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OK I did it
Caraj
06/27/03 at 22:17:41
After much thought over the last few week                                     Here it is I did it.                                                     :-*
06/27/03 at 22:18:30
Caraj

Re: OK I did it
bhaloo
06/28/03 at 00:59:31
[slm] You changed JUST your name or you became Muslim as well?  And by changing do you mean in REAL life or in Madinah message board life?  :D

Re: OK I did it
Abu_Hamza
06/28/03 at 01:14:01
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh, Subhan Allah! Sr. Cara! Sr. Azizah :) May Allah (swt) bless you, and continue to guide you on the Path that leads to His Pleasure, just as He has guided you thus far!  I am really, very happy for you sister.  Congratulations on being shown the way.  Congratulations on being given the strength to accept the Truth.  Congratulations ... for being chosen! May Allah (swt) give you strength to uphold your Faith, make you a beacon for guiding others to the Truth, and help you overcome any and all struggles in this life. Take care :) Allahu akbar!!   Allah, indeed, is [i]awesome[/i] :) Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh.

Re: OK I did it
panjul
06/28/03 at 01:41:57
[slm] Well Sr. Cara (Aziza, which one do you prefer?), I'm not surprised. I knew one day you would become part of our ummah. Welcome. May Allah continue to guide you and your family, as well us. Ameen. [slm]

Re: OK I did it
sal
06/28/03 at 07:08:18
[slm] It  is  wonderfullllllllll  Azizah .  ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) I will  have   more  to  say :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
06/28/03 at 07:09:41
sal

Re: OK I did it
Nomi
06/28/03 at 16:20:55
[slm] Allah-o-Akbar......... me is happy :). Although i'm the age of your youngest son but still i'll have to call you a sis :P .. congrats sis azizah. its gr8 rather gr-16 ! hey, how about typing the shahadah here like chris did, i mean give it a touch of "e" !!! plus also get your profile updated.... u know ... the SEEKER thingie wassalam A brother in islaam :)
06/28/03 at 16:24:07
Nomi

Re: OK I did it
muahmed
06/29/03 at 14:50:55
[slm] ;-) May Allah continue to shower his blessing upon you. Rejoice for you have joined an ummah that Allah has said to be the best because it enjoins what is good and forbids evil. I envy you for you are sinless and that is the best state a believer can be in!  Since you are on a fastrack to heaven, inshAllah, do make dua for sinners like me to be saved from the fire! It is reported by Sayyidina Abdullah Ibn Abbas (radhiAllah ta'ala unhu) that a man asked him: There is a man whose deeds are few but his sins are few too. Would prefer him or another man whose deeds are plenty but his sins are plentiful too? He answered: "I do no equate anything with safety from sins." -- from Kitab-uz-Zuhd by the venerated Abdullah ibn Mubarak. [i] Abdullah ibn Abbas was the son of the Prophet's [saw] uncle Sayyidina Abbas (May Allah be pleased with him). Allah blessed Abdullah ibn Abbas with abundant knowledge which was the answer to a prayer of the Prophet [saw] in his favour: "O Allah! Grant him knowledge of the Quran and understanding of the religion." [/i]

Re: OK I did it
Fozia
06/29/03 at 18:36:48
[slm] Congratulations, and what a beautiful name you've chosen Azizah-esteemed, cherished.... Wassalaam

Re: OK I did it
BroHanif
06/29/03 at 19:16:21
Salaams, Hmm so you part of the new family then Azizah or is it name change ?. Mega congrats if you have joined us, I still prefer the name Hanifa. Anyway speak to you soon. Salaams Hanif
NS

Re: OK I did it
paula
06/29/03 at 23:26:14
[slm][size=2][font=Verdana][color=Navy] ...... I miss so much when I'm away from this board Allahu Akbar ! All praise is to Allah(SubHana Wa Ta`ala), we praise Him, seek His aid, & ask His forgiveness. We seek refuge in Allah(SubHana Wa Ta`ala) from the evils of ourselves, & from the bad consequences of our deeds. Whoever Allah(SubHana Wa Ta`ala) guides there is none to take astray, & whoever Allah(SubHana Wa Ta`ala) takes astray there is none to guide. I testify that there is no God except Allah alone without any associates, &  I testify that Muhammad  [saw], is His bondservant & messenger. Indeed the best speech is the Book of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala) &  the best guidance is the guidance brought by Muhammad   [saw]. I know you have some tough issues to face in your conversion/reversion sister Caraj... I pray Allah (swt) will ease those for you.  I was thinking just the other day how maybe practicing Islam.. with time..  may itself offer support & ease in answering some of the tough questions that reside.... Insha Allah... & then I came back to find your post. In any case... I wish you the best.. you are truly very dear, Sister Azizah.... Subhan Allah [/color][/font][/size] [wlm]
06/29/03 at 23:28:27
paula

Re: OK I did it
UmmWafi
06/29/03 at 23:40:40
[slm] I have 68 cousins.  My favouritest is a sweet girl called Azizah :) Alhamdullah khair, I couldn't get access to the internet for ages and when I can, this is the first post I read.  Subhanallah.......I am now crying tears of joy for you. May Allah continue to Bless you with the sweetness of faith, the clarity of truth and the calm of inner peace.   A big huge cyber hug for mah sistah. Wassalam.

Re: OK I did it
wardah
06/30/03 at 06:04:33
[slm] Alhamdullilah thats reallly good to hear. May Allah bless you with light and guide you throughout this journey. i'm so happy for you  :-*

Re: OK I did it
theOriginal
06/30/03 at 06:37:03
[slm] MashaAllah.... lotsa love from this sista of yours. May Allah swt guide you, always.

Re: OK I did it
Learner
06/30/03 at 07:38:38
Well what can I say, I'm lost for words.... Allahu Akbar!!! I pray that Allah (swt) Blesses you immensly and keeps you steadfast upon the THE straight path. Ameen. [wlm]  ;-)

Re: OK I did it
Twilight
06/30/03 at 09:08:32
[slm] Allahu Akbar wa Subhanallah, Welcome sister, may you continue to be guided rightly and may Allah make easy for you your path ..... Whenever i read these posts it makes me want to  :D and  :'( for joy) at the same time.... again welcome [wlm]

Re: OK I did it
salaampeaceshalom
06/30/03 at 15:50:20
[slm] sis, ok so although u've still not confirmed anything, I think the majority view is that u r now Muslim, and I think ur name change is a major indication of that  ;) so, what is there to say but congrats, and to welcome u on board  :) I have to say though that it was only until I read a recent post of yours that I realised u weren't Muslim at that point.  I was like ???,  cus out of my ignorance, or dazed state of being that I'm ususally in, I just assumed u were.   so anyway, a major congrats now that u have become Muslim and I wish that ur journey, as well as all of ours, strengthens u in imaan, and causes u to arrive at the gates of jannah, ameen.

Re: OK I did it
Ameeraana
06/30/03 at 23:44:39
[slm] Subhanallah!!  Mabrook and most happiness to you.  May Allah make your path an easy one to follow.  And I like your new name!!  :) Ameera

Re: OK I did it
gift
07/01/03 at 03:52:24
[slm] Many congratulations sis azizah :-*, it's been really heartwarming, and a true education to 'watch' your journey on the board.  May Allah swt make the transition easy for you. [wlm]

Re: OK I did it
Kathy
07/01/03 at 09:25:21
[slm] ::)I feel like I am reading the story an Emporer with no Clothes. :P Did I miss a post where Cara said she became Muslim? :-) :-/ I see that she has a new log in name.... but no declaration of faith. :'(

Re: OK I did it
sofia
07/01/03 at 10:11:33
As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah, I could have sworn Cara converted a while back, but maybe that was someone else... In any case, mashaa'Allah, may God keep you steadfast, Cara, and may all of your loved ones come into the fold, as well, aameen. And nice name choice (although it's not required in most cases, in case anyone else was wondering). :-X

Misunderstanding
Caraj
07/01/03 at 13:04:40
Hi Everyone, This is very long but I hope if you have time you'll read it all. I was talking to Yasmeena on the phone last night and was like, "OMG how am I ever going to straighten this out?" She was kind and we talked. But I have spent two years with my Medina family and would never want anyone mislead and I see how not being specific as in bhaloos question in my other post. I got busy and was not reading all the post and on minute there is 3 replies and I think to myself, wow I need to mention the misunderstanding and a few days later there are 20 replies and emails and PM's. I believe there is only ONE GOD and that he goes by many names, God, Allah, etc. I believe Muhammad (PBUH) was a prophet I believe we need to be more reverent to the Almighty and because of the praying 5 times a day totally repect that in the Islamic faith. And wish to incooperate it in my life as I feel is upon my heart to do. I believe in modesty and even though I do not dress like most women in my county and show things one should not show I feel in my heart to be even more so modest than I have. This to I wish to incooperate in my life. I believe that no matter what faith we call ourselves we are all created from the one and only God/Allah and we need to be kind, loving, respectful and tollerant of each other and try to show the mercy to one another as the Almighty does to us. I don't see a need to celebrate Christmas as I can give anyone in my family a gift anytime of the year and besides, we truly don't know when Christ was born and also Christ is not about Christmas trees and presents and big dinners and all that stuff. I do not see a reason for a specific Thanksgiving as I can join with my family and be thankful to the Almightys any week not just on a once a year materialistic and commericalized holiday. I do want to particupate and observe Ramadan but I also wish to fast more than I have in the past out of respect and as a pray time toward our creator. The one thing I cannot do that would be the making or breaking of if I were or were not Muslim is I cannot say Jesus is not God in the form of man. I believe there are mysteries the Almighty has kept from us and mysteries we are not suppose to iunderstand at this point in out exsistance, maybe used as character builders, tests and sees how strong our faith is. So as a belief or a way of life??? I know I see things in my life I need to correct and change and they are the way of life of many Muslims but I also know if I do not accept all the beliefs then believing just a few does not make me a Muslim. I know some of you very conservative Muslims would not appreciate what I am about to say next but in my heart at this point I feel both Muslim and Christian. I know that seems contridictory but please do not try to read my heart. Please forgive me as I got busy with business and a thing with hubby and a real estate transaction. The name change is a heart change in some respects and also out of respect for someone who I truly admire, respect and care about, who has been a great teacher to me and who gave me the name. He has shown me the true love and concern of a brother. He has shown me acceptance no matter what I was or what I will become and that person gave me the name, he is Sal. I hope you all will forgive me. I feel so embarrassed but I wanted to be on the up and up with all of you even if that means being deported from medina.   :'( I have a 5 hour drive in a few minutes and it will be a good time to think, pray and reflect. I shall. Thank you for listening and I hope you'll forgive me for not stepping up to the plate (sort to speak) a few days ago. Many times I came close to total conversian but I cannot in my heart disbelieve what I believe about Jesus.

Re: Misunderstanding
Learner
07/01/03 at 13:41:14
[slm]    :) When I initially read ur post I was like  :o Now looking back at your original post in the other thread I'm like  :-/ for having jumped to such conclusions without any confirmations. My dear sister, irrespective of you not having embraced Islam (though your words and deeds are are much in line with the teachings of Islam - I envy you for this  ;)), I pray that we may carry on in this Madina as one family and  that Insha'Allah one day Allah (swt) opens up your heart to His love, with all His attributes and qualities, by declaring the Shahadah (Testament of Faith) and negating false attributions to Him. Ameen. Have a bebzi on me  [] Wassalaamu alaikum     :)
07/01/03 at 13:43:02
Learner

Re: Misunderstanding
Nomi
07/01/03 at 14:06:29
[slm] I dont know what to say but just wanted to comment on this part. [quote author=azizah link=board=bebzi;num=1057075481;start=0#0 date=07/01/03 at 13:04:40] I feel so embarrassed but I wanted to be on the up and up with all of you even if that means being deported from medina.   :'( [/quote] You are more than welcome here. Asim Zafar

Re: Misunderstanding
salaampeaceshalom
07/01/03 at 16:18:54
lol, this is what happens when ppl jump to conclusions. Aw, insha'Allaah when ur ready and in ur own time.  I dont think any1 will want u kicked out of here, rather, I think ppl may start to pray for you to insha'Allaah be shown the straight path someday , and then, hey lol, we'll have to do all of this again  ;). At least u were brave enough to put us right. Take care  :)
07/01/03 at 16:19:42
salaampeaceshalom

Re: Misunderstanding
BroHanif
07/01/03 at 19:39:10
Salaams, Thanks for pointing out our mistakes, it takes real guts to say what you have. Conversion to Islam is no easy process its not like ok I'm now a muslim so I don't have any questions it takes time and can take a lifetime, the same can be said of Muslims born into the faith. Learning is a life long process. Speak to you soon. Salaams Hanif
NS

Re: Misunderstanding
faisalsb
07/02/03 at 01:17:12
[slm] Dear Sister Azizah! Well I'll say if you are not totally convinced and don't see Islam as the complete truth then it's better don't convert. Because there is nothing like 80% or 90% muslim either you are muslim or you are not. I really don't know why did you need to change your name even after converting if your name is not against Islamic values then you don't need to change it. There are many cases when people convert to Islam due to different reasons and then revert back to their old religion that's worse than accepting Islam at the first place. Where ever kicking out of the board or changing of behavior towards you is concerned I think Bhalloo and Jannah are not that cruel, I hope so ........;) regarding rest of the memebers I believe you are under estimating our feelings towards you since you are not the only non muslim member of the board. So be patient and don't worry we are not going to bite you for not converting ............:)

Re: Misunderstanding
paula
07/02/03 at 07:25:39
[slm][size=2][font=Verdana][color=Navy] So now.... what exactly did you do  ??? (smile) awww...... don't feel bad Caraj... not at all. [quote]I hope you all will forgive me. [/quote] ...... I know how you ment that.... but you know how I think  ;) I think you don't need 'our' forgiveness. [quote]I feel so embarrassed but I wanted to be on the up and up with all of you even if that means being deported from medina.  :'( [/quote] ....... Does Madina have a rule of deportation for someone who is not Muslim & who is upfront & honest ?... Well, we don't vote on things either, but my vote would be for you to stay!! I'm thinking you were not Muslim the other day, you're confirmed not today (what's changed ? )  ;) I do have to say too Caraj, that I could not consciously post this without saying I am Muslim (as a convert/revert)..... I whole heartedly invite you to embrace Islam.  I understand where you are coming from & the difficulty that resides... I have to say too the hesitations involving Jesus (although that was not confirmed for me either through Christianity because each denomination cannot even agree) did not leave for me until after I embraced Islam & then after submission efforts through the practice of Islam, I went back & re-read the bible.  I have to say, the bible itself was alot cleared after embracing Islam. I suppose I should add .  Actually, I was lead to Islam or Islam brought to me by Allah (swt) . When I honestly asked inside myself.  Okay, what denomination is correct?  When I got to the point that I wanted to know the “truth” & I prayed earnestly to God.  I’ll tell you, because almost every friend or extended family member I know believes in a different denomination if any at all.  I consequently, have honestly been to many congregations, & heard many interpretations & beliefs (all under the theme of Christianity).  I witnessed many practices from the very extravagant to the very modest.  I’ve heard the harmonious singing of the meek & the earth rocking praises of the gospel.  But when I prayed earnestly to God himself for the truth.  Islam landed in my lap.... Subhan Allah. That's why I embraced it, I knew it was delivered from Allah (swt). (you know I'm starting into a book now, so I'll spare you of that) but, I pray whole heartedly Allah (swt) will removed that hesitation from your heart. Islam fits, when you embrace it, it starts to unfold itself completely & it does indeed fit.  Only Allah (swt) is able to remove the hesitation that resides & I have all the respect to you for being honest & upfront to us, but first honest & upfront to yourself.... You're very dear Caraj.... I pray the very best for you... & for all of us here. Sorry we jumped the gun & placed you in an awkward situation... I liked this statement: [quote]I dont think any1 will want u kicked out of here, rather, I think ppl may start to pray for you to insha'Allaah be shown the straight path someday , and then, hey lol, we'll have to do all of this again   .[/quote] Remember too, not one of us here is in a position to judge..... that would be Allah (swt) himself....  AL-HAKAM [wlm] [/color][/font][/size]
07/02/03 at 07:38:48
paula

Re: Misunderstanding
Caraj
07/02/03 at 13:43:20
Thank you all for the kind words. But I look back on it all and I need to take responsability. One post I am saking about changing names, one post I am asking detailed questions about husbands, dogs and covering. Then the 'I did it' post and one could only assume and besides you are all so kind and it shows you all only want the best for me and in your hearts you believe Islam is best. You all are hoping the best for me. That is why I call you my Medina family and not my Medina board friends. Like I said in the top post I sometimes feel Muslim and Christian. I admire, respect and wish to incorperate in my life many things from Islam such as diet, modesty, reverance (praying), things I see lacking in many religions. Yet I cannot turn my back on Jesus. I don't think it is ingrained in me from birth as I was raised Catholic and they never mentioned Jesus and salvation, it was more like obey the 10 commandments and be good and hopefully you'll go to heaven. It wasn't till I was a teen-ager that I became what some call a born again Christian. Talking about modesty, praying and Ramadan, I see those as things everyone should do. Christmas and all, I was one year going to ask my family if we could have a once a month dinner and exchange small personal gifts instead of this once a year commercialized and stressful holiday that they call observing Christ's birth when in actuallity I believe it came from a pagan holiday/celebration that some king or something changed to suit all in his realm, or that is what I read anyway. This is all very confusing to me and I feel so much now a part of both religions/beliefs. What a shame we can make a time travel machine and go back and tell Ismeal and Issac to share and be cool. Tell Abraham, Sara and Hagar to knock their silliness off. I'm rambling, you know what, the way I see it we all can from the same God and we all come from Adam and Eve, why so much difference? I guess we can just look at our own families and see we are all different and have our own agendas and wants. I came within minutes of the ?? Can't remember how to spell the sha? Reciting about One God and Muhammad (PBUH) being his last messaganger. But then the Bible verse so ingrained in my heart keeps popping up where Jesus said if we deny him he will deny us to the father (God) I hope this all makes sense. In my heart you are all my brothers and sisters and I mean that with all my heart. I really do. Oh and I didn't think bhaloo and jannah would kick me off the boards, I said that wrong, I guess I was expecting and I should not of, people feeling upset with me and thinking I mislead them. As for the name, I for some reason in my heart wanted an Arabic name. Sometimes one cannot explain why something is put upon their hearts. And Sal has been like the brother I never had, I could talk to him about my hubby being gone, politics and religion and children and business and I knew him before the Medina boards, he is like the brother I never had and one who is kind, loving and wise and accepting of who I am. To me it was an honor the name he picked out. All that I have said and all I post and type please all of you know has always been from the heart and sincere. Except for things that are jokes like the mens classes post
07/02/03 at 13:54:33
Caraj

Re: OK I did it
Kathy
07/02/03 at 20:53:33
[quote]the Bible verse so ingrained in my heart keeps popping up where Jesus said if we deny him he will deny us to the father (God) [/quote] What does deny mean? What does it mean to you, to deny Jesus(as)? On the day of Judgement we will all be behind our Prophet, does it have to do with this?
07/02/03 at 20:55:27
Kathy

Re: OK I did it
Abu_Hamza
07/02/03 at 21:24:37
Azizah, I'm sorry for starting this mess, as I was the first to congratulate you for something that actually never happened.   But what you said is definitely true: [quote]you all only want the best for me and in your hearts you believe Islam is best. You all are hoping the best for me.  [/quote] I pray that Allah (swt) helps you overcome your struggles.  You're right, believing in some parts of Islam and not believing in the rest does not make one a true Muslim.  And the true identity of Jesus (peace be upon him) is definitely the major difference between the Christians and the Muslims.  So until that is settled in your mind, you cannot be called a complete Muslim.  And I applaud you for your courage and honesty to clarify the misunderstanding.   I ask Allah (swt) to show you, and all of us, the Path of those that are Guided to the Truth.  And to remove from our minds and hearts *all* that distracts, veils and distances us from Him. Insha Allah my original post is not a waste.  I'll save it, for I pray I will be able to use it some time in the future :) Take care. Abu Hamza

Re: OK I did it
Halima
07/03/03 at 02:21:32
Sis, Caraj/Azizah, Attia wrote: [quote]Many congratulations sis azizah , it's been really heartwarming, and a true education to 'watch' your journey on the board.  May Allah SubHana Wa Ta`ala make the transition easy for you. [/quote] Very true indeed. I am one of the people who knows how far you have come.  And you are almost there. Abu_Hamza wrote: [quote]I pray that Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala) helps you overcome your struggles.  You're right, believing in some parts of Islam and not believing in the rest does not make one a true Muslim.  And the true identity of Jesus (peace be upon him) is definitely the major difference between the Christians and the Muslims.  So until that is settled in your mind, you cannot be called a complete Muslim.  And I applaud you for your courage and honesty to clarify the misunderstanding.[/quote] I totally agree with Bro, Abu_Hamza above.  You need to settle in your mind the difference between Jesus in Christianity and Jesus (Issa) in Islam.  Jesus is significant in Islam except for the fact that he is not the son of God nor is he God. INSHA-ALLAH, it will come to you. When it does happen, I will say:  Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar    Laaillaha Ilallaahu   Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar    Walillaahi Lihamdu! [wlm] Halima

Re: OK I did it
sofia
07/03/03 at 11:03:52
Peace, Cara/Azizah Sorry for the assumption, and I second (or third) Abu Hamza's reply. Just thought I'd bring this up as a clarification; there is a *lot* of literature on Jesus/Isa, upon him be peace in the Qur'aan and Sunnah. Most of my revert/convert friends mention it is in Islaam that they finally found peace of mind of who he truly was. And still other friends have a hard time, but mainly because of social reasons (ie, their parents are active church-goers, etc), not because they regret believing Jesus is a prophet of God. One cannot be considered a Muslim if s/he does not believe in Jesus, his prophethood, his immaculate conception, the Virgin Mary, his second coming, etc. *And* the central issue in Islaam is monotheism. God is One. The two are not a contradiction in Islaam. There is a particular passage that I was reminded of when I read your post. The Day of Resurrection is described in the Qur'aan in many places. At one point, God describes a scene in which the Prophets will be gathered. He asks them: what did you tell your people, etc (although God knows full well). Mainly to give a lesson to their followers that the Prophets spoke the truth, and it was their followers who later changed their true teachings. In fact, Isa (as) will be asked directly: "Did you tell your followers 'Worship me or my mother'"?" And he will reply (in fear): "Glory be to you! Never could I say such a thing, and if I did, You would have surely known it...I only told them what you commanded me to: 'Worship God, my Lord and your Lord." [Loose translation of al-Maa'idah/The Table Spread Out, 5:116-120] If you truly love Jesus, try to find out as much as you can about him, esp. from his own words. More of his own words are literally found in the Qur'aan than in the New Testament, btw. One final thing, Jesus is amongst the five mighty Prophets in Islaam (Noah, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, Muhammad), for their strength and endurance through hardship, upon them all be peace. [color=green]"Behold! the angels said: 'O Mary! God gives you glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to God'..." [/color] [Translation of Al-Imraan/The Family of Imraan, 3:45]
07/03/03 at 11:05:54
sofia

Re: OK I did it
rajullunyas-aa
07/03/03 at 11:41:21
[slm], jazakillahu khairan sister azizat for been courageous.

Re: OK I did it
UmmWafi
07/04/03 at 06:05:08
Dear Sis Azizah Well...after all have been said and done, Azizah is still my sweet cousin and is still a sweet name :) I hold firm to my du'a for you that Allah will guide you and grant you the sweetness of faith in the One Truth.  Insha Allah Hugs

Re: OK I did it
eleanor
07/05/03 at 09:59:48
[slm] Cara, I didn't reply to this thread yet, because to be honest I didn't know what was going on. I was a Christian (Catholic) before converting. You know it was like a huge relief to find out what Islam believes about Jesus Christ. When Jesus said things like "if you deny me, I will deny you to the father" can also be explained with Jesus in the role of a prophet. In essence he is not saying anything different than any of the other prophets. "Believe in me (as a prophet), believe in God (as one), believe in my message and you will be saved" --- I am the way the truth and the life [AS A PROPHET OF GOD - FOLLOW MY TEACHINGS AND YOU WILL BE SAVED] "Father forgive them - they know not what they do..." Jesus -  the prophet speaking to God "Say you are the Son of God" - Pontios Pilate - "It is you who has said it" - Jesus There is much much more - that's a whole different topic in itself. I don't have access to articles or websites at the moment, but maybe we can start a thread in Al-Manar to discuss this topic?

Re: OK I did it
bhaloo
07/05/03 at 10:27:36
[slm] What Abu Hamza said is correct. Regarding Jesus (a.s.) please read the following online book, Jesus and the Bible: http://www.el-haqq.com/Jesus_Bible_ebook.pdf

Re: OK I did it
sal
07/05/03 at 17:24:30
[slm] Thank  you  very  much   Azizah    for  the  nice words     . I am proud   indeed   that  you  are  my sister    ;-). and   for  example  you  know ?  when sometimes  in  a  small  family  the  brother  has  only  one  sister  (of coarse  due to   the  extraordinary  love  for  her ) , he    wishes   if  they  were  greater  in  number  with  the same   attitude   so  that  the  others  can  take  care of  her   in  case  of  his   absence . I think what  happened  is   ,,the  Madinah   family (as  you  always  call  it )  has  proved  that  they are  very  true  brothers  and sisters    I could  realize  that  you  are  in   a  reliable   tight  family  that  loves  you  and  cares  for  you   .  this  is what  I  got  through   their  posts  ,  their  big  care  and  wonderful  way they  have  gathered  you,  after  you  have   felt   that  some  misunderstandings  may  occur behind  changing  your name   I am  glad  we  are  just  an  expanded  family   with  our  brothers  and sisters  over  here   Dear  brothers and  sisters  as cara (AZIZAH)  said  the  reason  for  changing  her  name . I  think  she  has  declared   that  earlier  . but  I would  like  to  add  the  part that  it  is  me  to  answer…    perhaps    if  any  of  our  family  members  here  wants  to  know  why    their  brother  has selected   the  name  azizah particularly? It  was  not  a  random  choice  but   After we have  talked  about  it . it  didn’t  take  me  long  time  to  chose  the  name .  I didn’t try to  find  a  name  out  of  the thousands  of  names  to  pick  one  of them . just  as  name , but  I  found  myself  calling  her  what  I  feel  in  one  word  (name) that  is  the  name  azizah the meaning   is  . valuable or  significant  or  respective .  .we  call  the  most beloved  things (feminine) azizah  and  I was  fortunate  to  find an  existing  Arabic  name  with  the  meaning  I  wanted  to  hold . that was  the  other  side of  the  story   and  now   GOOD  NEWS   :) If  any  one  of  us  wants  to  address  to her  some  words  no  need  to  call  her  sister  azizah  or  dear  azizah , just  the  name   azizh  holds  all the  nice  terms .  this way  I  think  I  could  save  you a  space  for  one  word  . :) :) Wa  salam
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