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brother
07/09/03 at 18:38:50
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This is a question to those brothers and sisters who work in "High rise, hight status places". If you are the only muslim in about 300 employees. There is no prayer room. how do you manage your salats?

When you make wudho in the washroom, people will stare at you as if you are stealing or something? I know the worst that can happen is the loss of job but there is this unknown "fear", How do I get around it, what do you do? or what WOULD you do? do I pray my prayers ON TIME in that state of "is anyone watching me?" or do I leave it and pray at home relaxed, obviously Qadha?

I need practical suggestions.
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WhiteSomali
07/09/03 at 18:58:33
What country is this in?
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Caraj
07/09/03 at 19:52:50
I have a suggestion if I may?

I was wondering if this would not be a good time to share your faith?
Not in detail but as a start.

Fear and suspicion if from ignorance.

To many are raised it it inpoliet to question and ask and so instead of asking cause they really would like to know folks tend to stare, look away or whisper to others.

Maybe come up with a few appropriate and respectful comments yet with humor to ease tension.

There is one Christian use..... Cleaniliness it next to Godilness. I don't know if there is an Islamic equivilant???

I use to spend time with a person who had only one leg, they lost it to cancer as a baby.  Kids would always ask WHAT happened    :o  to your leg???
Mothers would hush and move their children away before this person could answer. They didn't mind answering but they minded being treated as a freak.

Sorry to ramble on but I see this is an opertumnity to share your faith a little.
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tq
07/09/03 at 22:16:33
Assalamo elikuim

This what I used to do(before I was laid off :) )
I tried to do wadho usually when nobody was in the restroom, and if somebody comes then they used to think that may be I am just washing my face/hands in detail :)
For salat, usually there are some conference rooms in every building/floor. Just ask the receptionist/office manager if that room is going to be vaccant at the time of salat and use that room . Also I made a card saying "Praying - please wait five minutes, thanks" and used to place it on the chair next to me or in front of me depending on the direction of Qibla.

Hope it was helpful

Wasalam
tq
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Kathy
07/09/03 at 23:07:30
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A friend of mine, who worked in a high rise, had the same problem.

She finally found a spot that no one ever went... the stairwell!
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a_Silver_Rose
07/10/03 at 01:23:14
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well i didnt work with that many employees but my boss used to let me use her personal office room to pray. I was kind of nervous because before I would go I would put on jilbab/scarf but then i got use to it. So I think maybe you can ask your boss if you can use a certain place to pray and many times they let you and also once you start doing wudu,  you will get use to it, and insh'Allah you wont feel awkward.
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AyeshaZ
07/10/03 at 03:25:35
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subhan'Allah.. sr. tq awesome naseeha about the card!!!!!  :-X

Yeah, i told my boss like the first day about praying and surprisingly i was not the first muslim she had encountered!!  []
Also, *finding out* times when the bathrooms are not crowded is hard but doable!!Wallahu A'lam
Just walk around the place and insha'Allah u'll find a perfect salah spot!! But surely at some work places it's harder than others!! insha'Allah May Allah(swt) make it easy for you. ameen..

07/10/03 at 03:26:28
AyeshaZ
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theOriginal
07/10/03 at 05:35:00
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Worked for a law firm for eight months....reeeeeally high rise, many more than 300 employees.  

I would feel really self conscience, and would walk all the way to my university (15 minutes to and back) to pray dhuhr during my lunch break.  Would eat while walking so as not to be away for more than 1 hour. heh.

I met some muslims, and one brother told me to use the client phone room to pray.  If that was busy I'd use the stairwell.  Make sure your immediate supervisor, and one other staff member is aware of the fact that you need to pray.  Just mention it in passing conversation.

Also, for wudhu...really!  I've seen people taking siestas in the washrooms.  Like, on the benches.  Once I saw that, I was no longer nervous about doing wudhu in front of people.  Generally people are curious, but they don't care.  

One thing though....I've noticed many muslims do wudhu and leave with water splashed everywhere and the floor dripping.  Wet paper towels taking up the sink.  Just avoid that, and you'll be fine.  

Wasalaam.
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superFOB
07/10/03 at 08:53:54
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If it is a big enough company, there would be a lot of conference rooms available. Find an empty one and pray there. Parking lots are also an option. The awkwardness usually goes away in a couple of days. If you are working 9-5, you only have to worry about dhuhr, or maybe 'asr.

Etiquettes[list][*]Don't leave water puddles, as the sister mentioned. Make sure you wipe all the water dry, even if you are not the one who splashed it. Paper towels are aplenty, so use them.[*]Don't leave paper cups or bottles behind in the toilet.[*]Avoid praying in your cubicle. It might offend some people.[*]Pray short rakahs.[*]Try to find a muslim brother in the company and targheeb him for salaat. Pray together, set a schedule with him. There must be another muslim in a company of this size.[*]This is also a dawa opportunity, btw. Use it wisely.[/list]
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bhaloo
07/10/03 at 09:34:17
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I used to think my job last year was a dream job.  I had an awesome salary, my own office [office, not a cubicle], the bathroom was completely private, anyone that used it, locked the door and had full access to everything in there.  But then I was layed off and found an even better opportunity.  The masjid is 5 minutes away, so now I just drive there during my lunch break for zuhr.  :)
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Twilight
07/10/03 at 11:56:26
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Alhamdulillah i also have my own office, and my boss is really cool about salat and stuff, i have an Adhan clock on my machine and if he happens to be in my office when the Adhan goes then he straight away stops and asks me when i need to go pray. My receptionists are really cool too and all i have to do is tell them "I'm on my mat"  ;) (prayer mat that is  :D) and they know to keep people from interrupting me.

As for wudu i am also one of those who waits for a quiet time then goes to the washroom....

[wlm]
T
PS ur right it really is a good opportunity to explain to people about Islam and our religeous duties.
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Barr
07/10/03 at 13:07:53
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Puddles can be really irritating.

[u]Avoiding splashes/ puddles[/u]

Take wudu' @ home and wear your socks before you break your wudu'.

So, if U need to renew your wudu' @ the office (or anywhere else), U just need to wipe over it, instead of washing your feet in the sink and making a big mess.



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brother
07/10/03 at 18:30:13
[slm] and JazakAllah khairan for your suggestions and advice

[quote]What country is this in? [/quote]
My somali brother, I really don't think that matters.  ;-)

[quote]I was wondering if this would not be a good time to share your faith?
Not in detail but as a start. [/quote]
I agree, and I make this as a motivation to keep doing my salats.

[quote]Also I made a card saying "Praying - please wait five minutes, thanks" and used to place it on the chair next to me[/quote]
Awsome idea, I loved this idea sister. I think that was my major problem. e.g. If I am praying and somebody passes by and is there asking for help, how do I let them know that I am praying. so JazakAllah khairan for that. amazing ;-)

[quote]She finally found a spot that no one ever went... the stairwell! [/quote]
well I never thought of that, BUT the stairwells actually do get used here Poeple walk up and down the stairs all the time. They like short cuts as me  ;-)

[quote]well i didnt work with that many employees but my boss used to let me use her personal office room to pray[/quote]
excellent idea again, I actually told my boss that I pray, never asked him if I can use his office. InshAllah thats what I'll do next.

[quote]subhan'Allah.. sr. tq awesome naseeha about the card!!!!![/quote]
I agree.

[quote]One thing though....I've noticed many muslims do wudhu and leave with water splashed everywhere and the floor dripping.  Wet paper towels taking up the sink.  Just avoid that, and you'll be fine.   [/quote]
Yeah I usually watch for that ;-)

[quote]If it is a big enough company, there would be a lot of conference rooms available. Find an empty one and pray there. Parking lots are also an option. The awkwardness usually goes away in a couple of days. If you are working 9-5, you only have to worry about dhuhr, or maybe 'asr.[/quote]
My job doesn't allow me to leave the desk for more than 5-10 minutes. If I go looking for an empty conferece room. I'd be in trouble. Parking lot is out of the question and I am here in the evenings.

Bro. Bhaloo, I'd love to have those priviliges.

[quote]As for wudu i am also one of those who waits for a quiet time then goes to the washroom....
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Thats basically what I do ;-) and Thank Allah for the priviliges.

[quote]So, if U need to renew your wudu' @ the office (or anywhere else), U just need to wipe over it, instead of washing your feet in the sink and making a big mess.
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SubhanAllah, I thought I was the only one who does this. ;-)
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WhiteSomali
07/11/03 at 17:04:30
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But the country does matter  ;D You said you're scared of losing your job because of making wudhu/praying, in many countries you're protected from that.

Course I dunno about France, whack place not lettin sistaz go to school rockin a hijab. Tha kinda irks me  >:( That's off topic, I just wanted to say it somewhere.

Also please check with an Imam/Sheikh about making wudhu over your socks. Aks them for evidence for their opinion, because many (most I think) don't allow wudhu over the socks, even if you put them on before breaking wudhu previously. Socks are too thin is why. I don't have the exact hadiths to show you, but that's why you should aks a Sheikh and not me  :D

[wlm]
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muahmed
07/11/03 at 17:35:17
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Masah over Regular Socks

A detailed look at the issue of wiping over socks instead of washing the feet while performing wudu.

[url]http://www.albalagh.net/qa/masah_regular_socks.shtml[/url]

The above answer is very impressive. It gives detailed evidence and explains all the hadiths related to the issue.
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Trustworthy
07/11/03 at 20:58:55
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There shouldn't be a problem about prayer.  Pray outside.  I do when it's sunny.  I'm an ITSS for the State gov't (high enough for ya'?) and we have over 500+users.  My office is a cube.  I am the only Muslim and I wear my hijab.

Proud to be a Muslim and I want everyone to know that, racist or not.  That's my jihad.

Anyways....this is what I do when it is raining, find a quiet place to pray.  Stairwell is uncomfortable so I use a conference room or ask my boss if I could use his office for 5 minutes so I can lock the door.  He knows what it's for.  In fact everyone here knows I'm a Muslim and I need to pray 5 times a day.  They know I only use 5-10 minutes (break time).  It's no big deal.  Freedom of religion.

In the beginning it was uneasy, finding people walking by and ask me later what I was doing after I was done.  Just explained it to them, and they were like "Oh."  They aren't atheists.  And those who were didn't care either.

Even my High school provided a place for me (library).  You just have to try.

Simple as that.

Ma-asalaama.....
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Trustworthy
07/11/03 at 21:04:35
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Oh about wudhu....yeah, ppl asked if I was ok when they saw me wash my face vigorously and all the way down to my feet.  As long as I cleaned up after myself, it was cool.  I just told them that I was washing up for prayer.  They find it interesting and start asking more questions.....then that's my dawa for the day  :).

Funny story.  About cleanliness...us Muslims have to wash after we use the restroom with water.  I use a big cup.  The lady sitting in the other stall heard all that running water and was like, "Did you have a lot to drink.  Sounds like a dam broke."  I just laughed and said, "Yeah, I'm fine.  Thanks."

Ma-asalaama....
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brother
07/12/03 at 02:18:10
[quote]But the country does matter   You said you're scared of losing your job because of making wudhu/praying, in many countries you're protected from that. [/quote] hmmmm. It's not France, I can tell u that much. I never said I was afraid of losing my job. Allah is the provider.

[quote]I'm an ITSS for the State gov't [/quote] What's that?


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bhaloo
07/13/03 at 22:57:56
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[quote author=WhiteSomali link=board=bro;num=1057786731;start=0#13 date=07/11/03 at 17:04:30]
Also please check with an Imam/Sheikh about making wudhu over your socks. Aks them for evidence for their opinion, because many (most I think) don't allow wudhu over the socks, even if you put them on before breaking wudhu previously. Socks are too thin is why. I don't have the exact hadiths to show you, but that's why you should aks a Sheikh and not me  :D
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This is from Islam-online.net

Question:
As-Salamu `alaykum. When making wudu’ (ablution), is it valid to wipe over leather socks with wet hands as opposed to completely washing one's feet? And what is the ruling regarding wiping over the cotton or nylon socks or stockings?  
Name of Mufti Sheikh Ahmad Kutty  

Content of Reply Wa `alaykum As-Salamu wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh.


In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.


All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger.

Dear brother in Islam, thanks for your question, which emanates from a God-fearing heart, since it shows your commitment to Prayer, the cornerstone of Islam, and purification, which is regarded by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) as half of the faith. We’d would like to commend your pursuit of Islamic knowledge.


As for wiping over leather socks in wudu’, while scholars are unanimous on the permissibility of wiping on leather socks, they are divided on the permissibility of wiping on other types of socks (i.e. cotton, nylon, etc.). Authentic scholars and mujtahids like Ibn Taymiyyah have affirmed the permissibility of wiping on such socks provided they are thick and not transparent.


In his response to the question in point, Sheikh Ahmad Kutty, a senior lecturer and Islamic scholar at the Islamic Institute of Toronto, Ontario, Canada, states:

“Wiping with wet hands on leather socks, instead of washing the feet, is considered not only permissible when done in conformity with the prescribed conditions but also reviving a Sunnah of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him). It is making use of a rukhsah (allowance) granted to us by the Law-giver and as the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, “Allah loves people to make use of His allowances just as He loves them to comply with His commandments.”

The permissibility of wiping on leather socks is agreed upon unanimously by all of the Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama`ah (mainstream Muslims). That is why it has been enumerated as a matter of creed in the book called ‘Aqidah by Imam Abu Ja`far at-Tahawi — a work that sums up all of the creedal points unanimously accepted by the Ahl as-Sunnah wa al-Jama`ah.

However, while scholars are unanimous on the permissibility of wiping on leather socks, they are divided on the permissibility of wiping on other types of socks (i.e., cotton, nylon, etc.). Some scholars have affirmed the permissibility of wiping on such socks provided that they are thick and not transparent.


In the classical manuals of Fiqh (Islamic Jurisprudence), wiping is generally taken to be restricted to leather socks. However, there is nothing in the sources to restrict the permission to leather only. The original intent of the permission was to bring ease and comfort; people normally wear socks, regardless of the material they are made of, in order to keep off dust and protect the feet from heat or cold. Since it is inconvenient to take them off all the time, permission was granted by the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) to wipe over them for a period of one day and night for a resident and three days and nights for a traveler.

That the permission to wipe on socks or stockings is not limited to leather is the view authenticated by great scholars and mujtahids such as Ibn Taymiyyah and others; the reasoning is quite clear. The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) never stated that the permission was limited to leather socks. Therefore, the same rule can be extended to all types of socks or stockings regardless of whether they are made of leather, cotton, wool, or synthetic, so long as it is halal (permitted) material.


Coming to the specific conditions of wiping, we read in the authentic traditions: “The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) allowed wiping on leather socks three days (nights inclusive) for a traveler and one day (twenty four hours) for a resident.”

There are, however, certain conditions to be considered for the permissibility of wiping such as the following:

a) Socks or stockings must be thick and not transparent so that water does not seep through when wiped over.

b) They must cover both the upper and the lower parts of the feet up to the ankle bones.

c) They must be put on after making wudu’ (ablution) or ghusl (bathing), while one is still pure.

d) One must not take them off. If one does take them off, he must take the socks off and wash the feet completely the next time he makes wudu’.

e) Wiping must not exceed the period of one full day and night in the case of a resident and three days and nights for a traveler.

f) Finally, one must remove the socks if ghusl (bathing) becomes obligatory.

To conclude: It is permissible to wipe on leather and thick cotton, wool, nylon socks or stockings. In case of those who are working in offices or factories or campuses, it may even be better for them to make use of this allowance in Shari`ah, especially where washing feet may create undue hardships or becomes a source of undue misgivings, etc. It is best for them to put on their socks after having completed ablutions in the morning; then they can continue wiping on them during the duration of their work or absence from home for a whole day or until they return home.”

Excerpted, with slight modifications, from: www.islam.ca



If you are still in need of more information, don't hesitate to contact us. Do keep in touch. May Allah guide us all to the straight path!


Allah Almighty knows best.


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bhaloo
07/13/03 at 23:19:39
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[quote author=Muhammad Ahmed link=board=bro;num=1057786731;start=0#14 date=07/11/03 at 17:35:17] [slm]


Masah over Regular Socks

A detailed look at the issue of wiping over socks instead of washing the feet while performing wudu.

[url]http://www.albalagh.net/qa/masah_regular_socks.shtml[/url]

The above answer is very impressive. It gives detailed evidence and explains all the hadiths related to the issue.
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All hadiths?  This is an exaggeration.  Yes, the response is good, and contains the evidence this scholar used in formulating his response, and I respect him for that.  {As a side note, its one of my pet peeves on here when people start giving their own opinions on fiqh related matters instead of relating what the scholars have said, but this is not the case here, but is a problem I have seen in many threads here.}

Chief Justice Taqi Usmani's words seem a bit harsh to Sayyed Abul 'Aalaa Maudoodi, maybe this is due to the translation? ???

From the link you cited it mentions this:
If the masah of the leather socks was not established from the Tawaatur or Istifaadhah (overwhelming number of narration's) then Takhsees (specification) could not have been applied on the verse of the Qur'an, which orders us to wash our feet during wudu. In this regards, Imaam Abu Yusuf (R.A.) says, "The command of the Qur'an can be abrogated by the Sunnah (traditions of the Prophet  only if it has reached the level of Tawaatur or Istifadhah, such as the level of narration's of masah 'alal khuffain." (Ahkaamul-Qur'an Lil-Jassaas, vol. 2, p.425).   In summary, Allah commands us in the Qu'ran to wash our feet when performing wudu.
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Its interesting that Imaam Abu Yusuf (r.a.) was cited, because in Ibn Rushd's Bidayat al-Mujtahid wa nihayat al-Muqtasid (The Distinguished Jurist Primer) it mentions in volume 1 section 1.1.2.13.3 the following with regards to wiping over boots:

1.1.2.13.3  Kinds of objects
About the kinds of objects that are to be wiped, the jursists upholding mash agreed upon wiping over boots, but they disagreed about socks (jawrabayn) .  One group of jurists permitted this, while another prohibited it.  Among those who prohibitied this are Malik, Al-Shafi, and Abu Hanifa.  Those who premitted it include Abu Yusuf and Muhammad, the disciples of Abu Hanifa and Sufyan al-Thawri.

{....it then goes on to discuss the reason for the disagreement...}

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This is a good article on the subject.

The Complete Guidance on the Rulings of Wiping
Author: Imaam Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaanee
Source: Tamaam-un-Nas'h fee Ahkaam-il-Mas'h, which is an appendix to his checking of the book Al-Mas'h 'alaal-Jawrabayn of Imaam Jamaal-ud-Deen Al-Qaasimee


1. Wiping over the shoes:


As for wiping over the shoes (na'alayn) [1] when performing ablution, then it has become popular amongst the contemporaries to say that it is not permissible to wipe over them. And we do not know of any evidence to support that claim, other than what has been stated by Al- Bayhaqee (rahimahullaah) in his Sunan (1/288):



"The asl is the obligation for washing the feet, unless there is an established aspect of the Sunnah that makes it more specific, or there is a consensus (ijmaa') in which there is no differing. And wiping over the shoes or the socks is not included in any of the two, and Allaah knows best."



This is what he has stated. And it is well known, unfortunately, that it indicates an unawareness of the previously mentioned ahaadeeth in this treatise [2] regarding the establishment of wiping over the socks and the shoes. And the chains of narration regarding some of them are authentic, as has been clarified previously. This is why At- Turkmanee Al-Hanafee (rahimahullaah) commented on these words, saying:



"This is incorrect, for it has preceded that At- Tirmidhee has authenticated the (hadeeth of) wiping over the socks and the shoes and declared it hasan from the hadeeth of Muzayl on Al- Mugheerah (raa). He also declared the hadeeth of Ad- Dahhaak on Abu Moosaa (raa) to be hasan. Also, Ibn Hibbaan has verified wiping over the shoes by authenticating the hadeeth of Aws (raa). Similarly, Ibn Khuzaimah [2] has authenticated the hadeeth of Ibn 'Umar (raa) on wiping over the shoes. And what Al-Bayhaqee mentioned from the hadeeth of Zayd Ibn Al-Hibaab on Ath-Thawree (meaning with the chain of narration going to Ibn 'Umar (raa) and it was stated previously) regarding wiping over the shoes, is a good hadeeth. Ibn Al- Qataan has also authenticated it on Ibn 'Umar (raa)." [Al-Jawhar-un-Naqee (1/288)]



I say that once you have come to know this, it is not permissible to even hesitate in accepting this allowance - especially after the hadeeth concerning it have been established.



This is since, as the author (Al- Qaasimee) has stated in what has been mentioned previously: "The hadeeth concerning it are authentic, thus there is no recourse other than to hear and obey."



This is especially the case after knowing that the Sahaabah acted in accordance with it. And foremost amongst them, was the rightly guided Khaleefah, 'Alee Ibn Abee Taalib (raa). Furthermore, it is the view that was held by some of the Imaams from the pious predecessors (Salaf As-Saalih), may Allaah be pleased with all of them.



Thus, Ibn Hazm (rahimahullaah) said in Al-Muhallaa (2/103):
"Issue: So if the footwear (khuff) are cut so that they fall beneath the ankles, then wiping over them is permissible. This is the opinion of Al- Awzaa'ee and it has been reported on him that he said: 'The muhrim may wipe over his shoes that come beneath the ankles...' Others have stated: 'He may not wipe over them unless they go over the ankles.'"



2. Wiping over khuffs or socks that have holes in them:



As for wiping over khuffs (leather socks) or socks that are torn with holes, then the scholars have differed in this issue with many opinions. The majority of them forbid it based on a long differing amongst them, which you can see in the detailed discussions found in the books of Fiqh and Al-Muhallaa. Other scholars held the opinion that it was permissible, and this is the opinion that we favor. Our argument for this is that: the source principle is the (absolute) allowance for wiping. So whoever forbids it, or places a condition on it - such as that they must be void of any holes - or he places limits to it, then he is refuted by the statement of the Prophet:



"Every condition that is not found in the Book of Allaah, then it is false." [Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]



It has also been authentically reported that Sufyaan Ath-Thawree (rahimahullaah) said: "Wipe over them (the socks) so long as they are attached to your feet. Were the socks of the Muhaajireen and the Ansaar anything but torn (with holes), ripped and tattered?" [Reported by 'Abd-ur-Razzaaq in Al-Musannaf (no. 753) and from that path of narration, by Al-Bayhaqee (1/283)]



Ibn Hazm (rahimahullaah)
said:
"So if there is found in the khuffs, or whatever is worn on the feet, any holes that are small or large, long or wide, such that some part of the foot is visible, whether a little or a lot, or both, then all of that is the same. And wiping over them is permissible, so long as any part of it continues to attach itself to the feet. This is the opinion of Sufyaan Ath-Thawree, Dawood, Abu Thawr, Ishaaq Ibn Raahawaih and Yazeed Ibn Haaroon." [Al-Muhallaa (2/100)]



Then he (rahimahullaah) goes on to relate the statements of the scholars that forbid it, according to what they contain from differing and contradiction. And then he goes on to refute them and explain that it is an opinion that has no evidence to support it except opinion. Then he closed that with his statement:



"However the truth in this matter is what is reported in the Sunnah, which explains the Qur'aan, in that the ruling for the two feet, which do not have any garment over them to wipe over, is that they must be washed. And the ruling for the two, if there is a garment over them, is that they can be wiped over. This is what is reported in the Sunnah 'and your Lord is not forgetful.' [Surah Maryan: 64] The Messenger (saws) knew, when he commanded for the wiping over the khuffs or whatever is worn on the feet - and he wiped over the socks - that there was large and small holes, as well as no holes, in the shoes, socks and whatever else is worn on the feet. And he (saws) also knew that there existed the footwear that was red, black or white as well as the new and the old. But he (saws) did not specify some of it over another. And if the ruling for that in the Religion varied, then Allaah would not have forgotten to send down revelation concerning it, nor would the Messenger of Allaah (saws) have neglected explaining it, far is he removed from that. Thus, it is correct that the ruling for this wiping applies to all conditions." [Al-Muhallaa (2/100)]



Also, Shaikh- ul-Islaam Ibn Taimiyyah (rahimahullaah) said in his Ikhtiyaaraat (pg. 13):
"It is permissible to wipe over the (foot) garments on one of its two sides - Ibn Tameem and others related this. It is also permissible to wipe over the khuff that has holes in it, so long as it continues to hold that name (khuff) and one is able to walk in it. This is the older of the two opinions Ash- Shaafi'ee held on it, and it is that which Abul-Barakaat and other scholars have preferred."



I say: Ar-Raafi'ee attributed this view in Sharh Al-Wajeez (2/370) to the majority of the scholars and uses as a support for it, his argument that the opinion that forbids wiping over them, narrows the door of this allowance, so one must wipe. And he was correct, may Allaah have mercy on him.



3. Does taking off the footwear that is wiped over, nullify the ablution?



The scholars have also differed concerning the one who takes off the khuff and its types after having performed ablution and wiped over them. Their differing can be divided into three opinions.



The First: His ablution is valid and he is not required to do anything.



The Second: He must wash his two feet only.



The Third: He must redo his ablution.



Each of these opinions were held by groups of scholars among the predecessors (Salaf). ' Abd-ur-Razzaaq (rahimahullaah) has transmitted their narrations regarding these opinions in his Al-Musannaf (1/210/809-813), as well as Ibn Abee Shaybah (1/187-188) and Al-Bayhaqee (1/289-290).



There is no doubt that the first opinion is what is most correct, for it is in correspondence with the essence of wiping, in that it is an allowance and a facilitation from Allaah. Thus any opinion, other than the first, would deny this facilitation, as has been stated by Ar-Raafi'ee in the previous Issue (#2). Furthermore, the other two opinions are outweighed by two arguments, based on the following two evidences:



First: It complies with the action of the rightly guided Khaleefah 'Alee Ibn Abee Taalib (raa), for we have presented previously with an authentic chain of narration, that he (raa) once broke his ablution, then performed a new one and wiped over his shoes. Then he took them off and prayed (without them).



Second: It is in compliance with the correct analogy, for indeed if one were to wipe over his head and then shave his hair off, he would not be obligated to wipe over his head again, since he would already have ablution. This is the opinion that Shaikh-ul-Islaam Ibn Taimiyyah (rahimahullaah) favored, as he states in his Ikhtiyaaraat (page 15):



"The ablution of the one who has wiped over his khuffs and turban is not canceled when he removes either of these two garments. Nor is it canceled by the cessation of its time limit (for wiping). And he is not obligated to wipe over his head nor is he required to wash his feet (because of removing the head or foot garment). This is the view of Al- Hasan Al-Basree. This (view) takes the similitude of the hair that is wiped, according to the correct opinion of the Hanbalee madh-hab and the opinion of the majority of the scholars."



This was also the view of Ibn Hazm (rahimahullaah), so refer to his words in which he argues against those that oppose it, for indeed it is valuable. [See Al- Muhallaa (2/105-109)]



As for what has been reported by Ibn Abee Shayba (1/187) and Al-Bayhaqee (1/289) on the authority of a man among the Prophet's companions, who when asked about a person that wiped over his khuffs, then took them off, said: "He should wash his feet." Then in the chain of narration of this hadeeth is Yazeed Ibn 'Abd-ir-Rahmaan ad-Daalaanee.



Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajr (rahimahullaah) said of him: "He is truthful, however he made too many mistakes in his narration. And he used to commit tadlees. Al- Bayhaqee (rahimahullaah) reported a similar narration from Abu Bakrah (raa). The narrators of this hadeeth are all reliable except for 'Alee Ibn Muhammad Al- Qurshee, for I do not know of him."



Then he (rahimahullaah) reported from Al- Mugheerah Ibn Shu'aba that he (saws) said: "Wiping over the footwear is three days for the traveler and one day for the resident, so long as he doesn't remove them."



Then he (rahimahullaah) said. "' Umar Ibn Rudaih is alone in reporting this and he is not a strong reporter."



I say that this addition of "so long as he doesn't remove them" is rejected due to the loneliness of this weak narrator in reporting it and due to the lack of there being any supporting evidence for it.


4. When does the time limit for wiping begin?


There are two well-known views of the scholars concerning this issue:



The First: It begins at the point when the ablution is broken (for the first time), after having put on the footwear.



The second: It begins at the point when the first wiping occurs after, having broken the ablution.



Abu Haneefah, Ash- Shaafi'ee, Ahmad and their companions held the first opinion. And we do not know of any evidence on their part, which deserves mentioning, other than that it was simply an opinion. It is for this reason that some of their companions (i.e. from the same madh-hab) have contradicted them, as we shall mention. Nor do we know any of the predecessors from the Sahaabah that opposed the second view, for their guide was the authentic ahaadeeth and the ruling of 'Umar Ibn Al- Khattaab (raa).



As for the Sunnah, then there are the authentic ahaadeeth, which were reported on many of the companions, in Saheeh Muslim, the Four Sunan collections, the Musnads and others. In these narrations, the Prophet (saws) commanded wiping. In some narrations he allowed the wiping. And in one narration, he (saws) prescribed wiping the length of one day and one night for the resident and three days and three nights for the traveler.



From the matters that are extremely evident, is that this hadeeth serves as a determining factor for the commencement of the time period for wiping, in that it begins immediately after the (first) wiping. It also serves as a refutation for the first opinion, since that (opinion) necessitates, as is determined in the subsidiary issues (furoo'), that the person that prays the Fajr prayer shortly before the rising of the sun, then breaks his ablution (for the first time) during the time of Fajr on the second day. Then performs a new ablution and wipes over his footwear for the first time for the Fajr prayer, that he is not permitted to wipe over them after that! So is it truthful to say that this person has performed the wiping for "a day and a night"?!



If we go according to the second opinion, the one that is most correct, then he is able to wipe over his footwear until shortly before the Fajr prayer of the third day. Rather, they hold even a more strange view than that of what we have mentioned. And it is that: "If one excretes and doesn't wipe over his footwear, such that a day and a night, or three if he is a traveler, comes to pass, after the excretion. The time limit comes to an end and wiping is not permissible after that, until he takes off his footwear, renews his ablution and then puts his footwear back on." [An-Nawawee mentioned this opinion in his Majmoo' (1/476)]



Thus, they prevent an individual from making use of this allowance (rukh-sah), basing it upon this opinion, which is in opposition to the Sunnah! For this reason, Imaam An-Nawawee (rahimahullaah) was left with no choice but to go in contradiction to his madh-hab, due to the strength of the evidence, even though he was keen not to contradict it (the Shaafi'ee madh-hab) if he was able to. So after relating the first opinion and those that held it, he (rahimahullaah) said:



"Al-Awzaa'ee and Abu Thawr said: 'The commencement of the time limit begins at the point of the (first) wiping (over the footwear) after the first breaking of the ablution.' And it is a report from Ahmad and Dawood. This is the most favorable (opinion), the one that has the most established evidences in support of it. Ibn Al- Mundhir has favored this view. And something similar to this has been related on ' Umar Ibn Al-Khattaab (raa). Al- Maawardee and Ash-Shaashee have reported on Al- Hasan Al- Basree that it begins when the footwear is put on. Those that say that the time limit begins at the point of the (first) wiping use as evidence, the following hadeeth of the Messenger of Allaah (saws): 'The traveler may wipe (over his footwear) for three days.' And these ahaadeeth are authentic as has been stated previously. This hadeeth is conclusive evidence that he (saws) wiped (over his footwear) for three days. And this would not be possible, unless the time limit began from the first wiping. And this is also because Ash- Shaafi'ee said: 'If one excretes while he is a resident, (then travels) and wipes (over his footwear) while traveling, he should completes the wiping (duration) of a traveler, for the ruling for wiping applies.' Our (Shaafi'ee) companions use the hadeeth of Safwaan (raa), which has been reported by Al-Haafidh Al-Qaasim Ibn Zakariya Al-Matrazee: '...from the time of excretion to the time of excretion...' to support their view. And this is a strange addition (to the hadeeth). It is not established. And they also use Qiyaas (judgment derived by analogy) for their claim..." [Al-Majmoo' (1/487)]



I say: If the Qiyaas that is mentioned here, is by itself correct in its validity, then for it to be accepted and used as an evidence, it must meet the condition of not contradicting the Sunnah. But if it does contradict it, as I believe it does, then it is not permissible to incline (one's view) towards it. For this reason it is said:




"When the narrations are mentioned, the deduction is nullified.
And when the influx of Allaah comes, the influx of intellect is nullified."

How can this analogy be correct, when it also contradicts the opinion of the rightly guided Khaleefah ' Umar Ibn Al-Khattaab? I know the blind followers claim to accept the authentic Sunnah when it contradicts 'Umar's opinion, as they have done regarding the issue of the pronouncement of the third divorce. So why don't they accept his opinion when it does conform with the Sunnah?! 'Abd-ur-Razzaaq has reported in Al-Musannaf on Abu 'Uthmaan An-Nahdee, who said:



"I came upon Sa'ad and Ibn 'Umar when they were both arguing in front of 'Umar (raa) concerning the issue of wiping over the khuffs. So 'Umar (raa) said: 'He can wipe over them until the same hour (of the first wiping), for that day and night.'" [Al-Musannaf (1/209/807)]



I say that its chain of narration is authentic according to the conditions of Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim. And it is a conclusive evidence for the fact that the (time limit for) wiping begins when it is first executed over the footwear, and lasts until that same hour the next day. This is what is predominantly apparent in all the narrations that have been reported on the Sahaabah concerning the time limit for the wiping, according to what we have knowledge of, from what has been reported by 'Abd-ur-Razzaaq and Ibn Abee Shayba in Al-Musannaf. As an example, I will mention what Ibn Abee Shayba (1/180) reported on 'Amr Ibn Al-Haarith, that he said:



"I traveled with 'Abdullaah to the (various) cities and he wiped over his khuffs for three days, while not taking them off at all."



Its chain of narration is saheeh according to the conditions of Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim. Thus, the narrations from the predecessors along with the Sunnah of Muhammad (saws) have agreed with what we have stated. So hold onto it and by the Will of Allaah, you will be guided.



5. Does the end of the time limit cancel the ablution?



Concerning this issue, the scholars are divided into several opinions, the most famous of which are two from the Shaafi'ee madh-hab. And they are:



The First: One is obligated to renew his ablution



The Second: It suffices him to just wash his feet



The Third: There is nothing required of him. Rather, his ablution is valid and he can pray while in its state, so long as he does not excrete or break it. This is what An-Nawawee (rahimahullaah) has stated.



I say: This third opinion is the most strongest of them. And it is that which An-Nawawee favored, also in contradiction to his madh-hab. Thus, he said: "This opinion has been related by Ibn Al- Mundhir on Al- Hasan Al-Basree, Qataadah and Sulaimaan Ibn Harb. Ibn Al- Mundhir favored it. And it is what is the most preferable and most convincing. Our (Shaafi'ee) companions have reported it from Dawood." [Al-Majmoo' (1/527)]



I say that Ash-Shi'araanee has related it to Imaam Maalik in Al-Meezaan (1/150) and An-Nawawee related it to others, so refer to it. Also, it is the opinion that Shaikh- ul-Islaam Ibn Taimiyyah took, as you have seen in his afore-mentioned words under the Third Issue, in accordance with Ibn Hazm. And this last one (Ibn Hazm) mentions that the other scholars that held this opinion, included Ibraaheem An-Nakha'ee and Ibn Abee Lailaa.



Then he (rahimahullaah) said:
"This is the view of which it is not permissible to take anyone other than it. This is since there is no mention in the reports that the ablution is annulled due to the body parts that are washed over or some of them, by the termination of the time limit for wiping. Indeed, the Prophet (saws) only forbade that someone wipe over them for more than three days for the traveler and for more than one day for the resident. So whoever holds an opinion contrary to this, then he has crammed some (false) meaning into the reports that which is not present there, and into the statement of the Prophet (saws) that which he (saws) did not say. So whoever does this mistakenly, then there is nothing upon him. And whoever does it intentionally after the argument has been established against him, then he has embarked on committing one of the major sins. And nothing cancels the ablution, except for the excretion (hadath). And this person that has correctly performed his ablution and then does not excrete, then he is in a state of purity. And anyone that is in a state of purity can pray so long as he does not excrete or so long as there does not occur a clear text stating that his purity has been canceled, even if he doesn't excrete. So this person, whose time limit for wiping has finished, he has not broken his ablution and there is no text that states that his state of purity has been annulled, whether on some of his body parts or all of them. So he is in a state of purity and can pray. This is until he excretes, at which point, he must take off his khuffs and whatever else is worn on his feet, and perform ablution. Then the time limit for wiping is renewed again. And this is the way it will always be and with Allaah lies the success." [Al-Muhallaa (2/94)]



Beirut 1370H Muhammad Naasir-ud-Deen Al-Albaanee

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In conclusion there is a difference of opinion amongst the scholars and we should respect the acceptable differences.  The Ibn Rushd book I was citing from goes into 7 conditions related to wiping over the boots (its a little lengthy) so one may read it if he/she wishes.  The MSA at the University of Houston mentions this: Wiping over socks, even if they are of thin material, is supported by a large majority of Muslim 'ulamaa', including 'Umar bin al-Khattaab, as   Imaam Nawawi has mentioned in his book Al-Majmoo' Sharh al-Muhadhdhab.
07/14/03 at 01:15:08
bhaloo
Re: suggestions?
Trustworthy
07/14/03 at 02:31:43
[slm]

ITSS: Information Technology Systems Specialist.......fancy word for computer technician.

Hey don't laugh at me.

Ma-asalaama....
Re: suggestions?
brother
07/14/03 at 17:30:23
:-/
Re: suggestions?
Trustworthy
07/14/03 at 19:42:05
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Eh...what can I say? *shrugs*

Ma-asalaama....

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Re: suggestions?
asap
07/16/03 at 04:37:32
Salam Alaikum warahmatullah,

Masha' Allah that you are making an effort in doing the obligatory prayers on time. May Allah subhana wa ta'ala give all of us [i]hidayah[/i] and [i]taufeek[/i] in doing what pleases Him.
This point though kinda bothers me:
[quote]She finally found a spot that no one ever went... the stairwell! [/quote]
I mean, how safe is that for a sister ? Did the prophet, on whom be peace and blessing of God, not encourage women to pray at home. And, if the sister must work outside, she should first take care of her well-being. May we all have Allah's protection, Ameen!

wa-salam
asap
2004 NBA Champions
bhaloo
07/14/03 at 01:33:07
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Any questions Abu Hamza? ???

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Re: 2004 NBA Champions
Abu_Hamza
07/14/03 at 01:54:11
they look even uglier in your dreams bhaloo!

:P

Wa'alaikum assalam wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh
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Nomi
07/14/03 at 08:11:32
08/13/03 at 00:18:12
timbuktu
Re: suggestions?
bismilla
08/13/03 at 05:51:04
[slm] i make whudu at the sink and use go into the loo to wipe my feet with wet tissue or towel.  I then asked a Mufti about this and he said that it was important for the water to run over the feet.  He suggested that as i was wiping my feet whilst poised WAY over the toilet anyway, i could just substitute the tissue for a small bottle of water instead.

Alhumdulillah, if you wipe and clean up after yourself when you make whudu at work, most people don't bother.

If the internal staircase is busy, how about the external fire escpae staircase if you have one? - store room - book room - library ?

The sisters idea about the card is Masha Allah a good one, Jazak Allah for that :-) Sister.

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08/13/03 at 05:59:27
bismilla
Re: suggestions?
Savaira
08/13/03 at 09:42:03
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My husband had around 10 or more muslims working in his company, they just made one room into a little masjid and they all used to get together and pray there. Wudhu was done in the near by washroom, so everyone sort of got to know what was going on when all were in there doing wudhu :) If you work in a big company, there are bound to be other muslims too, why not get everyone together and set a time to pray together. Maybe by gathering all the muslims you can all go and explain to you manager or boss, about wudhu and praying, and he can suggest a room or place where it would be ok to pray. They can't just not let you pray, its against the law(at least in the US) you know, freedom of religion ;D . Hope I was of some help, take care.
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Re: suggestions?
brother
08/13/03 at 22:46:57
Assalamu 'alaykum sister

well, actually there are no other muslims in the company. I had thought of the room idea. I actually contacted the HR department in the first few weeks when I joined to see if there was any multi-faith room in the building or the neighbouring buildings but they couldn't find anything. So I kinda gave up on it. But Alhamdulillah now I found a room that is usually empty. so I just go and pray there with the note "prayer note" guarding me. Alhamdulillah. Make dua, InshAllah we'd see more muslims around here soon and then we can "campaign" for a room  ;-)


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