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| Danyala |
| 06/02/03 at 11:29:23 |
| [slm] I was watching the Heaven and Earth show Sunday mornin' and the focus of their debate was is law above religion...anyhoo, in this debate it was mentioned that theres a possibility that the government might ban kosher and halal meat??? Or maybe it was just that guys view....did anybody else catch it cos i only caught the last part... [wlm] :-* |
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| wardah |
| 06/02/03 at 14:09:08 |
[slm] nope sorry but was it talking about the halal meat thay started selling in supermarkets? cause when i went shopping with my mum to sainsburys i noticed the halal meat section was empty. [wlm] |
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| Saffiyah |
| 06/02/03 at 16:19:35 |
| [slm] I caught a bit of the programme as well. Since it was the end of the show, there wasn't much time for the debate. They were discussing whether or not religious beliefs should be exempt from certain laws i think, and the possibility that the Jewish and Muslim method of slaughter of an animal may be banned. With all the recent programmes on where British meat comes from, esp meat supposedly to be halal, its a bit of-putting. [hr] Row over religious animal slaughter A row over the methods used to slaughter animals for meat could be brewing between the government and Britain's Jewish and Muslim communities. The Farm Animal Welfare Council, a government advisory body, is to recommend that members of both religions should no longer be allowed to slaughter animals without stunning them first. Its chairwoman, Dr Judy MacArthur Clark, says that animals suffer significantly unless they are stunned - a position backed by animal welfare charity the RSPCA. Both kosher and halal butchers have reacted angrily, arguing that their methods are humane and actually cause less suffering to animals. 'Clearly suffering' Dr MacArthur Clark said there is absolutely no doubt that stunning will always make the slaughter process more humane. She said: "The rendering of unconsciousness is a very immediate thing that happens, therefore those animals are clearly suffering far far less because the period of time over which they suffer is extremely short." She said under the halal and kosher systems adult cattle can take up to 40 seconds to lose consciousness, while calves can take two minutes. "Those are very significantly long periods of time for the animal to be suffering before it loses consciousness," she said. Humane One rabbi who had been practicing the Jewish method of animal slaughter for around 40 years told BBC News it was humane. He said: "The process takes a fraction of a second. "With a very, very sharp knife all the vessels in the neck are severed and that means there's no blood going to the brain and the animal loses consciousness very rapidly and dies soon after that." The Muslim Council of Britain says stunning is forbidden on religious grounds and that studies show it is actually more harmful to the animals. A spokesman said: "We oppose it from a legal point, from a religious point, from a health and medical point and from an animal welfare point." Ignored The Farm Animal Welfare Council has previously recommended that the exemption on religious slaughter be removed. But on that occasion, in the 1980s, it was ignored. The government will receive the council's report in June. It says it will take careful note of any religious sensitivities before deciding what to do. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/uk/2961623.stm Published: 2003/04/19 23:48:15 GMT [hr] Knives sharpen in UK to outlaw kosher slaughtering By DOUGLAS DAVIS LONDON Advertisement A government committee is poised to recommend that shechita—the Jewish ritual slaughter of animals—should be outlawed in Britain, according to proposals leaked to the London Times and published on Thursday. The recommendation, which is scheduled to be published next month, is expected to propose that Jewish and Muslim religious authorities find acceptable ways to stun animals before slaughter. Commenting on the report, director-general of the Board of Deputies of British Jews Neville Nagler said: "Pre-stunning is against our very long-standing religious principles. There would be a very serious outcry at interference in what has been a fundamental religious rite for thousands of years." The Times also quoted the Campaign for the Protection of Shechita as accusing the government-appointed and funded Farm Animal Welfare Council, which will make the recommendation, of being one of the most "stubborn repositories of institutionalized religious prejudice in this country." But a council source insisted that "if modern slaughter methods can avoid suffering, it is not unreasonable for religious leaders to reconsider their position." Under the European Union's animal welfare regulations, all farm animals must be stunned before slaughter, unless they are killed by shechita or Halal religious techniques. After a four-year study, however, the council has concluded that Jewish and Muslim methods of slaughter are inhumane and it insists they must be brought into line with mainstream regulations. According to the Times, consultations between the religious groups and the council have broken down. Members of the council have visited shechita and halal abattoirs, where they found scientific evidence suggesting that cows and poultry take up to two minutes to lose consciousness after their throats are cut, while sheep lose consciousness after 14 and 70 seconds. Jewish and Muslim authorities have contended that their slaughter methods are humane. They say an animal must be healthy and uninjured when it is slaughtered, but stunning an animal before slaughter amounts to inflicting an injury. It is estimated that about 90% of animals that are slaughtered in Britain for halal meat are electrically pre-stunned, but Jewish law is inflexible on this point, and pre-stunning is strictly forbidden. |
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| imaan |
| 06/04/03 at 10:50:11 |
| Salaamualaikum- after having been addicted to this site for over two yrs, ive finally decided to join u lot. o.k. this halal meat ban- there seems to be proposals to introduce a legislation that willl prevent the slaughtring process - cos they consider it 'inhumane' ( bomb little kids in Iraq- but slaughtring animals for religious purpose' is INHUMANE!!!!hypocrisy at its peak) anyway, i think people should keep following the story and do something - write to ur MP, MCB, or anyone expressing concern. o.k. have a good one. 8) |
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| Nafisa |
| 06/10/03 at 14:19:07 |
| [slm] I heard about this debate on the news today. I really doubt they will ban religious methods of slaughter cos it'll really alienate us muslims as well as the Jewish community and the govt can't afford to p-- off anymore of the electorate! If, they do will there be a black market in halal meat? Or will we all go veggie? I quite fancy going veggie so I wouldn't mind ;) ps, sr Solitude, i like your lil piccie, very pretty :) |
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| Nabila |
| 06/10/03 at 17:06:18 |
| [slm] http://www.themodernreligion.com/index2.html Interesting. Can anyone verify it? ma asalaamah and take care |
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