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ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
jannah
07/29/03 at 18:27:54
[slm] So me, 7, dhikr, & another sis are going to meet up with trustworthy.. Any other sisters going and would like to meet up sometime? Any bros going that we can meet ur wives/sisters? Should be fun and it's nice to meet new people.. probably a better way to put a 'face' to ppl then a photo album ;)

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
sofia
07/30/03 at 10:29:11
As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah, You've already "faced me," but I'll be there, insha'Allah (so will Saadia and Noera, etc). I loooove Chicago. Not to mention seeing 30-40,000 of my people in one place (don't get to see that everyday in the US). Otherwise, the lobby scene was starting to turn me off last year, so I was kind of if-fy until a few months ago (did I mention, I love Chicago?). So I'll be the one with the sign: "IT'S LATE..err..EARLY...GO PRAY FAJR, LOBBY PEOPLE, SHEESH." Jannah, if there's a sisters meet-up at ISNA, let us know, insha'Allah. :)
07/30/03 at 10:29:36
sofia

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Trustworthy
07/30/03 at 11:58:29
[slm] And we have extra rooms due to cancellations from my group.  We may have 2 extra rooms.  I told the Imam to not cancel them since we might need them so if no one needs them then I'll have her cancel the 2 rooms so that other ppl I don't know will have a chance to get them. Hotel:  McCormick Hyatt. Ma-asalaama...

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Ruqayyah
07/30/03 at 12:05:19
[slm] i'm goin inshallah!  ;D i'm staying at the hilton though. where should we meet?  :)

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Trustworthy
07/30/03 at 14:57:50
[slm] I say...lobby at the Hyatt and then walk together to the convention or meet at the convention center where there is food? Just a thought.  I get lost easily. Ma-asalaama......

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
BroHanif
07/30/03 at 17:38:17
Salaams, Just a question how can one maintain hijaab in an area like 30-000 to 40,000 people ???. Or have I got my maths wrong, surely an event like this is bound to cause some problems for hayaa like girls and guys just loitering and eyeing each other up ?? Or am I being to radical ?? Salaams Hanif
NS

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Trustworthy
07/30/03 at 19:31:43
[slm] It's all in your intentions Bro.  The reason why I go is b/c I love listening to the lectures.  I love being in a place where it's just all Muslims all the time. This year, I get to meet my long lost sister Jannah so it's extra special. All in your intentions so Allahu Alim... Ma-asalaama...

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
sofia
07/30/03 at 22:13:40
As-salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatullah, BroHanif, the convention centers chosen for ISNA are huuuge (the McCormick center was once, if not still, the largest convention center in the US). Otherwise, yes, the meat-market/mackin' aspect can get a bit much. That's one of the reasons I wasn't sure I'd go again. But at the same time, lobby-people seem to go with a certain intention, don't attend the lectures, and hang out in hotel lobbies, instead of the convention center where the lectures are. So it's easy to avoid that scene. I'd never thought of ISNA as any different than being in a Muslim country. Families/friends getting together, long-lost friends reuniting, trying to pack in as much time with local scholars/motivators/speakers as one humanly can take advantage of, etc. Sisters who aren't normally out in public, aren't normally at ISNA, either, much less anywhere else (which would bring in the whole "should women stay in-doors/what's the point of hijaab/jilbaab/niqaab" debate). So unless you're one of the "lobby-people," it's actually just as easy to maintain hayaa' there than any other public place, if not, easier. The seating arrangements at lectures are normally segregated by gender, you stay in a room with same gender friends or family, people are generally more covered there than outside (many sisters who normally don't wear hijaab/jilbaab are more comfortable wearing it there, etc). At the very least, I'd advise not hanging out in the lobbies, not dressing flashy, being covered, and sticking with same-gender crowds/mahrem. Same rules I'd set for myself at any other public place. Allahu A'lim.
07/30/03 at 22:18:21
sofia

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
jannah
07/30/03 at 22:29:58
[wlm] U know what was always so interesting to me is how different the US and UK are on segregation. Like the UK brothers & sisters are like so hard core and in the US we tend to be more relaxed and friendly while still keeping haya'.  Like in syria all the american brothers and sisters knew each other and each other's backgrounds and would help each other in what they could. The UK bros and sis's didn't even know each others' names! We used to have this running joke in Syria, if one of us sisters fell on the sidewalk and was dying and yelling for help what would happen. If a British bro walked by he would look away hurriedly, say "Astaghfirulllah" and run away. If a Canadian bro walked by he would look and say "SubhanAllah let me go call someone to help you" and run away. And if an American bro walked by, he would say "Alhamdulillah, what's your name sister" lol and help her... Jowk.. just a jowk ;)

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
faisalsb
07/31/03 at 06:22:00
[slm] Well I don't think there is anything WRONG in women going to Islamic seminars and workshops after all they are going to listen to Islamic scholars and clerics over there not Micheal Jakson or Madona. Actually sometimes we put some extra restrictions to ourselves which are originally not there and I think it do more harm than good. It's very clear from following mentioned hadith that woman are not only allowed but encouraged that they should attend Islamic gathering which are in fact very rare and just few times a year or so. Volume 1, Book 6, Number 321: Narrated Aiyub: Hafsa said, 'We used to forbid our young women to go out for the two 'Id prayers. A woman came and stayed at the palace of Bani Khalaf and she narrated about her sister whose husband took part in twelve holy battles along with the Prophet and her sister was with her husband in six (out of these twelve). She (the woman's sister) said, "We used to treat the wounded, look after the patients and once I asked the Prophet, 'Is there any harm for any of us to stay at home if she doesn't have a veil?' He said, 'She should cover herself with the veil of her companion and should participate in the good deeds and in the religious gathering of the Muslims.' When Um 'Atiya came I asked her whether she had heard it from the Prophet. She replied, "Yes. May my father be sacrificed for him (the Prophet)! (Whenever she mentioned the Prophet she used to say, 'May my father be sacrificed for him) I have heard the Prophet saying, 'The unmarried young virgins and the mature girl who stay often screened or the young unmarried virgins who often stay screened and the menstruating women should come out and participate in the good deeds as well as the religious gathering of the faithful believers but the menstruating women should keep away from the Musalla (praying place).' " Hafsa asked Um 'Atiya surprisingly, "Do you say the menstruating women?" She replied, "Doesn't a menstruating woman attend 'Arafat (Hajj) and such and such (other deeds)?" Umar (rau) was against of women going out with veil and even ask Holy Prophet  [saw] to ask his  [saw] wives to wear veil but Holy Prophet  [saw] didn't do so until the verse of hijab/veil were revealed. As it's mentioned in following mentioned hadith: Volume 1, Book 4, Number 148: Narrated 'Aisha: The wives of the Prophet used to go to Al-Manasi, a vast open place (near Baqia at Medina) to answer the call of nature at night. 'Umar used to say to the Prophet "Let your wives be veiled," but Allah's Apostle did not do so. One night Sauda bint Zam'a the wife of the Prophet went out at 'Isha' time and she was a tall lady. 'Umar addressed her and said, "I have recognized you, O Sauda." He said so, as he desired eagerly that the verses of Al-Hijab (the observing of veils by the Muslim women) may be revealed. So Allah revealed the verses of "Al-Hijab" (A complete body cover excluding the eyes). There is another example again from Umar (rau), one of his wife used to go to mosque regularly for prayer. (That's after verses of Al-Hijab were revealed) One Sahabi asked her why do you go to mosque for prayer, you are not aware of ghaira of Umar (rau)? She asked if that's the case then why doesn't he stop me? The Sahabi replied because of the hadith of Holy Prophet  [saw] which says that men shouldn't stop women if they want to go out to participate in good deeds. What brother Hanif said is also very important that women shouldn't mix up with non mehrams freely and being FRIENDLY with non mehrams is neither encouraged nor allowed but I think that's something which can be easily taken care of during such gatherings.

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Maliha
07/31/03 at 07:16:08
[slm] Alhamdullillah I dont' think the answer to this issue is *restricting* women...Allah knows we all need knowledge and the sources of which are very limited...so we should all take every opportunity we can to increase ourselves in Imaan and motivation. Last year my hubby, sis and I went for the first time...it was in DC...I had never gone before cuz me always broke and Chicago might as well be Makkah for moi  ::)  So anywho, we were very shocked at the behavior of the *lobbyists*...sigh... instead of it being an inspirational environment for my sis, i ended up walking around lecturing her on what *not* to do, wear, and act in public :(   although we had a *good* experience Alhamdullillah *inside* the workshops, and lectures....my hubby was really put off by the whole scene :(  and after experiencing the amazing intimacy, solace, seclusion and hayaa at the retreat, i see the *huge* difference in the two settings. i personally enjoyed the experience despite the negative side of it, i don't think i could drag my hubby back there though:( ...sigh...maybe w/some convincing and maybe when we have the extra money to trek to Makkah errr chicago and maybe.....yeah....Inshaallah maybe ;) aight...me out... peace, Maliha :-) [wlm]
07/31/03 at 07:19:24
Maliha

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
BroHanif
07/31/03 at 13:25:13
Salaams, Jannah hmmm are you saying the UK brothers and sisters are not friendly ? of course we are. Yet we need to maintain a level of hayaa and respect for each other. I'm not saying that we shouldn't go to these conferences, nor am I saying do not talk to sisters and keep em in a locked room, I'm on about the logistics of such a gathering. Thats all sis. If I was so conservative in my views I don't think I'd be talking to so many of the sisters on this board. The American brothers can talk the talk but its the British brothers who walk the walk. Trust me. By the way this is a JOKE. Please no one send me any IM messages about this. What happened to light hearted humour on this site ??? Salaams, Hanif
NS
07/31/03 at 13:51:55
BroHanif

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Maliha
07/31/03 at 13:39:35
[quote author=BroHanif link=board=bebzi;num=1059514075;start=0#11 date=07/31/03 at 13:25:13]Salaams,. The American brothers can talk the talk buts its the British brothers who walk the walk. Trust me. [/quote] [slm] hmmm..that's not a very nice statement and its a bit of a generalization don't you think??? sis, Maliha
NS

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
BroHanif
07/31/03 at 13:50:51
salaams, Its a joke Sis Maliha a joke. Please lets all chill out, just because I don't use smilies in the thread does not mean I don't laugh or smile. Please everyone chill out. Salaams Hanif
NS

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Nomi
07/31/03 at 14:12:00
[slm] [quote author=BroHanif link=board=bebzi;num=1059514075;start=0#11 date=07/31/03 at 13:25:13] The American brothers can talk the talk but its the British brothers who walk the walk. Trust me. [/quote] Dont' be upset bro and we trust you.... more than al-amrikees :) . t'rust me . aasta lavesta . Nominamater  8)

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
deenb4dunya
07/31/03 at 14:14:33
Assalamu Alaikum, [quote]Its a joke Sis Maliha a joke. Please lets all chill out, just because I don't use smilies in the thread does not mean I don't laugh or smile. Please everyone chill out.  [/quote] Hey I never even noticed... why don't you use smilies in your posts? Wassalamu Alaikum, Deen :-)

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Maliha
07/31/03 at 16:04:40
[quote author=BroHanif link=board=bebzi;num=1059514075;start=0#11 date=07/31/03 at 13:25:13]Salaams, By the way this is a JOKE. Please no one send me any IM messages about this. What happened to light hearted humour on this site ??? [/quote] [slm] too late  :'( :'( hey i didn't mean anything bad by my comment..and maybe you do need to use smilies man :P at least then we'd know the difference between ::) and  ;D and even >:( i feel pretty  :( and  :'( sorry if i struck a chord. sis, Maliha [wlm]
07/31/03 at 16:05:02
Maliha

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Nomi
08/01/03 at 05:45:37
[slm] [quote author=deenb4dunya link=board=bebzi;num=1059514075;start=15#15 date=07/31/03 at 14:14:33] Hey I never even noticed... why don't you use smilies in your posts? [/quote] me noticed, long back and me think me knows why but me better let him answer if he wants to coz me is not that good a sidekick to know everything :P [slm] Asim Zafar PS: my elder bro (Khurram bhai) wont use smilies either :)
08/01/03 at 08:26:22
Nomi

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Somaira
08/02/03 at 00:53:35
Assalamualaikummmmm  :) InshaAllah I will be at ISNA tooooo  :) - and i would love, love, love to meet some of the sisters off the board. Please let me know if, when, and where you decide to meet up! Hope everyone is doing well. Take care, [wlm] Somaira

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Lil_Sista
08/02/03 at 06:44:33
[slm] i wish i could come................. :( what can i do? im here on the other side of the world. it would be great to see ya'll sistaz!

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
jannah
08/04/03 at 21:41:03
[wlm] Coool msg me and I'll give u my cell phone number inshaAllah!! BTW anyone have a hotel room for THURSDAY? we are going early to do a little sightseeing around devon ;) but have no place to stay except the benches downtown :(

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
IMuslim_4Ever
08/05/03 at 15:37:19
[slm] ISNAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!!!! i wish i can go... :(   :'(  yeah...it would be real nice to meet you all... "sigh"  oh well i need to cheer up  :-* :-* :-*  next one inshaallah...  :) when is it beginning though? i didn't even hear about it though... is it this week? or is it next week?  will someone let me know plz?? btw, did you guys hear about the two nights event in NY?  A famous islamic scholor from i think Pakistan (or maybe India) is coming.  his name is i think Sayeed Ashad Modni ( probably spelled wrong).  this lecture is going to take place on Manhattan, August 16 & 17th.  i am thinking to go there... if any of you sisters go i would love to meet up.  so anybody going?  :)   and  ;-) Hanif, i did get your joke...don't worry Brojii... you are very much loved by All....  :)  what you should do is show us your smile :)  sometime...  sorry if i wrote anything wrong.   ma salaama
08/05/03 at 15:40:48
IMuslim_4Ever

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Nomi
08/05/03 at 17:41:07
[slm] [quote author=IMuslim_4Ever link=board=bebzi;num=1059514075;start=15#21 date=08/05/03 at 15:37:19] and  ;-) Hanif, i did get your joke...don't worry Brojii... you are very much loved by All....  :)  what you should do is show us your smile :)  sometime...  sorry if i wrote anything wrong.   [/quote] i guess he might do this instead *smiles* *laughs* *grins* etc I dunno why but i like such kinda ppl more...
08/05/03 at 17:41:57
Nomi

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
AyeshaZ
08/06/03 at 10:33:49
he he  [wlm] insha'Allah Ruqqayah, her sis, another friend and I are going  :-*  :-X can't wait to meet all the sistas  [] :-/ :-)

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
theOriginal
08/06/03 at 12:28:36
[slm] Will be going, inshaAllah....really can't wait :) Wasalaam.

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
jannah
08/20/03 at 04:44:54
[wlm] check it outttttttttttttt the programs were just released.. it's mad packed.. can you imagine 13 parallel sessions !!! ACK how are we ever gonna decide which one to go to!! ISNA program: http://www.isna.net/convention/2003/isna.pdf MSA program: http://www.isna.net/convention/2003/msa.pdf

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
BroHanif
08/21/03 at 17:55:01
Salaams, Masah-Allah seems a very packed program on both events. However I thought the MSA one might have interested some of you a bit more Serving the Divine Set A. 11:00 to 11:40pm *shy smile* Another thing is I find the program is really expensive to go to, $120 for a night to stay in the hotel and if theres a family going I guess its even more expensive. If you live on one side of the coast and going to the other would also be another cost factor. I didn't see your name on the list of MSA talkers Jannah? May Allah make the programme a success and may you all learn, practice and propogate to others. Salaams Hanif
NS

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
jannah
08/21/03 at 19:03:25
[wlm] BroHanif that should definitely be an interesting session   :-/  I'll let you know what goes on :) About the expense.. it is actually about $100 a night for the hotel rooms, most people split in with roomates and it's not so bad for the weekend.  $100 is pretty cheap for a decent hotel actually.  There are others nearby that people can book that are much cheaper if they wanted to. There is also the registration fee which is less for students, more for professionals and families.  Most people can save up to go and believe me, most Muslims have the money  they are just cheap when it comes to an Islamic conference for some reason, but if you go anywhere that's how much it costs and probably more. Chicago is smack in the middle of north america so it equals it out for people, plus sometimes they move it to other places so everyone gets a chance. ISNA usually loses money on the convention expenses because they just charge to pay the expenses. Hopefully they'll make up some money for resources and programs  through fundraising inshaallah. Why would i be on the MSA talkers.. i'm like old skool now ;) ameen on ur dua inshaAllah PS: For anyone who's going.. why don't we meet up Friday around dinner time somewhere?
08/21/03 at 19:05:35
jannah

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Ayla_A
08/21/03 at 19:46:53
[slm] I am not going this year, tried to make it, but not going to happen, insha'allah next year. I do have one shameless plug to make though Session 5J "Expressions of Faith" Islamic Arts Discussion Panel Omar Khalidi Zarqa Nawaz - Very good friend and very funny masha'allah Daisy Khan Dawud Wharnsby Ali So if you can make it by and give her some tough questions :) May Allah ta'ala make the convention a wonderful learning experience for all [wlm] Ayla_A

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Ruqayyah
08/23/03 at 13:08:12
[slm] woohoo! i'm so excited now after seeing the program. i should go remove my post in the minaret section about the programs being up, hehe. I think the late night series and the after fajr series sound AWESOME and i'm super excited for muhammad alshareef lectures. i always come out learning so much alhamdulilah! what if we all met at the first late night event on friday? Rhythmic Reflections at 930pm? just a thought :) it sounds like a lot of fun inshallah! does anyone know if you need any supplies for the calligraphy session? Daisy Khan....her name sounds really familiar, was she on one of those pbs shows on muslim people?

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
jannah
08/25/03 at 04:59:51
[wlm] ok everyone send me ur cell phone numbers please!!!  and then i can give you ours.. we're thinking dinner friday evening we can get together inshaAllah!! @ruqayya  i think meeting at a session would be difficult.. those things get packed and there are long lines and ppl all over the place but during dinner it's free time at least for a bit...  as for muhammad al shareef.. love his sessions too but it's like u gotta attend all of them and that's big chunks of time esp when there are so many good sessions going on at the same time!!  ahhhhhh dilemma dilemmaaaaa :) yeah i think daisy khan sounds familiar too was she in one of those pbs documentaries.. don't remember which one tho??
08/25/03 at 05:03:37
jannah

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Ruqayyah
08/25/03 at 12:07:09
[slm] Tru tru jannah, that would be mad hectic! Were people thinking of eating at the convention center? that prolly would be easiest, but if anyone wants to go to the Cheesecake Factory, hehe, let me know  ;D [wlm]

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
theOriginal
08/25/03 at 12:36:51
[slm] cheeeeese caaake   ;D  ;D

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
iowais
08/25/03 at 12:44:47
[slm] I would like to attend the convention, but I have no one to go with :'(. My location is NYC. If you know any one who is driving down to Chicago please let me know :). Thanks   ;D

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Ruqayyah
08/26/03 at 09:04:50
[slm] [quote]cheeeeese caaake      [/quote] hehe, yes their cheesecake is OUT OF THIS WORLD! but they don't just have cheesecake for those who haven't been there, it's this beeeutiful restaurant that has alll sorts of food, w/ huuuuuuuuge portions! so it's real easy to share a meal, which cuts down on the cost :) [i]dreaming of that godiva cheesecake....mmmm....yummmm[/i] [url=http://www.hilton.com/en/hi/hotels/local_maps.jhtml;jsessionid=SRW0G2OQUOWFGCSGBIU2VCQKIYFC3UUC?ctyhocn=CHICHHH&nav_sub~html=null&brand_id=null&nav_bottom~html=null&brand_directory=null&nav_top~html=null]here's a little map of where it is[/url] it's a bit of a walk though. 1.79 miles to be exact, but you gotta work off that cheesecake, right?  :D   The addy for the restaurant is 875 N Michigan Ave Chicago, IL 60611-1803 Phone: (312) 337-1101 So if people aren't up for like a 40 min walk, hehe maybe it's best we at at the convention center :)
08/26/03 at 09:21:09
Ruqayyah

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Trustworthy
08/26/03 at 16:44:35
[slm] Cheesecake  :o.  We have got to go there.  If we speed walk, we can get there in 20 minutes.  No problem. But if I start scratching my thighs, don't get concerned, I'm allergic to using my legs in a speeding fashion. I'm all packed and ready to go.  Can't wait to meet all of you insha-Allah. Ma-asalaama.....

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
readagain
08/26/03 at 16:56:14
[slm] ppl ill be there toooo [img]http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons/08.gif[/img]somewhere in a corner,sitting quietly, :( thinking how everone attended friday n saturday sessions when i didnt.. :'( cos i cant..but inshallah ill be there for sat night sisters thing..n inshallah whole day sunday YAYAYAYYAYAYAYAY  :-*. anyone willing to go to the cheesecake factory, i suggest also check out the Art and History Museum which is if i remember correctly by the intersection of Michigan Avenue n Jackson...(or was it Addison  ??? hmmm) anyways..its worth it. :-)

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
jannah
08/26/03 at 17:52:04
[wlm][quote] I'm all packed and ready to go. [/quote] holy kabobs......!!!  i have got NOTHIN ready...haven't even printed out any of the receipts and intineraries...tryin to work up the energy to do my laundry right now.. maan

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Ruqayyah
08/26/03 at 17:56:31
[slm] [quote]tryin to work up the energy to do my laundry right now.. maan[/quote] hehe, i was up till 3 AM doing laundry last night! granted i used it as an excuse to stay up, but it took me a lot longer to do 4 loads than i thought it would!  ;D

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
AyeshaZ
08/27/03 at 00:35:03
LOL sr.Readooo u crack me up!! thanx for finding my *key*!! ohh the cheese cake fac is amaaaaaaaaziiiiiiiiiingggggggg !!  :-X :-* :-X he he soo anyyhoooo ruqayyah is driving us!! soo very exciting!! OHH dooooooo check out the srs.entertainment!!  :-* insha'Allah we have a very special sister reading some awesome poetry!  []

Re: ISNAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaa who be goin?
Ruqayyah
08/27/03 at 20:31:13
[slm] if people want cheeeeeesecake factory, let me know how many peeps are comin so we can make reservations inshallah.
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