realize that more time should be given to dawah "without" an E... but as i said i'm failing !!! I've spent waay too much time on the net, although the winds of hedayah are in the hands of Allah [swt] but we are asked to do dawah work in the best possible way... internet is a good tool but this thread is all about how much time we should allocate to it, be it chatting or message boards [slm] Asim Zafar |
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| Nomi |
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| wardah |
| 05/28/03 at 17:09:36 |
[slm] i used to go on mirc on channel #islam and #islaam but then i realised that mirc is a waste of time, though i did make some really good friends and i'm still friends with them too :-* [quote]How much time should we actually give to dawah on the net (edawah) as compared to face-to-face dawah ?[/quote] you could spend just a few minutes on face to face dawah in a conversation with a person where loads of their questions are answered in those few minutes and they learn alot too. on the other hand in edawah you can spend ages and ages designing a website with lots of information on islam, making it look good (to attract more ppl) etc and loadsss of people intentionally or unintentionally find themselves on that website through search engines or something else. It may be that someone knows nothing about islam until they come to a website or message board where they realise that there so much more to it, (to islam) so designing a dawah website could be good. i think message boards are an excellent way for dawah because you can learn from eachother experiences and help eachother and theres a sense of brother(sister)hood :-* i don't think dawah through chatrooms is a good idea and not much time should be spent in them cause you can always get side tracked like sis justone said [quote]if you are spending up to 6 continuous hours on the internet, the Niyah might have become a little muddled after the 3rd hour.[/quote] and yea..that what i think :P |
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| paula |
| 05/29/03 at 01:07:39 |
| [slm][size=2][font=Book Aniqua][color=Navy] ((Just my truly humanistic contemplation on your very nice topic)) Although as you stated, “the winds of hedayah are in the hands of Allah [SubHana Wa Ta`ala]”, so is the reward for our sincere intension in the hands of Allah(swt). The weight of our intensions, & the effect of our intensions/actions, only Allah(swt) knows. I’m a firm believer that if we were to evaluate ourselves & the value or our deeds we would cut ourselves short. Way, Way short. Let me try to explain my point: For example you had expressed that through your e-dawah efforts you knew definitely of one convert & two contemplating… Subhan Allah. However, how do we evaluate the unseen, the invisibles? Only through placing our trust & humbleness in Allah(swt) himself. This would apply to face-to-face Dawah & e-Dawah alike. And on this token how may we evaluate the importance or effectiveness of one verses the other? We can gather the information of the seen but the unseen is still not accessible for personal/humanistic evaluation. A couple more ideas that ran through my head here (remember this is just a new topic for me & I’m contemplating not… “knowing”)… Allahu Alam We each seek avenues based on the abilities & confidence that Allah(swt) has bestowed on us. In all areas of our life. When we are truly living for the sake of Allah(swt) & pursue these avenues with his intension in mind. We make the best of our moments & minutes. We have placed Allah(swt) at the core of every breath we take & that is the very best we can do. Am I wrong to ask if there is a point at which we reach an elevation where we let go & let him ordain? Do you know what I’m talking about? We focus on our intensions, strengthen our true intensions for the sake of Allah(swt), yet release the effect for his ordainment ……. Allahu Alam Dawah was commanded to us right? Oh, the beauty of Allah (swt)’s command. Excellent topic. I’m wondering something personally though. When we pursue dawah efforts are we not encouraging/inviting for the sake of Allah(swt)? A mission for Allah(swt), a concern for humanity(Allah(swt)’s Creation), as well as increasing our very own substance & faith. Let me try to explain that one too: When we increase our knowledge & submission for ourselves our accountability is different than when we are interacting or expressing to another. Hmm… do you know what I’m saying, we are not merely a seeker of Allah(swt)’s acceptance we are a representation for Allah(swt) & of Islam for the sake of Allah(swt). We all know that Allah(swt) himself does not need our representation, but he has commanded it of us. So therefore what are the effects of our representation. And are they as much for ourselves as for him & others? You know what lead me to pondering this is all the verse that expresses that we could discuss until we were blue in the face & those that Allah(swt) have sealed will never see or hear. Yet he commanded this deed from us. ((still contemplating)) This lead me to think maybe we should each remember that any contact & each moment of our existence as Muslims we are representation of Islam & ultimately representation for Allah(swt) himself. Wondering if we shouldn’t be conscious that each of our moments should be a conscious dawah effort because we never know the unseen. Our good & bad effects on others? Hmm….. well I’ll get back to the heart of your contemplation……. :-* …..….. To “E” or not to “E” ? …… “Allahu Alam” [/color][color=blue][list] [*]The Prophet(saw), has said: “Whoever guides (another) to a good deed will get a reward similar to the one who performs it.” (Muslim) [*]“By Allah, if Allah were to guide one man through you, it would be better for you than the best type of camels.” (Bukhari & Muslim) [*]Let there arise out of you a band of people inviting to all that is good, enjoining what is right, and forbidding what is wrong: they are the ones to attain felicity. (Qur’an 3:104) [*]Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance (Qur’an 16:125) [*]Who is better in speech than one who calls (men) to Allah, works righteousness, and says, "I am of those who bow in Islam?" (Qur’an 41:33) [/list][/color][/font][/size] [wlm] |
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| se7en |
| 05/29/03 at 06:10:08 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah, I think that before someone puts on the cloak of a da'ee, they need to be in a state of spiritual and intellectual readiness that comes with discipline and serious training. It is soo easy to sit in front of a monitor and type, or sit behind a da'wah table and craft clever words, but *living out* the deen in our nights and our days is a different story. I think the best da'ee is one who immerses him or herself in worship, seeking knowledge, and focus on his/herself.. and so their words in their da'wah, online or otherwise, are an embodiment of their inner state, and not simply rhetoric pulled from here or there. Another thing is, I think we need to be careful about making sure our *method* of performing da'wah is proper. It is so easy to fall into doing shady things if we justify them as "da'wah". like spending hours and hours on the net, neglecting your duties towards your self, family, and community.. etc. I think we just need to keep our intentions clear, and not be afraid to be honest with ourselves and really scrutinize why we're doing things. w'Allahu a'lam. wasalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah :-) |
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| Nomi |
| 05/29/03 at 10:44:29 |
| [slm] all Some wonderful comments by "simply_sister" and sis "se3en" simply_sister wrote: [quote] Wondering if we shouldn’t be conscious that each of our moments should be a conscious dawah effort because we never know the unseen. Our good & bad effects on others? [/quote] sis Se7en wrote [quote] It is so easy to fall into doing shady things if we justify them as "da'wah". like spending hours and hours on the net, neglecting your duties towards your self, family, and community.. etc [/quote] What simply_sister wrote is just the same as what sis se7en added (the way i took em) i.e. our whole life can be dawah if we go by the rules of islaam i.e. we should allocate time for dawah AND our family AND our own deeds and hence all of it will become dawah ! [quote] I think the best da'ee is one who immerses him or herself in worship, seeking knowledge, and focus on his/herself.. [/quote] So true but i must admit internet seldom helps me in this regard on the other hand whenever (not often unfortunately) i join the local masjid for dawah activities (the one that i mentioned in my last post) then i really feel that spiritual gain, i feel like i'm able to concentrate more in salaah etc Having said all that, internet does have its benefits but spending 2 or so hours on the internet daily should only be acceptable if we are giving equal, if not more, time to face-to-face dawah PLUS (as sis Se7en said) immersing oursleves in worship/study-of-islam for a reasonable amount of time As the Sheikhs around me usually say "haal kay ammar ko pehchanoo" that can be translated as "make sure that you are following the right commandment of Allah at the right time"... all commandments are perfect but a timing factor is attached to them too But people sometimes get carried away by this internet thingie... Asim Zafar PS: if my elder bro ever see this post of mine, he'll be like.. look whos talking :) [i]but i'm trying... [/i] |
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| BroHanif |
| 05/29/03 at 19:58:10 |
| salaams, [quote]As the Sheikhs around me usually say "haal kay ammar ko pehchanoo" that can be translated as "make sure that you are following the right commandment of Allah at the right time"... all commandments are perfect but a timing factor is attached to them too [/quote] So what are the halaats that you refer to about for dawah then Bro ? Should we be using more technology to spread the deen or conduct face to face dawah ?. Take for example the TV nearly every home has a TV have muslims though of using this medium to deliver Dawah ? Cheap, Effective and can sprad Dawah to the masses. I also think whatever line of Dawah you are in you need to be aware of what other dawah groups are doing. For example, I'm really keen that the Tafsir of the Quran should be conducted in all mosques in English, yet something as important as this does not take place. Why ? Beacuse it requires careful planning and adeuate clever resources. As some of you may be aware that I reside in Dewsbury, where the European HQ for the Tabligh Jamaat are, brothers and sisters come in their thousands yet if you go to the local mosques then you will find no tafsir of Quran in english. This is one the problems that if you do dawah you should be always self critical and see how the effort can be improved. Otherwise you can become blind in your dawah movement and think that your way is THE right way and the rest are simply heading for failure. And the biggest failure of our dawah methods to date is how can it be that our Masjid-Al-Aqsa is surrounded by people who want to destroy it, yet we have human shields by the name of Rachel, Tom and Matt who have and are willing to lay down their lives for others. Its obvious what we as Muslims should be doing yet we are not, a real Dawah failure. Salaams Hanif |
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| Nomi |
| 05/30/03 at 15:12:46 |
| [slm] [quote] As some of you may be aware that I reside in Dewsbury, where the European HQ for the Tabligh Jamaat [/quote] Yes, i came to know of the European HQ only recently when i paid a visit to "raiwand" for the sake of asking any scholar there about the london "markaz" (HQ), mashAllah you must be a really active daee then... btw do u have the address of london markaz ?! [quote] always self critical and see how the effort can be improved. Otherwise you can become blind in your dawah movement and think that your way is THE right way and the rest are simply heading for failure [/quote] Thats so true and about using technology for dawah work, well thats what i encourage people to do too, was thinking about using the Cable TV for dawah work but .... lazy me !!! ..... Aually i had been doing something of same sort over the internet, as i already mentioned that i'm alhamdolillah good at mirc-chat programming so i developed these scripts that send messages to users who login to chat rooms, the scripts worked in my absense too some recipients called it spam !!, "few" were really happy with what i was doing but i always wondered that whether or not my time is being utilized correctly or not !! Then there are these tools that can be programmed to run as Operating System level macros, i used them to send messages to chat rooms which don't provide a programming interface, so again the "daee" chat-scripts used to do their thing whether i was present or not but the big question is that "did i utilize my time correctly.... all those hours !!!" btw if any one of you need those chat scripts, just ask me, but i dont give them to strangers coz they might use it for advertising rather than dawah :P but if i know you well... scripts are all yours (as if they are so rare :) ) For a serious note, once a friend of mine said that "many of us live in these boxes that we ourselves chose and hence we get confined to specific practices", i wonder that whether i've been just the same !!! may be we all do !!! but could it be that many of us living in our own boxes are doing the needful ? are we being used by Allah in certain/specific areas for dawah ?! but assuming that would be being quite optimistic, no ?! [quote] are willing to lay down their lives for others. Its obvious what we as Muslims should be doing yet we are not, a real Dawah failure. [/quote] Don't get me wrong bro Hanif but i remember that in a thread you asked sis kathy or someone else to cover your travel expenses when you offered them your services for that children camp, now my question is that how far are we required to go in sacrifices? obviously people have their limitations but how far is the Q? !! Should dawah work take priority over our personal lives ?! our families ?! Asim Zafar |
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