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14th August, Pakistan's independence day
timbuktu
08/14/03 at 08:29:25
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56 years ago, we achieved a sort of independence. We now know that we have not been fully so, but we are certainly better off than we were under British rule. And we have been able to do far more for the Ummah than we would have been if the British had direct rule over us.

We still have a long way to go, & an era of another Empire is upon us. It won't be direct like the British, but indirect. New challenges, new threats, new generation & new opportunities to spread the Truth.

i was born the same year as Pakistan. now i have started feeling old & my generation is on its way out, but the country is still young.

& i have always felt that the reason for Pakistan's creation was the Ummah. No muslim who seeks refuge here, should be denied that refuge. No muslim who calls for help from anywhere around the globe, should have his/ her call unanswered.

& of course, it means the Ummah should be united. that is what we should work for. I think Allah (swt) has taken some work from me in that direction, & i pray that until my last breath HE keeps on taking work out of me.

& i pray for Ummah to be taken out of its slumber & slavery, & all my brothers' & sisters' problems to be sorted out in HIS most Gracious ways, & that HE give us all the best in both worlds.

aameen
08/14/03 at 08:33:17
timbuktu
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
bhaloo
08/14/03 at 09:33:49
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I haven't been to Pakistan during August.  What's August 14th like over there?  Out here there is a Pakistani day celebration this saturday at one of the local colleges, thousands of people will be there.  
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
Nomi
08/14/03 at 16:58:37
From a post of mine in the ZamZam stand...

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And tomorrow (14th Aug) is the independence day of Pakistan, i'm told and history books are filled with it that Pakistan was made in the name of islam a land where Muslims may independently follow islamic teachings, *sigh* and look at our people, our youth. Corruption, vulgarity,... its all on the rise, our govt. is finding more ways to make media more vulgar (a'maalukum ummalukum).

Tomorrow night the youth will be out on the streets, shouting, making lots of noise, the main roads will be bursting with people, young boys on their bikes with dismentaled silencers! not realizing that this day is to contemplate and learn from loads of our mistakes from the past. *sigh*

But things are changing, there are two visible groups now, one striving in deen (although in minority) and the other tangled up in dunya. But things will improve inshAllah.

A proud pakistani who prays in Allah to also use him in bringing a positive change here.
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Asim Zafar.

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A significant date ... or is it?
Abu_Hamza
08/14/03 at 20:39:02
Assalamu alaikum,

Glancing at the clock to see the time, my eyes locked upon the 6 digits that represented today's date.  Suddenly it occurred to me that today was a signifcant day, the 14th of August, the independence day of Pakistan from British rule in 1947.

I thought for a minute about what I had just noticed, and started to ponder.  At first, I had a sense of guilt in my heart for not remembering the birth of my motherland.  The old patriotic Pakistani somehow woke up from the deep valleys of my heart, just for a second, and I felt I had left my love for my country back home 10 years ago when I moved to the US.  For what kind of patriot would forget the independence day of his own homeland!  

I began to doubt myself though, and almost started defending my own conscience!  Is it really Islamic to celebrate independence days of Muslim countries?  What am I so happy about?  The birth of yet another materialistic nation which is only Muslim by name?  Is that really significant according to Islamic standards?

The answer quickly came from within, that indeed it was a significant date.  For it was on this day that years of struggle of the Muslims of Hindustan had translated into success.  They had finally accomplished freedom from the slavery of the British.  On their way to this day, they had not cared about wealth, time, money or even their precious lives.  Then why should one not be happy to remember the success of these people after what they went through.

But then reality set in, again, in my heart.  Freedom from what? - I asked.  Aren't we still slaves today.  No, not physically, but psychologically, ideologically and mentally.  We are still slaves of the West, following them step by step and inch by inch into the hole of darkness.  The British were kicked out of South Asia in 1947 physically, but their influence on the minds of people are still prevalent today in full force.

So what is there to be happy about on this day?  Sadly, nothing!  Because physical freedom is not good enough for a man who truly loves the essence of "Freedom".  Indeed, it is a day to mourn.  Yes, mourn the fact that the sacrifices of our forefathers have (so far) gone to waste.  That we have not been able to free ourselves from the enslavement of the West till this day, 53 years after the "independence", but worse, we've sunk deeper into the ocean of this ideological slavery.

If anything, today is a day to reflect and resolve.  The task of our forefathers and the vision of Allama Iqbal, Maulana Maududi and the like remains to be fulfilled.  They did their part and left.  They accomplished much, but left much to be accomplished.  It is up to us now to lift up that torch and to deliver it to the finish line.  And if not all the way, then to whatever distance we can, even if we die on the way.

This is the resolve of today, and the commitment.  No celebrations.  No fireworks.  No parades.  Rather, plans, prayers and oaths of continuing struggle - until victory is finally at our feet.

May Allah help us and give us success.  Ameen.

Wassalamu alaikum.

08.14.2000
08/14/03 at 20:40:53
Abu_Hamza
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
superFOB
08/15/03 at 07:20:43
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[quote]The task of our forefathers and the vision of Allama Iqbal, Maulana Maududi and the like remains to be fulfilled[/quote]

[color=black]Maulana Maududi campaigned against a separate muslim state, if I recall my history correctly. And Jinnah, the only statesman from the muslim side, was an Ismaili, considered a deviant sect by most mainstream religious opinions. And Pakistan, the state (not the idea), is one slimy, gooey mess today. And maulvis/maulanas of all colors still can't swallow the partition. No wonder I am confused and with every 'yom-e-azadi', the celebration loses its meaning a little bit more.[/color]
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
timbuktu
08/15/03 at 07:32:05
[slm] Jinnah was born in a Bohra (not Ismaili) family, but became sufficiently detached from it to marry one of his sisters to a sunni muslim, or so i read quite some time ago. & he never saw his daughter sfter she married a non-muslim (Parsi).

Most Muslim religious leaders were against the division of India, & they may have had reasons which we find odd today, but once Pakistan was in being, they all came round to defending is as a separate entity. So one should not use their previous views to condemn them.

i have never been a follower of any particular leader, but let us remember that Maududi had a vision of a Muslim State, & once he moved to Pakistan, he struggled to establish it here.
08/16/03 at 12:32:13
timbuktu
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
panjul
08/15/03 at 09:57:06
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I don't have much time here but I'm glad we separated from India, otherwise I wonder if my family or I would have been victims of Hindu hate and been killed?

I agree with a lot of what you said Arsalan, however, I think that despite all that for moral as well as political reasons, the creation of Pakistan is a cause worth celebrating. I do't know celebrating as in having dance parties or 'melas' where so much negative stuff is going on, but celebrating it in the heart and saying thanks to Allah.



Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
Nomi
08/15/03 at 10:05:01
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I'll second what bro timbaktu said and although the majority here still is slave psychologically, ideologically and mentally which is something to be ashamed of but physical freedom is indeed a blessing and we should thank Allah for that. Look at Palestine, chechnia, Kashmir, Gujrat!!

Ya Allah thanks for this freedom and please help us be free the real way. Ah! "but God doesn't change fate of those nations who themselves dont care about changing it".
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
BroHanif
08/15/03 at 16:01:11
Celebrate for what ?
Pakistan has only been seperated to contain the religious guys like those in minority. It has possibly one of the best armies in the world, and they could be utilised for so many *obvious* purposes but time and time again there is silence from the Pak Army. Why?

I don't know if there are much grounds for celebrating, its the same everywhere Indonesia, Malaysia and other so called Muslim countries, only Muslim in name not in act. I mean just look at the OIC(organisation of Islamic Countries)when they have meetings its awful in purpose, structure and way forward( all hot talk), man I thought my meetings were bad, but go to these meetings and you realise why we are so behind in progress.

Salaams

Hanif
NS
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
Nomi
08/15/03 at 16:12:59
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[quote author=BroHanif link=board=ummah;num=1060860565;start=0#8 date=08/15/03 at 16:01:11]
It has possibly one of the best armies in the world[/quote]

But u see that army is now going to be sent to iraq to defend uncle sam's "chicken with the guns". Mr. Musharraf SIR has agreed with the proposal of US, even india said NO to sending its army to iraq but our pride, Mr. Musharraf, has done it again!

Man! i'm ashamed. Muslims are again gonna kill Muslims, thats what happens when you've got westernized, materialistic, slave minded leading you.

Some protests are expected against Musharraf's decision soon, ulama (shayukh) have issued some strict fatwas with many referrences from Qur'an against this decission and those who'll obey it. Lets pray and hope for the best.
08/15/03 at 16:14:04
Nomi
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
panjul
08/15/03 at 23:19:55
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Mr. Musharraf, has done it again!

When did he make that decision? I haven't read anything in the news. Last time I heard of it, the pakistani government said the only way they would *consider* sending troops to Iraq would be if the UN approved the occupation. That was a no. The Americans are pressing the Indians and the Pakistanis still. (Turkey too). Do you know where I can read up on the latest information that the decision has been made?

People think that muslims should throw every request that comes from non-muslims back in their faces in the rudest way possible, but it doesn't work like that in politics. If America stopped buying pakistani products, the largest foreign buyer, then the economy would be down (as if it already isn't) the very next day. So.....before we criticize the way governments handle things we should look at everything.

That's not to say that Pakistan should send troops to Pakistan or that they should jump whenever the US asks them to.....sometimes we are too quick to criticize

Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
timbuktu
08/16/03 at 00:57:52
[quote author=panjul link=board=ummah;num=1060860565;start=0#10 date=08/15/03 at 23:19:55] ......... So.....before we criticize the way governments handle things we should look at everything........[/quote]

that is very true. governments have to walk a very tight rope, & privately, we should give that a consideration. but we can try a little pressure tactics to keep the governments in line. our leaders have been known to sell us out, & they are very westernised. you wouldn't want to know on this board what we have been hearing about our general's exploits.
08/16/03 at 12:34:00
timbuktu
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
Nomi
08/16/03 at 04:38:24
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[quote author=panjul link=board=ummah;num=1060860565;start=0#10 date=08/15/03 at 23:19:55]
If America stopped buying pakistani products, the largest foreign buyer, then the economy would be down (as if it already isn't) the very next day. So..... [/quote]

Iqbal once said

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aA taer-a-lahootee, us rizq say mott achee
jis rizq say aatee ho perwaaz mae kotahee
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But i do agree with you that one has to be political in dealing with such cases but having said that, as we are talking about sending the troops here so these political games must result in saying NO to uncle sam.
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
Nomi
08/16/03 at 16:53:26
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Mr. Musharraf was in the news lately, he said we denied them our troops.

Alhamdulillah for that, may it remain that way!

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Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
BroHanif
08/17/03 at 12:04:19
Salaams,

[quote]If America stopped buying pakistani products, the largest foreign buyer, then the economy would be down (as if it already isn't) the very next day. So.....before we criticize the way governments handle things we should look at everything.  [/quote]

So what if it does, better to save your face for Allah than to have your pocket lined with copper coins at the expense of sacrificing Islam. What happened to our consciousnesses? Hey? Do we love the dunya so much that we are ready to agree trade agreements, loans and such at the expense of our religion?. Amazing, we Muslims will never achieve victory unless we really remove our rose-tinted glasses and begin to think with an open mind. Our rizq comes from Allah not Uncle Sam, why can't we develop good trade links with other Muslim countries? Its quite easy yet as Muslims of today we always look for the easiest and quickest options.

Salaams

Hanif
Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
panjul
08/19/03 at 00:04:59
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So what if it does, better to save your face for Allah than to have your pocket lined with copper coins at the expense of sacrificing Islam

Tell that to the guy who pushes a cart in 110 degrees in the heat of pakistan.

There are more than one way to save face with Allah. Until muslim countries don't start to trade with each other, what does one do?

And I wonder why Allah has blessed the west so much, and given so little to the Muslims? (now that is? it's a rhetorical question)
yes rizq comes from Allah, Allah gives His rizq to nonmuslims too, and Allah's providing for us through them. Why? {again, not looking for an answer}



Re: 14th August, Pakistan's independence day
timbuktu
08/19/03 at 01:28:40
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I would agree but have questions:

governments use the aid (loan) to line their own pockets. it never ever trickles down to the poor man. We have $12 billion in the kitty, & those livng below the poverty line have increased in percentage. a third of the population below this line! It is mind-boggling. I see & hear how the goodies are distributed.

i don't like violence. on studying the efforts made by trying violent changes, it seems no muslim country has managed to break the bonds thru' this means. & we have given blood, in quantity.

so, does the answer lie in violent overthrow of governments?

08/19/03 at 03:58:56
timbuktu


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