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Kathy |
08/28/03 at 23:41:10 |
[slm] a Cair report: OHIO CATHOLIC SCHOOL BARS GIRL WEARING MUSLIM SCARF REGINA HIGH BARS GIRL WEARING MUSLIM SCARF Karen R. Long, Cleveland Plain Dealer, 8/28/03 http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/cuyahoga/106207423574610.xml Amal Jamal is not welcome at Regina High School anymore. The returning senior learned Monday as she stood in line to buy textbooks that she now violates her Catholic school dress code by wearing a Muslim headscarf, or hajib. Surrounded by classmates, Amal put down her books, fought back tears and left. "I was in shock; I didn't understand," Amal said. "All along, they gave me a room to pray in. They asked me questions about Islam. They always accepted me for who I was. Now they have decided it is against school policy to wear my hajib." Amal, a soft-spoken 17-year-old, sat in her Euclid living room yesterday, too stunned to consider what she might do next as her 270 schoolmates attended a second day of classes on the South Euclid campus. Amal said she was stung that no administrator, teacher or student had called her or tried to help. "I feel very bad about this situation. I've agonized over it," said Sister Maureen Burke, Regina's principal for 12 years. "Amal is a wonderful young woman. The family is very fine. . . . But the uniform issue is very important to who we are as a Catholic school." Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on American Islamic Relations in Washington, DC, said he knew of no other American private school dismissing a Muslim girl in this way. "It's just ridiculous," he said. "You have a religious school denying a student the right to her religious belief." Yesterday Hooper called Burke in an effort to intervene. Burke explained that a private school had a right to enforce its particular rules. In contrast, no American public school can prohibit a girl from wearing a religious headscarf, according to the U.S. Department of Education... ----- |
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a_lina |
08/29/03 at 01:10:31 |
[slm] Now that's what I call ironic! :o ::) |
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muslimah853 |
08/29/03 at 09:29:43 |
[slm] It is quite ironic, but, they are a private, religious school. They have more leeway than a public school would have. I can't say I'm all that surprised, though. |
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SisterHania |
08/29/03 at 16:46:18 |
[wlm] Don't nun's cover their head......? What would you think if it had been a private Muslim School, where all the girls were supposed to wear a hijab :-) as part of their uniform and a non-Muslim student attended the school, but didn't adorn the hijab :) as it was not part of her religous beliefs. Would you feel the girl should wear hijab if she is attending a Muslim school or should she be exempt due to her personal religous beliefs? |
08/29/03 at 16:52:07 |
SisterHania |
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MoonStar |
08/29/03 at 17:10:18 |
[quote author=SisterHania link=board=sis;num=1062124871;start=0#3 date=08/29/03 at 16:46:18] [wlm] What would you think if it had been a private Muslim School, where all the girls were supposed to wear a hijab :-) as part of their uniform and a non-Muslim student attended the school, but didn't adorn the hijab :) as it was not part of her religous beliefs. Would you feel the girl should wear hijab if she is attending a Muslim school or should she be exempt due to her personal religous beliefs?[/quote] Good question! I attended a Catholic elementary-middle school. I didn't wear hijab back then so that wasn't an issue. But all students were required to attend the weekly mass, however my parents told the school that since I was Muslim they didn't want me to participate in that nor in the religion class. My school permitted this on the condition that the my tuition be increased for not participating. Since they're private schools they make the rules. As for the Islamic school, when you put it that way I could see why some wouldn't allow that, though personally I would think it ok for a non Muslim child to not follow certain things. Many parents put their kids in catholic/religious schools b/c of the level of education or discipline, not for the religion. But the school can argue that as a religious private school, that is part of the education. |
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tryharder |
08/30/03 at 15:37:18 |
[slm] One would think that the nuns who teach her and run the school would be proud of one of their students who followed the "rules" of modesty, regardless of what religion she belongs to!! When I was in high school, the girl's catholic high school (named Mt. St. Mary's) was nicknamed Mt. St. Mattress, due to the reputation of most of the girls that attended school there. Would they prefer that instead??? |
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Ruqayyah |
09/03/03 at 17:23:29 |
[slm] thought this was pretty good: [url]http://www.cleveland.com/darcy/index.ssf?/darcy/more/082903.html [/url] click on editorial cartoons, and then aug 29, 2003 |
09/03/03 at 17:24:59 |
Ruqayyah |
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bismilla |
09/05/03 at 05:34:49 |
[slm] maybe this whole issue is a blessing in disguise? Insha Allah [quote]Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said that every child is born with the Fitrah (Islam). This Hadith goes on to say it is the parents that make him Christian or Jew. These days you do not have to born into a non-Muslim family to be a non-Muslim but rather the media, society and education can have a great influence over a young impressionable mind. A School per say cannot Haraam because a child goes there to seek an education. However, a School with a Christian ethos poses a problem for both the child and the parent. The School may tell you that your child does not have to do the morning prayers or participate in the Biblical studies and the like but Schools like this have a well planned programme based on the Christian faith which sometimes comes out directly to the child and sometime subtly. From this we can gather that can influence your child maybe not become a Christian but the least to think and behave like one and even to question the Islamic Faith, especially, the Shariah. So it is not proper to send your child to such a School. Remember Islamic education means preparing the child for this world and the hereafter. May Allah guide us. and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best Shaykh Irshad Amod Al-Falaah College CHECKED AND APPROVED: Mufti Ebrahim Desai[/quote] Source : http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=7026 |
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Kathy |
09/05/03 at 09:14:23 |
[wlm] Sister Hania, been thinking about this for many days. At first I thought... yeah, I guess she should have to wear the scarf while in school. But I have changed my first thoughts. We are Muslim.[i]al-Humdullillah![/i] the girl isn't. Sure we know what is right, insha Allah the student will too, one day... by wanting to... not being forced to. We have been taught to live peaceably and not be compulsive with our religion, to our neighbors. So, no, I would not think the private Muslim school should make her wear the scarf. However, if her religion makes her wear a scarf when she prays, then I think the school should expect her to when she prays... (a whole different topic.) [quote author=SisterHania link=board=sis;num=1062124871;start=0#3 date=08/29/03 at 16:46:18] What would you think if it had been a private Muslim School, where all the girls were supposed to wear a hijab :-) as part of their uniform and a non-Muslim student attended the school, but didn't adorn the hijab :) as it was not part of her religous beliefs. Would you feel the girl should wear hijab if she is attending a Muslim school or should she be exempt due to her personal religous beliefs?[/quote] |
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muslimah853 |
09/05/03 at 09:46:54 |
[slm] While I definitely agree with the poster who suggested that it's generally not a good idea to send one's children to a Catholic school as a Muslim...I think this may tread into that dangerous area that was explored on the 'cops in hijab' thread. Which basically is, we don't know the circumstances of the girl's family, which is one reason why I'd personally refrain from going there. It is entirely possible that her family felt there wasn't much of an option. I don't know her area, are there any Islamic schools available? Maybe not, and maybe her family looked at the public schools in her area and depending on how bad that option is, decided that the Catholic school was the lesser of two evils. Yes, there is homeschooling, but that isn't always an option for families either. We don't know what compelled them to choose that option. |
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MoonStar |
09/05/03 at 20:49:10 |
[wlm] My siblings and I all attended Catholic school for many years (and my mother and all her siblings attended a Catholic "convent" school back in the motherland), and I would have to disagree that it would be bad for a Muslim child to attend. If parents teach their children Islamic principles from an early age, the child can easily distinguish between the teachings of Christianity and Islam and would not even consider believing in the Trinity etc. Though I can still recite the 'Hail Mary' and 'Our Father' from memory (it was read outloud every morning), at that age the words were meaningless, and meant nothing to me. Church was just a pretty place with nice stained glass windows and candles. And though I didn't participate during the religion class, I still sat in the classroom (and would do homework or read while they had their lesson), it just came across as a bunch of stories. But since I already knew about the Quranic version, it didn't confuse me. Going to Catholic school was helpful in that the environment was good and it taught me a little about Christian beliefs and ethics, which is not a bad thing. Now it can be a negative if a Muslim child is not around other Muslim children at all, but this can be solved by attending masjid and Sunday schools. Yes, ideally a good Islamic school would be great and yes a Muslim environment matters, but that does not guarantee that a child will become a good Muslim. I think what a child is exposed to at home from an early age will make more of a difference. |
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Yasmeena |
09/07/03 at 17:40:00 |
I am not really surprised by the treatment of the student in question. For all the talk abot "Inter-Faith Dialogue" by the Pope, it hasn't seemed to trickle down to the private "face" of practicing Catholics or organizations yet. I wonder how the nuns would feel if hey we told that they couldn't wer their habits? At least a female student in hijab is preferable to what girls wear in most schools. My local high school looks more like a training ground for street walkers than an educational institution. Yasmeena |
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Moe_D |
09/07/03 at 22:19:45 |
[font=Verdana]Comment:[/font]It's not been long sis the French have banned our young sisters from wearing Hijab, as if thats not enough nuns have looked down upon it acording tto the article about and now here is a so called "Muslim" country banning our sisters from wearing the Hijab now. What's this world coming to?? Egypt TV 'bans veiled presenters' By Magdi Abdelhadi BBC, Cairo A group of television presenters in Egypt say they have been banned from appearing on screen since they began wearing the Islamic veil. Some say they are considering taking legal action against the state owned broadcasting organisation as a result. The issue of Islamic dress code has long been controversial in Egypt and now the conflict is taking place against a quietly changing social landscape in Egypt with more and more professional women deciding to wear the veil. The presenters say they are being denied the right to choose and nothing in their contract with the state broadcaster bans them from wearing the veil. Strictly speaking what they wear is not a veil, but a headscarf that covers their hair. Sidelined One of the most famous of the rebel presenters, Maha Medhet, says she has been with Egyptian television for more than 10 years and has begun legal action against the state broadcaster. According to legal documents, Ms Medhet alleges that she is being punished for what she describes as her right to practice her religion. The government apparently fears that such public display of Islamic symbols, of which the veil is the most potent, will play into the hands of Islamic activists whose aim is to enforce Islamic Sharia in all spheres of life She says that ever since she decided to wear the veil in March this year she was relegated to the role of an out of vision narrator. In some programmes where she used to be the sole presenter, she says, the camera no longer shows her face but only that of another unveiled colleague. Another presenter told me if women in other professions could do their job wearing the veil, why couldn't they? Back in vogue The issue of Islamic dress code has long been controversial in Egypt. Muslim women in Egypt began a protest against the veil in the 1930s, and by the 60s the veil was a thing of the past. But with the re-emergence of movements of Islamic revival, the veil has come back. Now it has become an issue for the courts. The case highlights a dilemma for the Egyptian state. Under the Egyptian constitution, Islam is the state religion and Islamic Sharia is the main source for legislation. Professional women feel that they have done nothing wrong in living up to the terms of their constitution. But the government apparently fears that such public display of Islamic symbols, of which the veil is the most potent, will play into the hands of Islamic activists whose aim is to enforce Islamic Sharia in all spheres of life. Link to news story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3087220.stm |
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