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What'll ma Man do ?
Nomi
06/13/03 at 16:19:22
[slm] Brothers, it starts from a U shape from the front and ends up making a U shape at the back of your heads !! Guess what it is :) ? Bingo, you got it right. Its when the brothers get bald :P. Okay, first off, for those of you who are already .... plz dont take anything to heart, its just a fact of life so lets talk about it. Many brothers get bald sometime in their life :)[i] <= okay no smilies :P[/i] But i wonder what i'll do if i ever get bald [i](sounds like a nightmare !!!, ya Allah save me :) )[/i]... Have you guys done any future planning, i mean what will ye do when ye will face the ordeal ? * Wrap your hairs from the back side to your heads (like many uncles do,.. no offense) !  ;D * Shave your head !!!!!!!! * Or will ye go for hair transplant :P [i](i've heard that few types of transplants arn't allowed islamically)[/i] So what'll ma man do ;) ? [slm] Asim Zafar
06/13/03 at 16:23:01
Nomi

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
muahmed
06/13/03 at 19:11:28
[slm] ;-) I would wear a turban all the time inshAllah.

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
siddiqui
06/13/03 at 21:21:43
[slm] how about a kufi I think I will have to start looking for desginer ones soon  :P the last time i was haveing a hair cut i told my hair dresser (who is completely bald) "hey pal Iam going to join your club soon" he looks at my head thoughtfully and says with sinciere empathy " Nawwwwwwwwww dont you worry you have atleast three years left "  :-/ [wlm]  ;-)
06/14/03 at 01:29:33
siddiqui

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
a_Silver_Rose
06/14/03 at 01:17:38
[slm] awwww :D :D ok wont laugh too much :P but Ahmudlilah not all brothers get bald. I mean my dad mash'Allah hes in his late 50;s and just a little hair gone and my grandfather never lost his hair until the time of his death.. Alhmdulilah... well uhhhh insh'Allah you guys wont lose your hair either :D too bad so saddd I think the the guys hair is what actually makes him look good :(
06/15/03 at 20:31:16
a_Silver_Rose

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Yousef
06/14/03 at 01:20:49
;D Grow a beard and your Lord will bless you  :D

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
a_Silver_Rose
06/14/03 at 01:36:17
[slm] actually i think thats a good idea... IF you have gone completely bald you will probly look better w/ a beard then w/ no hair at all.....

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
siddiqui
06/14/03 at 01:59:05
[slm] A man looks better with a beard (kept neatly) with or without hair on his head  ;),but for a muslim its even more important and endearing since its the sunnah of the prophet  [saw] [wlm] ;-)

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Yousef
06/14/03 at 02:18:32
Hey, what do you mean by [i]neat[/i] for trimming is not allowed.

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
a_Silver_Rose
06/14/03 at 02:27:30
neat means clean and tidy [i]Hazrat Anas (Radiallahu anhu) reports, "Sayyidina Rasulullah (Sallallahu alaihe wasallam) often rubbed oil in his head and also often combed his beard. He put a cloth over his head, which became like an oil cloth due to the frequent use of oil." Commentary The clothing becomes oiled due to the use of oil, and this was against the noble habit of Sayyidina Rasulullah (Sallallahu alaihe wasallam), who liked cleanliness. He put a cloth over his head so that the amaamah (turban) etc. did not become stained. [/i]

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Yousef
06/14/03 at 02:39:51
Excellent, thats the right way  :)

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
muahmed
06/14/03 at 03:01:36
[slm]  ;-) [quote author=a silverose link=board=bro;num=1055531962;start=0#3 date=06/14/03 at 01:17:38] ps by the way those kufis and turbans look lil weird dont ya think... how bout just wearing a cap ::) [/quote] I think turbans ROCK! I would love wearing tradition Muslim dresses with a turban a lot more often. InshAllah when I go back to my country I will.

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Nomi
06/14/03 at 17:08:10
[slm] [quote author=Muhammad Ahmed link=board=bro;num=1055531962;start=0#10 date=06/14/03 at 03:01:36] [slm]  ;-) I think turbans ROCK! I would love wearing tradition Muslim dresses with a turban a lot more often. InshAllah when I go back to my country I will. [/quote] Although i wear a turban just on Eids but the turban ROCKS !! yes it does ;). Infact when i wear it on Eids i get alot of appreciation :) and once i had to go to middle east so i took a couple of turbans with me and when i wore them there, arabs used to start a conversation with me in arabic and when i told them that "ana mafee arif lugatul arabia" [i]that i think is not proper arabic[/i] they dint seem to believe me and thought that i'm from Syria or something  :) Anyways, as i dont even wear a round cap [i](though i should, i think.. and shalwar qameez too !!)[/i] so what would brothers of my kind do when *the* day comes? [quote] * Wrap your hairs from the back side to your heads (like many uncles do,.. no offense) !   ;D * Shave your head !!!!!!!! * Or will ye go for hair transplant  :p (i've heard that few types of transplants arn't allowed islamically) [/quote] [slm] Asim Zafar ;) ps: anybody know any rulings about those hair transplants ?
06/14/03 at 17:33:39
Nomi

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Emerald
06/14/03 at 18:24:07
Interesting question Asim. I have no idea  but it's a question worth seeking fatwa for. Anyway, I thought this topic was interesting and found it funny how some men think they should cover their balding head. :D I don't mean to make fun -- but WHY? Going completely bald is an okay thing nowadays. Just look at Montel Williams or that guy from the Star Trek movies. OR Vin Diesel OR Dr. Evil even!!!   :-/ I'm sorry, lol...but I am serious though. I say don't try to cover it unless your head has a wierd shape.

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Fahad
06/15/03 at 03:16:50
[slm] [quote]Hey, what do you mean by neat for trimming is not allowed.[/quote] trimming one's beard is not allowed in islam?  does this mean that you have to either just let it keep growing or shave it? [slm]

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Yousef
06/15/03 at 15:19:51
[slm] Brother Siddiqui sent me this link, its very benefical http://www.al-sunnah.com/pdf/beard.pdf

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Nomi
06/16/03 at 08:13:27
[slm] That document was really very informative, thanks for sharing it, jazakumullah :) and thank God all my hair are intact, brother siddique was scaring me there :P. About the neatness of beard, well i was thinking of taking part in "The most Neat Beard" contest ;) [slm] Asim Zafar.
06/16/03 at 08:22:15
Nomi

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Kathy
06/16/03 at 09:03:35
[slm] Momma Mod wants to know why men of her generation do not wear a Kufi until later on in life.... Makes me wonder if it is because they are trying to cover up something!

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Nomi
06/16/03 at 10:08:05
Momma on the offense :P. Take your position guys, the most bald will lead the battalion :D [slm] Asim Zafar ps: bro siddique, how do u like your new job :P
06/16/03 at 10:12:34
Nomi

Trimming the beard is sunnah
a_Silver_Rose
07/01/03 at 03:04:14
Trimming the beard is Sunna The following is a refutation by Shaykh Hisham Kabbani of a fatwa which states trimming the beard is haram Question: Is there a limit to growing facial hair, since some people have very thick hair which sometimes goes from the chest to the neck and even all the way to the eyes? Albani's answer: It is not permissible for the Muslim to remove any hair from the beard except what the Lawgiver has allowed. It is reported from one of the companions who narrated the hadeeth, "Leave the beard and trim the mustaches," 'Abdullaah bin 'Umar, that he used to remove from his beard what was below a fistful. Apart from that, trimming the beard is against the Sunnah, whether or not the man's beard is pleasing to him, and whether or not it is pleasing to others, for all of Allaah's creation is handsome, as in the saheeh hadeeth, where the Prophet (saw) saw a man with a long waist-shirt and ordered him to have his izaar halfway up his shins; the man gave the excuse that he had a defect in his ankles, so the Prophet (saw) said, "All of Allaah's creation is handsome." (saheeh-Ahmad and others. This phrase is actually of Qur'anic origin cf. Sajdah 32:7). Really we must memorise this hadeeth well in order to answer the misconceptions in issues like this. One who says that "my wife has a lot of hair and I do not want to go near her" should remember this hadeeth, and in fact remember the saying of Allaah: "So set your face truly to the faith, Allaah's handiwork according to the pattern on which he has made mankind, (let there be) no change in the creation of Allaah." (Rum 30:30) Also the hadeeth "Allaah has cursed the woman who tattoos and the one who asks for it, the woman who plucks the eyebrows and the one who asks for it and the woman who makes gaps in her teeth, who change the creation of Allaah for the sake of beauty." (Bukhari, narrated by 'Abdullah bin Mas'ood) These few quotes are enough as proof to show that it is not allowed to change the creation of Allaah in any way, etc. Shaykh Hisham says: The proof for the etiquette of trimming the beard is in the explicit and known practice of the Companions including, but not restricted to Ibn `Umar, and to invoke an analogy to the Prophet's order to lift up the izar is out of place, as that is a command that has a hukm of its own, namely that it is detestable to drag one's lower garment on the ground and it is desirable that the ankle-bones remain uncovered. The Prophet's original command to leave the beard is understood in the context of differing from non-Muslims, not leaving it absolutely, as is confirmed by the practice of Ibn `Umar who trimmed whatever grew in excess of a fistful. The beard of the male Muslim is one of the outward symbols of Islam and as al-Badr al-`Ayni pointed out it is important that it not be made to look unkempt and disheveled. The Prophet said: "Allah is beautiful and He loves beauty." The Tabi`i `Ata' ibn Abi Rabah said: "There is no harm in trimming a little from the length and sides of his beard, if it grows large and long" and al-Nakh`i, another Tabi`i, related that the Companions used to trim their beards on the sides. It is preposterous and reprehensible to suggest that such a trimming is against the Sunna as both they and the authorities among the Tabi`in who reported from them were certainly more knowledgeable of the Sunna than us. As the scholars said: "The Sahaba were all legally upright (`udul) by consensus (ijma`) of Muslim scholars, and it is inconceivable that they would institutionalize and set a precedent that was in direct defiance of a religious obligation." It would seem also that the fatwa given above in answer to the original question erroneously suggests for women to leave all facial hair alone equally, since the reply claims, in the section on women, that "These few quotes are enough as proof to show that it is not allowed to change the creation of Allaah in any way." In correcting this false notion we will first quote a more accurate translation of the hadith in question -- about women plucking their facial hair -- and the words of Nawawi and Ibn Hajar regarding it: The Prophet said: "May Allah curse women who wear false hair or arrange it for others, who tattoo or have themselves tattooed, who pluck facial hair or eyebrows or have them plucked, and women who separate their front teeth for beauty, altering what Allah has created." Dhahabi narrated it in al-Kaba'ir and he said: "It is agreed upon [by Bukhari and Muslim]." Ibn Hajar al-`Asqalani said in Fath al-bari (10:378) in commentary of this hadith: Nawawi said: "An exception from the prohibition of plucking away facial hair is when a woman has a beard, mustache, or hair growing between her lower lip and chin, in which cases it is not unlawful for her to remove it, but rather is commendable (mustahabb)," the permissibility being on condition that her husband knows of it and gives his permission, though it is prohibited if he does not, because of the deception it entails. The question is sometimes asked: "In what circumstances is it allowable for a male muslim to shave his beard off or not to grow one at all? Is military service a valid excuse?" To which we say: al-darurat tubihu al-mahzurat -- Necessities make prohibited things permitted. The question is to define necessity in this case. Protection of one's life, safety, livelihood, and religion all qualify as such, and in some countries military service is unavoidable except at unbearably high personal cost. Indeed in some countries the beard was made either illegal by law under threat of major punishment, such as in Republican Turkey, or a cause for harassment and persecution by the authorities as in other secular-oriented states. And Allah knows best. The best word in English on the Sunna of keeping the beard is by Nuh Keller: Ibn `Umar relates from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) that he said: "Do otherwise than those who ascribe partners to Allah (al-mushrikin): leave beards be, and trim mustaches." And ibn `Umar, when he went on hajj or `umra, grasped his beard with his hand, and removed what was in excess of it (Sahih al-Bukhari, 9 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint (9 vols. in 3). Beirut: Dar al-Jil, n.d., 7.206: 5892 and Sahih Muslim, 5 vols. Cairo 1376/1956. Reprint. Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1403/1983, 1.222: 259). In the Hanafi madhhab, there is no harm (la ba's) in trimming the edges of the beard, though the handful is sunna, for when a narrator (Ibn 'Umar, in this case), has done something in ostensive contravention to what he has narrated (the words "leave beards be"), Hanafi bases of jurisprudence say this shows that the narrator knows that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) has indicated that the original ruling has been superseded (mansukh) by a subsequent one - permitting the beard to be trimmed, in this case. But trimming it when it is already less than a handful is not permissible in the Hanafi school (Ibn 'Abidin: Radd al-muhtar 'ala al-durr al-mukhtar, 5 vols. Bulaq 1272/1855. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Ihya' al-Turath al-'Arabi, 1407/1987, 2.113). Muhammad ibn Hasan al-Shaybani reports in Kitab al-athar, from Imam Abu Hanifa, that "the sunna concerning it [the beard] is the handful, and consists in a man grasping his beard with his hand, and whatever exceeds that, he cuts" (ibid, 5.261). A Hanafi shaykh whom my wife and I study with, has told us (without mentioning a reference) that there is disagreement as to where this "handful" should begin from, some holding that one puts the index finger of it just below the lower lip, while according to others, one puts it below the bottom of the chin. The former will obviously result in a much shorter "handful." The Shafi'i scholar Imam Nawawi in his commentary on Sahih Muslim says of the above hadith: As for trimming the mustache, it is also a sunna. It is praiseworthy to begin from the right side...As for how much should be trimmed, the soundest position is that one trims it until the edge of the lip appears, not trimming it down to the roots. As for the versions of the hadith containing the words crop mustaches, (ihfu al-shawarib) they mean "crop that which grows over the lips," and Allah knows best. As for leave beards be, it means "make them ample" (Ar. tawfir, to make much, abundant, copious) and is also the meaning of make beards plenteous (awfu al-liha) in other versions of the hadith. It had been the Persians' custom to cut their beards, so the Sacred Law forbade that (Sahih Muslim bi Sharh al-Nawawi, 18 vols. Cairo 1349/1930. Reprint (18 vols. in 9). Beirut: Dar al-Fikr, 1401/1981, 3.149). Imam Baghawi records that "Malik has said, 'Shaving the mustache is an innovation (bid'a) that has appeared among people'" (Sharh al-sunna, 16 vols. Damascus: al-Maktab al-Islami, 1400/1980, 12.108). Ibn Daqiq al-`Eid says: "I do not know anyone who has understood from the command to leave beards be that it is permissible to do them up so that they seem copious, as some people do" (Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani: Fath al-Bari bi sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, 14 vols. Cairo: al-Maktaba al-Salafiyya, 1390/1970, 10.351). In his commentary on Sahih al-Bukhari, the great Hanafi hadith Imam Badr al-Din al-'Ayni says: If one objects: "What does 'leave beards be' mean, when 'to leave be' (al-i`fa') literally means 'to make plenteous,' and there are people, who, if they were to leave their beard, following the outward sense of leave beards be, their beard would become outrageous in length and width, and look disgusting, so that the person would become a topic of conversation, or a proverb" - The reply is that it is established from the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) that this hadith is conditioned by a specific context [i.e. the demand to do the contrary to what the Persians and non-Arabs did, established by the first words of the hadith], and that the amount and definition of the beard that is unlawful to leave uncut have been differed upon by the early Muslims... The meaning, in my opinion, is "as long as it does not exceed what is customary among [religious] people." `Ata' [ibn Abi Rabah, Mufti of Mecca, d. 114/732), has said, "There is no harm in trimming a little from the length and sides of his beard, if it grows large and long, in order to avoid notoriety, or if one risks being made fun of" ('Umdat al-qari sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, 20 vols. Cairo: Mustafa Babi al-Halabi, 1392/1972, 18.76) Imam Baghawi says: "'Leaving the beard be' means 'making it ample' (tawfiruha) . . . . It is related from Ibn 'Umar that he used to grasp his beard with his whole hand, then remove what was in excess of that. This was also related from Abu Hurayra. Ibrahim [al-Nakha`i, d. 108/726] said, 'They [the Sahaba] used to trim their beards on the sides'" (Sharh al-sunna, 12.1089). For trimming the beard, one may adduce as evidence the hadith of `Umar ibn Harun, from Usama ibn Zayd, from `Amr ibn Shu`ayb, from his father, from his grandfather, that the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) "used to trim from his beard, from its sides and its length" (Sunan al-Tirmidhi 5 vols. Cairo n.d. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Ihya al-Turath al-'Arabi, n.d., 5.94: 2762). The last narrator in the hadith's chain of transmission, 'Umar ibn Harun, is agreed-upon among most hadith Imams as being "fatally weak" (matruk) despite (or perhaps because of which) which, Tirmidhi mentions after citing the hadith that his own shaykh, Bukhari, had a good opinion of the narrator. The hadith perhaps remains weak, but Bukhari's opinion carries its weight. My shaykh in Shafi'i fiqh, `Abd al-Wakil Durubi used to cite it, and I have not met a single shafi`i scholar (faqih) who did not trim his beard to considerably less than the-handful-below-the-chin length. The following points can be inferred from all of the above: (1) The hadiths about "Leaving the beard be" are unconditional, that is, can be read to indicate that it is obligatory not to cut the beard at all. (2) This ruling seems to be conditioned by a number of considerations from the actual practice of the Sahaba, who were trained by the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) and intimately familiar with his appearance, such as: (a) that Ibn 'Umar, one of the most learned Sahaba and keenest in following the sunna, used to cut his beard when he went on hajj or `umra, that is, presumably in anticipation of entering the ihram or "state of pilgrim sanctity" in which it is unlawful for a Muslim to cut or otherwise remove any hairs of his beard, a situation in which a learned person could be expected to trim the maximum allowable, since he would be unable to to so (while in ihram) for some time to come. This shows that the unconditionally of the hadiths was, in Ibn `Umar's view, conditioned by trimming the beard, in all probability by instruction or example of the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace), since the Sahaba were all legally upright (`udul) by consensus (ijma`) of Muslim scholars, and it is inconceivable that they would institutionalize and set a precedent that was in direct defiance of a religious obligation. (b) Imam Baghawi reports that trimming the beard was also the practice of Abu Hurayra, another of the foremost scholars of the Sahaba, and Baghawi reports from Ibrahim al-Nakha`i, the shaykh of the early Muslim community in Iraq, that the Sahaba used to trim their beards on the sides. (c) If the earliest Muslims had all had beards down to their waists or to their knees from never cutting them, this would have been conveyed to us by hadiths, but it has not. (3) The wisdom of letting beards be, as in the above hadith of Bukhari and Muslim, is doing otherwise than the non-Muslims. Other hadiths, related in the Musannaf of Ibn Abi Shayba and other sources, explicitly state that the Persians used to shave their faces and grow their mustaches long. Distinguishing ourselves from them could be accomplished with considerably less than a long beard. (4) General Islamic values entail beauty in behavior, manners, and dress. When a man once asked if liking fine clothes and sandals was a form of arrogance, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) said, "Verily, Allah is beautiful and loves beauty" (Sahih Muslim, 1.93:91). (5) The general Islamic demand for beauty entails refinement and moderation, at minimum meaning not to deliberately seek notoriety through one's appearance. The Prophet of Islam (Allah bless him and give him peace) has said, "Whoever dresses in a garment of notoriety in this world, Allah will dress him in a garment of humiliation on Judgement Day" (Musnad al-Imam Ahmad, 6 vols. Cairo 1313/1895. Reprint. Beirut: Dar Sadir, n.d., 2.139), a well authenticated (hasan) hadith. One's standards for this are not non-Muslims, however, as the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) has said, "Whoever imitates a people is one of them" (Sunan Abi Dawud, 4 vols. Cairo n.d. Reprint (4 vols. in 2). Istanbul: al-Maktaba al-Islamiyya, n.d. 4.44: 4031). Rather, the standard is that of other religious Muslims. (6) In consideration of these general values ((4) and (5)), Imam al-`Ayni above investigates the length that obliges one to cut the beard, though he reports that the earliest authorities did not agree on this. To summarize, to have a beard is obligatory for the Muslim man. The wording of the above sahih hadith indicates it should be abundant, though this is conditioned by the `urf or common acknowledgement for it among religious, practicing Muslims. The early Muslims trimmed their beards, and there is not an unequivocal text (nass) that establishes a fixed legal limit to length and size. While the sunna is considered by many ulama to be "the handful," my own sheikhs trimmed their beards considerably closer than this, and they were ulama. It is my conviction and the premise of my approach to Islamic law that Allah will not punish the ordinary Muslim for something differed about between traditional ulama. These considerations are particularly relevant to the circumstance that Islam has now spread to virtually every race on earth, and that genetically, not man can grow a beard like Ibn `Umar's. In my view, the differing capacities make preferable the more general fiqh criteria of (1) having a beard, (2) "abundance" according to one's capacity, so it doesn't look like the shaving of the non-Muslims, (3) and well-keptness that accords with the general Islamic standards of beauty (among people who are practicing Muslims) and avoidance of notoriety -- rather than a certain mandatory length. And Allah knows best. End of Nuh Keller's words. source: www.themodernreligion.com
07/01/03 at 15:53:10
a_Silver_Rose

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
superFOB
07/03/03 at 02:26:10
[slm] Please don't cut and paste fatawas. Especially don't cut and paste fatawas which help you win an argument. Please realize that there is much difference of opinion on beard length, and that there are more important aspects of the deen to worry about, other than the beard. Another point is that not all people will accept fatawas of just any one out there and would rather stick to the ulama of their own school of thought.

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Potato
07/03/03 at 13:54:30
[quote author=superFOB link=board=bro;num=1055531962;start=15#19 date=07/03/03 at 02:26:10][slm] Please don't cut and paste fatawas. Especially don't cut and paste fatawas which help you win an argument. Please realize that there is much difference of opinion on beard length, and that there are more important aspects of the deen to worry about, other than the beard. Another point is that not all people will accept fatawas of just any one out there and would rather stick to the ulama of their own school of thought. [/quote] [slm] I don't think you should criticize people for cutting and pasting fatwas.  It's better than making up something on your own.  And many issues is Islam have  differing opinions, and it's good to see another side of an argument every once in a while, even if we don't agree with it.  Some muslims make the mistake of following a certain school of thought and easily label those who differ with them as fasiqs or whatnot.  We have to remember that the beauty of Islam is that it allows for difference of opinion.  If you're uncomfortable about discussing the issue of the beard, then don't, but don't shoot it down if others want to discuss it.  There's no such thing as a minor issue in Islam (though I do understand what you mean).  We talk about so much frivolous stuff anyway.  There's always room for the beard or the niqab or whatever else drives people crazy.   :D [slm]

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Nomi
07/03/03 at 14:14:20
[slm] [quote author=Potato link=board=bro;num=1055531962;start=15#20 date=07/03/03 at 13:54:30] There's always room for the beard or the niqab or whatever else drives people crazy.[/quote] I dont think it drived anyone crazy in here, anyways welcome on board :) and how about introducing yourself at the Zam Zam aka Bebzi stand! Asim Zafar.

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
a_Silver_Rose
07/03/03 at 16:58:16
[slm] Jazak Allah Potato [quote] Please don't cut and paste fatawas. Especially don't cut and paste fatawas which help you win an argument. Please realize that there is much difference of opinion on beard length, and that there are more important aspects of the deen to worry about, other than the beard. Another point is that not all people will accept fatawas of just any one out there and would rather stick to the ulama of their own school of thought. [/quote] I wasnt even arguing about anything so im not sure how im trying to win an argument here? I think some were worried about the 'trimming part' so I just showed that there is a difference of opinion on it.

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
muahmed
07/03/03 at 18:49:21
[slm] ;-) [quote author=superFOB link=board=bro;num=1055531962;start=15#19 date=07/03/03 at 02:26:10] Please realize that there is much difference of opinion on beard length, and that there are more important aspects of the deen to worry about, other than the beard. [/quote] I read the fatwa. It is clear that the fatwa does NOT stipulate a beard lenght. It tells you what length is sunnah and it tells you that there is an allowance in making it shorter due to many ulema making it shorter than a handful. It also says Allah will not punish you for something that is disagreed upon in the ulema (i.e. the required minimum beard length). So maybe you didn't read all of the fatwa. Also Shaykh Hisham Kabani is a very venerated and pious shaykh. Even if we can not follow his guidelines we should respect him and his opinions.

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
brother
07/03/03 at 22:22:54
Assalamu 'alaykum all you funny brothers! How about a wig with curls ;)

Re: What'll ma Man do ?
Nomi
07/04/03 at 09:13:07
[slm] You know there "are" scholars who say that beard isn't even required for men and some say the same for hijab/niqab for women (that it isn't required!), now how should we rank the fatwas of such "scholars"?. There is just a bunch of them, so shouldn't we just take the word of "jamhoor" (majority) and respected scholars as Shaykh Hisham Kabani. And I didn't know that some scholars (except many shiites) say that beard smaller than a handful is permissible!! [quote author=brother link=board=bro;num=1055531962;start=15#24 date=07/03/03 at 22:22:54] How about a wig with curls ;) [/quote] Just what i needed, someone to steer us to the original topic. Do visit here often bro :).... but a wig isn't a good idea !! [slm] Asim Zafar.
07/04/03 at 09:23:23
Nomi
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