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| lucid9 |
| 07/19/03 at 07:45:21 |
| [slm] Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why? Why do guys with so much going for them do stuff like this? Its not like he doesn't have enough thrills in his life and its not like he doesn't already have a nice wife. Maybe this is why polygamy is the solution for some guys. Don't know... |
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| jannah |
| 07/19/03 at 08:12:01 |
| [wlm] For those of us that don't follow this amazing world of sports stuff what exactly happenned?? |
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| lucid9 |
| 07/19/03 at 08:24:07 |
| [slm] Kobe = Kobe Bryant, the supposed next Michael Jordan. He had a press conference yesterday in which he started crying (it was funny in some sense) and apologizing for what he said was "committing adultery." In reality, he has been charged with sexual assualt (i.e. rape I think) of a 17 year old. This is not a guy like Mike Tyson, who suffers from manic depression. This is a guy who came from a very upper middle class background and a pretty good and well off family. So you can't really blame "the streets" for him acting so reptilian. http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0718/1582691.html |
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| bhaloo |
| 07/19/03 at 08:54:07 |
| [slm] Jannah, hello? ??? Its only on the front page of practically every newspaper in the United States. He admitted to adultery. :( From what I've read, the girl is 19 years old. Its very dishearting for his fans, his image is forever shattered. |
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| Maliha |
| 07/19/03 at 14:06:31 |
| [slm] Gosh y'all he is an athlete! Big deal...this dude aint no religious/shaykh..he is a punk playing ball..and i would hope y'all have better things to do than put your hopes and model your heroes after athletes... sigh... ::) sis, Maliha [wlm] |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 07/19/03 at 22:39:16 |
| [slm] ;D Mystic I'm thinkin you ain know much about Kobe, that boy was clean, CLEAAAANNN before all tis. He was a great GREAT roll model. When I heard this I didn't think it could be true. I was like OMG what a huge lie. I'm still so confused about this cuz Kobe was jus so so clean. He ain jus "some punk playin ball." [slm] |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 07/20/03 at 03:56:06 |
| [slm] Kobe Bryant was never my role model! And neither was Michael Jordan, except only for the purposes of the game of basketball. Walhamdulillah. However, I think what the brothers are trying to say is, Kobe is not your *usual* basketball player. Alot of today's NBA players have a gangster type lifestyle. Some have been jailed in the past. Some have known loose relationships with women. Some curse openly and frequently, and some do it through rap music. Some fight with the refs. Some fight with the fans! And the list goes on. Kobe, on the other hand, got married when he was 21 or 22. Got a kid when he was 23. He doesn't curse (openly at least). He doesn't intentionally hit people on the court. He doesn't whine with the refs. He doesn't get technical fouls. He came from a well-to-do, educated family. If an American parent (non-Muslim) is going to allow his/her child to take any NBA player as a role model, he would probably pick Kobe. And alas, this is what Kobe has done! The sad part is, if he is not convicted of sexual assault (i.e. he's not guilty), then the people will most likely overlook and forgive his act of adultery. His wife already did! Afterall, it's not such a strange thing any more in this society for people to commit adultery. Only in the case where he's convicted of sexual assault, his career and reputation are in deep trouble. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. P.S. The 19 year old girl works for a personal athletic spa at the hotel where Kobe was staying! ::) |
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| yumna |
| 07/20/03 at 12:05:22 |
| [quote][/quote] Gosh y'all he is an athlete! Big deal...this dude aint no religious/shaykh..he is a punk playing ball..and i would hope y'all have better things to do than put your hopes and model your heroes after athletes... sigh... sis, Maliha i hear ya sis an agree with u 110% really i was a lil shocked to hear them make a big issue over it i mean i think these rich an popular people who r nonmuslims r a lil like that .............no offense [wlm] |
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| ALHAIDAH |
| 07/21/03 at 09:48:06 |
| [slm] Kobe Bryant lives a lifestyle of glamour and dreams all feuled by SHAITAN. He is an adulterer and probably was permiscuios before getting married. America puts so much on the celebrity life that the young people 'want to be like' including the young muslims. I remember when I was a child, now 29, my mother read us stories of the sahaba and they were people I really enjoy(ed) hearing about as well as RASOOLI AKHRAM [saw]. These are our ROLE MODELS as muslims or at least should be. It would be nice to hear people say that a teacher inspires it's student more than a celebrity. Ma a Salaama [color=Red][Edited by Moderator][/color] |
| 07/21/03 at 10:14:16 |
| BrKhalid |
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| humble_muslim |
| 07/21/03 at 16:52:05 |
| AA "He is an adulterer and probably was permiscuios before getting married. " You have no right to say this. The Prophet (SAW) said : "It is enough for someone to become a liar simply by repeating everything he hears". So what about the case where a person repeats stuff he doesn't hear? This reminds me of a talk I heard from Sh. Mukthar many years ago in Atlanta. He was talking about secularism, including "sexual" secularism i.e the fact that the whole society, particularly the media, has thrown away all religious morals when it comes to sex. So he was talking about Ji,,y Swagart. For you young ones out there, he was a big time evangelistin the USA before getting caught with a prostitute. So Mukhtar said that he considered Swaggart to be a "victim" of the sexual secularization. I mean let's face it, when TV/Movies/Songs/Magazines-in-check-out-ailses glamourise the concept of having sex with as many people as you can, people ARE going to be affected by it. So I see this whole incident as being typical of the society we live in in the USA, and a warning that we muslims may also be affected by it. |
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| ALHAIDAH |
| 07/21/03 at 22:03:51 |
| [wlm] "He is an adulterer and probably was permiscuios before getting married. " I do have a right to say this. And I'm not going to debate you on this topic ya Akhi. I did not accuse him (mr. Bryant) of anything he didn't already admit. He admitted to being an adutlerer. And I only suggested that he led a pemiscuous life before getting married. On that I might tend to agree with you on the account of slander, ALLAHU ALIM on this subject about this person. |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 07/21/03 at 23:10:15 |
| [slm] [QUOTE] These are our ROLE MODELS as muslims or at least should be. It would be nice to hear people say that a teacher inspires it's student more than a celebrity. [/QUOTE] Maybe you don't realize it but that's more widespread than you think. And some celebrities do make great role models because they're all around good people who have managed to attain their goals in life. I also don't think you know enough about Kobe's life to criticize everything based on one event. [slm] |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/23/03 at 00:36:19 |
| [slm] Yeap. Proves money is evil in that sense that is and define clean? I don't know any athlete who is "clean" now. maybe was but not now. He deserved it. *runs for cover....noooo* Ma-asalaama...... |
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| jannah |
| 07/23/03 at 00:56:42 |
| [wlm] ok ... complete aside....... his wife's picture is in this week's Time.. she is GORGEOUS so I just don't get it... what causes someone to commit adultery? the thrill.. being 'misunderstood'... or is man polygamous by nature and after awhile just gets tired of the old wife? |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 07/23/03 at 00:57:02 |
| [slm] The stereotyping of athletes that's going on here is the equivilant to racism or islamophobia etc. And dun yuh duh say money is what caused this, because like 50% of married people in America cheat on their spouse. I'm not 100% sure of this, but I'm pretty sure most of them aren't millionaires. |
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| ALHAIDAH |
| 07/23/03 at 05:51:48 |
| For Sis Jannah "Lusftul glances which emanate from your eyes are like the arrows of Shaitan; full of poison." This is an authentic hadith of Rasulillah [saw] in Arabaeen Jamia. In it, he [saw] teaches us something about our eyes. The way we have been taught to safegaurd our tongues, similarly we must safegaurd our eyes. Whenever a person looks at somones sister or daughter and then he casts glances of lust, of course those are from Shaitan. Such glances have been compared to poison arrows because they kill one's soul. With such glances, the person may desire it lawful relations and commit adultery which will compel him to Jehannam. Muslim men are advised to lower ones gaze in the presence of woman who are made lawful to him. Likewise, Muslim woman should keep themselves shielded with Hijab or Burka while around men who are made lawful for them. One more point, is that Allah created a desire in men's hearts to enjoy the company of woman. That is why He made it lawful for a Muslim man to marry more than one woman if he has the means to do so. I'm certain of this point but maybe you should do further study on this particular subject. Yours in Islam |
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| Ruqayyah |
| 07/23/03 at 14:55:21 |
| [slm] [quote]his wife's picture is in this week's Time.. she is GORGEOUS so I just don't get it... what causes someone to commit adultery? the thrill.. being 'misunderstood'... or is man polygamous by nature and after awhile just gets tired of the old wife? [/quote] I was thinkin the same thing jannah....i was seeing it from the wife's perspective. I can't even imagine what it would be like to have your husband cheat on you. You wonder if there was anything you could have done to prevent it....but really the responsibility is on his shoulders. there's only so much a wife can to do to keep her man happy. you'd hope it would be enough to provide him a comfortable and loving home and to be loyal to him and to keep yourself lookin nice cuz you know he likes it. but i dunno, what more can a girl do? just some thoughts. and i'm totally not saying that it's her fault. everyone is responsible for their own actions. |
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| Madinat |
| 07/24/03 at 04:21:23 |
| [quote author=Abu_Hamza link=board=bro;num=1058611521;start=0#6 date=07/20/03 at 03:56:06][slm] The sad part is, if he is not convicted of sexual assault (i.e. he's not guilty), then the people will most likely overlook and forgive his act of adultery. His wife already did! Afterall, it's not such a strange thing any more in this society for people to commit adultery. :)[/quote] I have to disagree with you here. being born and raised in what a lot of people would consider the "ghetto" part of society, and then living with some of its richest, i feel like you're generalizing the entire country. MEN are almost ALWAYS forgiven for adultery. women are tossed to the side, because there's always plenty more where that one came from. it's just another example of the inequality of the sexes in this country. men are not punished or looked down upon for this behavior, it's almost ENCOURAGED. oh well on another note, Hakeem Olajuwon is from our country, and is a good role model for a lot of nigerians who came to this country to make something for themselves. my dad met him after juma once when he came to town to play a basketball game. even got his autograph because my junior brother has the same name as him [wlm] :-) |
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| lucid9 |
| 07/24/03 at 12:31:24 |
| [slm] Check this out: [color=red] According to the New York Post, People Magazine will be on the newsstands Friday with a report that Kobe has purchased a $4 million eight-carat, purple diamond ring for his wife.[/color] Talk about cheesy. Imagine the zakat his wife would have to pay on that (if she were a mozlem)! |
| 07/24/03 at 12:32:08 |
| lucid9 |
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| Lana |
| 07/24/03 at 13:05:48 |
| http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0724/1585001.html?partnersite=espn |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/24/03 at 17:20:28 |
| [slm] Money corrupts the weak minded ones like Kobe. Enough said. I mean like jannah said, his wife is pretty, why did he do it? Is his wife bad? We don't know. But what we do know is that he only cheated after he became rich and famous. Even if his wife was bad to him, doesn't give him a right to do that. He should've left her first. I mean that really hurts a woman's ego and trust. I don't think it's the nature of man to be polygamous b/c Prophet Adam never had it in his blood to have another woman. That's like saying gay ppl are born gay. Prophet Adam never had that trait nor did Hawa. Shaitan is all I could tell ya'. Ma-asalaama.... |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 07/24/03 at 21:39:57 |
| [slm] Oh my goodness please don't blame money. Kobe has been in the NBA since he graduated from high school, he never had a chance to do anything like this before he was rich. In fact being rich and famous is a DETERRENT to this kind of thing. You think it would be headline news across the nation if your next door neighbour did this? There's a good chance he does, by the way... The number of people who cheat on their spouses in America is staggeringly high. I truly think Kobe is sorry for what he did, because Kobe's tight and he's generally a good human being. Add to that all the negativity he's getting, I don't think the thought of ever cheating on his wife will cross his mind again. I definately DON'T believe he's guilty of sexual assault or w/e the charge is. [slm] ADDED: As long as we're talking about ball playaz, it's July 24th, which means, happy birtday to the greatest power forward of all time! #32 Karl Malone, but maaaayn he shoulda stayed in that Utah jersey... |
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| WhiteSomali |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/25/03 at 00:33:05 |
| [slm] "...he never had a chance to do anything like this before he was rich." and unquote. That's right, he never had a chance until he became rich. Money did it to him and so what if he felt really really bad. Boo-hoo. Tell that to his wife. He deserved it. And so what if the majority of men cheats on their wives, should he follow the crowd? Should you? Exactly. btw....I agree with you on Malone. Wasn't him and Charles Buckley who never got the NBA ring? Ma-asalaama.... |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 07/25/03 at 01:00:31 |
| [slm] [quote author=Madinat link=board=bro;num=1058611521;start=15#17 date=07/24/03 at 04:21:23]I have to disagree with you here. being born and raised in what a lot of people would consider the "ghetto" part of society, and then living with some of its richest, i feel like you're generalizing the entire country. MEN are almost ALWAYS forgiven for adultery. women are tossed to the side, because there's always plenty more where that one came from. it's just another example of the inequality of the sexes in this country. men are not punished or looked down upon for this behavior, it's almost ENCOURAGED. [/quote] Gotta agree with you sis. I stand corrected. |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 07/25/03 at 02:35:23 |
| [slm] [QUOTE] That's right, he never had a chance until he became rich. Money did it to him and so what if he felt really really bad. Boo-hoo. Tell that to his wife. He deserved it. And so what if the majority of men cheats on their wives, should he follow the crowd? Should you?[/QUOTE] No, he never had the chance to because he got rich at like 18 years old. Money didn't do it to him, and he's not some horribly corrupt helldevil, he made a mistake, and it was a big mistake, but it was a mistake. I'm sure you've made many. We all have. How would you like it if on the Last Day, despite begging for forgiveness your entire life, Allah said that to you; "S what if you feel bad? Boo-hoo" We should try to immitate Allah's attribute of mercy. And by telling you that many men (and women, alot of women do) cheat wasn't meant to justify it. Money has nothing to do with it, because all kinds of people cheat, rich, poor and in-between. [slm] ADDED: As for Karl Malone, let's face it, the reason he ain rockin that huge sick championship bling is prolly because he's always been on Utah... but really, I wish he stayed with Utah, although at least next year he'll have a chance at a Ring. I'm trying hard to get a Karl Malone Utah Road jersey now ;D Anyway, who needs a ring, take a look at this: Career Highlights Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History" Two-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1996-97, 1998-99), one of only nine players in NBA history to win the Maurice Podoloff Trophy more than once Eleven-time All-NBA First Team selection (1988-89, 1989-90, 1990-91, 1991-92, 1992-93, 1993-94, 1994-95, 1995-96, 1996-97, 1997-98 and 1998-99), two-time All-NBA Second Team selection (1987-88 and 1999-2000), and a 2000-01 All-NBA Third Team selection Three-time NBA All-Defensive First Team selection (1996-97, 1997-98 and 1998-99) and a 1987-88 NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection Fourteen-time NBA All-Star selection who played in 12 games (missed 1990 game due to injury and the 2002 game due to family illness), including 10 consecutive contests from 1991 to 2001 Named MVP of the 1989 All-Star Game in Houston after registering 28 points and nine rebounds, and named co-MVP with teammate John Stockton of the 1993 All-Star Game in Salt Lake City after tallying 28 points and 10 rebounds Ranks second all-time in points scored with 36,374, behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (38,387) Holds the NBA record most consecutive seasons scoring 2,000 or more points (11, 1987-88 to 1997-98) and shares the record with Michael Jordan for most career 2,000 point seasons (11, 1987-88 to 1997-98) Tied Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (17) for most consecutive seasons scoring at least 20.0 points per game (17, 1986-87 to 2002-03) Scored a career-high 61 points, the most by a Jazz player since the franchise moved to Utah, against the Milwaukee Bucks on 1/27/90 Scored a Jazz playoff-record 50 points and grabbed 12 boards against the Seattle SuperSoncics on 4/22/00 Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading the league in free-throws made (seven, 1988-89 to 1992-93, 1996-97, 1997-98) and most consecutive seasons leading the league in free-throws made (1988-89 to 1992-93) Passed Moses Malone (8,531) to become the NBA's all-time leader in free throws made on 3/24/01 vs. the Washington Wizards Became the all-time leader in free throws attepmted on 12/10/01 against the Mavericks Ranks second all-time in field-goals made with 13,335 behind only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (15,837) Ranks second all-time in minutes played at 53,479, trailing only Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (57,446) Ranks seventh all-time in rebounds, with 14,601 Appeared in the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals against the Chicago Bulls Named to the 1985-86 NBA All-Rookie Team and finished third in Rookie of the Year balloting after averaging 14.9 ppg and 8.9 rpg A member of the men's basketball "Dream Team" that won the gold medal at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona and the 1996 Dream Team that won gold in Atlanta Winner of the 1997-98 IBM Award During career, named NBA Player of the Week 22 times and NBA Player of the Month seven times Notched his third career triple-double with game-highs of 29 points (11-13 FG) and 12 rebounds, and 10 assists, in a 99-82 win over the L.A. Clippers on 5/4/99; recorded his second career triple-double with 32 points, 13 rebounds and 10 assists against the Toronto Raptors on 2/27/97 Twelve-time NBA All-Interview First Team selection and 1999-2000 All-Interview Second Team selection |
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| WhiteSomali |
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| lucid9 |
| 07/25/03 at 04:23:30 |
| [slm] I don't mean to defend kobe. But you have to understand his situation a bit. (1) He has so much testosterone in his system that if he simply breathes on people he can make them change sex (2) Basketball players have groupies hanging around them all the time, 24/7. Women come up to them by the dozens and try to get a piece of them by attaching themselves like leeches. I mean if every five minutes some pretty thing scandalously dressed flashes you a smile -- how would you feel? Wilt Chamberlain claimed to have slept with 10,000 women (or is it 50,000). That's almost impossible -- 1 a day for fourty years straight. That couldn't have happened unless women flocked to him like bugs do to a bright light on a hot summer night. So, the adultery thing is not difficult to understand for kobe. Women usually share a lot blame in these situations (like why would go up to the room of a testosterone overdosed guy late at night? --- if you play with fire, expect to get burned.) The allegations of assault are. |
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| Ameeraana |
| 07/25/03 at 15:46:55 |
| [slm] When you are a famous man... girls girls and girls come with the fame... they are all over you. There are women whose goal is to sleep with famous men. There are lots of them. He just fell for the temptation and made a HUGE mistake. HUGE. Ameera |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/25/03 at 23:59:48 |
| [slm] Buckley? I meant Barkley. Buckly is the cool dark kid from Little Rascals. Miss those bunch. But anyways... Yeah yeah, I made a lot of mistakes i regret and has repented and insha-Allah Allah accepts. But as to Kobe....I still say it was the fame and fortune that made him stray. He's WEEEEEEEEAAAAKKKK!!!! I have no more respect for him. Say what you wanna say but I ain't gonna change me mind aye. Ever heard of...if you're going to do something stupid, don't get caught. He he he. Oops oh well. He can still play ball, who cares. That has nothing to do with his playing ball reputation, it's his respect as a man and a husband that is ruined not as a player. That's all. Ma-asalaama.... |
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| Emerald |
| 07/26/03 at 21:44:07 |
| What I can't believe is that there are two whole pages of posts about this guy -- who we really know NOTHING about. Just because he "appears" to be an upstanding moral person does NOT mean he truly is! I mean c'mon people! ::) Is he really worth talking about?! HE IS A MAN. Men are not perfect -- not even Muslim men! This reminds me of the whole Bill Clinton scandal. I was like so what! He did his job..and he was damn good at it. What do I care what he does behind closed doors. President is NOT synonymous with saint and we shouldn't be preaching to the world that it is. Same goes with this athlete. I just think it's so frustrating to see someone like him taking up all the time on CNN and Fox news when we could be hearing about REAL news in the world. Emerald |
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| Barr |
| 07/27/03 at 02:34:02 |
I'm not trying to defend him either. Sure, if he is found guilty either ways (adultery/ sexual assault) it is not smt to be proud of and his reputation and respect tarnished. Sure, he's done smt stupid and for some of us, an "unforgivable" act. So he failed miserably. But do we think we can control our nafs and shahawat when our testosterone level is high, and the fire of desires flamed by objects of desires? (a simple test.. big bonus cheque vs shopping spree) we (particularly sisters) have *no* idea what it feels like to be a High-Testosterone person who would have sex on one's mind every so often. So, lets keep the judgement in the court of law. Allahua'lam P.S. A woman's beauty is no gurantee of her husband's fidelity :P |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/27/03 at 03:31:32 |
| [slm] Ok just one more post. I just don't get why men or the majority of ppl are defending this guy. For goodness ske WHY I ask ya' WHY? B/c he's a great ball player? Oh fiddlesticks! Whatever. If I was a great ice skating champion and married and had guys hang around me "groupies" all the time and some of them are goergeous, blah, blah, blah....and cheated on my husband with one of them then it would be a whole different court. You'd all condemn me to Hell...just cause I'm a woman. Frankly....man or woman....whoever is a cheats on their spouse should not be praised period. My husband and I got into a debate about Clinton. Clinton was the only president i didn't mind since i was alive to lead. He did do a lot of good things and then Lewinsky comes along and I lost respect for him as well. My husband was like but so what if he cheated, it's not like he cheated on you. I sid, that's not the point. He cheated on his wife, his life partner, that's the point and with such a position he got caught. If I didn't know about it, my respect would've still been there. Oh well. My husband was like despite the allegatoins, he is still a great man. I said, He is no longer a great man. Was a great president, but no longer a great man. Then he was like, so if you meet Clinton, you wouldn't shake his hand? I said, nope. I'd talk to him and stuff and tell him that he was an idiot for getting caught, but i would not shake his hand. He said, You'd call him an idot to his face. "Yeap, it's better then backbiting. ;D." His face? "Yeah, his face b/c he knows he was an idiot, what's it to him if i say it to his face. It's not like he doesn't know it already." You're full of it. You would not. "I called ? an idiot to his face and worse things for getting caught and for cheating on his wife." He's not the President. "He was my boss." So no more praises. Just say he's a good ball player and let it go. Wow. That was too much posting. Oh well.... Ma-asalaama.... |
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| Aadhil |
| 07/27/03 at 18:17:08 |
| [slm] [quote author=Trustworthy link=board=bro;num=1058611521;start=30#30 date=07/27/03 at 03:31:32] Then he was like, so if you meet Clinton, you wouldn't shake his hand? I said, nope. [/quote] Your not supposed to shake any (Non Mahram) males hand no matter what they did. ;-) [slm] |
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| Aadhil |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/29/03 at 16:49:05 |
| [slm] I know. It was just hypothetically speaking. Like if I was a guy or something. No worries there Bro. :) Ma-asalaama...... |
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| moonie |
| 08/03/03 at 12:43:30 |
| [slm] i belive that KOBE did not do that he has been FRAMED i know kobe he wouldnt do that. [wlm] later |
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| Maliha |
| 08/03/03 at 17:08:35 |
| [quote author=Barr link=board=bro;num=1058611521;start=15#29 date=07/27/03 at 02:34:02] we (particularly sisters) have *no* idea what it feels like to be a High-Testosterone person who would have sex on one's mind every so often. [/quote] [slm] i wonder if you would be this understanding if your hubby to be dearest cheated on *you* :o sis, Maliha [wlm] |
| 08/03/03 at 18:00:39 |
| Maliha |
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| bhaloo |
| 08/04/03 at 09:50:23 |
| [slm] Just saw this article on MSN: Is infidelity "natural" for men? http://www.msnbc.com/news/946836.asp#BODY |
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| Barr |
| 08/04/03 at 12:30:46 |
| [wlm] warahmatullah :) [quote]i wonder if you would be this understanding if your hubby to be dearest cheated on *you* :o[/quote] Like I said, I am not defending this man at all. Adultary or sexual assault, he should be held accountable to such bad deeds. I just don't like the condemning, judgemental and sometimes, flippant tone of some posts in this thread, when sometimes, we could be worse off than the person, when we are being put in the same situation. Allahua'lam |
| 08/04/03 at 12:36:16 |
| Barr |
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| se7en |
| 08/25/03 at 01:57:59 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah, [quote]Is infidelity "natural" for men? [/quote] Evolutionary psychologists say that it's "natural" for men to seek to impregnate as many women as possible, because they have a biological drive to pro-create and produce as many offspring as possible. They also say it's "natural" for women to seek older, wealthier men, because they have the biological drive to find a partner that will care for and protect them and their young. I think.. evolutionary psychologists spend too much time with lab rats ::) Alhamdulillah, we are of a faith that teaches us that we are above the level of animals who act on instinct and are bereft of intellect, introspection, or conscience. Every human being is imbued with natural propensities, passions, inclinations, weaknesses.. but we are also honored with an intellect with which we can discern right and wrong. To put it simply: None of us should be using biology as an excuse for our misbehavior. Kobe included. wasalaamu alaykum |
| 08/25/03 at 01:59:18 |
| se7en |
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