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| About Adam (AS) |
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| Fozia |
| 08/15/03 at 16:44:04 |
| [slm] OK I'm not new to Islam. Still I've a question. Not long ago I was visited by a Jehovahs witness, me being me, couldn't make the usual excuses and shut the door on her face but I just had to speak to her. Anyways, she told me that paradise was really another word for this world and we were all meant to live forever but because of 'the original sin' we won't. I told her I'm muslim I'm answerable only for my own actions and sins (which are enough thank-you very much), and the word paradise doesn't appear in the quran, Eden might be closer. She didn't tell me how Eden was another word for this world, instead she said, Adam and Eve ate from the forbidden tree when God had told them not to and they were punished with death.... OK so my question, was there a punishment threatened to Adam (AS) for eating from the forbidden tree?? As for living forever in this world.... all I can say to that is yikes double yikes.... :o I hope someone can answer my question. Jazakallah khair in advance. Wasalaam |
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| Nomi |
| 08/16/03 at 17:37:07 |
| [slm] As far as i know, Adam [peace be upon Him] was just forbidden and not warned for some punishment for eating from the forbidden tree. Another thing thats obvious from this incident is that, even Adam [AS] was punished for not obeying God then how come many christians say that sacrifice of Jesus [peace be upon Him] covers all their sins !! |
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| sal |
| 08/16/03 at 18:51:57 |
| [slm] The punishment was not the death . it is taking them out of the paradise . and that paradise is not the JANNAH al KHULUD ( the heaven that is after death ) it was a paradize on earth . the proof is , in the heaven ALLAH told us, no death no sickness . so his dying proves that the paradise was on this earth . I think the AYA that says ASSA TIKRAHU SHAIAN WA HUWE KHAIR LAKUM WA TAHIBU SHAIAN WA HUWE SHARAN LAKUM ( YOU MIGHT HATE SOME THING THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND MAY LIKE SOME THING THAT IS BAD FOR YOU If we look at this AYYAH The mistake ADAM (P B UH) commited by eating the forbidden tree . after ALLAH has forgiven him , was the KHAIR ( GOOD) becouse the heaven he is entered after death is much more better than the paradise he is depotred from , and those of us who may think the satanic way .oh why he did this ? we could be born in the paradise . the aanswer is , the road is open for the better HEAVEN more chances are there to enter so do the effort and you will be there .inshallah [wlm] |
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| Fozia |
| 08/18/03 at 10:00:11 |
| [slm] Jazakallah to both the borthers. [quote author=Nomi link=board=lighthouse;num=1060976644;start=0#1 date=08/16/03 at 17:37:07][slm] Another thing thats obvious from this incident is that, even Adam [AS] was punished for not obeying God then how come many christians say that sacrifice of Jesus [peace be upon Him] covers all their sins !![/quote] You know br. Nomi, this has just struck me, thank-you, Hmm something to ask the Jehovah's witness should she pop by again.... Wasalaam |
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| Kathy |
| 08/18/03 at 11:01:57 |
[slm] The punishment was to be with the "wrong doers." [quote]We said: "O Adam! Dwell you and your wife in the Paradise and both of you freely with pleasure and delight of things therein as wherever you will but come not near this tree or you both will be of the Zalimeen (wrongdoers)."7:19[/quote] |
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| eleanor |
| 08/20/03 at 09:09:11 |
| [slm] I think Jesus was meant to die for all the Christians (note the name) who came after him. Adam was before him and obviously wasn't a Christian since there was no Christ yet. Allahu Ahlam |
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| Nomi |
| 08/20/03 at 09:24:01 |
| [slm] Then it would mean that christians think that God doesn't consider all humanity to be equal ? This would be like blaming God (naudobillah). Muslims believe in a single God who is Almighty, Al-encompassing and just to humanity regardless of their color, cast and whatever us humans distinguish each other by. |
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| eleanor |
| 08/21/03 at 08:47:47 |
| [slm] well naturally... since, like the Jews believe that they are the chosen people, Christians believe that you have to believe in Christ to be saved - ergo all the unbelievers are going to hell, regardless of whether they spent their lives helping others, doing good deeds etc. I think what everyone, Muslims included, need to recognise is that only Allah reserves the right to judge who is entering into Paradise and who is going to hell. There are enough ahadith about people who spent their lives in sin, only to have all their sins wiped out by a single good deed. This is why we should never prejudge anyone, call them Kuffar or similar, and announce to all and sundry that they are going to hell. Allahu Ahlam |
| 08/21/03 at 08:48:39 |
| eleanor |
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| Nomi |
| 08/21/03 at 09:32:12 |
| [slm] [quote author=eleanor link=board=lighthouse;num=1060976644;start=0#7 date=08/21/03 at 08:47:47] This is why we should never prejudge anyone, call them Kuffar or similar, and announce to all and sundry that they are going to hell. Allahu Ahlam[/quote] MashAllah, well said sis. But i dont think it relates to my post as i think i didn't say anything that sends out this impression :) [slm] A brother in islaam |
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| eleanor |
| 08/22/03 at 08:45:49 |
| [slm] no, sorry if you got that impression. I just kind of got on a rant there. Had something to do with some personal problems and contacts that I have at the moment. sorry about that again :) and sorry to the original poster if the direction of the thread has changed :'( |
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| Fozia |
| 08/22/03 at 12:52:07 |
| [quote author=eleanor link=board=lighthouse;num=1060976644;start=0#9 date=08/22/03 at 08:45:49] [slm] no, sorry if you got that impression. I just kind of got on a rant there. Had something to do with some personal problems and contacts that I have at the moment. sorry about that again :) and sorry to the original poster if the direction of the thread has changed :'([/quote] [slm] No need to apologise Sr. Eleanor, I was thinking of asking the J.W exactly that, what of all the prophets pre-Jesus (AS), what's her take on them surely she must blieve in Moses (AS) at the very least. Sr. Kathy Jazakallah for the quote that was exactly what I was hoping for when I posted the question. Wasalaam |
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