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| zeph |
| 05/28/03 at 01:41:19 |
| As-Salaamu-Alaikum, Rarely do I have the opportunity to post my thoughts to the topics, but whenever I have a concern I know exactly where to go. The sisters (and brothers) here tend to provide good advice and are knowledgeable. Here's my dilemma: I'm about to graduate in Aug., and it is in the air that I'm ready to be married. My brother in-law is in the Nation of Islam(NOI) and has a brother he wants me to meet that's in the NOI. My concern is, would a brother from the NOI be permissible for a believing Muslim woman to marry? If you're not familiar with the NOI, check out www.noi.org. There is a difference in our beliefs. They believe the Messiah has already returned in 1933 by the name of Master Fard D. Muhammad, therefore we are at the end of times. This belief is the greatest concern of mine. They do believe in the oneness of Allah(swt). I don't know, I have some reservations. I have yet to meet him, and I'm wondering if it's a step I should avoid taking. My sister and her husband are doing fine. I believe it to be so partly because my family came to Islam through NOI before I was born, so my sister holds great respect for it, and b/c my brother in-law is very open-minded and holds great respect for "our side" so to speak. I still have questions of if its permissible or not, though? |
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| jannah |
| 05/28/03 at 04:28:34 |
| [wlm] Sister that is a very big question and a very big concern that will affect your life. [According to all the scholars I have heard NOI is not within the fold of Islam and it's tenets are very different from Islam.] I think we should avoid a discussion/arguments on this topic's specifics and you should ask a religious scholar or Imam you trust since this is an extremely important matter. |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/28/03 at 07:29:04 |
| [slm] They are definitely not Muslims, and the beliefs they have according to their site are very different from Muslim beliefs. |
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| Nomi |
| 05/28/03 at 12:46:45 |
| [slm] sis zeph i would like u to look at it in a different light i.e. Muslim belief of the return of Messiah is very vital and because NOI is mislead big time in this regard so there are broad chances for them being mislead in many affairs as Messiah is expected to guide us Muslims further My point is, how come a false Messiah guide NOI to the truth as whatever that false Messiah told them is false, undoubtably, and as they follow him so they are mislead in so many things to the extent that their practices lead them out of the tenents of islam, obviously they did what that false Messiah told them to do, so i think u shouldn't even bother meeting him [slm] Asim Zafar |
| 05/28/03 at 12:49:45 |
| Nomi |
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| zeph |
| 05/28/03 at 17:25:06 |
| ASA, Thank you all for your responses. It is a very important decision. I made istikhara prayer about it, and I see more red flags than green ones. Because say if I took the time to meet him, my only concern would be bringing him to "our side" of Islam, so to speak. And I know it is not good to go in a marriage with the idea of changing a man. |
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| Ameeraana |
| 05/28/03 at 20:07:47 |
| [slm] not only is there an issue with you wanting to try to change his beliefs about the true Islam, you will have a huge issue with the children you both have. Istikhara hopefully will help you. Ameera |
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| zeph |
| 05/29/03 at 17:13:42 |
| ASA, Yes, exactly. Children are definitely something to think about. But the fact of the matter is I realize I will not let it get to that point. I've been told that I should at least meet him to see where his mind is, because there is so much hype about the NOI changing their ideas, beliefs, and rituals and conforming to true Islam. Yet the website does not exemplify that, nor does some its followers that I know. I'm thinking like Nomi, to not even meet him. So at this point my decision is to give him the benefit of the doubt by meeting him, or not at all. Inshallah, I will continue to make istikhara prayer. Thank you all for your insight. |
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| Yasmeena |
| 05/30/03 at 02:16:20 |
| [slm] I agree with Bhaloo. I just checked out the web site and it definately looks questionable. Even to an Islamic "newbie" like me! I wouldn't get involved with an organization that proclaims that someone in it is the Messiah returned. I admit that we are living in dire times, but that is exactly when we should gauge everything in light of the Qur'aan and Sunnah. Those teachings WILL NOT lead us down the wrong path. The Shaytan will try to the utmost to put out confusing ideas and innovations to make the wrong paths look more right than the true path. Yasmeena [wlm] |
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| Nomi |
| 05/30/03 at 16:48:45 |
| [slm] all i hate to admit this but there was a time when i used to think to marry a non to convert her to islaam !!! a friend put this question to me and i'm thankful to him for that, the Q? was "How many can you marry" !!!! getting my point and NO i dint answer him by saying 4 :P coz many scholars around me say that in these times one can't even do justice with 2, but thats a whole new topic, so comming back to this one. Marrying someone for dawah is not a good idea as it limits you, if you want to call someone from NOI to islaam then do it by being a "daee"... having said that, Allah [swt] lets some evil exist so that ppl may learn things from the ugliness of them ... i dunno i may well be wrong here .. but there indeed are situations where getting out of them is the only solution, i hope i made sense [quote] And I know it is not good to go in a marriage with the idea of changing a man [/quote] again, how many can i marry? [quote] I've been told that I should at least meet him to see where his mind is, because there is so much hype about the NOI changing their ideas [/quote] Thats even more alarming, what if he changes his ideas when you question him and he then get back to his own after marrying you ?! so i would say K= Keep I= It S= Simple . . S=Sister :)... dont bother may Allah help you sis.... btw din't Allah already helped you with those red signs ? why then ? Asim Zafar |
| 05/30/03 at 16:53:55 |
| Nomi |
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