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| Caraj |
| 08/04/03 at 14:35:18 |
| I saw this headline today and BOY!!!!!!!!! did it make me stop and think :-[ MadinaNews: Whoever loves to meet Allah, Allah loves to meet him. (Bukhari) I use to really look forward to meeting the Almighty but now I actually worry about it. If I am Christian and wrong I am destine to hell If I am Muslim and wrong I am destine to hell Am I too open minded that I want to look for and seek him, but am not set in a specific religion, other than my basic beliefs? I wonder if I am too open minded cause I want to look beyond my own walls, I want to know for myself Islam not just take someone elses word for it. I want to know other views and beliefs and know others and not live in a bubble. Is my mother to close minded as not to look outside her beliefs or is she just 'grounded' in her faith? Is she living in a bubble or is she grounded? I think I'll go to the ocean or a cliff overlooking the ocean and sit and talk to him. I don't feel comfortable in a church, I have never been to a mosque. But out in nature I feel closest to him and I think we need to have a good heart to heart. But we'll have a talk, think he will be listening to me if I go and pour my heart out and tell him my desires and concerns about all this religion stuff? I hope so cause I need some peace of mind and direction in all this. My gut feeling is we ARE ALL part of the big puzzel and we all fit together we just don't know it. But I think I'll go ask him(God/Allah) about it. :-[ :) |
| 08/04/03 at 14:42:41 |
| Caraj |
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| Trustworthy |
| 08/04/03 at 14:51:07 |
| [slm] Sister, may Allah (SWT) guide you rightly. So far it looks good. Speak to Him (SWT) from anywhere. In deep prayer, Sujud position is best (prayer). In deep thought, nature helps me get closer. I was once in such a deep thought/conversation with Him (SWT) that I literally blacked out for a few minutes. Couldn't tell ya' what happened because I can't explain it. So I am so sure He (SWT) listens. May be a cliff isn't such a good idea sister. The ebst...Ma-asalaama... |
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| Caraj |
| 08/04/03 at 16:51:53 |
| [quote author=Trustworthy link=board=madrasa;num=1060018518;start=0#1 date=08/04/03 at 14:51:07] [slm] Sister, may Allah (SWT) guide you rightly. So far it looks good. Speak to Him (SWT) from anywhere. In deep prayer, Sujud position is best (prayer). In deep thought, nature helps me get closer. I was once in such a deep thought/conversation with Him (SWT) that I literally blacked out for a few minutes. Couldn't tell ya' what happened because I can't explain it. So I am so sure He (SWT) listens. May be a cliff isn't such a good idea sister. The ebst...Ma-asalaama...[/quote] Well now that you mentioned blacking out, I'll make sure I am sitting back from the cliff ;) What is Sujud postion? There are some awesome cliffs by the ocean around here and with the sun shine, the breeze and the sound of the gulls and waves crashing and looking out to see if you can spot a whale or seal playing........(sigh)....... it is like heaven to me. I'm going tomorrow. I'll be careful and be safe. :) |
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| Trustworthy |
| 08/04/03 at 20:38:38 |
| [slm] Good to hear you're taking my advice about the cliff. When I Muslim prays (5 times daily) to Allah (SWT), they go thru a series of positions. 1.Stand 2. Bend at hips: rukuh 3. Stand 4. Sujud/sajdah bowing with forehead on the ground 5. Repeat No worries there Sis. He (SWT) does listen no matter what even when you don't speak. Ma-asalaama..... |
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| BrKhalid |
| 08/05/03 at 10:00:28 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]If I am Christian and wrong I am destined to hell If I am Muslim and wrong I am destined to hell[/quote] Now now Azizah there’s no need to be so defeatist ;-) I think it’s a great idea to go somewhere quiet and contemplate. And then come back and tell us what happened. ;-) |
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| Halima |
| 08/05/03 at 10:57:30 |
| I hope these will help you somehow: There is no god but God, who lives eternally. Neither slumber nor sleep overtakes him. To him belongs everything in the heavens and on the earth. Who can intercede with him, except by his permission? He knows what lies before and behind all people. Human beings can only understand those parts of his truth which he wishes them to understand. His throne is as vast as the sky and the earth; and sustaining both the sky and the earth does not weary him. He is the highest and the greatest. -Qur'an, Al-Baqara, Surah 2:255 God allows people to err as he chooses, and he leads people onto the right path as he chooses. God holds the key to the unseen treasures; no one knows these treasures except him. He knows every creature on land and in the sea. A leaf does not fall without God knowing it. There is no seed in the soil that God does not know. There is nothing green or dry of which God is not aware. Everything is recorded in his glorious book. -Qur'an, Al-An'am, Surah 6:59 Allah knows best. He sees and knows your dilemma. |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 08/05/03 at 19:22:05 |
| [slm] ;D Just a thought about the Trinity; it can't possibly be perfect if each piece is co-dependant on the other two. An omnipotent being wouldn't be dependant on anything. But, with the Trinity, the Father is dependant on the Son and the Holy Ghost... now that kinda stresses me, because, according to Christians the Son, uhm, died ::) So I guess God ceased to exist at that point because God needs to be three, according to the Trinity. But God can't cease to exist because God is perfect, so the only way to achieve that is by being One :) As well, Jesus alayhi salam prayed and prostrated to God, which would mean one is greater than the other, which would mean all three parts of the Trinity are not equal. But the Trinity is supposed to be Son = Father = Holy Ghost, while at the same time they're supposed to be different beings, meaning, they're not equal... It's too confusing to understand the Trinity, which in itself gets me thinking; Why would God have so much confusion surrounding such a basic and essential aspect of the True Faith... I don't think He would, thus I can draw the conclusion that I'm confident Jesus alayhi salam is, in fact, not God ;D There's many good books that examine the Holy Trinity very thoroughly, using the Bibles as references for everything. Actually, here's an excellent link you may want to check out, Azizah: Haa I'm sorry my computer is going whack, I'll edit the post to include the link and the rest in a few minutes ^^; http://www.thereligioustruth.com/sixtyquestions.htm http://www.thereligioustruth.com/christianity.htm <-- About half those articles are on the Trinity, I put the above one seperately because I remember it most :D http://wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/library/jesus-say/ch1.2.2.5.html <-- I only read the first and last paragraph of this one, ya know, pressed for time. Seems very solid though alhumdillAllah. I'll pray that Allah guides you towards the truth :) Good luck ;D [slm] |
| 08/05/03 at 19:28:46 |
| WhiteSomali |
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| sal |
| 08/06/03 at 07:28:41 |
| [left] [slm] The confession to our sins is the right way to meet ALLAH . if you feel a chrsitian doing wrong or a muslem not at the right path . but the spiritual fear inside ourselves from ALLAH due to our sins is indicationg that we fear ALLAH ALLAH SAYS THAT he turns all our wrong deeds to right .right as soon as we repent from that and he is more merciful even than this for example A sinful man through out his l ife asked his people to burn him after he dies . and then throw the ash in the air so that ALLAH wont find a body to punish , well that was his human poor thinking that he can escape from ALLAH to punish him , but the point was that he actually feared ALLAH. The first question he was asked at the day of judegement was , why you did say this ? to be burned ? he replied becouse I know I had no any credit to qualify me stand infront of you in such a day day . and I was afraid of you to punsih me for my big sins . so I preffered to escape . ALLAH said to him AS LONG AS YOU ARE AWARE THAT THERE IS ALLAH THAT CAN PUNISH . SO YOU BELIEVED IN MY GREATNESS , I CAN PUNISH AND FORGIVE ,AND SO YOU ARE FORGIVEN GO TO THE HEAVEN . consequently this man went to the heaven ,The more we feel we are sinful the more ALLAH forgives .we are all making sins daily . It is under his mercy we can go to heaven and not because of our deeds . Thinking of ALLAH . whether ,. it is a fear or love or admiring his greatness is the best prayer , ALLAH LOVES WHEN HIS CREATURE thinks of him .No matter his /her sins . apparently azizah is lucky to have such attribute . AND inshallah you will meet him may we all meet him ;-) [/left] |
| 08/06/03 at 07:34:14 |
| sal |
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| Nabila |
| 08/07/03 at 15:48:00 |
| [slm] Just clarify a point - please correct me if I am wrong. In Islam, we do not believe that everyone who is not a Muslim will go to hell forever and ever. I.e. Just because you are a Muslim doesnt mean you are automatically going to Jannah, and just becuase you are not a Muslim doesnt mean you are automatically going to hell. Only Allaah is the final judge. I seem to remember that in the Quran or hadith it says something like, ''Any one with an atoms weight of faith will enter paradise.'' Also, once said Muhammad (pbuh), no one will get into heaven, except by the mercy of Allaah. His companions (the sahaba) asked if that that applied to him also. The prophet (saws) said yes. Also, I remember a hadith in which a jewish man had ordered the cremation of his body upon his death. When this was done, Allaah (swt) bought him together, as He is able to do all things, subhaan allaah. He asked the man why he had done this to his corpse. The Jew replied it was because of his fear of Allaah. For this, he was granted Paradise. This is only what I know, so correct me if Ive said anything wrong. ma asalaamah and take care |
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| BrKhalid |
| 08/09/03 at 01:36:31 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) Abu Sa'id Khudri reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said that a person amongst the earlier nations before you was conferred property and children by Allah, He said to his children: 'You must do as I command you to do, otherwise I will make others besides you as my inheritors. As I die, burn my body and blow my ashes in the wind as I do not find any merit of mine which would please Allah, and if Allah were to take hold of me, He would punish me. He took a pledge from them and they did as he commanded thein to do. Allah said: What prompted you to do this? He said: My Lord. Thine fear, and Allah did not punish him at all. [Muslim] In the Islamic tradition, the sincere followers of Musa [as] during his Prophethood and up until the time of Isa [as] will enter Jannah. Likewise, the sincere followers of Isa [as] during his time and until Muhammad [saw] will enter Jannah. This is because they were both following the guidance sent down to them by Allah at that time. Hence you can see that if all the Jews followed the advice of Musa [as] they would have converted to Christianity with the arrival of Isa [as] and these Christians would have all become Muslims with the arrival of Muhammad [saw]. Thus there wouldn’t be three religions in the world but only one. I hope the above helps put the Hadith into some sort of context. |
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| Sparrow |
| 08/10/03 at 19:26:43 |
| Hi All: Aziza's post made me wonder, does God reward the struggle? I mean, I am always wanting to believe and not quite making it. I just can't quite make that leap of faith. If there is a God, does he know how hard I have tried? Will He take that into consideration, or condemn me for failure to commit? Wondering, Sparrow. |
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| timbuktu |
| 08/13/03 at 01:46:48 |
| [slm] assalam-o-alaykum all, i wondered if i should write anything, or leave the strugglers alone, but this is important. You have a class of students. You know some of your students struggle with the concepts you have discussed with them, but they don't write out what they have come up with. You also know them & their families well. You know them much better than do their families, or themselves. So you know that they could have written out what conclusions they have drawn, but they did not. what marks would you give them? Allah (swt) knows us better than we do ourselves. & there is a Hadith, which says something like whoever heard of the prophet Muhammad [saw], & did not believe in him & the message he brought, will not enter heaven. That is very sobering, & i would like some learned brother or sister to quote the actual words. I think you may take all the time in the world to make sure that Islam is the true deen. Once you are sure, you have to declare the faith in public. But do not leave it until it is too late. This is what i have understood. [center]wa maa alaina illal balaghul mubeen[/center] & we are obliged only to bring & clarify the message wa assalam |
| 08/13/03 at 02:08:48 |
| timbuktu |
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| bismilla |
| 08/13/03 at 05:06:28 |
[slm] [quote author=lady_murasaki_sa link=board=madrasa;num=1060018518;start=0#8 date=08/07/03 at 15:48:00] [slm] Just clarify a point - please correct me if I am wrong. In Islam, we do not believe that everyone who is not a Muslim will go to hell forever and ever. I.e. Just because you are a Muslim doesnt mean you are automatically going to Jannah, and just becuase you are not a Muslim doesnt mean you are automatically going to hell. Only Allaah is the final judge. I seem to remember that in the Quran or hadith it says something like, ''Any one with an atoms weight of faith will enter paradise.'' [/quote] There's this verse in Surah Al-Baqarah : [bsm] [font=comic sans ms][color=green]62. Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. [/color][/font] [i]..and Allah swt knows best[/i] Source : http://www.islamicity.com/mosque/QURAN/2.htm |
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| Nabila |
| 08/13/03 at 07:37:08 |
| [slm] Thankyou bismillah. Bro Khalid, if you could elaborate a bit more, Id appreciate it :) Jazaakhallaahu khair. ma asalaamah and take care |
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| BrKhalid |
| 08/14/03 at 06:16:32 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]Those who believe (in the Qur'an), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve[2:62][/quote] There is also a near identical verse in Surah Al Maidah Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians and the Christians,- any who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness,- on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve[5:69] The Jews in the above verse are not the Jews of today but those Jews who followed the guidance sent down by Allah to Musa[as] [Moses] in the Torah. Since that was the Law for their time, they will enter Jannah for obeying Allah’s commands. The Christians in the above verse are not the Christians of today but those Christians who followed the guidance sent down by Allah to Isa[as] [Jesus] in the Injeel. Since that was the Law for their time, they will enter Jannah for obeying Allah’s commands. As mentioned above, the Jews were commanded by Allah to follow Isa [as] when he was sent by Allah. Hence there should have been only one religion at the time, namely Christianity and Judaism would have become extinct. Similarly, the Christians were commanded by Allah to follow Muhammad [saw] when he was sent by Allah. Thus Islam should be the only religion in our time. It is because some people continued to adhere to their original faith that we now have three main religions in the world. Today the Law sent down by Allah to mankind is Islam as described to us by Muhammad [saw] and no other religion is acceptable. “And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers” [3:85] See the answer from [url=http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=2912&dgn=3]Islam Q&A[/url] [quote]I mean, I am always wanting to believe and not quite making it. I just can't quite make that leap of faith. If there is a God, does he know how hard I have tried? Will He take that into consideration, or condemn me for failure to commit?[/quote] Sparrow as ever with these type of questions Allah knows best. But of course Allah knows what lies in your heart and your intentions and as such will judge accordingly. |
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| Nomi |
| 08/14/03 at 07:42:30 |
| Came across these verses of the Noble Qur'an and wanted to share them with you guys ======== As-Saff, verse 9 He it is Who hath sent His Messenger with the guidance and the religion of truth, that He make it conqueror of all religion however much idolaters may be averse. ======== Al-Baqarah, verse 135 And they say: Be jews or Christians, then ye will be rightly guided. Say (unto them O Muhammad): Nay, but (we follow) the religion of Abraham, the upright, and he was not of the idolaters ======== Al-Imran, Verse 85 And whose seeketh as religion other than the surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the hereafter ======== Al-Maedah, verse 3 This day are those who disbelieve in despair of (ever harming) your religion for you and completed My favour unto you, and have chosen for you a religion Al-Islam whoso is forced by hunger, nop by will, to sin: (for him) Lo! Allah is forgiving, Merciful. ======== Al Maedah, verse 54 O ye who believe! whoso of you becometh a renegade from his religion, (know that in his stead) Allah will bring a peope who He loveth and who love him, hunble towards believers, stern towards disbelievers, striving in the way of Allah and fearing not the blame of any harmer, Such is the grace of Allah which he giveth unto whom He will. Allah is all Embracing, All Knowing. ========= Ash-Shu`ra, verse 21 Or have the partners (of Allah) who have made lawful for them in religion that which Allah allowed not? And but for a decisive word (gone forth already), it would have been judged between them. Lo! for wrong doers is a painful doom. ========= Al-Mu`minuun, verse 52 And LO! this your religion, is the only true religion, and i am your Lord, so keep your duty unto Me. ========= Take Care. |
| 08/14/03 at 07:44:38 |
| Nomi |
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| Ayatullah19 |
| 08/15/03 at 06:02:06 |
| Glory be to the almighty Allah who has granted us conscience and glory be to Him who is guiding you. Your deep thinking and reasoning shows you are a candidate the almighty Allah is stretching His hands to come on to the straight path, you should congratulate yourself! I am joyous that you are aware that if you are a Christian and you are wrong hell is the destiny and if a Muslim you are wrong hell is equally the destiny. To confirm your assertion, recently in course of my quest to purify my soul as a muslim, I found myself at the gate of hell (infact in hell!) I became fully aware that Allah the exalted is not partial, when I returned to myself, it was as if the ground should open up and swallow me. This experience proved to me that our creator is indeed the most gracious, because despite all He 'revealed' to me about my dirty and stupid self He still has mercy on me in my living on this earth. I therefore wish to advise you as follows: *Know it fully well that Christianity is not the path to the Creator *Know it NOW that ISLAM is the path to the Creator - Allah. *Know it that from what you have written you are on the path to Islam all you are waiting for is to be formally flagged on to begin the journey. *Know it that the best book that can guide you is the Quran (Get the english translation if you cannot read arabic) *Know it that when you read the Quran you need your conscience to guide you to make up your mind, forget all the sunday school stories you have been told of old, forget all but use your conscience. *Keep your conscience alive and Allah will guide you. |
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