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| moonie |
| 07/23/03 at 21:09:41 |
| [slm] brother Saddam's Hussins son's have been killed by the US army from what CNN says. i want everyones opinin on this. what effect does it have on u? thanks mohsin [wlm] |
| 07/23/03 at 21:33:24 |
| moonie |
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| Moe_D |
| 07/23/03 at 23:34:59 |
| [slm] Bro Mohsin, I dont understand how u can call Saddam ur brother. He is one of the most evil people out there on the face of this earth, a person responsible for the death of thousands of fellow muslim brothers sisters and childrens. Personally the death of his sons is great news, Odai and Quasi, both are pretty evil individuals with no morals and respect what so ever. They have put many through tremendus amount of torture and pain. This goes on to show that power dosent last for ever, as a matter of fact nothing lasts for ever, just a few months ago they were in power living a life of luxery and no worries and now they are both gone forever. [wlm] |
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| Caraj |
| 07/23/03 at 23:39:01 |
| You call him brother? His and his sons behavior, killings, torture, rapes and such do not reflect Islamic teaching. I wonder how the families of their victims feel now? The Olympic atheletes, the daughters and mothers and sisters raped? However on a different note, I was sadden and sickened how some are happy over it. I think for what they did to their people, they needed to be locked up and the key thrown away. I can understand that some in their country may feel relief but for anyone to be happy over someone dying is in my opinion sick. BUT the first thing that went through my mind when I learned of ths was..... It's ashame it had to come to this and the poor mother. Cause no matter what they did they were still someones little boys at on time and she too like any mother had dreams and hopes and such for her little boys. So no matter if it was Saddams sons or an American mothers sons or anyones sons and daughters, it is ashame and it is sad. This whole thing is ashame and sad. Hope this doesn't offend anyone but it was asked and I answered. |
| 07/23/03 at 23:42:26 |
| Caraj |
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| siddiqui |
| 07/23/03 at 23:42:02 |
| [slm] I dont see whats the need for it to be disscussed here , what has happened and has been willed by Allah swt, our disccusing their deaths will never change the fact they are dead , or the many who died before them lets keep this place relatively apolotical and concentrate on deen Death to a Muslim is a reminder that He/she could be next and we have to answer Allah set for our deeds May Allah swt make it easy for us Ameen [wlm] |
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| panjul |
| 07/24/03 at 00:39:53 |
| [slm] This is a political forum, on a religous website. News is political. anyway, brother?????? that is a first one i must say. :( why would the deaths of psychopaths affect me, or should affect anyone? by the way, why do i get the feeling this is brought up to incite everyone??? |
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| Halima |
| 07/24/03 at 01:59:24 |
| Panjul Wrote: [quote]anyway, brother that is a first one i must say. why would the deaths of psychopaths affect me, or should affect anyone? [/quote] I fully agree with Panjul and it should not incite anyone. For once, let's agree to call a spade, a spade not a big spoon! |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 07/24/03 at 13:31:44 |
| [slm] Qur'an, 44:29! |
| 07/25/03 at 00:41:07 |
| Abu_Hamza |
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| ascetic |
| 07/24/03 at 14:17:27 |
| It had not affected me until I went to BBC.com today morning. I'm positively nauseous after seeing the mutilated corpses on headline news. What is wrong with these people? How can they put this kind of stuff on public display without a warning? For those of you with weak stomachs, I would stay away from the media for a couple of days ::) |
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| Caraj |
| 07/24/03 at 16:14:23 |
| [quote author=Abu_Hamza link=board=ummah;num=1059012338;start=0#6 date=07/24/03 at 13:31:44][slm] Qur'an, 4:29![/quote] Ok where is this, I am still trying to get mt bearings in the Quran. Please??? [quote author=zahid link=board=ummah;num=1059012338;start=0#7 date=07/24/03 at 14:17:27]It had not affected me until I went to BBC.com today morning. I'm positively nauseous after seeing the mutilated corpses on headline news. What is wrong with these people? How can they put this kind of stuff on public display without a warning? For those of you with weak stomachs, I would stay away from the media for a couple of days ::)[/quote] Thank you for the warning. My son called me and he hasn't looked (he is at work) but was told there was a warning before opening pics in CNN I can't speak for BBC. Part of me is just sickened at the thought and part of me wonders if it won't make people think. I am hearing from many American news is sanatized, maybe people seing this will realize war is not so pretty. However I am surprized the news is doing this. But also not surprized. |
| 07/24/03 at 16:15:49 |
| Caraj |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/24/03 at 16:15:51 |
| [slm] Oh Ok. I get the post now. Proof of Iraq being restored to a better form then the last is the only way I'll beleive that what the US did was justice. Nope, I take that back. I still don't think what they did to the Iraqi ppl was justice at all. If they wanted to get rid of Saddam, they could've done it with fewer innocent lives like none. Other then that, Allah is our only judge. Ma-asalaama.... |
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| sal |
| 07/24/03 at 19:16:43 |
| i dont think this makes any effect , i dont know what part of them to focus the light on . but any way if they were famous .all i know about them is only crimes , i am neither sad nor happy . everday people are dying , so they are one of these , i just have a different comment on their father . saddam I am looking a different part of this guy .religiously .when he is behaving very cruely against his people and PRONOUNCE the words ALLAH AKBAR how can we isolate the crimes he has performed under a muslem permited work than that it is not allowed in islam ? Any way he is gone and if what happened to his sons is true ,, it is just a very simple example of what families have faced in his regime But I still doubt if he feel sad for his sons ,may be he is angry why they are killed ( as his men and that is all) wa salam |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 07/25/03 at 00:42:26 |
| [slm] I modified my earlier post. I had given the wrong reference. It's supposed to be 44:29, not 4:29. |
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| deenb4dunya |
| 07/25/03 at 01:53:30 |
| Assalamu Alaikum, [quote]I modified my earlier post. I had given the wrong reference. It's supposed to be 44:29, not 4:29. [/quote] Laa Illaha Illa Allaah... People check out the ayah!!! .... #29 http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/044.qmt.html Wassalamu Alaikum, Deen :-) |
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| lucid9 |
| 07/25/03 at 04:55:19 |
| [slm] Seeing the pictures, while a bit nauseating, made me very, very, very happy. So much luxury, power, women, money during life -- but so ignominous a death. Subhanallah. And it makes me even happier to think of the brain boiling punishment they are now going through after death. Little did they think of that. Did they? Hah! Burn baby, burn! (yeah, i'm gettting a little carried away, but they were hall of fame butchers and perverts you know...) |
| 07/25/03 at 04:57:59 |
| lucid9 |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 07/25/03 at 05:03:45 |
| [slm] Bra, the "brain boiling punishment" is what the least punished people will get in Jahannam. And really mayn... I don't understand how you can be so happy at the thought of them going to Hell, I wouldn't wish Hell on my worst enemy. Plus, you don't know who's going to Jannah and who's going to Jahannam. Only Allah knows that. [slm] |
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| ascetic |
| 07/25/03 at 15:46:37 |
| I agree with Br. WhiteSomali. I wonder what was Prophet's (SAW) reaction when staunch enemies of Islam were killed in battle. Certainly, some of those people harmed the Muslims in general, and the Prophet in particular, in similar (or even worse) ways than Uday/Qusay/etc. Did he rejoice that they were going to suffer in hell? (I don't know for sure but I certainly don't think that would have been the case). If anyone knows his reactions in particular, can you post it on this thread? --Zahid. |
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| ascetic |
| 07/25/03 at 20:45:29 |
| I just read this on islamonline.net which answers my question about what the Prophet (SAW) did in a similar situation: Emara said prophet Mohamed (PBUH) had repeatedly warned against distorting bodies, let alone "taking them on the air as the Americans did". He cited examples of tolerance in which Prophet Mohamed stood in silence out of respect at a funeral of a man of no acquaintance, in spite of being told by his followers the man was Jewish who hurt Muslims a great deal in his life. Complete article at: http://islamonline.net/English/News/2003-07/25/article13.shtml [wlm] |
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| Nomi |
| 07/26/03 at 17:23:20 |
| [slm] and bro lucid9 let me take this opportunity to answer your Q? in the locked thread... NO! i'll not go eating my enemy's flesh if the kuffars do it to Muslims, No i/we wont kill women and children and No someone burning in hell shouldn't make us happy/laugh. Peace to you brother, peace to you... |
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| Trustworthy |
| 07/27/03 at 02:56:14 |
| [slm] I remember hearing in a hadith session and reading it this hadith, it was also in the movie "The Message:. The hadith goes something like this: What was that ladies name that despised the Prophet so much and Hamzah that she paid a slave his freedom to kill Hamzah. Upon his kill, she took his liver or some organ from Hamzah's body and ate it. The Prophet found out who killed his beloved Hamzah and got very angry that when she came to ask for his forgiveness and wanted to join Islam, he refused her. Allah sent an ayat down (forget which one) telling the Prophet that he should forgive her and accept her conversion to Islam. That's the mercy we should all follow, but appearantly don't. Ma-asalaama.... |
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| Sheen |
| 07/27/03 at 05:43:40 |
| [slm] [quote][/quote]What was that ladies name that despised the Prophet so much and Hamzah that she paid a slave his freedom to kill Hamzah. Upon his kill, she took his liver or some organ from Hamzah's body and ate it. [/quote] Her name was Hend...later she became Muslim also [can't remember exactly when?] [wlm] |
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| Nabila |
| 07/27/03 at 07:08:22 |
| [slm] Abu_Hamza - very apt, ma sha allaah. Saddam is not our brother - but we should not rejoice in anyone's death whether they are American soldiers or members of the hussein family or whatever. ma asalaamah and take care |
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| lucid9 |
| 07/27/03 at 07:21:59 |
| [slm] May allah reward you all for your compassion, and not wanting the fire to engulf even Uday and Qusay. However, i cannot share in your compassion. There is a reason why Hell was created. And it was created (allah knows best) for people like Uday and Qusay. Nobody knows whether they died on kufr. But judging from their actions during life -- they most certainly left islam long ago. And the thing about committing sins, is committing them makes it easier and easier to leave islam and harder and harder to return to islam. So perhaps there should be little doubt that these people died on kufr. You cannot compare these people to Hind or the the people who tried to exterminate the muslims 1400 years. Back then Islam was something new, something novel. Now Islam is something whose proofs are so clear, something established and taught to you at your birth. Now you grow up with the athan blasting into your house 5 times a day (if you live in a muslim country). These guys, having the benefit of islam, still managed to think up new ways to torture and maim people--making the torture of bilal (ra) look even mildly compassionate, allahu alam. Today in the papers their are reports that uday used to feed people he didn't like to his pet lions. A few days ago there were reports that Qusay used to have young boys brought to him so he could rape and sodomize them. There are countless more horrific things these people and their father did. Dropping people in vats of acid or boiling oil. Their inhumanity is mindboggling. And they also prosecuted a war killing several million people (the iran-iraq war). Khomenei used to be ridiculed by the west and muslims because he was willingly to sacrifice a lot to oust Saddam. Now people may l finally realize, why he hated Saddam so much. A butcher, and the source of misery to millions upon millions of muslims. I do share in everybody's wish that nobody be punished with hell. But if anybody is going to fill hell, then I would think Saddam and his sons should be among the few to fill it. Others who i feel deserve it should be the Mongol butchers who destroyed islamic civilization, whoose pain we still feel today, and the murderers of the pious shortly after the prophet who forever changed the course of islamic history. |
| 07/27/03 at 07:22:53 |
| lucid9 |
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| faisalsb |
| 07/27/03 at 07:23:49 |
| [slm] Well it was Hind (rau) who chewed liver/kidney of Hazrat Hamza (rau) after he was martyred. Holy Prophet [saw] said at that moment if humiliation of dead body were allowed then I [saw] must order to humiliate dead body of killer of Hamza (rau). Hind (rau) accepted Islam after Macca was conquered. I heard different story than mentioned by sister Trustworthy please correct me if I am wrong. When she was brought to Holy Prophet [saw], she was more than 100% sure that Holy Prophet [saw] will order to kill her due to her previous character. So when she was brought to Holy Prophet [saw] after Macca was conquered then she started to abuse Holy Prophet [saw] since that's what she did all of her life and wanted to do again before dying. Holy Prophet [saw] ignored her and ask the Sahaba to take her away. After some time Holy Prophet [saw] called her again and give dawa to her and she accepted Islam. Following mentioned hadith also shows how much she loved Holy Prophet [saw] since then: Volume 8, Book 78, Number 636: Narrated 'Aisha: Hind bint 'Utba bin Rabi 'a said, "O Allah 's Apostle! (Before I embraced Islam), there was no family on the surface of the earth, I wish to have degraded more than I did your family. But today there is no family whom I wish to have honored more than I did yours." Allah's Apostle said, "I thought similarly, by Him in Whose Hand Muhammad's soul is!" Hind said, "O Allah's Apostle! (My husband) Abu Sufyan is a miser. Is it sinful of me to feed my children from his property?" The Prophet said, "No, unless you take it for your needs what is just and reasonable." In my language their is a poetry I don't know if there is anyone on the board who can understand Punjabi but it's really deep, I'll try to translate: Dushman maray tay khushi na karriay Sajna vee mar jana (We shouldn't celerbrate death of our foes Since our friends are also going to die one day) |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 07/28/03 at 02:18:52 |
| [slm] [quote author=lucid9 link=board=ummah;num=1059012338;start=15#21 date=07/27/03 at 07:21:59] So perhaps there should be little doubt that these people died on kufr.[/quote] A'oodhu billah! I would be *very* careful bro. Really. As much as I despise the things that the people of Saddam inflicted upon the Iraqis, and as much as I abhor their Fir'awnic lifestyle and mischief on earth, I still cannot bring myself to the level of calling them kuffar! How can I, when they say laa ilaaha illaLlah, and when the Prophet [saw] is reported to have said that anyone who calls another a kafir, one of them is definitely one! Don't let your anger get the best of you yaa akhi. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. |
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| ladyTulloolah |
| 07/28/03 at 11:51:11 |
| bro Abu_Hamza wrote: [quote]I would be *very* careful bro. Really. As much as I despise the things that the people of Saddam inflicted upon the Iraqis, and as much as I abhor their Fir'awnic lifestyle and mischief on earth, I still cannot bring myself to the level of calling them kuffar! [/quote] I reiterate that. Only Allah (SWT) knows the what, when, why, how and the minutest of details of their lives. Even if we hate them for being oppressors, the final verdict lies with Him only. It was also out in the local daily here, that the sons performed the Jumuah prayer on April, 11th. And if I were to believe that, I would only think that they are turning to Allah (SWT) for help durinc their time of grief, just like any other Muslim turns to Him after they have erred to seek His refuge. Also remember that: "Before He created life, the Almighty Allah declared, "My Mercy shall surpass My Wrath." Thus was it written." --The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), as reported by Abu Hurairah, Sahih al-Bukhari, p.641 (1351) So, you never know who is going to make it to Heaven, and who is destined for Hell. Instead of Saddam-and-sons-flaying, let us channelize our energies towards more fruitful causes, like praying for the Iraqi men, women, and children, who have lost one tyrannous regime, to another. :( Wassalam. |
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| Moe_D |
| 07/29/03 at 22:12:38 |
| A quick questions, what this all im hearing about that his sons were martyrs??? they died for the cause of islam?? if this is tru does that mean they are shahaed(how ever u spell that)??? |
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| panjul |
| 07/30/03 at 01:40:22 |
| [slm] quick questions, what this all im hearing about that his sons were martyrs Uday and Qusay as martyrs!? :o The person who i know refered to them as martyrs was Saddan Hussain, through a video he realeased to the arab press. *whatever* Saddam said that if he had a 100 sons, he would gladly offer them up for martyrdom for Islam. I want to know, why doesn't he offer himself up to the American forces for martyrdom? and what were his sons doing hiding? Is that how a warrior meets his death? ::) |
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| shieldsoffaith |
| 07/30/03 at 08:13:10 |
| As a very new person here I find it difficult to post. I do not know anyone. However, I read all the posts on this topic and I am puzzled by only one thing. I have listened to all that has been said and recorded about Saddam and his family. And I have listened to what the USA is saying and I am finding it difficult to believe that Saddam and his family were that mean!!! I think about the USA and their excuse for starting war in the first place and it was because of the WOMD which were not found to the best of my knowledge. Then I listen to the stories and excuses of why it was needed to kill these boys. And I am not sure I believe them. Then again if that was them that died and I see the way the Americans killed them. I wonder "if" they were very good would Allah allow this to happen? I am just one confused person!!! [saw] |
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| timbuktu |
| 07/30/03 at 09:34:29 |
| [slm] here sister shieldoffaith is right: what one hears or reads is not always the truth. it has been doctored. that Saddam & his sons did evil is true, but which of our rulers hasn't or isn't doing evil? & most certainly we do not know whether Uday & Qusay truly repented before their death was certain, or did not. neither do we know if we will die in Islam. so, we have to be very, very careful, & very, very humble before Allah, & ask HIS forgiveness. |
| 07/30/03 at 09:36:06 |
| timbuktu |
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| bhaloo |
| 07/30/03 at 09:47:42 |
| [slm] This is a dangerous thing to be saying! [quote author=lucid9 link=board=ummah;num=1059012338;start=15#21 date=07/27/03 at 07:21:59]So perhaps there should be little doubt that these people died on kufr. [/quote] The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "There were two men who were living as brothers; one of them was sinful, while the other stove very much to perform his devotion to Allah. The striver (after good) would continuously see the other in sin, and so he would continuously advise him to leave it. The sinner retorted: 'Leave me, by my Lord- are you sent as a watcher over me?' worshipper said: 'By Allah, Allah will not forgive you, or (he said) Allah will not make you enter Jannah. After their souls were taken, they were brought together before Allah, so He said to the striver: 'Did you have knowledge of Me, or are you able to do what is in My Hand?' Allah said to the sinner 'Go to Jannah by my Mercy and said to the other "Take him to the fire (of Jahannam)'. " [Abu Dawood and Ahmad] If a person calls a Muslim 'O Kaafir (unbeliever)', then kufr will befall one of them. If what he said was true, then it is as he related. However, if it is not true, then the kufr would be his lot. [Hadeeth -Bukharie and Muslim] |
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| Early_Bird |
| 08/02/03 at 21:36:56 |
| [wlm] I certainly shed no tears for them. I have no opinion on their status now or their ultimate destination, only Allah knows that. Heard Saddam (supposedly it was he) on al-Jazeera waffling about martyrdom and all that. Please pass the salt, it would need a lot to swallow that one! I doubt they will be missad in this dunya and I believe restitution will be made to their victims in the Hereafter, when justice will at last prevail. So it didn't affect me much at all, since you ask. :-) |
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