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| tryharder |
| 08/23/03 at 18:46:00 |
| [slm] Ameera and I want to know what this is all about .... Volume 7, Book 62, Number 30: Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.' -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Volume 7, Book 62, Number 31: Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Evil omen was mentioned before the Prophet: The Prophet said, "If there is evil omen in anything, it is in the house, the woman and the horse." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Volume 7, Book 62, Number 32: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: Allah's Apostle said, "If at all there is bad omen, it is in the horse, the woman, and the house." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33: Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? [] [] [] [] we are trying to cool off ................................... |
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| jannah |
| 08/23/03 at 23:42:08 |
| [wlm] sounds like those are all things of the dunya that a person should be careful not to take to extremes....getting so involved with women, horses, houses ie sexuality, wealthy and money and power women have a lot of power over men...(guys can be really weak at times eh ;)) men should realize this and make sure they stay on the straight path, and know that Allah will judge them on their relationships with women and their responsibility towards them so it's definitely a test and affliction. |
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| Kathy |
| 08/23/03 at 23:45:06 |
| [slm] here is the responce i got when I asked about this: [code]O you who believe! Let not your properties or you children divert you from the remembrance of Allah. And whosoever does that then they are the losers.) (63:9) Allah the Exalted said here, (therefore, beware of them!) for your religion, according to Ibn Zayd. Mujahid explained the Ayah , (Verily, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you by saying, "They might direct the man to sever his relation or disobey his Lord. The man, who loves his wives and children, might obey them in this case.'' Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that Ibn `Abbas said to a man who asked him about this Ayah, (O you who believe! Verily, among your wives and your children there are enemies for you; therefore beware of them!) "There were men who embraced Islam in Makkah and wanted to migrate to Allah's Messenger . However, their wives and children refused to allow them. Later when they joined Allah's Messenger , they found that those who were with him (the Companions) have gained knowledge in the religion, so they were about to punish their wives and children. Allah the Exalted sent down this Ayah, (But if you pardon (them) and overlook, and forgive, then verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.)'' At-Tirmidhi collected this Hadith and said that it is Hasan Sahih. Allah's statement, (Your wealth and your children are only a Fintah, whereas Allah! With Him is a great reward.) Allah said that the wealth and children are a test and trial from Allah the Exalted for His creatures, so that He knows those who obey Him and those who disobey Him.[/code] |
| 08/23/03 at 23:45:44 |
| Kathy |
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| se7en |
| 08/25/03 at 03:11:39 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah, [quote]The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." [/quote] I think the hadeeth is generally understood to mean that men naturally have an attraction towards women which, if not controlled, leads them to commit sin. This doesn't mean that women are more inclined towards evil, or have a propensity towards sin in their nature or things like that [which are actually ideas that crept into Islamic discourse with influence from Christian doctrine] but simply that women are a temptation for men, and perhaps one of the most challenging for men to overcome. (which is why there are so many recommendations of the Prophet [saw] to help control this desire.. to fast, to lower your gaze, to not be alone in the company of someone of the opp sex, etc) Here's an excerpt from an article by Sh. Yusuf al-Qardawi that addresses this hadeeth: [color=black] Many Muslims have adopted the Judeo-Christian ethic which views women as the source of human tragedy because of her alleged biblical role as the temptress who seduced Adam into disobedience to his Lord. By tempting her husband to eat the forbidden fruit, she not only defied Allah, but caused humankind’s expulsion from Paradise, thus instigating all temporal human suffering. Those misogynists who support this Biblical myth, dredge from the archives of pseudo-Islamic literature such as false and weak hadiths. This Old Testament myth is a widely circulatad belief in the Islamic community despite the fact that Allah in the Qur’an stresses that it was Adam who was solely responsible for his mistake. In 20:115 it is stated: “We had already, beforehand, taken the convenant of Adam, but he forgot; and we found on his part no firm resolve.” Verse 20:121-122 continues: “In result, they both ate of the tree... thus did Adam disobey His Lord, and fell into error. But his Lord chose for him (From His Grace): He turned to him, and gave him guidance.” Therefore, there is nothing in Islamic doctrine or in the Qur’an which holds women responsible for Adam’s expulsion from paradise or the consequent misery of humankind. However, misogyny abounds in the pronouncements of many Islamic “scholars” and “imams.” The result of such misinterpretation of hadiths and spreading negativity is that entire societies have mistreated their female members despite the fact that Islam has honoured and empowered the woman in all spheres of life. The woman in Islamic law is equal to her male counterpart. She is as liable for her actions as a male is liable. Her testimony is demanded and valid in court. Her opinions are sought and acted upon. Contrary to the pseudo Hadith: “Consult women and do the opposite,” the Prophet (Pbuh) consulted his wife, Um Salama on one of the most important issues to the Muslim community. Such references to the Prophet’s positive attitudes toward women disprove the one Hadith falsely attributed to Ali bin Abi Talib: “The woman is all evil, and the greatest evil about her is that man cannot do without her.” [...] Finding excuses to silence women is just one of the injustices certain scholars and imams attempt to inflict upon women. They point to such hadiths as narrated by Bukhari about the Prophet which says: “I have not left a greater harm to men than women.” They assume that the harm implies that women are an evil curse to be endured just as one must endure poverty, famine, disease, death and fear. These “scholars” ignore the fact that man is tried more by his blessings than by his tragedies. And Allah says: “And We test you by evil and by good way of trial.” (21:35). To support this argument Allah says in the Qur’an that two of the most appreciated blessings of life, wealth and children, are trials. Allah says: “And know ye that your possessions and your progeny are but a trial.” (Anfal 28 ) A woman, despite the blessings she bestows on her relations, can also be a trial for she may distract a man from his duty toward Allah. Thus, Allah creates awareness how blessings can be misguided so that they become curses. Men can use their spouses as an excuse for not performing jihad or for eschewing sacrifice for the compiling of wealth. Allah in the Qur’an warns: “Truly among your wives and children are enemies for you.” (64:14) The warning is the same as for the blessings of abundant wealth and offspring (63:9). In addition, Sahih Hadith says: “By Allah I don’t fear for you poverty, but I fear that the world would be abundant for you as it has been for those before you so you compete for it as they have competed for it, so it destroys you as it has destroyed them.” (Agreed upon) This Hadith does not mean that the Prophet (Pbuh) encouraged poverty. Poverty is a curse from which the Prophet sought refuge from Allah. He did not mean for his Ummah to be bereft of wealth and abundance for he said: “The best of the good wealth is for the pious person.” (narrated by Ahmed and Al-Hakam) Women are also a gift for the pious person for the Qur’an mentions the Muslim men and women (the Muslimat), the believing men (Momins) and women Mominat as aids and comforts for each other here and in the hereafter. The Prophet did not condemn the blessings Allah provided for his Ummah. Rather the Prophet wished to guide the Muslims and his Ummah away from the slippery slope whose bottomless pit is a mire of callousness and desire. [/color] http://www.islamicvoice.com/may.99/women.htm w'Allahu a'lam wasalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah :-) |
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| Mohja |
| 08/25/03 at 10:56:53 |
| [quote]Volume 7, Book 62, Number 33: Narrated Usama bin Zaid: The Prophet said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." [/quote] Another tafsir i heard for this hadith, which makes a lot of sense, is that women are a source of temptation for men *not* necessarily sexuality wise but due to the human inclination towards power and oppressing those that are weaker than oneself. And since men are stronger , physically, than women and they are their caretakers there's a chance of misusing that strength to inflinct injustice upon women. This is based on the hadith of the prophet in which he said, paraphrasing, that everyone is a leader and each leader will be questioned about how he discharged his leadership. I think from history, it is obvious that some men did in fact abuse that leadership position and for that they'll have to answer to Allah[swt] on the day of judgement. So in that sense women are indeed an evil omen for those men who are *not* just and *don't* fear Allah[swt] in their dealings with women. Wallahu A'lam |
| 08/25/03 at 10:59:08 |
| Mohja |
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| tryharder |
| 08/27/03 at 21:51:01 |
| [slm] mohja i kinda see where that could come from, but i wouldnt say that in that case the [i]woman[/i] is the bad omen. it is the man's inabillity to control himself, or his ego or whatever it is that might cause him to oppress or mistreat the woman. saying the woman is the bad omen in this case implies that the woman is the CAUSE of the oppression, and that clearly is not the case. that is like saying that when a thief steals something, the thing he stole was the bad omen that caused him to take it. that makes no sense to me! |
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| AbdulJalil |
| 08/27/03 at 22:23:03 |
| Assalamu Alaikum i was looking for an answer, and i actually came up with a sahih hadith that basically say that believing in bad omen could be SHIRK. We all know shirk is the worst of sin. But i found an excellent answer,Alhamdulillah. Please be careful when you read hadith, they need to be connected with other islamic rulings, and only the scholars can really do that. This is what was found By Sheikh al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com) Hadith 'evil omen in the woman and the horse?' Question: What is the meaning of the hadith of the Prophet (saaw) which states that there is an evil omen in the woman and the horse? Does it mean, that in general women and horses are evil?. Answer: Praise be to Allaah. What is proven in the Sunnah is that it is forbidden to believe in bad omens (tatayyur) or warn others about them, and that this is a kind of shirk. For example, al-Bukhaari (5776) and Muslim (2224) narrated from Anas ibn Maalik (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is no ‘adwa (transmission of infectious disease without the permission of Allaah) and no tiyarah (superstitious belief in bird omens), but I like optimism.” They said, “What is optimism?” He said, “A good word.” Ahmad (4194), Abu Dawood (3910), al-Tirmidhi (1614) and Ibn Maajah (3538) narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Tiyarah (belief in evil omens) is shirk.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. Ahmad (7045) and al-Tabaraani narrated that ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever lets tiyarah stop him from doing something is guilty of shirk.” They said, “What is the kafaarah for that?” He said, “To say: Allaahumma la khayra illaa khayruka wa laa tayra illaa tayruka wa laa ilaaha ghayruka (O Allaah, there is no good except Your good, no birds (omens) except from You, and there is no god beside You).” [Classed as hasan by al-Arna’oot and as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 6264] Al-Tabaraani narrated in al-Kabeer from ‘Imraan ibn Husayn that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “He is not one of us who practices augury [seeking omens in birds] or has that done for him, or who practices divination or has that done for him, or who practices witchcraft or has that done for him.” Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 5435. Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) sai` in Sharh Muslim, no. 2224: Tatayyur (belief in bad omens) is pessimism, and is based on something disliked, be it a word or action or something seen… They used to startle birds to make them move; if they went to the right they would regard that as a good omen and go ahead with their journeys or other plans, but if they went to the left they would cancel their journeys and plans, and regard that as a bad omen. So it would often prevent them from doing things that were in their interests. Islam cancelled out all that and forbade it, and said that it had no effect, whether good or bad. This is what is meant by the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There is no tiyarah (superstitious belief in bird omens),” and in another hadeeth, “Tiyarah is shirk” – i.e., the belief that it can bring benefit or harm, if they act upon it believing that it has any effect, then this is shirk, because they think that it has an effect on what one does or that it can make things happen. This is the basic principle regarding bad omens (tatayyur). But there are ahaadeeth which indicate that a bad omen may be in a woman, a house or a horse. Al-Bukhaari (5093) and Muslim (2252) narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with them both) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Bad omens are in a woman, a house and a horse.” Al-Bukhaari (5094) and Muslim, (2252) narrated that Ibn ‘Umar said: Mention of bad omens was made in the presence of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “If bad omens are to be found in anything, it is in a house, a woman and a horse.” Abu Dawood (3924) narrated that Anas ibn Maalik said: A man said: “O Messenger of Allaah, we were in a house and our numbers and wealth were great, then we moved to another house where our numbers and wealth decreased.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Leave it, it is bad.” This hadeeth was classed as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. The scholars differed concerning these ahaadeeth and how to reconcile them with the ahaadeeth that forbid tatayyur. Some of them interpreted them as they appear to be, and said that this is an exception from the ruling on tatayyur, i.e., that tatayyur is forbidden unless a person has a house which he does not want to live in, or a wife whom he does not want to keep company with, or a horse or servant, all of which he should get rid of by selling them, or by divorcing the wife. Others said that a house may be regarded as a bad omen when it is too small, or there are bad neighbours who cause trouble; a woman may be regarded as a bad omen when she does not produce children, or she has a sharp tongue, or she behaves in a suspicious manner; a horse may be regarded as a bad omen when it is not used in jihad, or it was said, when it is difficult to handle or it is too expensive; and a servant may be regarded as a bad omen when he has a bad attitude or is not trustworthy or reliable. Sharh al-Nawawi ‘ala Muslim. The correct view is that all types of belief in bad omens are condemned, and that no kinds of women, houses or animals can cause harm or bring benefit except by Allaah’s leave. Allaah is the Creator of both good and evil. A person may be tested with a wife who has a bad attitude, or a house in which there is a lot of problems, in which case it is prescribed for him to rid himself of these things, fleeing from the decree of Allaah to the decree of Allaah, and so as to avoid falling into pessimism and belief in bad omens which is forbidden. Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: “Another group said: regarding these three as bad omens only affects those who believe in that. Whoever puts his trust in Allaah and does not believe in omens and superstition, that does not affect him. They said: this is indicated by the hadeeth of Anas, ‘A bad omen only affects the one who believes in it.’ If a person believes in bad omens, Allaah may make that the cause of bad things happening to him, just as He may make trust in Him and making Him alone the focus of one's fear and hope one of the main causes of warding off evil that people may superstitiously expect. The reason for that is that tiyarah (superstitious belief in omens) implies shirk or associating others with Allaah, fearing others besides Him and not putting one’s trust in Him. The superstitious person attracts evil to himself, so the superstition affects him more, because he did not protect himself with belief in Allaah alone and trust in Allaah. If a person fears something other than Allaah, it gains control over him and he is tormented by it; if he loves something else as well as Allaah, he will be tormented by it; if he puts his hope in something alongside Allaah he will be let down by it. These matters are well known from real life and there is no need to provide further evidence. Everyone inevitably feels superstitious but the strong believer wards off those superstitious feelings by putting his trust in Allaah. Whoever puts his trust in Allaah, He will suffice him and he will have no need of anyone or anything else. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “So when you want to recite the Qur’aan, seek refuge with Allaah from Shaytaan (Satan), the outcast (the cursed one). Verily, he has no power over those who believe and put their trust only in their Lord (Allaah). His power is only over those who obey and follow him (Satan), and those who join partners with Him (Allaah, i.e. those who are Mushrikoon, i.e., polytheists)” [al-Nahl 16:98] Hence Ibn Mas’ood said: “All of us sometimes feel superstitious, but Allaah causes it to disappear when we put our trust in Him.” They said: superstition with regard to houses, women and horses may affect only those who believe in it; as for the one who puts his trust in Allaah and fears Him alone, and does not believe in bad omens, then horses, women and houses cannot be bad omens for him. Then he said: Whoever believes that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) attributed a superstitious effect to anything in the sense that it may have an effect in and of itself independently of Allaah is telling a serious lie against Allaah and His Messenger and has gone far astray. His speaking of bad omens existing in these three things does not constitute proof of what he had denied before. All it means is that Allaah may a superstitious effect in objects for those who come near them or live in them, and there may be some blessing in some objects, and anyone who comes nears them is not affected by bad omens or anything bad. This is like when Allaah gives parents a blessed child and they experience goodness because of him, whilst He gives others a mean child and they experience bad things because of him. This applies to what may Allaah may bestow on His slave of houses, wives and horses. Allaah is the Creator of good and evil, good luck and bad luck. So some of these things may be “lucky” and blessed and bring happiness for those who come into contact with them, so they are blessed; and some of them may be “unlucky” and bring “bad luck” to those who come into contact with them, all by the will and decree of Allaah, just as He has created all other causes and effects which may vary. So He has created musk and other fragrant substances, which give delight to all those who come into contact with them, and He has created their opposites which cause disgust to all those who come into contact with them. The difference between the two types is known from experience. The same applies to houses, women and horses. This is one thing, and the shirki belief in bad omens is something else altogether. He said concerning the Prophet’s command to that family to leave that house, as mentioned in the hadeeth quoted above: This is not the kind of superstition that is forbidden. Rather he told them to leave it when they started to think along these lines, in order to achieve two aims and two benefits: 1 – It was so that they would leave a place that they disliked and felt scared in because of what had happened to them there, so that they might find relief from the panic, grief and depression that assailed them there, because Allaah has made it man’s nature to hate that which causes him harm even though it is not the fault of that thing, and to love that which brings him happiness, even though the thing itself does not intend to do good. So he commanded them to leave that which they disliked, because Allaah sent him as a mercy, and did not send him as a torment. He sent him to make things easy, not to make things hard. So how could he have told them to stay in a place where they were unhappy and felt scared to stay because of the great losses they had suffered there, when that would serve no purpose of worship or increase their piety or guidance, especially when they had stayed there for so long after they had begun to feel uncomfortable there which made them superstitious. So this protected them from two serious things: 1 – Committing shirk 2 – Protecting them from something bad happening to them because of their superstition, which usually affects those who believe in it. So he protected them because of his great mercy and kindness from these two disliked things, by telling them to leave that house and move to another without any harm coming to them with regard to either their worldly or religious interests. Miftaah Daar al-Sa’aadah, 2/258 And Allaah knows best. |
| 08/27/03 at 22:32:48 |
| AbdulJalil |
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| Mohja |
| 10/02/03 at 15:31:18 |
| [quote] i kinda see where that could come from, but i wouldnt say that in that case the woman is the bad omen. it is the man's inabillity to control himself, or his ego or whatever it is that might cause him to oppress or mistreat the woman. saying the woman is the bad omen in this case implies that the woman is the CAUSE of the oppression, and that clearly is not the case. that is like saying that when a thief steals something, the thing he stole was the bad omen that caused him to take it. that makes no sense to me! [/quote] [wlm] Sorry for the confusion. By evil omen I meant in retrospect, maybe I should have used a different word. For example, the one who has wealth but withholds it from those who have a right on it, or spends it on prohibited things - then in the here-after that wealth will be a *liability* for this person. Not because there’s anything inherently evil about it but because the person *chose* to use that blessing in his disobedience to the commands of His Lord. The same holds for any other blessing. To me that’s the point of all of this. That we should realize that every blessing comes with responsibilities and that we better be very vigilant about fulfilling them. By the same token things we might regard as bad or harmful for us could contain a lot of good in them, that in our limited understanding we may fail to realise. Thus anything can be a blessing and a trial at the same time. The extent of our ilm (knowledge) and taqwa (God consciousness) will act as a catalyst to whether in the end something will be counted as an asset or a source of regret for us. Of Course Allah[swt] does what He pleases. Another point to keep in mind is that although we all belong to the human race, and for the most part have common needs, desires and inclinations, still we're not all identical. It is from the Mercy of Allah [swt] that we have general guidance suitable for all of us, but also custom-made guidance that truly addresses our particular needs and challenges, which we may or may not share with others. In the end who knows us better than the One who created us in the first place? It is for that reason that there are certain commands or injunctions that address a certain set of people in a certain manner apart from others. If we’re truly intelligent, we will be thankful for this gift, study it, reflect on it, and use it for our own benefit in this world and the next which is the ultimate objective of all guidance. Wallahu A’lam Wassalam |
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