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| Nisa |
| 07/16/03 at 08:35:05 |
| [slm] Pray you are all well, Ameen. I have a question regarding a shiah practise....using turbah (piece of clay) to make sujood on....what is the sunni take on the matter seeing as there are authentic hadith supporting their view? ??? Jazakhallah khairan. [wlm] :-) |
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| salaampeaceshalom |
| 07/16/03 at 08:42:25 |
| [slm] sis, Um am sure others will give u more detailed answers but for now, I just want to ask you to pls elaborate on these hadeeth because I haven't come across any 'authentic' ones, jazak'Allaah kheirn. Because without knowing which hadiths you are referring to, then I don't know how we're meant to comment :) |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/16/03 at 13:04:58 |
| [slm] Yeah. I'm not getting it too. What's their practice with the clay and sujood and what hadiths? Ma-asalaama.... |
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| superFOB |
| 07/16/03 at 19:29:30 |
| [slm] As far as I know, they consider making sujood on natural surfaces, clay preferably, as mustahab. And the clay from the grounds of karbala is the surface of choice. Usually they have a small tablet of hardened clay which they use to make sujood on. NONE of this is supported by the consensus of ahl-as-sunnah wal jamaah. IMHO, its best not to comment on or post questions regarding shia' practices. |
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| faisalsb |
| 07/17/03 at 01:45:31 |
| [slm] Well recently I have been to Iran I saw those pieces of clay in mosques but all the Shais don't use it. Even within Shias there are different concepts and traditions. Imam there who was certainly a Shai was praying while keeping his hands straight down but didn't use that piece of clay. I think those are minor fiqhi differences no need to take them seriously. Like some people raise their hands upto their shoulders before going to Raku and Sajood, some say Ameen loudly once Imam finish Surah Fatiha. Even some fiqhas have difference in number of Sunnah prayers (Not Fard prayer). Timmings of prayers are also different for different fiqhas. So I think we don't need to be bothered about it as long as they are praying let them pray. I like middle east for it's religious tolerance here nobody asks or dictates others how they are supposed to pray. No body ever asked me why don't I say Ameen loudly? Why don't I raise my hands before going to ruku or sajood and vice verca. I think that disease is for us only who origin from subcontinent we are more concerned to fix others than ourselves. And we have alot of time to comment and discuss those non-issues compare to discuss real ones. |
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| theOriginal |
| 07/17/03 at 05:15:11 |
| [slm] I don't think this is a difference of fiqh. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Wasalaam. |
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| superFOB |
| 07/17/03 at 05:32:33 |
| [slm] IMHO, its best not to comment on or post questions regarding shia' practices. Its also against the board rules. It suffices to say, stick to the sunnah as practiced by our scholars of the ahl-as-sunnah. Can some sister answer her query offline please? |
| 07/17/03 at 05:36:16 |
| superFOB |
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| faisalsb |
| 07/17/03 at 05:43:52 |
| [slm] :) Well Sister JustOne it might be more than a fiqhi difference, I am neither scholar nor hold any position to give rulling on the issue. If you want to go to that technical level that either it's difference in Deen, Sharia or Fiqha and what is the level of this difference and how much injurious it is to our Iman then I am not the right person to ask that question. The point what I tried to make is how many people are there who don't pray at all? Who are praying how many of them are praying 100% correctly apart from fiqhi differences? (Doing ruku, sajood, Qiyam etc correctly) And how many of them who are praying correctly are really implementing essence of their prayers in their daily matters also? So what is more important to us as a muslim nation to concentrate on those basic issues what I mentioned above or fight for differences which are not going to take us anywhere do they? |
| 07/17/03 at 05:46:00 |
| faisalsb |
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| theOriginal |
| 07/17/03 at 06:03:55 |
| [slm] I'm not arguing with you brother. I don't have the 'ilm to do so. I was just pointing out that it's not a difference of fiqh. Plus, I don't think sister Nisa was "fighting"...it's only natural to be curious. Personally, I think you changed the essence of her question by bringing in the following point: [quote]how many people are there who don't pray at all? Who are praying how many of them are praying 100% correctly apart from fiqhi differences? (Doing ruku, sajood, Qiyam etc correctly) And how many of them who are praying correctly are really implementing essence of their prayers in their daily matters also? [/quote] That's a different issue entirely. Sister Nisa, does it suffice it to say that Sunnis don't use the clay thingy? Wasalaam. |
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| siddiqui |
| 07/17/03 at 07:32:53 |
| [slm] I think its a prohibited topic according to the constitution, so I suggest it should be locked [wlm] |
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| bhaloo |
| 07/17/03 at 09:03:11 |
| [slm] Regarding shia practices one scholar mentioned the following: We advise you to read "Al-Khutoot al-‘Areedah" by Muhibb al-Deen al-Khateeb [this book is available in English – Translator], or Mukhtasar al-Tuhfat al-Ithna’ ‘Ashariyyah by al-Dahlawi, or Fikrat al-Taqreeb bayna Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Shee’ah by Naasir al-Qaffaari. Personally I haven't looked at those books, but this topic is not something we shouldn't be discussing here per the rules of the constitution. Therefore I'm locking this thread. |
| 07/17/03 at 09:03:47 |
| bhaloo |
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