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My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Maliha
07/20/03 at 06:28:00
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:'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

so yeah...when i got married i resisted the idea of plucking my eyebrows for the many many reasons. I got Long distance calls by appalled aunties who were like you would not get married like that?!!!! :o :o :o :o
So my concession was going to our Imam and asking. His answer shocked me..cuz he was pretty much if you are doing for your hubby and with certain conditions (i.e. not too thin etc)...then it's okay. Then he gave me a book of fatawa...

but Subhana Allah, it's always been a sore point for me. I always felt weird going to get it done, and i would drag my feet...although after getting it done the first time,  it's pretty hard..cuz i was like i actually "look prettier"  :'(

I tried growing them out before but wasn't strong enuff...especially when my bushy eyebrows began to take a life of their own :P (okay not that bad..)

but basically i am saying all this to say i am going thru the process of growing them out again...and it's not helping to see those Fatawa that say you can do them..etc. So i just need some moral strength from all of you who have been thru' this critical period of looking at yourself in the mirror and the GROWTH is  ALL you see :'( or going to the Masjid and perfectly arched eyebrows are floating ALL around you...and and coming to the board  and seeing..it's okay :'(

anywho...i am really trying..and it feels right..cuz even though i did it, it's something i always had to justify inside:(

Sigh...

strugglingSis,
Maliha
[wlm]
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Fozia
07/20/03 at 06:41:14
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Aww Sr Maliha big hugs. I've never plucked my brows or used makeup as I am far far too lazy to have kept it up once I began. But at one point I was convinced my eyebrows looked like two huge caterpillars sitting atop my eyes..... :o
However ones feature are never as bad as one thinks they are. For instance the big huge spot that I am convinced everyone is looking at, my sister didn't even see untill I pointed it out rather maniacaly going here here it's huuuuge  :'(. To which ickle sister goes  ::)

Take it easy,

Love & Duaas

Wasalaam
07/20/03 at 11:28:34
Fozia
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
lucid9
07/20/03 at 10:50:50
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Sister Mystic, can I ask you the very niave question of WHY?  

I thought the whole thing about hijabis was that they felt liberated by the fact they don't care too much about their appearance, about how they look, about whether shaping their eyebrows makes them look better, or whether makeup makes them look younger.  

I mean if muslim women are going to emphasize this kind of  liberating feminism, then why should  they agonize and cut themselves up over whether to pluck their eyebrows?  

What I am trying to say is:  If you don't care about stuff like that -- great.  Halleluah.  Alhumdulillah! Subhanallah! (Get the picture?)

But if deep down you do care about such stuff, and it is in fact halal, why torture yourself about it? There are other things to worry about and torture yourself with.  I mean you might be trying to follow the Umar (ra) path and reject 9 out of 10 halal things for fear of Allah.  But, the prophet himself, as I have been told countless times, always chose the easier option as long as it was halal.  I don't know, maybe its not such a big deal?

The real reason why such an issue might be important, is because there are lots of not so pious women who do such things.  And I wanted to know whether I should tell them something (those in my family)  about it.  (Like not to do it.)  But as long as it is halal according to some people, I'm not going to bother with it.  (I have a bad reputation in this regard.  For a brief time I used to be a nail polish  fascist who instantly trashed any nail polish lying around in the house.  People  were not happy with me!  Maybe i should ask about nail polish  sometime in the future.)

Just a niave comment by a bloke who couldn't care less about bushy eyebrows.  
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Nabila
07/20/03 at 13:55:47
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Practical advice - Grow them out and go for the Elizabeth Taylor look :D

ma asalaamah and take care
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
sofia
07/20/03 at 15:28:03
As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah, Mystic

I know of someone who used to pluck regularly. When she learned it was prohibited in most cases, she stopped. At first, she noticed that they returned to their same bushy status. But later, she realized her eye-brows were a lot more "tamed" after she decided to completely forego plucking for the sake of Allah. She doesn't think about it at all now; in fact, people will sometimes comment about her eyebrows (positively) now. Weird, but subhan'Allah.

So may your worries about this be eased, and may Allah make it easy for you.
:)
07/20/03 at 15:29:33
sofia
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Nomi
07/20/03 at 16:42:35
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Thats what i was wondering about, nice reply sis sofia and do you ppl know that many males do that too !!! Once a friend of mine got his done and when i saw him i was like... hey SUNSHINE ! <sarcastic>
07/20/03 at 18:48:22
Nomi
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Maliha
07/20/03 at 20:15:54
[quote author=lucid9 link=board=sis;num=1058693280;start=0#2 date=07/20/03 at 10:50:50] [slm]

Sister Mystic, can I ask you the very niave question of WHY?  
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Why?
hmmm..the wording of the Hadith is extremely strong..It uses the word "cursed"! This is saying those who do it, are outside the All Encompassing field of Allah's Mercy, they are cursed :o That's  pretty scary. Most scholars say it's *not* okay. Some say it's okay if you do only the middle part (if you have a uni brow..i don't) or may be like one or two stray hairs.
The normal way of threading/waxing eyebrows takes out a whole layer...in order to shape/arch it. Now this is wayyyyy more than one or two stray hairs. When I first got married, I was very strict in saying please take out JUST a LITTLE. The lady did an awesome job. I was happy.
When I went to Kenya, I went to get it done, and made the fatal mistake of assuming she would simply follow what the other lady did (which was take just a little of each). No this lady went HAPPY and I came out looking almost BALD! :o :o :( :'(
It was the worst day of me life. Okay eyebrows are a pretty significant portion of a soman's face and it's not like the hijab can cover them..so i had to walk around looking really retartded and feeling even worse than before.
sigh.
Anywho...so that episode was the first time i decided I AM NOT taking them out again.
Then...
yeah..
it happened again...this time i took out just a little ::)

Whatever..basically it's one of those things, that everytime it comes up I feel a twinge of guilt inside. Like I know it's something i aint supposed to do...Nowadays it's scary you will always find ONE scholar or more who will say such and such is halal.  
I was freaked out when some guy on NPR said "yes, a minority opinion in Islam says that although people can't drink wine, but they can drink spirits..since when the ayah was revealed it was mainly referring to wine".
I was like  :o :o :o :o
So i figured...someone, somewhere, will always help justify something. The deal is though at the end of time you can't say "well so and so told me it's okay".
so i figured to be safe..and i don't want to be cursed, and i have a lot already to worry about..the last thing i need to worry about is my stupid eyebrows and whether i'll go to hell over some stupid insecurity or not.

sigh...

long winded explanation...but yeah..that's pretty much it.

make duah for me y'all:)

sis,
Maliha
[wlm]
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
humble_muslim
07/21/03 at 09:19:24
AA

To all you sisters out there, a hubby's prespective :

I've been married for close to 11 years, and my wife's eyebrows have NEVER been a hindrance to her beauty.  There's more to beauty than thin eyebrows.

On the contrary, if she started to pluck them, then I would see the disobedience to Allah and His Messenger (SAW) literally in her face, and that would stand out above all the beauty she has.

NS
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
sofia
07/21/03 at 15:30:58
As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah,

I know it's still your business :) but one other thing that might help, and is  beyond the whole eyebrow thing, is what the heart tells us regarding a "gray area" issue. Not really about how someone's nafs interprets the shari'ah, but rather, how we should approach these "gray areas/issues," in general.

There's an Imam I know of who is asked a lot of these types of questions and he usually ends his naseehah/daleel on gray areas with something like, "what does your heart tell you?"

I think it's great that you asked this question, not for the subject, itself. A lot of times, secular culture tries to teach us that any doubt or guilt felt in our hearts is a product of our own personal experiences, repression or even imagination. But as Muslims, we know that in some ways, it's really the answer to our question. Allahu A'lim. May Allah protect us from being of those whose conscience is no longer of any benefit to them.

[color=maroon]Narrated An-Nu'man bin Bashir: "I heard Allah's Apostle saying, [i]'Both legal and illegal things are evident but in between them there are doubtful (suspicious) things and most of the people have no knowledge about them. So whoever saves himself from these suspicious things saves his religion and his honor. And whoever indulges in these suspicious things is like a shepherd who grazes (his animals) near the Hima (private pasture) of someone else and at any moment he is liable to get in it. (O people!) Beware! Every king has a Hima and the Hima of Allah on the earth is His illegal (forbidden) things. Beware! There is a piece of flesh in the body if it becomes good (reformed) the whole body becomes good but if it gets spoilt the whole body gets spoilt and that is the heart.'"[/i] [/color] [Saheeh Bukhaari]
07/22/03 at 10:15:46
sofia
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
AyeshaZ
07/22/03 at 01:28:32



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ahh Maliha!!  :-*  :-X

Subhan'Allah just **today** i was looking at pictures of some Muslim sisters and i noticed that everyone's eyebrows were shaped!! I was very surprised, i think it's very tempting!! But as sr.sofia said that subhan'Allah after a while they look fine!!! u get use to them! However, it was really hard for me as well.. soo don't worry u are sooo not the only one..i remember when i first started wearing hijab and even before that my friends would talk about it.. And i thought it was such a trivial issue, ( May Alllah(swt) have Mercy on me.. ameen
But when i started noticing how much difference it had on one's physical appearance, i was just in awe!!!
May Allah(swt) make it easy for you  :-X And bro Humble Muslim, May Allah(swt) grant u and your give much happiness in this dunya and akhirah.. that was sooooooo beautiful  :'(
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
WhiteSomali
07/22/03 at 02:17:04
[slm]  ;D

I would just like to point out, that I think many sistaz notice their own eyebrows more than anyone else. Don't stress, you're all beautiful anyway.

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Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
lucid9
07/22/03 at 08:42:03
I'm not sure if i ever noticed my sister's eyebrows until she plucked them.  But that probably has something to do with me never noticing anything.
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
WhiteSomali
07/22/03 at 09:15:06
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I'm not sure if i ever noticed my sister's eyebrows until she plucked them.  But that probably has something to do with me never noticing anything. [/QUOTE]

Noo bra, don worry. 98% of guys don't recognize a gyalz eyebrows, unless they're plucked, how could you not notice that? Even before I was Muslim I thought galz looked better without plucking their eyebrows. I mean, why do you need those perfect mad thin arches. Eyebrows must be a gyal thing  ;)

Plucked eyebrows tend to draw (guys') attention too, because they look unnatural mi thinkin, NOT because it looks better. So there, another reason not to do it... besides being cursed of course.  :o

[slm]  ;D
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
bismilla
07/22/03 at 09:56:06
[slm] please point me in the direction of the Hadith or Quran verse that could be referred to in this case?

I mentioned this to a sister once and she asked "where is is said..etc etc?"

Looking forward to some help Insha Allah :-)

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Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
WhiteSomali
07/22/03 at 10:07:12
[slm]  ;D

Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: I heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “Allaah has cursed the woman who does tattoos and the one who has them done, the woman who plucks eyebrows (al-naamisah) and the one who has it done (al-mutanammisah), and the one who files her teeth for the purpose of beauty, altering the creation of Allaah.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5931; Muslim, 2125)

Hope that helps.

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Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
WhiteSomali
07/22/03 at 10:09:51
Ohh I should say, it IS permissable to dye some of the hair on the eyebrows a color like the skin, which pretty much makes it look exactly like you plucked it. But alhumdillAllah you all look better without doing such a thing.  :)
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
bismilla
07/22/03 at 10:24:32
[slm] Jazak Allah Brother, tha does help :-)

I am concerned about the part where is says you can't file your teeth?  Do you suppose that would include something like straigtening your teeth with braces?

just wondering  ???

Shukran,

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Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
WhiteSomali
07/22/03 at 11:13:38
[slm]  ;D

Okay that last question, I didn't know if I agreed with the first scholar so I sought out the answer of another popular scholar, and of course their answers were different. Well since both these answers are from trustworthy people, I would say that someone must follow their heart to tell them whether it's haram or not, and then there shouldn't be any blame on you.

Question:


What is the ruling on straightening the teeth, if the lower jaw is small and the teeth are overcrowded or crooked, and the teeth of the upper jaw are protruding, noting that the straightening process requires the extraction of some teeth to make more room, and that after the straightening is complete the teeth will need to be filed to remove traces of the sustance used to keep the metal in place?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.  

Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan was asked about straightening the teeth and he said, If that is necessary, such as if there is some deformity in the teeth that needs to be corrected, then there is nothing wrong with it. But if it is not necessary then it is not permitted., rather it is forbidden to file the teeth or make gaps between them for the purpose of beautification, and there is a strong warning against doing so because it is a kind of messing about and altering the creation of Allaah.

But if this is done for the purpose of medical treatment, or to remove a deformity or for some other need, such as when a person is unable to eat unless his teeth are corrected, then there is nothing wrong with that.

With regard to removing extra teeth, Shaykh Ibn Jibreen said: there is nothing wrong with removing an extra tooth, because it deforms the appearance and makes things difficult for a person… but it is not permissible to file them or make gaps between them because of the prohibition on doing so.

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Question 6762

Is it haram to enlarge a tooth that Allah created small, or add a tooth that Allah never created? Also, is braces haram?

The tooth that I want to enlarge is an adult tooth, and the tooth I want to add never grew. I still have a baby tooth that I want to replace with a false tooth. By doing this I have to get braces, but the braces will also fix gaps and the like, which will make my teeth look perfect.

Answer 6762 2002-10-02

Implanting of false teeth is permissible. Also, dental treatment to set right orthopaedic imperfections may be sought. The use of braces, etc. for this purpose is permissible.

What we understand from ‘enlarging the tooth’ is that the small tooth will be ground down and a crown placed over it to bring in uniformity with the rest of the teeth. This is permissible.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Muhammad Kadwa
FATWA DEPT.

CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai



The reason I'd assume the scholars disagreed would be because they have different opinions on what deformities are, and we're allowed to fix deformities. Soo, yeah like I said, follow your heart.

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Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Maliha
07/22/03 at 18:14:27
[quote author=WhiteSomali link=board=sis;num=1058693280;start=15#15 date=07/22/03 at 10:09:51]Ohh I should say, it IS permissable to dye some of the hair on the eyebrows a color like the skin, which pretty much makes it look exactly like you plucked it. But alhumdillAllah you all look better without doing such a thing.  :)[/quote]

[slm]
one of my friends told me to do this...apparently bleaching is quite popular in the Middle East and other places.
But isn't this just a way to get around the original NO Plucking rule?
And if the main point is not to change our nature? then isn't this kinda just  trying to find a loophole within the "system"?

Please help.

Jazakumu Allahu Khayran for all the responses:) I don't feel quite as stupid now...only the fact that I had to post it..and while the world is writhing in the pain of inhumanity, injustice, oppression, etc. I am sitting in the lush comforts of my home worrying about my eyebrows...

yeah i know...pretty pathetic ::)

sis,
Maliha :-)
[wlm]
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Fozia
07/24/03 at 10:08:09
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I wouldn't recommend bleaching, surely most sisters must know at least one person who does this? I've seen ladies with bleached chin hair's etc, and oh when the sun shines on their faces all one can see is the hairs they are so vainly trying to hide  :o
Back to the eyebrows, I watched this woman plucking her's on the train (much to the digust of the guy seated beside her), and ummm by the time she'd finished she looked surprised, not a good look from where I was standing trying not to stare.... I find this fascinating, as although I would rather sleep an extra hour, watching women put on their slap on the train is like  :o

Wasalaam
07/24/03 at 10:09:09
Fozia
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
UmmWafi
07/28/03 at 07:21:25
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There is no way I am gonna write anything on the rights or wrongs of this.  Instead I just wanna caution all of us, me especially, on accepting the "standard notion og beauty".  Most of the time the standard notion of beauty is that of white anglo-saxon, which only a few of us are.  Secondly, the huge majority of us are not born with a perfectly shaped set of eyebrows.  That said, we must focus on FEELING and BEING beautiful and not just looking beautiful (whatever that is).

Special note to Maliha :

If I ever hear (or read) another post on how my Rainbow doesn't think she is as beautiful as her colours, she is in for a smackdown.  And I WILL get a tix to States my dearie so watch out !! :)

Love yaz,
Yer Sunshine
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
eleanor
07/29/03 at 09:01:27
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okay, another "bushy-eyebrowed" sister reporting in here.

I never plucked my eyebrows all my life. Even before becoming Muslim. But a couple of years ago I decided to try it out and plucked them. Firstly it was SORE. And all the skin under my eyebrows swoll up so I looked like I was in a boxing match or something. My husband was like  ::) "why do you bother?". Basically he doesn't care one way or the other. His latest saying by the way is that sisters in hijab look like Noor  8)
So yeah, I let them grow out and then plucked again sporadically once or twice since, but now I couldn't be bothered anymore. Since my husband is indifferent then who am I doing it for? that's my reckoning anyway.

Someone asked about nail polish. As far as I know it is not prohibited but it is seriously impractical because you can't make Wudhu with nail polish on and therefore cannot pray. So maybe some sisters are crazy enough to apply nail polish and remove it each time they make Wudhu, or maybe some can go from morning till  night with one Wudhu... Anyways I think again it's just for the husband or while at home or amongst sisters (wedding etc).

Wa Allahu Ahlam

Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Maliha
07/29/03 at 10:04:43
[quote author=UmmWafi link=board=sis;num=1058693280;start=15#20 date=07/28/03 at 07:21:25] [slm]
Special note to Maliha :

If I ever hear (or read) another post on how my Rainbow doesn't think she is as beautiful as her colours, she is in for a smackdown.  And I WILL get a tix to States my dearie so watch out !! :)

Love yaz,
Yer Sunshine[/quote]

I am NOT booooootifuuuuullllll :'( I am not booooooootifffffffulllll :'( I am not booooooootifuuuuuuuulll  :'(


okay Ummwafi which flight are you catching? ;D ;D ;D ;D

hehehe...

thanx y'all i feel a million times better...and yeah it really aint that bad :P

sis,
Maliha
[wlm]
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Fozia
07/29/03 at 14:22:47
[quote author=Mystic link=board=sis;num=1058693280;start=15#22 date=07/29/03 at 10:04:43]

I am NOT booooootifuuuuullllll :'( I am not booooooootifffffffulllll :'( I am not booooooootifuuuuuuuulll  :'(


okay Ummwafi which flight are you catching? ;D ;D ;D ;D

hehehe...

thanx y'all i feel a million times better...and yeah it really aint that bad :P

sis,
Maliha
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Sr Maliha, OK I wasn't going to tell anyone this.
But last Thursday I'm coming home from work, tired and seriously ticked off with the payroll assistant who happens to have the IQ of that just lower than a brick (needed to get that out of my system sorry). Anyways, I'm walking along praying ayah-ul-Kursi, and thinking about the verses , you know Allah there is no God but he....And I feel someone looking at me, it's an elderly gentleman who I sometimes see about, he's in an electric wheel chair type of thing. I smiled and head down keep walking then look up and he's still looking at me, then I notice his chair is parked sort of half off a grass verge. He smiles and calls 'good evening' I answer and ask if he's OK, to which he waves me over, so I go up to him, and he says 'Do you know what I thought when I saw you walking up the street just now?'. I'm stood there thinking Taliban, terrorist, extremist.....  :( and seriously consider just walking off, but I see he's waiting for an answer so I mumble 'No idea' and he replies 'Stunning!! That's what I thought, and I hope your boyfriend appreciates you' I was totally tongue tied and thoroughly embarassed and I'm thinking what about my huge spot which is threatening to take over my entire face?
Sr Maliha, people don't see what we think we see when we look in the mirror, the little old man in the wheelchair proved that to me last Thursday.

Wasalaam
07/29/03 at 14:23:39
Fozia
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Maliha
07/29/03 at 15:50:56
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Fozia Mashaallah what a booootifulll story  :-*

but hey don't worry my self esteem aint that scarred by a coupla hairs on me face   :P

I will Survive...

muhahahaahahahhaha!


PS: Eleanor, i asked my hubby what he thought of my like outta control eyebrows! and he goes..."huh??? did you do something to them?"

I was like... ::) you are right..why bother?

sigh...

Sis,
recoveringpluckinaddict,
Maliha :-)
[wlm]
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Kathy
07/30/03 at 08:58:10
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[quote]recoveringpluckinaddict, [/quote]

:o :-/
describes me perfectly...

Makes me wonder why it is so hard.

Makes me wonder why Allah swt has made it a 'trial' for us.

I think of judgement day. We are questioned about our lives and all the trials and tests we were given.

Then we are asked : You were told not to pluck...was that really too hard not to do?

Puts things into perspective....
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
muslim_sister_uk
07/31/03 at 16:47:50
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 I am new here to the board, and I am probably gonna be one of those sisters who cheeses people off when it comes to eyebrows, but i have never plucked mine, they just sit there!!!  I always have my sis - in laws tell me they look like I pluck n shape them, but if you just leave them i always think they just look kinda .......natural! :) :) :)
But if all people can see when they look at someone is  "EYEBROW", they are missing a whole lot!!
Ah well,  I think the comment about having so much more to worry about than eyebrows is bang on target.   But it does make you think that even something as small as the way you shave, pluck or not ,  is quite a big topic of discussion - Alhamdulillah!!! :-) :-)
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Lil_Sista
08/01/03 at 02:43:05
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umm yeah i did pluck my eyebrows 'n i was like"what would it be.....?"  ;D
and i didnt really like it so i said to myself"no!no more plucking!this is the 1st and the last."  ;D  ;D
finally,i found out that plucking's haram.well we shoud be very thankful for what Allah has bestowed upon us.sooooo just be yourself!

sis,you are BEAUTIFUL  in every single way,no matter what they say.words CAN'T  get us down  :-*

peace out!  :-)
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
Lana
08/01/03 at 11:12:14
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Ok, I didn't want to get involved in a discussion over eyebrows  ::)  but the tone seems to be that those who shape their eyebrows are committing a cardinal sin.  :o

I remember going to the masjid one day, where a young girl was handing out papers that stated why plucking eyebrows was wrong.  Of course, her eyebrows were naturally very nice.  But not all eyebrows were created equal.

To be honest I find it hard to believe that I will be questioned/punished from removing some excessive hairs from my face.  Lets face it, some girls have really bushy brows, unibrows, etc,  not to mention other facial hair.  I find it hard to believe that Allah will punish them over removing a little hair.   And sometimes the eyebrows are so bushy that its not just in their imagination, b/c many others tell them as well!  I'm not advocating pencil thin brows here, but I dont consider toning down some wild brows to a more natural look, to be a sin.   And if changing appearance is the issue, then all makeup, henna, perms, braces, other types of hair removal, would all be out as well.   Personally, I think eyebrows are an insignificant issue, to shape or not to shape is a personal issue, and doesn't really make much of a difference.   But let's not label those who do it as sinners.  There are bigger things to worry about.   Just my thoughts, didn't mean to offend anyone's eyebrows  ;)

Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
se7en
08/01/03 at 11:29:47
as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah,

Sis Lana, you bring up some really interesting points, thanks for posting :)

I think one thing that is really beautiful about our deen is that it is not just limited to straight up "theology".. it is a holistic faith, and it has teachings and guidelines for every aspect of our lives, business, marriage, education, physical appearance... and includes teachings on not just mundane but pretty 'trivial' stuff as well.  I mean it's interesting how exhaustive the topic of mas'h [wiping over socks during wudu] is in fiqh!

What makes this such an issue of contention is that.. as Muslims, we are striving to live our lives *in every single apect* in submission to and accordance with the teachings of Islam.  And I think there is a lot of beauty in seeing someone strive to fulfill that, even in something that seems so small, like shaping eyebrows.  Working on struggling against your self, and instead doing what you think is divinely prescribed.. I think that's really admirable, even if it's in something minor.  And maybe, if we continue to strive in small things like this, when it comes to the big tests we will have built up strength and will power :)

I mean you can say the same for the beard.. it seems sometimes to be a lot of debate over a little bit of hair :P  And I agree that it is at times taken to extremes and over emphasized.  What we forget is that.. it's not so much about the hair itself, but about having the state of heart and mind, that makes a person *want* to do everything in harmony with that state of loving submission, even something as seemingly minor as keeping the beard.

As for shaping eyebrows being a cardinal sin..  I don't think we should condemn people for it, just as we shouldn't condemn people for other sins.  All too easily we fall into being judgemental of others and holding a self righteous attitude.  But for ourselves, we should make sure we have a clear understanding of what the texts say, and strive to live by them as that is what it means to be a Muslim.  And even if a ruling doesn't seem to "make sense" to us.. once we determine that it truly is something divinely prescribed [i.e., from the Qur'an, or authentic text of Rasulullah [saw]] we should strive to understand that there may be wisdom in it that we, in our limited capacity, may not understand or perceive.

just my two cents... Allahu a'lam.  

wasalaamu alaykum :-)
08/01/03 at 11:41:49
se7en
Re: My business!!!!  eyebrows and stuff...
timbuktu
08/02/03 at 00:39:02
[quote author=se7en link=board=sis;num=1058693280;start=15#29 date=08/01/03 at 11:29:47]............ for ourselves, we should make sure we have a clear understanding of what the texts say, and strive to live by them as that is what it means to be a Muslim.  And even if a ruling doesn't seem to "make sense" to us.. once we determine that it truly is something divinely prescribed [i.e., from the Qur'an, or authentic text of Rasulullah [saw]] we should strive to understand that there may be wisdom in it that we, in our limited capacity, may not understand or perceive.[/quote]

this is the moral of this long story.

my wife plucks her eyebrows, & although i dont like it, i dont even remember telling her not to, but frankly i only notice these eyebrows when she plucks them in front of me.

& as a male, i assure you we do not notice details, except in logic. while women notice appearances. & this is the reason for most clashes between husband & wife.


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