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SwordOfAllah
06/10/03 at 20:45:43
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Y is it that american muslims, are so different from worldy muslims?

 is it because of the area, enviroment.  or is it just the government differences????

    [wlm]
Sword Of Allah ;-)
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
paula
06/10/03 at 21:04:57
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Welcome to the Board Brother SwordOfAllah.... Enjoying your posts here already.... Masha'Allah

I like the question here:

I feel embarrased to ask this but was curious what differences you & other members here as well, might notice?  Do you or any of the members here see characteristics that run similar in American Muslims / non-American Muslims??  

Did you mean Native to America..... or long term American residents as well?

As odd as it may sound, most all Muslims that I know personally are not American. I have found in my small realm that those that are not American just spending time in the States, there are a fair % that seem to have a lack of dedication to the pratice of Islam.  Those residing in their own country have on a larger % been alot more practicing & alot more conscious of Islam & Allah (swt).  However I know my view is very limited so that's where my question stems.  
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06/10/03 at 21:27:53
paula
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
SwordOfAllah
06/10/03 at 22:47:39
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well, in general, i have noticed that muslims in the united states are diff, than muslims in other countries, in many ways.....

1.) muslims in other countries are more braver, because, they have to experiance servival.
2.) there being treated diff. than us, so in result they would act diff.
3.) islamic view.....(my opinion)....non american muslims, practice islam as a habit, because there, everything is based on islam.....here, we pray when the time comes, we dont think bout it, our serrounding is not islamic, and we feel shy, (not sisters) to ware islamic clothing outside, because we are americanised.....
4.) we dont see the other muslim issues as they see is, we only here bout it on the news......

~***this mabey will give u a better understanding, inshallah

      [wlm]
Sword Of Allah ;-)
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Nomi
06/10/03 at 23:33:47
[wlm] and [slm]

Well i think the question should be about Muslims living in western countries and not just America as compared to Muslims of Muslim countries.

And i've talked to many Muslims who spoke of these fears they developed over the time by living in western culture. They speak of the immense peer pressure and the need to blend in !! which some put forward as an excuse not to follow islamic teachings !!

Asim Zafar
PS: I'm not generalizing here
06/10/03 at 23:35:50
Nomi
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Kathy
06/11/03 at 12:21:30
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A different perspective:
1.) muslims in other countries are more braver, because, they have to experiance servival.

Trust me for a revert to give up his god, family, traditions, style and customs to become a Muslim is mighty brave.

2.) there being treated diff. than us, so in result they would act diff.

Reverts belong nowhere, until they have spent a significant time in the Muslim Community. They no longer belong in their society and often are not accepted in the Muslim Community.

3.) islamic view.....(my opinion)....non american muslims, practice islam as a habit, because there, everything is based on islam.....here, we pray when the time comes, we dont think bout it, our serrounding is not islamic, and we feel shy, (not sisters) to ware islamic clothing outside, because we are americanised.....

Yes, Islam is not a habit for reverts. It is very calculated in the beginning.
We appreiate the prayers and rules so much more because we have seen what happens when they are not followed.

4.) we dont see the other muslim issues as they see is, we only here about it on the news......

This sadly is true, as Mujy always called me a "brain washed American." Most, underline most, are.

Ps.... want to write more, but gotta decorate the Cheescake... Jannah, Se7en. Barr and Maliha are on their way!!

yeah!
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Anonymous
06/12/03 at 04:48:11
As salam alaikum
although many say that those muslims in the united states (and canada for that matter)
are less religious or less brave or whatever they fail to see those who practice islam in
america ARE brave.  In the western world it IS a fight to be able to practice Islam.  
Although those who grow up in the islamic world HAVE Islam, however i dont think they
APPRECIATE it.  They grow up with it and therefore many who move to the West lose it as soon as
they arrive because they are not forced to obey any longer.  In North America i feel that
the littest act like a teenager leaving class to pray juma is more brave than to be a
totally practicing muslim who does not appreciate his religion but only follows it because
any thing else would be ridiculed.  In fact, looking at this situation it is just a
juxtiposition.  A muslim in america must be brave in order to practice islam, or else fall into
the mainstream.  A muslim in the muslim world must follow Islam, or else be among the
small percentage of those who dont and be ridiculed or even harrased by government.  This is
not to say that ALL muslims in the muslim world do not appreciated or practive with full
faith.  This is defiantely not true.  I just believe it is much harder in the Western
world to obtain the same level of religiousness and thus i believe it also take a lot more
bravery

-just my thoughts :) i hope i did not offend anyone and if i did please forgive me
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Nomi
06/12/03 at 14:59:32
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Yes, we shouldn't generalize and because no one has, so its all good and no matter where we are Allah is there, His orders are there and having said that fitnah is there as well, so the battle must be fought and won inshAllah

for those of you who know urdu....... enjoy this one :)
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na chet ker sakaay nafs kay shaytaan ko toe haath paoon bhee dheelay na dalaay
es say muqabala hae umer bhar ka, kabhee yeh daba laay kabhee tuu daba laay

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heh :) it may not make sense to many

Asim Zafar.

PS: chet = "summer slam" ......... if u still dint get it, ask Mr. Wrestler :)
06/12/03 at 15:05:31
Nomi
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
BroHanif
06/12/03 at 18:12:02
Salaams,

[quote]na chet ker sakaay nafs kay shaytaan ko toe haath paoon bhee dheelay na dalaay es say muqabala hae umer bhar ka, kabhee yeh daba laay kabhee tuu daba laay [/quote]

Maanay tamari waat boa sari laagayt, tamunay Guji  avay chai maroo bhai ?

Salaams taru motoh bhai,
Hanif

NS
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
a_Silver_Rose
06/12/03 at 18:28:06
lol uncle Hanif are you saying gujrati or???
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Tesseract
06/12/03 at 20:03:51
Salaam,

        [quote]for those of you who know urdu....... enjoy this one  


na chet ker sakaay nafs kay shaytaan ko toe haath paoon bhee dheelay na dalaay
es say muqabala hae umer bhar ka, kabhee yeh daba laay kabhee tuu daba laay [/quote]

         Not sure if I really got the meaning, but whatever I got out of it, it reminded me of this:)

          Guftaar ka ghazi ban to gaya, kirdaar ka ghazi ban na saka
          Mun apna puraana paapi, barson mein namaazi ban na saka

Wassalam.

       
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Nomi
06/12/03 at 20:27:30
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ABCDs in action  :D

[quote]
Salaams taru motoh bhai,
[/quote]

HEY!!! did u just call me "mota" (fat) :P..... no way bro i'm not even near that ;)

That i think is Gujrati, i'll have to visit Pakistani Gujrat to find out  the meanings of it :) ... mind translating ?

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Asim Zafar :)

PS: here are the meanings of the one that i pasted

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-- Never stop striving IF you can't give a summer slam to the ugly Satan --
-- its an ongoing fight, at times he'll hit you, at times you'll vaporize him with that Baton --
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:)
06/12/03 at 20:36:13
Nomi
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
a_Silver_Rose
06/12/03 at 20:55:31
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hmm i think he was calling himself mota :D
06/12/03 at 20:56:21
a_Silver_Rose
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
siddiqui
06/13/03 at 00:00:46
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[quote]Guftaar ka ghazi ban to gaya, kirdaar ka ghazi ban na saka
     Mun apna puraana paapi, barson mein namaazi ban na saka  
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Reminds me of a similar sher

Masjid to bana di ek raat mein  Imaan ki hararath waloon ne
Magar Mun apna puraana paapi, barson mein namaazi ban na saka  

May allah swt protect us all from this state of affairs Ameen
[wlm]
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Nomi
06/13/03 at 09:19:34
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ABCDs in action  :)
[/quote]

btw ABCD originally stood for "American Born Confused Desi", then at mIRC we gave the word lots of twists and in the process it became "America "Based" Confused Desi" [i](just to cover more people)[/i] :P.

The current full form of an ABCD is ""Abroad" Based Confused Desi", [i] just to cover the whole western desi community :P[/i]

heh :) Written in humor, no offense intended
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Asim Zafar

PS: The word "Desi" is normally used for people of indo-pak origin but everyone is a desi when it comes to his/her homeland? :)
06/13/03 at 09:29:44
Nomi
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
a_Silver_Rose
06/14/03 at 02:55:41
ahhhh so you know what ABCD's are huh
but do you know what DCBA 's are  ;) :)
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
a_Silver_Rose
06/14/03 at 03:13:44
[quote]That i think is Gujrati, i'll have to visit Pakistani Gujrat to find out  the meanings of it  ... mind translating ? [/quote]

Im not gujrati but memon which the words are a lil similiar so I thought id give it a  try. By the way any memons on this board????


[i]Maanay tamari waat boa sari laagayt, tamunay Guji  avay chai maroo bhai ?

Salaams taru motoh bhai,
Hanif

[/i]

Mujhay aap ki sher buhoth achi lagi, (hmmm not sure but I think) aap ko gujrathi athi hai meray baih?


Salaams tumhara mota baih
Uncle Hanif

(he didnt say uncle but I have to say it for respect)

Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Nomi
06/14/03 at 17:46:20
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Thanks for the translation sis and DCBA's ?! hm................. can someone gimme a hand here :)

[slm]
Asim Zafar

ps: something tells me that desis in desistan are gonna be hit back hard :P
06/14/03 at 17:48:50
Nomi
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
a_Silver_Rose
06/15/03 at 01:12:18

We might be
American Born Confused Desi's
but you are the one who want to be like us
because
Desi Chala Bane Amrican
or
Desi Chalo Banay Amrican
and there are some who come here and dont know how to act
who are
FOBs
Fresh Off the Boat ::)
06/15/03 at 01:15:59
a_Silver_Rose
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Red
06/15/03 at 15:17:49
[slm],

Bro Hanif said in this last part at least

Salam your big (fat) brother,
Hanif



Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Nomi
06/15/03 at 17:50:03
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[quote author=a silverose link=board=bebzi;num=1055288743;start=15#17 date=06/15/03 at 01:12:18]
We might be
American Born Confused Desi's
but you are the one who want to be like us
because
Desi Chala Bane Amrican
or
Desi Chalo Banay Amrican
and there are some who come here and dont know how to act
who are
FOBs
Fresh Off the Boat ::)[/quote]

Many... yes..... Me?... nooooooo way... me is a proud Pakistani, me is quite happy with whatever i've got and whatever me has got is alhamdolillah gr8, SO.. me dont wanna be like someone else as me is me !!    :P

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Asim Zafar  :)

PS: lol @ "me is me"  :D
06/15/03 at 17:53:55
Nomi
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
a_Silver_Rose
06/17/03 at 00:44:12
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me is me tooo and no more ABCD! im muslim period! and not confused about that at all :)

DCBA also means:

Desh Chor ki Bhag Ayeeeeeeeeeee ;D
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
jaihoon
06/17/03 at 03:00:02
[quote author=a silverose link=board=bebzi;num=1055288743;start=15#15 date=06/14/03 at 03:13:44]

Im not gujrati but memon which the words are a lil similiar so I thought id give it a  try. By the way any memons on this board????

[/quote]

hey, me not a memon, but i had a friend who taught me a few words like 'mike cho' :) This was loooooooong back.

In my view, memons make an interestin class of people, great business instinct and an excellent blend of cultures

Jaihoon
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
Lil_Sista
06/21/03 at 03:59:18
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well,u know what,im from Indonesia'n have been living here for  all my life.even though we have the most muslim population in the world,lots of muslims here tend to leave Islamic values.they r  muslims only by name,the sad truth is that they r getting westernized step by step  :( :(
may Allah grant them hidaya!

peace out!

Ki Ki  :-)
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
a_Silver_Rose
06/23/03 at 00:19:38
[quote]hey, me not a memon, but i had a friend who taught me a few words like 'mike cho'  This was loooooooong back.

In my view, memons make an interestin class of people, great business instinct and an excellent blend of cultures

[/quote]

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aww thankyou thats very nice of you. yup  :D all about business huh
mike cho meaning 'tell me'? By the way I have cousins who live in Dubai so I use to go there almost every time I went to pakistan  before..very fun place. mash'Allah.

soo there are no other memons on this board besides me???
06/23/03 at 00:24:10
a_Silver_Rose
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
faisalsb
06/23/03 at 01:24:28
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Sister Silverose it sounds you are looking for match for yourself .........;) because that's the time when people in Pakistan check for ethnicity which is called "brathery" there. Even very religious people make big deal out of it and don't let their children marry outside the brathery. By the way if you are memon then you must be very rich aren't you??

I think if anyone from memon community deserve to be mentioned then that's Abdulstar Khan Eidhi. There are very few people in the world like him.
06/23/03 at 01:25:24
faisalsb
Re: american muslim - other muslims...y r they so
a_Silver_Rose
06/23/03 at 01:28:32
[quote]Sister Silverose it sounds you are looking for match for yourself .[/quote]

Lol my gosh ofcourse not...

[quote]because that's the time when people in Pakistan check for ethnicity which is called "brathery" there. Even very religious people make big deal out of it and don't let their children marry outside the brathery[/quote]

there are people like that but we are not like that... my sister married an urdu speaking man...my cousin married an indian...
06/23/03 at 01:31:19
a_Silver_Rose


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