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| Maliha |
| 08/26/03 at 14:47:38 |
| [slm] I was wondering was there a standard beard ettiquete (sp)? i.e. if a bro decides to keep a ;-) what is the length requirements, can he "shape" the beard, can he trim it, can he shave under the chin? etc etc. I know there's a huge difference in ways men keep their beard, from the sleek modern "line" style, to the bushy hairy type...what is the Islamic standard if any? curious sis :-) [size=1]disclaimer: this sister does not sport a beard, is not interested in growing one, and does not plan to in the near future besides read! she is *incapable* of growing one. this question is simply a matter of curiousity. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding.[/size] |
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| BroHanif |
| 08/26/03 at 16:56:34 |
| Salaams, Hmm...I keep it to a fist lengths on all sides. I use oil to calm the bushyness down. As for the modern look don't prefer it as its way to easy to keep one like that. The prophets beard was up to his chest, and was thick it certainly wasn't the goatee style. [quote]this question is simply a matter of curiousity. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding. [/quote] I bet your just itching to know eh Sis?.*smile* Salaams Hanif |
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| Nomi |
| 08/26/03 at 21:57:33 |
| [slm] Some three years back me asked a shaykh: "Can i grow one [i]after[/i] getting married" <insert the shyestest smiley here> Shaykh replied: "Are you sure you'll live that long!!, besides it gets obligatory from adulthood" me: "Good point"... Still didn't find the *courage* to grow one but when me saw old aged men shaving their skins off, me said to myself "You'll eventually be wrinkly, why not now?" [center] Here is a [color=Blue]<Sample Beard> [i]i'm editing it to take off the link :) [/i][/color] in the making... (ladies to lower their gaze) ..... [/center] Me alhamdulillah keeps it to a fist length now... yep all sides :) [slm] |
| 10/16/03 at 08:38:22 |
| Nomi |
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| brother |
| 08/26/03 at 22:25:34 |
| [slm] From what I understand. Its Wajib not to shave and fist length is sunnah. Allah knows best. |
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| Nomi |
| 08/27/03 at 14:12:57 |
| [slm] :) Fist length, a sunnah? yep and lemme add a couple of words as to what type of sunnah it is. Its sunnah [i]da'em'ma, mutawate'ra[/i], from what i'm told, something *very* important and hey you better not argue with me on this otherwise i'll tell all of em your real name :D ..... j/k j/k.. its safe with me :) [slm] Asim Zafar. |
| 08/27/03 at 14:16:16 |
| Nomi |
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| brother |
| 08/27/03 at 18:16:42 |
| [quote]you better not argue with me on this otherwise i'll tell all of em your real name[/quote] Me, argue, common yaar. I am just a masoom pathan ;) Besides I wouldn't know how to argue with that one. For all I know it's a sunnah. I didn't know there were different types of sunnahs? How may types of sunnahs are there? What's da'em'ma, mutawate'ra? Ma salama |
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| theOriginal |
| 08/28/03 at 15:33:06 |
| [slm] ooh you know his real name? that's like crucial information. it's okay -- "masoom pathan" is also a big hint...i'ma think about it now. back to the beard thingy...what about the moustache? I heard the 'tache has got to go? wasalaam. |
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| Nomi |
| 08/28/03 at 17:09:28 |
| [slm] No moustache ? Its a hadith that says [i]"grow your beards and trim your moustache"[/i], i do trim it and keep it above the lip line (whatever its called). Although many around me who i respect (including many scholars) have shaved em but no body actually told me that its gotta go! If you ask me then me was thinking of zapping it but when consulted my family then all the ladies were like "we wont let you in da house if you zap it". So as far as i know its optional but must be trimmed. |
| 08/28/03 at 17:37:58 |
| Nomi |
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| brother |
| 08/28/03 at 17:24:01 |
| [quote]ooh you know his real name? that's like crucial information[/quote] Nomi, don't say a word. Or I'll kick your you know what... ;) |
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| theOriginal |
| 08/28/03 at 20:09:49 |
| [slm] okay okay don't say a word. how about some letters...like sayyyyy the letters of the brother's first or last name. or both. heh. this is bothering me now. so you better beware. i'm going to find out. (watch me.) :-X :-X :-X wasalaam. |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 08/28/03 at 20:51:15 |
| [slm] There is actually a difference of opinion among the scholars (who hold growing the beard to be waajib [mandatory]) about its required length. Some say it is waajib to leave the beard alone. That is, not to trim it, regardless of its length. Some say the beard should be grown to a fist's length, and whatever extends it should be trimmed. Some say there is no required length for the beard, as there is no definitive text stating it. Wallaahu ta'ala a'lam. P.S. What constitutes the beard is also something that the scholars have discussed. The discussion is detailed and complex, but suffice it to say here that not everything that grows on the face/neck is considered to be part of the beard. |
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| brother |
| 08/28/03 at 21:41:07 |
| [quote]so you better beware. i'm going to find out[/quote] Sister, give up. It's not possible 8) [quote]everything that grows on the face/neck is considered to be part of the beard. [/quote] Neck too? :o I might be diverting the topic here a bit but I really wanna ask this question. Do you think keeping a beard or moustache makes someone a better person/muslim? |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 08/28/03 at 22:01:46 |
| [slm] brother, u misread what I said. I said: not everything that grows on the face/neck is considered to be part of the beard. I think you can answer your question yourself akhi: Does obeying the commands of Allah and His Messenger [saw] and/or trying to imitate Rasulullah [saw] because of one's love and admiration for him make someone a better Muslim? P.S. Just because you obey Allah (awj) and His Messenger [saw] in *one* command does not make you better than others. And one who is a true believer never regards himself as better than others anyway. In fact, he/she truly and sincerely looks at him/herself as the worst of creatures. |
| 08/28/03 at 22:04:46 |
| Abu_Hamza |
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| Maliha |
| 08/28/03 at 22:07:13 |
| [quote author=Abu_Hamza link=board=bro;num=1061920060;start=0#10 date=08/28/03 at 20:51:15][slm] P.S. What constitutes the beard is also something that the scholars have discussed. The discussion is detailed and complex, but suffice it to say here that not everything that grows on the face/neck is considered to be part of the beard.[/quote] [slm] Can you give me resources on this? any links? books? etc... ze curious *non* itching sis 8) [wlm] |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 08/29/03 at 00:24:43 |
| [slm] Sr. Maliha, unfortunately I cannot provide you with a book or link, because I did not read this discourse in any book but heard it from a visiting shaykh from overseas. I'm sure that most books of fiqh (in Arabic) that discuss the beard in detail would have a chapter on "the definition of beard" or "what constitutes a beard." This approach is common in the books of fiqh about any topic. The first thing that our ulamaa (rahimahumullah) do is usually define the topic itself. Unfortunately, most fiqh books that exist in English are extremely abridged, and thus skip a lot of such details. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh. |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 08/29/03 at 00:29:25 |
| [slm] Here are two links that I just came across after a quick search on the web. They do not go into detail, but just give a glimpse of what I'm talking about. To go into detail, the authors of these two writings have to further define what constitues a "cheek" (i.e. does it include the cheek bones? the area under the eyes?!), etc.: http://www.qss.org/articles/beard.html http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=12740&dgn=3 Wallahu ta'ala a'lam. |
| 08/29/03 at 00:30:01 |
| Abu_Hamza |
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| Nomi |
| 08/29/03 at 01:56:35 |
| [slm] Like myself some ppl dont have hair on their cheek (cheek not the cheek bone) but those who do have the *regular* hair, their beards constitute the hair on cheek as well. And i think its only the modern age when some scholars have started saying that those lines are proper beards! btw i never heard any scholar saying that. There were times when i used to keep that "line" one but inside i knew that i gotta improve on this. |
| 08/29/03 at 02:30:02 |
| Nomi |
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| brother |
| 08/29/03 at 16:29:52 |
| [quote]Does obeying the commands of Allah and His Messenger and/or trying to imitate Rasulullah because of one's love and admiration for him make someone a better Muslim?[/quote] Absolutely. So there are prequisites to keeping a beard 1. Knowing that it is a command of Allah SWT and his messenger [saw] 2. The intention has to be to please Allah SWT and his messenger [saw]. Otherwise it serves no purpose? ;-) |
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| muahmed |
| 09/01/03 at 15:35:45 |
| [slm] In the Shafii madhab shaving is makruh i.e. keeping a beard is mustahab but not wajib. (Imam Shafii said it was impermissible to shave but in the final version of the madhab it is makruh to shave.) In the Maliki madhab, I believe, a goatee type beard (on the chin only) satisfies the requirement. They have linguistic arguments as to which part of facial hair actually constitutes the beard. Those are the most lenient opinions. Ofcourse the strictest one is the Hanafi position where a fist lenght beard is wajib and trimming below the fist length does not satisfy the requirement. This ruling is based on the practive of Abdullah ibn Omar (radhiAllah unhu), the son of Omar ibn Khattab (radhiAllah anhu). Due to the difference of opinion some Hanafi scholars allow a beard of less than a fist length. (e.g. Shaykh al-Buti) However indo-pak Hanafi scholars strictly adhere to the fist length ruling. |
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| se7en |
| 09/07/03 at 15:28:54 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah [quote]In the Maliki madhab, I believe, a goatee type beard (on the chin only) satisfies the requirement. They have linguistic arguments as to which part of facial hair actually constitutes the beard. [/quote] whoa.. interesting :-[ maybe ppl who criticize well known Maliki scholars for keeping a 'western style beard' should keep ths in mind... wasalaamu alaykum |
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