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| wardah |
| 06/10/03 at 06:00:24 |
[slm] I want to get my nose pierced after my last exam Inshallah which is pretty soon :-* what do you personally think about it? would you get it done? and if you've got it done already have there been any problems? [wlm] :-) |
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| faisalsb |
| 06/10/03 at 06:19:35 |
| [slm] Well I haven't tried it so far neither intend to do in future but I think if you don't cover your face then you are not allowed to do so since it would be like showing off your beauty which is forbidden. |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/10/03 at 18:01:54 |
| [slm] realllly brother faisal??? I have my nose pierced. I got it done like around 6 yrs ago when I was visiting Pakistan. my nose ring is very small and you can barely see it. After three months I remember it started hurting a little but then it got fine. Eventually you should start moving it around a little..Alhumdulilah other than that no problem. ok dont beat me up people but I think getting your nose and belly button pierced is very pretty. anything more nowayyy! |
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| sista |
| 06/10/03 at 18:45:44 |
| [slm] I thought you were forbidden to show your jewellery "except that which is apparent"...? If you're not allowed to show [i]any[/i] jewellery then surely that means no rings...?? Anyway, I got my nose pierced twice...and twice it got infected and closed up :'( Basically, it's against the law for them to put a butterfly in when they do the piercing in the UK, so you just get a straight stud...unfortunately, this meant that mine fell out every time I went into sajdah ::) But I'm wit you on this one though sis silverose - despite the infections (man they were paaainful) I like the nose piercing idea enough to want to get it done a third time anywayz...soon inshallah...! ;) [wlm] :-) |
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| faisalsb |
| 06/11/03 at 01:00:49 |
| [slm] Well first of all let me make it clear that I am not a scholar or claric so don't take my words for granted but this is what I heard and read. Sister sista the verse of Quran what you are referring to is mentioned below: [quote]024.031 And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss.[/quote] If we read the verse carefully we come to know that women are not even allowed to get non-mehrams hear the sound of hidden jewellery or ornamnets through any action. (That's why some scholars have forbidden high heels since it draws attention of men) Then how is it allowed to show off jewellery openly ? Wherever the argument "which is apparent" is concerned there is difference in opinion. Some scholars say it's hands and face. (Without makeup or any other jewellery including nose and ear piercing) Other school of thought say it's just hands, feet and eyes. But all scholars are agreed it doesn't mean showing off any kind of jewellery or makeup or any other artificial beautfying method. Allah Knows the Best ..... |
| 06/11/03 at 01:02:19 |
| faisalsb |
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| Caraj |
| 06/11/03 at 01:20:11 |
| What about wedding rings ? hmmmmmm this is a very interesting subject. Think I'll sit back with a [] and see where this all goes. My ears are pierced and only once. As to Noses!!!!!! I have only one word (although I will admit at one time this interest me till my adult sons told me they would prefer I didn't. So I did not ) One word.....OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/11/03 at 01:35:00 |
| [slm] nahhh sis Caraj it hurts for a second :) Brother Faisal I thought that ayah talks more about like payal the one that makes noise has bells or churiya? payal are foot bracelets (most have heavy bells that make noise when you walk) And churiya are braclets (many so then also make noise.... Really a man shouldnt get that close as to see your ring anyway and a nose ring that is small, I dont see how it can attract attention... I think the main thing here is our intention... how can i stop wearing the churiyaaaaa sheesh :( I mean im not gonna start moving my arm so a man can get attention and hears my bracelets or my feet for payal heh like in indian movies ::) |
| 06/11/03 at 21:34:26 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| nouha |
| 06/11/03 at 02:34:39 |
| [slm] [quote] I think the main thing here is our intention... [/quote] you posted exactly what i was gonna say...a local shiekh here said that this is what it depends on....Allahu Alim now i dont want ppl sayin 'well what other intention do ppl have to get nose rings/wear high heels/etc" :P becuase alhumdulilah there are those of us who do it for other reasons other than to attract attention :-) wasalam nouha:) |
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| Rameeza |
| 06/11/03 at 09:36:02 |
| [slm] just curious so what are the other intentions...? |
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| sista |
| 06/11/03 at 11:23:49 |
| [slm] [quote]hmmmmmm this is a very interesting subject. Think I'll sit back with a [] and see where this all goes. [/quote] Ditto - definitely curious about wedding rings...! [quote]But all scholars are agreed it doesn't mean showing off any kind of jewellery or makeup or any other artificial beautfying method. [/quote] Hmm...read articles etc to the contrary in fact...but I'll try to check them out first rather than say any more inshallah... Although the whole nose piercing issue doesn't apply to me since I'm a niqabi - ah, makes life soo much simpler! ;) But that's jus me... [wlm] |
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| Nomi |
| 06/11/03 at 13:28:17 |
| [wlm] and [slm] [quote] Although the whole nose piercing issue doesn't apply to me since I'm a niqabi - ah, makes life soo much simpler [/quote] You bet.................. eeks betting isn't allowed !!! so its just cyber thumbs up :) [slm] Asim Zafar |
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| nouha |
| 06/11/03 at 19:22:15 |
| [slm] people do it for their culture on weddings...or...just for themselves cause they like it, it doesnt have to be for someone else.... wasalam nouha:) |
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| Emerald |
| 06/11/03 at 21:18:12 |
| As-salaam aleikum Wardah, I too wanted to have my nose pierced...for a looooong time! When I told my family, they just laughed in my face. They said that's what the fortune tellers back in the country wear. ??? Me personally - I don't care cause I think it looks so nice especially when the stud is a really small diamond (CZ ::)) If you do decide to get one, tell me where you got it. I looked up places that do them here in Albany but they also do other body piercing's and tattoos which I don't think would be an appropriate place to go to if you're a hijabi. Plus it's like 70 bucks! :P ( :-[ Just had a light bulb flash! I'm talking to ya like you're in Albany too, :D. How dumb of me! :D ) |
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| theOriginal |
| 06/12/03 at 04:34:21 |
| [slm] Emerald...omg...lol...your family sounds like mine... Except they say that the whole nose piercing thing is a hindu tradition. Brides were forced to wear the huge hoops in their noses, since it is symbolic of the bulls that are led around by their masters. Anyhowwwww.....after much argument with my dad, he said I could get it if I really want it, but by then I had grown out of the phase -- rather, I had come to terms with the shape of my nose (heh). Now if I get it, it will only be because I like those teeeeny tiny studs that look OH SO COOL. Wasalaam ...*waves* |
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| Nafisa |
| 06/12/03 at 06:54:51 |
| [slm] Ooh, i really want my nose pierced but I just don't think my nose is looks right for it to be pierced. If you don't like the idea going thru all the pain then get a stick on stud. a bit of bindi glue shud help stick it on firmly and you can get diamante ones which are small and look quite real. Try looking at the chemists or saree shops. |
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| wardah |
| 06/12/03 at 07:35:13 |
| [slm] [quote]Basically, it's against the law for them to put a butterfly in when they do the piercing in the UK, so you just get a straight stud...unfortunately, this meant that mine fell out every time I went into sajdah [/quote] uhh oh, means i got to be extra careful then ::) [quote] Just had a light bulb flash! I'm talking to ya like you're in Albany too, How dumb of me! [/quote] lol, actually that was kind of fun, having a thought that i'm living in Albany with all you lot :-* [quote]Except they say that the whole nose piercing thing is a hindu tradition. Brides were forced to wear the huge hoops in their noses, since it is symbolic of the bulls that are led around by their masters.[/quote] Yikes! well i don't want a ring or anything just a really tiny diamond and i [u]no way[/u] have the intention of getting it done cause its a hindu tradition :o when we were a lil younger we (me and my cousin) used to pull the diamonds of our dresses and press them onto our nose to make them stick :D talk about being desperate, no don't, cause i ain't desperate or anything :-X [img]http://www.smilies-world.de/Smilies/Smilies_klein_1/xyxwave.gif[/img] to sis Justone [wlm] [img]http://www.smilies-world.de/Smilies/Smilies_klein_1/ylflower.gif[/img] |
| 06/12/03 at 07:40:07 |
| wardah |
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| saadia |
| 06/12/03 at 13:31:44 |
| [slm] Just wanted to add my 2 cents- I got my nose pierced on a whim a while back, it was sooo painful! I'm not the best healer in the world either but dang, it hurt for a few months and i was swollen for a few weeks too. Not a pretty site lol. But then again, I got it done in Jersey City for FIVE DOLLARS, :o (I'm not kidding, $5!) in some random shop by this little Asian lady who didn't say a single word to me the entire time! AND it was done really quickly bc my parents were double parked :-/ Luckily I had my sister around to tell me how to take care of it lol. So my advice, don't look for the cheapest place to do it or you'll end up paying for it, one way or the other! AND if you get a small post (like a sterling silver ear ring ) no one can even tell you're wearing it, it took my co workers THREE months to notice I had it lol. |
| 06/12/03 at 13:36:02 |
| saadia |
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| Ameeraana |
| 06/13/03 at 20:12:17 |
| [slm] Speaking of piercings, I used to have a belly pierce and an eybrown pierce. The belly pierce was sooooooo painful for me and took a long time to heal. The eyebrow pierce was no pain at all and healed right away. I loved them, I thought they were so cute. Well, my belly pierce got infected quite a few times over the course of the 2 years I had it in but one day I was putting on me jeans in too much of a hurry and the zipper snagged the bellyring and.... OUCH ripped it right out. Well, not all the way--later that day I touch it and it came right out. Now I gots me a litte scar :( My eyebrow pierce I had to take out because of my job but I am glad I had it as I thought it was very cute but I don't need it now... I'm too old!! Ameera |
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| Nomi |
| 06/14/03 at 18:14:13 |
| [slm] [quote author=Faisal Siddique link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=0#1 date=06/10/03 at 06:19:35] [slm] Well I haven't tried it so far neither intend to do in future but I think if you don't cover your face then you are not allowed to do so since it would be like showing off your beauty which is forbidden.[/quote] [i]Meaning of the arabic lyric that i originally posted here was already given in another thread,, n e wayz i chose not to give it here but rather express some views !![/i] [center] erm....... Its just that, have you sisters asked some knowledgeable person about the rulings of islam on "belly" and eww "eyebrow" piercing ? [/center] Asim Zafar [i]ps: views i'm saving [/i] |
| 06/15/03 at 17:34:52 |
| Nomi |
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| Mehak |
| 06/15/03 at 01:50:34 |
| [slm] Sisters, I got my nose pierced when I was really young, and the dude didnt do it right. He pierced right on top of a vien and got infected. SO i had to let it heal and then i tried again after like a couple years and Alhamdulillah , this time it was a lady and she made sure she didnt do it on a vien. Its fine now, Alhamdulillah. But you are going to have to make sure you clean it with some kinda antiseptic everyday and all that good stuff I am sure you already know about. Have fun, [wlm] :-) |
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| eleanor |
| 06/16/03 at 06:02:43 |
| [slm] Bro Asim Zafar, Ameera is a new Muslim (alhamdulillah :)) and would have had her belly pierced and her eyebrow pierced before she reverted. I don't see what the problem with belly button piercing is, since if you dress islamically no one will see it anyway. |
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| Nomi |
| 06/16/03 at 06:30:57 |
| [quote author=eleanor link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=15#20 date=06/16/03 at 06:02:43] [slm] Ameera is a new Muslim (alhamdulillah :)) and would have had her belly pierced and her eyebrow pierced before she reverted. [/quote] Alhamdolillah thats gr8 :) ... but i was wondering about the actual ruling of islam coz its obvious that some pain is involved and hurting one's ownself is not something that islam encourages, right? Well i dunno any ruling so i can't comment more. [slm] Asim Zafar :) |
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| Kathy |
| 06/16/03 at 08:57:22 |
| [slm] Here is a copy and paste from Islam Q&A: [code]Question: Is it permissible for a Muslim teenager who wears hijab to pierce her nose or eyebrow? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. It is better not to do this, because it serves no purpose and causes pain and mutilation to the nose, and more son in the case of the eyebrow, by making holes in them. With regard to piercing the earlobes in order to wear earrings, this was the custom of women at the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so it is better to limit ourselves to that. Written by Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Barraak (www.islam-qa.com) [/code] [code]Question: What is the ruling on piercing the skin around the navel (belly-button) and inserting a metal ring? Answer: Praise be to Allaah. We put this question to Shaykh ‘‘Abd-Allaah ibn Jibreen (may Allaah preserve him), who answered as follows: This is self-inflicted torture. This is not a place where adornments are usually worn, and there is no benefit in this practice. It comes under the heading of changing the creation of Allaah. And Allaah knows best. Shaykh ‘‘Abd-Allaah ibn Jibreen (www.islam-qa.com)[/code] |
| 06/16/03 at 08:57:58 |
| Kathy |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/16/03 at 16:32:32 |
| [slm] I think its personal choice. I did study this a little. Getting your belly button pierced is like getting your ears or nose pierced. We are not to do anything that harms our body. The belly is suppose to be your dirtiest place but if its clean and you are not going to have an infection then I see no problem. no there is no self inflicted torture unless you are prone to infections. Another thing to remember is modesty and the middle path b/c as Muslims we shouldnt go into extreme. Well personally I think like tongue (which is extremely common) or anything else pierced which is not in a normal place is a little extreme. But I dont seem to think that about belly button. It looks just like a pretty ring..Also many people wear bellychains or crystals fake tatoos so some people do adorn it. (ha well I guess this wont prove any point or say anything but still just wanted to say that I know some hijabis born muslim who are really into Islam who got their belly button peirced. ) Yah and exactly what sister Eleanor said you are not showing it to anyone ofcourse and I guess if you get married then it is up to your husband. |
| 06/16/03 at 16:36:26 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| Nomi |
| 06/16/03 at 16:48:46 |
| [slm] But we have got an islamic ruling here !! if someone can bring another authentic ruling only then this'll become something over which the scholars have contradiction and only then we'll be able to chose from those rulings. At the moment there is only one ruling, i think it makes alot of sense and i was wondering... there is no proof from history of any Sahabah, tab'een or taba-tab'een doing so, hence the whole thing looks more like a cultural influence that started couple of decades back Allahu Alam [slm] Asim Zafar |
| 06/16/03 at 16:51:03 |
| Nomi |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/16/03 at 16:58:46 |
| [slm] nothing is forbidden until it is clearly expressed as forbidden by Allah (swt) or From Allah (swt) to the prophet [saw]. It might be discouraged but not forbidden. I dont think that we should make it too much of a big deal and dont make Islam hard, for Islam is eazy. There was no back up evidence on that it just said it is discouraged. It seems that many want it to be forbidden so they try to find a ruling on it Allah (swt) knows best. |
| 06/16/03 at 17:01:45 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| readagain |
| 06/16/03 at 17:01:03 |
| [slm] well lets say even if we could make it a choice..(belly button piercing)depending on keeping it clean, hidden etc. , but then dont we all agree that belly button is part of your awrah? both for men and women...so , ummm which means u cant show it to other ppl right...i mean its not something important as surgery or something like that..its for fun..and i dont think we would just let our awrah's be shown just cos ..right??? ::) |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/16/03 at 17:04:34 |
| [slm] ok sister readagain what you say makes sense. But we can show our spouse right. I don tlike to say this but I will. So if your spouse likes it then it should be actually a good thing right? Anyway the person who has it can see it and they want to do it for themselves maybe. IF it is not gonna do harm then I dont see what the problem is especially if it has not been clearly expressed as forbidden. |
| 06/16/03 at 17:05:47 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| Nomi |
| 06/16/03 at 17:06:08 |
| [quote author=readagain link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=15#26 date=06/16/03 at 17:01:03] [slm] well lets say even if we could make it a choice..(belly button piercing)depending on keeping it clean, hidden etc. , but then dont we all agree that belly button is part of your awrah? both for men and women...so , ummm which means u cant show it to other ppl right...i mean its not something important as surgery or something like that..its for fun..and i dont think we would just let our awrah's be shown just cos ..right??? ::) [/quote] Exactly, nice line of reasoning sister :) and believe me its nearly impossible to pierce one's belly button for your own :) [slm] Asim Zafar |
| 06/16/03 at 17:08:43 |
| Nomi |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/16/03 at 17:11:35 |
| [quote]and believe me its nearly impossible to pierce one's belly button for your own [/quote] this is not true at all. why do you think many hijab sisters who dont show anyone their belly but themselves would do it then? |
| 06/16/03 at 17:12:20 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| Nomi |
| 06/16/03 at 17:16:39 |
| [slm] I would like to quote Bro Abu_Hamza here [quote] How we view things are often influenced by our environment, the society in which we were raised, and things that were ingrained into our psyche when we were very young. Every child is born in a state of fitrah, but those around the child change his state to an unnatural one. Whenever we, as Muslims, look at any act, we cannot judge how virtuous or non-virtuous it is independent from the example of the Prophet (s.a.w.) Because his example is influenced by the Divine, whereas our judgment is influenced by our personal biases which are limited in their wisdom and depth of perception. If we remove the Divine from the equation, no standard remains. Things become blurry, and everyone is left to his/her own opinion. What may seem modest to one person may not necessarily be considered modest to another. Many good Christians wear loose, long skirts, with long sleeves, and refrain from dating and going to bars. But their ankles, necks, chests and hair are often left exposed. That may be modest to some people, but it would not be modest *enough* for a nun. And what may be modest for a nun is not modest enough for a believer. If showing affection to one's spouse was indicative of love between two people, then nobody had more love for their wife than the Prophet (s.a.w.) had for Aisha. Yet, there is not a single report where he held his arm over her shoulder, hugged her, or kissed her in public. He kissed her at home in love, when Aisha recited a verse of poetry to him. He played with her on the street, racing her to the house. He walked with her on the streets of Madina, and even held her hand at one occasion if I'm not mistaken. But there is no narration which shows him doing more than that with his wife in pubilc, nor is there an incident where he recommended his companions to do so. Moreover, there is no report whatsoever that shows a companion, or the latter generations behaving this way with their spouse in public. I would really like to know whether the hadith quoted above is authentic. Obviously, I'm more interested in the "arm over the shoulder" part than the "holding hands" part. If it's authentic, and assuming it's referring to a case where the couple is in public, then I would be the first one to practice it with my wife (one day, insha Allah ) If not, then ... [/quote] Furthermore the Noble Qur'an says that the best example for us is in the sunnah of Prophet [saw], i dont remember any of his wives doing that ?! [slm] Asim Zafar. |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/16/03 at 17:21:29 |
| [slm] hmm well you are not suppose to know if any of his wives or female companions did that fo rthat is a personal thing. Anway yes they are the best examples. Anyhow I dont think we should argue on this subject or try to force our thoughts on anyone or we can tell anyone that it is completely wrong to do it just because we dont like it ourselves. there might be things that you dont like that are allowed and there might be things that you like that arent allowed. same goes for me. so lets leave it to here insh'Allah? |
| 06/18/03 at 17:35:53 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| Nomi |
| 06/16/03 at 17:27:02 |
| [slm] Constructive contradiction is a blessing, anywayz peace to you sis Assalamu Alaikum A brother in islaam :) PS: As far as i know, life (even personal) of Prophet [saw] is an open book ! |
| 06/16/03 at 17:33:50 |
| Nomi |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/16/03 at 17:42:32 |
| [slm] I understand that someone may put the ruling from islamonline to this so here is my answer from beforehand to this: I do want to tell you that their are rulings which say only ear peircing is permissable but so far they have not given much evidence to support this. They said that ears are allowed b/c the companinons wore earings. how can they know for sure that any companion did not have a body peircing. even if the companions did not have body piercings this does not mean it is forbidden. This is a personal thing. I could understand though if the prophet [saw]clearly forbade body pericing and it was in a authentic hadith though?But They say body piercing is not allowed because it is an alteration but at the same time they say that colored contacts and dying hair is allowed. is this not an alteration? I understand tatoos because tatoos are permanent and can only be taken out by surgery. hence if you have a peircing this can close back up by itself if you dont wear a ring on it. ps yes true but that doesnt mean that every personal detail is open or/and definately every detail about the companions pss by the way the one above who says belly button is wrong also sais nose ring is wrong and you dont seem to have problem with that. why b/c its common in your culture psss what you write about it hurting below. lol it doesnt hurt that much at all! Its just a little more o fa pinch than getting your ears pierced. |
| 06/18/03 at 17:38:30 |
| a_Silver_Rose |
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| Nomi |
| 06/16/03 at 18:14:33 |
| [slm] It just brushed my mind.... What if there is a new fashion and guys start piercing their thighs !!! First tell me how does it sound ?! then i would like to know that if it sounds bad (and yes it does) then how'll we be able to convince them ?! coz they may say that how come you know that Prophet of islam [saw] dint do it coz thats a very private thing ? [slm] Asim Zafar PS: there is a purpose and basis for everything in islaam and the grounds on which scholars say that such piercing is not allowed is that islaam forbids hurting one's ownself |
| 06/16/03 at 18:19:46 |
| Nomi |
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| panjul |
| 06/17/03 at 01:38:44 |
| What if there is a new fashion and guys start piercing their thighs !!! Jewlry is forbidden for men. so is long hair, silk and gold [slm] |
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| theOriginal |
| 06/17/03 at 04:58:43 |
| [slm] hmm....I don't think the inflicting pain on oneself argument holds water for me.... but there is another reason why piercing bully buttons is forbidden.... let's leave it at that. Wasalaam. |
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| Nomi |
| 06/17/03 at 06:11:35 |
| [quote author=panjul link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=30#35 date=06/17/03 at 01:38:44] Jewlry is forbidden for men. so is long hair, silk and gold [slm][/quote] Long hair ?! i dont think so! and i wasn't talking about jewelry :) [quote] but there is another reason why piercing belly buttons is forbidden.... so lets leave it at that [/quote] fine with me [slm] Asim Zafar |
| 06/17/03 at 06:13:18 |
| Nomi |
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| eleanor |
| 06/17/03 at 10:21:55 |
| [slm] with all due respect bro, i don't think you should go cutting and pasting people's posts from one thread into another. Especially when the two threads are dealing with different topics. I don't know about Abu Hamza but this happened to another brother here before and he was dismayed to think that advice he had given in one thread was being given in another which he hadn't even read. He said each topic must be given an individual answer. If you have asked Abu Hamza then please forgive me :) |
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| princess |
| 06/17/03 at 18:11:59 |
| as'salaamualaikum ;D i got my nose pierced back in march 2003. alhamdulillah it didn't get infected or hurt bad. :) although, when the lady pierced it, it hurt like heck [i]Momma modified a word[/i]. :o i had ONE tear come out of my left eye (i had gotten the left side pierced). aside from that, i didn't have any pain, alhamdulillah. it cost $10 - and i got it done at a beauty salon. i would suggest for those of you who want to get it done - have wherever you go, use a earring gun. that way, it doesn't fall out when you go into sajdah ;) that way, there's a backing in your nose. yes it's a bit of a funny feeling inside at first, but you get used to it. :) i would also suggest cleaning and turning it at least 3 times a day; if not more. mine was pierced with a bit of a bigger earring; but i changed it to a really small stud, and alhamdulillah, it's fine. :) a friend of mine got it done with a needle. :o apparently it's just stabbing the needle into your nose. :o :'( :o i'm sure that hurts like heck [i]Momma made the modification again![/i]. :) but, i'm not that brave. i don't think i could handle that pain at all. :P side question: didn't the prophet (saw) have hair to his shoulders? ??? deeming it 'long?' |
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| Kathy |
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| panjul |
| 06/17/03 at 19:48:00 |
| didn't the prophet (saw) have hair to his shoulders? nape of the neck. that's not long. long is below that. |
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| princess |
| 06/17/03 at 20:49:34 |
| as'salaamualaikum ;D [quote author=panjul link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=30#40 date=06/17/03 at 19:48:00] nape of the neck. that's not long. long is below that.[/quote] nape is the back of the neck. if i saw someone with hair that lenght, i would say they have 'long' hair. |
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| Kathy |
| 06/18/03 at 08:40:40 |
| [slm] [quote]Jewlry is forbidden for men. [/quote] Prove it. |
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| wardah |
| 06/18/03 at 13:44:58 |
| [slm] I got my nose pierced yesterday! I don't feel too good about it now i have it done b coz some people are sayying it isn't allowed, but it isn't haraam is it? I went to this ear piercing shop in city centre and the lady who done it had lots of piercings on her face...her upper lip, her cheek, her eye brow and her eye lid, and she had her hair dyed purple...when i saw her i was like uh oh, it was kind of a instant reaction but then i found out she was really nice and that made me think you shouldn't judge ppl the way they look. The lady made a pen mark on the left side of my nose, asked if i was happy and then she start fiddling about with the gun on my nose and out of nowhere she pressed it and i jumped! Alhamdullilah it was alright b coz the pain only lasted for about 5 seconds. In the evening when i had to clean it with the antiseptic lotion i start feeling all dizzy and start having this black out :o In the morning when i cleaned it again nothing happened so alhamdullilah. Oh and it cost me £5.00 and £1.50 for the antiseptic lotion, have no idea how much that would be in dollars :-[ [wlm] p.s about the jewelry being forbidden for men its only gold |
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| muahmed |
| 06/18/03 at 19:38:43 |
| [quote author=sarahpasarah link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=30#41 date=06/17/03 at 20:49:34] nape is the back of the neck. if i saw someone with hair that lenght, i would say they have 'long' hair. [/quote] There are three narrations regarding the length of the hair of Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam); till the earlobes, till half the earlobes and till the shoulders. The difference in narrations is because hair grows and different people reported the hair length at different times in his life. |
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| muahmed |
| 06/18/03 at 19:39:47 |
| [slm] ;-) [quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=30#42 date=06/18/03 at 08:40:40] [slm] Prove it.[/quote] The Prophet (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) cursed those men who imitate women and those women who imitate men. (Bukhari; Muslim) Wearing silver rings is allowed. Other kinds of jewelry is traditionally associated with women and hence unlawful for men. |
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| panjul |
| 06/19/03 at 01:04:27 |
| p.s about the jewelry being forbidden for men its only gold Like brother mohammad said silver rings are allowed, not gold ones. and in any metal bracelets, earings neckleces are not allowedl. |
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| Kathy |
| 06/19/03 at 08:48:54 |
| [slm] Ya gotta provide more proof than that. In many different cultures, men wearing chains, chokers, necklaces ( insert term here) are part of a mans wardrobe. Also becareful using terms unlawful and harram. Just an interesting turn of culture. When I was growing up, in America, women were not allowed to wear pants in school. It was culturally unacceptable and dress code wise "unlawful" this was only thirty years ago. Wearing pants today, has no connotation of being man like! |
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| Nomi |
| 06/19/03 at 10:53:14 |
| [slm] Please do not relate this to wearing pants.... but i was wondering, what if majority of women start having men like hair cuts ?! shall we then be able to say that hair cuts today, has no connotation of being man like! OR conversely as majority of men shave, so thesedays, can we say the same....... ? Just a thought [slm] Asim Zafar |
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| Nomi |
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| wardah |
| 06/19/03 at 13:50:21 |
| [slm] You'll never guess what just happened to me :'( I was making wudhu for Asr and then i hear this *clink* in the sink and i was like uh ohh, and i look in the mirror and guess what?! My nose stud wasn't there!!! :( I realised that my nose stud had fallen down the sink and i began to panic cause i only just had it done and i even went into the garden to check the gutter, and thats the end of it...well actually now i've put this earing there, and it works! :) Its a little bit bigger than the original nose stud and no ones seemed to have noticed ;D I did tell my mum though and they didn't say anything 8) (they gave me the idea of the ear ring) Alhamdullilah! [] |
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| muahmed |
| 06/19/03 at 17:36:58 |
[slm] ;-) [quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=45#47 date=06/19/03 at 08:48:54] [slm] Ya gotta provide more proof than that. In many different cultures, men wearing chains, chokers, necklaces ( insert term here) are part of a mans wardrobe. [/quote] If in a culture jewelry was associated with men, it would still be unlawful for them, because Islam is a universal religion. The social aspects of one land can not bend the general laws. As understood by scholars and the salaf the hadith forbade men from jewelry and long hair as these two were associated with women and the Prophet (PBUH) severely disliked men imitating women in these manners. The Prophet's (PBUH) sunnah is above any cultural custom and value. As a further proof the allowance for men to wear a ring is a an exception of the general rule of not wearing jewelry. If men were allowed to wear jewelry there would be no need to say that they can wear a ring as it would be covered by jewelry and ornaments. |
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| Kathy |
| 06/19/03 at 17:38:51 |
| [quote author=Nomi link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=45#48 date=06/19/03 at 10:53:14] women start having men like hair cuts ?! shall we then be able to say that hair cuts today, has no connotation of being man like![/quote] [wlm] Ha Ha! Again back to the sixties! So many of the men had long hair! And Pixies were in fashion for the women! Pixies & the French Do were short and very woman like! I think you would be surprised at how many women cut their hair shortly after the birth of their first child.... |
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| muahmed |
| 06/19/03 at 17:41:12 |
| [slm] ;-) [quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=45#47 date=06/19/03 at 08:48:54] [slm] Wearing pants today, has no connotation of being man like! [/quote] It is disliked for women to dress like men and men like women. However in western societies it is common that men and women have some shared type of clothes. Scholars uphold that even in this situation it is better for women to wear distinctly feminine clothes like long skirts. If ease is allowed then they should still not buy male pants and men should still not buy female pants. I have yet to see a clothing store in USA that did not have seperate male and female clothing sections. |
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| muahmed |
| 06/19/03 at 17:46:08 |
| [slm] ;-) [quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=45#51 date=06/19/03 at 17:38:51] Ha Ha! Again back to the sixties! So many of the men had long hair! And Pixies were in fashion for the women! Pixies & the French Do were short and very woman like! [/quote] If some people tried to reverse the general trend in the sixties it should be frowned upon, and used as an example of what not to do. It can not be used as an excuse to change the general notions. Even if all non Muslim men had long hair and all non Muslim women had short hair, Muslims would still obey the sunnah of the prophet (PBUH) and the way of his male and female companions as the interpretation of hadith implies the Prophet (PBUH) wanted to preserve the trend of males having shorter hair and women having long hair. The Muslim ummah generally has preserved that trend according to the wishes of the Prophet (PBUH) and the great scholars of Islam and inshAllah it will be preserved. |
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| Nomi |
| 06/19/03 at 17:48:10 |
| [slm] [quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=45#51 date=06/19/03 at 17:38:51] [wlm] So many of the men had long hair! I think you would be surprised at how many women cut their hair shortly after the birth of their first child.... [/quote] heh :), my post above wasn't actually a Q? it was infact a food for thought !! what i meant to say was that islamic rulings dont change with different cultures, like we hear lots of complaining that xyz thing practiced in abc "islamic/arab" country is just a cultural thing and not islamic teaching, in the same way things adopted by Muslims in non-Muslim countries (cultures) that are not islamic can't just override islaamic rulings if majority of Muslims start practicing them. So if in 1960s Muslim men had extra long hair or they'll start doing it again in 2160s, in the same way if women start cutting their hair short at any stage in time then it wouldn't make this act of their's islamic, no matter in what number they start doing it. [slm] Asim Zafar PS: as far as i know women are not allowed to cut their hair short, correct me if i'm wrong |
| 06/19/03 at 17:54:14 |
| Nomi |
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| muahmed |
| 06/19/03 at 18:10:14 |
| [slm] ;-) Please see: [url]http://www.albalagh.net/qa/women_cut_hair.shtml[/url] for information on women's hair length. In short: The questioner asks about a fatwa of Sheikh Abdullah Ibn Baz that allows women to cut hair given the following 3 conditions: 1. No resemblance with men. 2. No resemblance with Kaafir women. 3. Done with the consent of husband. And Mufti Taqi Usmani affirms and agrees with the fatwa. |
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| Nomi |
| 06/19/03 at 18:42:48 |
| [slm] [quote] 1. No resemblance with men. 2. No resemblance with Kaafir women. [/quote] But the above mentioned points can be taken in a wrong sense e.g. if Majority of Muslim women cut their hair like kaafir women then other (Muslim) women may say that they are not resembling with kaafir women by cutting their hair shorter but rather they are resembling with Muslim women !! ... erm... i think i'm kinda going into hair splitting !! anywayz here is another good excerpt from the fatwa mentioned above [quote] Update: I have to make it clear that I have never issued any fatwa for the permissibility of the hair cut prevalent among the modern women which has a clear resemblance with non-Muslims. The question frequently asked here in my country was that some women cut their hair from the lower side in the belief that it will help in speedy growth of their hair and will make their hair longer in future. Cutting of the hairs in this case does not exceed a few inches. Similarly, some women do this to equate the level of their hairs from the lower side. I was frequently asked about this type of cutting. Since it does not have any resemblance with men or non-muslim women which was the basic cause of prohibition according to Imdad-ul-Fatawa v.4, p.227, and Imdad-ul-Ahkam v.4, p.354, I replied that this type of cutting or trimming is permissible. [/quote] [slm] Asim Zafar. PS: Mufti Taqi Usmani is mashAllah a gr8 scholar, hes done lots of work in islaamic banking. |
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| a_Silver_Rose |
| 06/19/03 at 19:21:19 |
| [slm] [quote]Also becareful using terms unlawful and harram[/quote] thankyou!!!!!!!!!! plz even becareful when saying something is forbidden, including belly peircing! If you think some things are discouraged thats fine but haram (unlawful) is a strong word. By the way the rulings that say belly piercing is forbidden also say that nose piercing is forbidden. but all of you who are against belly peircing dont seem to be against nose peircing? Why cause its common in your culture? same for pants, just b/c it is not common in your culture you think it is forbiden.. The prophet never forbade men to wear jewlery but he did forbid them to imitate woman. you know chains seem more men like then wearing rings. So you think that because they specifically said rings everything else is forbidden while I think that if they allow that then that might mean that everything else is ok unless done in excess. Nothing should be done in excess unless it is allowed by Allah (swt) and his messenger [quote]Please do not relate this to wearing pants.... but i was wondering, what if majority of women start having men like hair cuts ?! shall we then be able to say that hair cuts today, has no connotation of being man like! OR conversely as majority of men shave, so thesedays, can we say the same....... ? [/quote] There are women who get their hair cut like a man and there are men who get their hair cut like a woman. I know there has been times when I couldnt tell if someone was a male or a female and thats when I think that it is wrong. their are pants for a woman and there are pants for men so one is able to distinguish. Woman who have long hair dont have it cut till behind their ears and if they do then it looks like a man and men who have long hair behind their ears do not look like woman. Maybe the prophet [saw] had long hair that was cut till behind his ears since the hair was long. I think panjul was saying that the prophets hair is long in the back of the neck? Infact I dont like the look of the guitar type man who has long silky hair like woman but I do think it looks really good on a guy who has long hair that is cut to behind his ears so it is just long in the back of his neck. |
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| sofia |
| 06/19/03 at 20:06:23 |
| As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah, Umm....like, this thread could go on forever. :) Just wanted to point out one thing: There are certain rulings that refer to all cases, throughout all times, with few exceptions. Like for ex/ Men should not wear gold. There are also rulings that pertain to the culture/'urf of the people, which in most cases, necessitates 'ijtehaad, etc (for most cases we can think of, it's actually already been done to some extent). Like for ex/ Men and women should not dress to resemble one another. I'm not suggesting that nose rings, pants, short/long hair, etc., fall into one or the other two categories above. Just suggesting that we consult those who know (ie, a knowledgeable scholar), rather than our own logic to "conclude" that one case refers to all other cases, etc. Allahu A'lim. [And my post actually has nothing to do with the original intent of this thread] |
| 06/19/03 at 20:11:54 |
| sofia |
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| muahmed |
| 06/20/03 at 02:59:14 |
| [slm] ;-) [quote author=sofia link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=45#58 date=06/19/03 at 20:06:23] I'm not suggesting that nose rings, pants, short/long hair, etc., fall into one or the other two categories above. Just suggesting that we consult those who know (ie, a knowledgeable scholar), rather than our own logic to "conclude" that one case refers to all other cases, etc. [/quote] I was not giving my own fatwas but was saying what I had heard from scholars. However I truly appreciate your reminding us that we should not be issuing our own rulings. For example fatwa of Mufti Ibrahim Desai from South Africa on ear-rings and chains even of silver being forbidden for men. The Darul ul Uloom in South Africa is linked with the Indian one and uses the same curriculum as the ones in India andPaksitan I believe. I am not sure if he classified them haraam. My feeling is that they would be makrooh tahrimi in hanafi fiqh terms. The only difference between something haraam and makrooh tahrimi in hanafi fiqh is that there is no doubt in haraam and one who denies something haraam is outside the pale of Islam. If the evidence for something is not totally without doubt it is classified makrooh tahrimi. Many things that are makrooh tahrimi in hanafi fiqh are generally classified as haraam by other scholars. The category after that is makrooh tanzihi (disliked). |
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| Nomi |
| 06/20/03 at 09:23:49 |
| [slm] Just another thought.... More and more is the motto in this life, everyone likes the best "within one's means", why not the same for the hereafter! If something is not encouraged then avoiding it would be thawaab, no ? Like i said, just a thought [slm] Asim Zafar |
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| sofia |
| 06/20/03 at 09:33:41 |
| As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah, Pointing out fatwas and opinions are fine, but keep in mind, this is not a fiqh board (which some readers may mistakenly take our words for). When there is legitimate ikhtilaaf (difference of opinion; not amongst us as lay-people, but amongst our scholars), we do not necessarily have the "last word" on any particular ruling. Allahu A'lim, best to consult with someone (ie, a scholar) personally on something so specific, particularly when there is ikhtilaaf. Point well taken about something (once determined) being makrooh, that should be avoided as though it's haraam (which demonstrates more perfect faith, but is not necessarily equal in terms of shari'ah). Allah A'lim. |
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| Nomi |
| 06/20/03 at 12:33:03 |
| [slm] [quote] Allahu A'lim, best to consult with someone (ie( a scholar) personally on something so specific, particularly when there is ikhtilaaf. [/quote] Agreed. Otherwise it would take an admin/mod to stop us :) [slm] Asim Zafar. |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/20/03 at 20:42:00 |
| [slm] I would consider a watch jewelry. :) Here's what Islamonline.net said when asked the following question: Can men wear silver? If so, is there any limit on how heavy it can be or not? In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Thank you very much for having confidence in us. We appreciate your question. We ask Allah to support us in achieving the noble task placed on our shoulders, which we dedicate ourselves for and aspire to seek perfection, with the help of Allah. Dear brother in Islam, as for the ruling pertaining to men wearing silver (rings or the like), this is permissible in Islam as it is only gold and pure silk that are prohibited to be worn by Muslim men. Also, there is no limit as to the weight of the permitted silver jewelry/ornaments, but it is left to customs and conventions of each society. However, one should be moderate in all his practices in this life of ours as moderateness is the unique feature and characteristic of Islam that makes it different from all and any other religions. Consequently, one should do what is permitted but in a way that does not contradict the essence of Islam or its manners and ethics. For instance, one should not imitate women in their dress or ornaments and vice versa. The Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, declared that a woman should not wear a man’s clothing nor a man a woman’s. “He cursed men who imitate women and women who imitate men.” (Reported by Al-Bukhari and others.) Aspects of such imitation include the manner of speaking, walking, dressing, moving and so on. The evil of such conduct, which affects both the society and the life of the individual, is that it constitutes a rebellion against the natural ordering of things. According to this natural order, there are sexes: men and women, and each sex has its own distinctive characteristics. However, if men become effeminate and women masculinized, this natural order will be reversed. Among those who are cursed by Allah and His angels, both in this world and in the Hereafter, Al-Bara’ Ibn `Azib narrated: “Allah’s Messenger, peace and blessings be upon him, ordered us to do seven things and forbade us to do other seven. He ordered us: to follow the funeral procession; to visit the sick; to accept invitations; to help the oppressed; to fulfill the oaths; to return the greeting, and to reply to the sneezer: (saying, “May Allah be Merciful on you,” provided the sneezer says, “All the praises are for Allah”). He forbade us to use silver utensils and dishes and to wear golden rings, silk (clothes), Dibaj (pure silk cloth), Qissi and Istabraq (two kinds of silk cloths).” (Sahih Al-Bukhari) Allah Almighty knows best. |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/20/03 at 20:47:23 |
| [slm] [quote author=sofia link=board=sis;num=1055235625;start=60#61 date=06/20/03 at 09:33:41]When there is legitimate ikhtilaaf (difference of opinion; not amongst us as lay-people, but amongst our scholars), we do not necessarily have the "last word" on any particular ruling. [/quote] Excellent point (part of the reason why I listed an alternative view in the prior post). |
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| Abdullaah |
| 07/10/03 at 19:29:08 |
| Do you guys know eyebrow piercings are haram????? |
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