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| Sheikh Yassin: Spiritual figurehead |
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| jaihoon |
| 09/07/03 at 07:27:12 |
I thought the article was useful for research ppl for whom the figure may seem interesting. While uncle sam-sponsored media has been succesful in raisin as well as degradin the positions of other leaders, this man's position remains unchanged. --------------------------------------------------------------- Sheikh Yassin: Spiritual figurehead By Middle East analyst Fiona Symon Sheikh Ahmed Yassin, spiritual leader of Hamas, is a frail man who can barely see. His voice is thin and quavering. Yet he wields growing power among Palestinians, long frustrated with a peace process that has failed to improve their lives. Sheikh Yassin has proved a powerful inspiration for young Palestinians disillusioned with the collapse of peace hopes Born in 1938 in what was then Palestine under the British mandate, Sheikh Yassin's political views were forged at a time of humiliation and defeat for Palestinians. After a childhood accident left him a quadriplegic, he devoted his early life to Islamic scholarship and studied at the Al-Azhar university in Cairo, the birthplace of the Muslim Brotherhood. It was there that he formed the belief that Palestine was an Islamic land "consecrated for future Muslim generations until Judgement Day", and that no Arab leader had the right to give up any part of this territory. New movement Sheikh Yassin became actively involved with a Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood but he did not come to widespread prominence until the first Palestinian intifida of 1987. It was then that the Palestinian Islamist movement adopted the name Hamas, meaning "zeal" and he became its spiritual leader. The so-called peace path is not peace and it is not a substitute for jihad and resistance Sheikh Yassin In 1989, Sheikh Yassin was arrested by the Israelis and sentenced to life imprisonment for ordering the killing of Palestinians who had allegedly collaborated with the Israeli army. He was eventually released in 1997, in a trade-off with Jordan for two Israeli agents involved in an assassination attempt on a Hamas leader in Jordan. During his time in prison, his importance as a symbol of Palestinian resistance had grown - but his popularity still fell far short of that enjoyed by Yasser Arafat. Powerful inspiration Believing that a divided leadership would undermine Palestinian interests, Sheikh Yassin sought to maintain good relations with the Palestinian Authority and with other regimes in the Arab world. But he has remained uncompromising on the issue of the peace. "The so-called peace path is not peace and it is not a substitute for jihad and resistance," Sheikh Yassin has repeatedly said. Yassin promises suicide bombers martyrdom Hamas has been able to build support by offering material help to Palestinians suffering from economic hardship during the latest intifada. It has established charitable funds to establish schools, clinics and hospitals that provide free services to families in distress and has been able to attract millions of dollars from the Gulf and elsewhere. Sheikh Yassin himself has proved a powerful inspiration for young Palestinians disillusioned with the collapse of peace hopes. He has inspired them to offer up their lives, promising that suicide bombers who are willing to die for the sake of the dignity of Palestinians and in the service of a longer term victory will achieve martyrdom. Attempts to restrict Sheikh Yassin's activities have met with fierce resistance from his supporters. In December 2001, one man died in clashes with Palestinian police after Sheikh Yassin was placed under house arrest. Shooting erupted again in June 2002 when Palestinian police surrounded his house, following a spate of bloody suicide bombings against Israel. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 09/07/03 at 10:15:01 |
| Jaihoon, this mans position remain unchanged as to what? promising that murderers will go to paradise? Whatever good he does is blemished by these statements. Encouraging murder especially through suicide is against the quran plain and simple. |
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| bhaloo |
| 09/07/03 at 13:12:00 |
| [slm] Mashallah may Allah (SWT) reward the Sheikh. The murderers and terrorists are those people that do the killings and support the killing of Muslims in Muslim lands that they have invaded. These are the terrorists and they are filthy animals. They are supported with weapons from the United States government to kill Muslims and steal their wealth. The Muslims fighting there are so poor that they have nothing to fight with other then rocks and stones and no one is coming to their aid. But yet they are inflicting casualties upon the kuffar. These are the brave warriors (some of them only 12 or 13 years old), protecting the honor of the Muslims. They sacrifice their lives in battle insha'Allah in the path of Allah (SWT). It is a shame that people accuse them of being extremists, when the reality is that the people accusing them are the extremists and are those that have abandoned their brothers and sisters and sit comfortably in their air conditioned homes enjoying their million dollar lifestyle. The problem of the Muslims today is that they have abandoned their Muslim brothers and sisters and have abandoned Islam. They are quick to point fingers instead of helping them. On the internet the other day I read of how these Israeli terrorists let a Muslim ambulance pass by a check point and then fired grenades at it killing the ambulance driver and the doctors inside. This is the savagery of these terrorists. Imagine if this was your father inside, how would you feel? What would you do? For many Muslims they feel nothing, they say its someone else's problems, but the truth is these people are your brothers and sisters in Islam. I also remember reading on here the story of a Muslim woman with children who was visited by Israeli army men every few days who went into her apartment and broke things and went through her personal belongings. Once they even urinated all over the apartment and smashed the walls. Imagine if this was your house, how would you feel? Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of the European Council for Fatwa and Research mentioned on Islamonline.net: Even now, we can see them (he's referring to these Israeli terrorists) targeting and killing our Palestinian brothers in cold blood. They mercilessly kill everybody in the Holy Land. According to the Qur’an, we are to stick by a principle that reads: “If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted.”(An-Nahl: 126) We are to retaliate in the same way we are attacked. |
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| bhaloo |
| 09/07/03 at 13:17:45 |
| [slm] The following Q/A is somewhat related to this topic and is an issue that has come up quite a bit (even on here). http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=75874 Question: Dear scholars, As-Salaam `Alaykum. We have read in the Sirah (biography) of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, that he migrated from Makkah to Madinah because of the persecution from the disbelievers. Why don't our brothers and sisters in Palestine do the same thing? Then after building strong Iman (faith) and an army they can return back and attack the Jews. Jazakum Allah khayran. Answer: Name of Mufti Group of Muftis Content of Reply Wa`alykum As-Salaamu Warahmatullahi Wabarakaatuh. In the Name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. All praise and thanks are due to Allah, and peace and blessings be upon His Messenger. Dear questioner, we would like to thank you for the great confidence you place in us, and we implore Allah Almighty to help us serve His cause and render our work for His Sake. First of all it is to be stated that the land of Palestine is a very dear land to Muslims. However, our Muslim brothers and sisters there are suffering day and night and are exposed to different forms of attack and persecution. The question here revolves around drawing an analogy between the state of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, and early Muslims in Makkah and that of Muslims Palestine. As regards the question in point, Sheikh `Ikrima Sabri, the Mufti of Al-Quds and Khatib of Al-Aqsa Mosque, gives the following answer: “It goes without saying that the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, migrated from Makkah to Madinah following the command of Allah. This does not mean that we should leave Palestine, for Shari`ah does not allow leaving the land of Islam unless there is a form of persecution in matters of religion. Here in Palestine, which is normally a land of Islam, we are really able to stick to the teachings of our religion. To the contrary, at the time of the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, Makkah was an abode of disbelief Dar Kufr. If we are to imagine that the people of Palestine will leave their lands and thus be Immigrants (Al-muhajirun) who will serve as the Helpers (Al-Ansar) here then? With all the sufferings the Palestinians have experienced and which have made them leave their lands in 1948 and 1967, there are still no hope of return looming in the horizon. This will never happen again. In addition, the Prophet, peace and blessings be upon him, described this nation as being a strong and victorious one. We, the people of Baitul-Maqdis (Jerusalem) are always ready for resistance, which is a form of Jihad. Finally, I would like to direct the questioner’s attention to the fact that the Palestinian issue is not for Palestinians only; rather, it is the cause of all Muslims. Those people in Palestine are similar to the Muslims who resided in Makkah and kept their Islam secret until Makkah was peacefully entered and the darkness of disbelief was replaced with the light of Islam on the eighth year after Hijrah. We are waiting for similar occasion to occur in Palestine, Insha Allah.” Tackling the issue from another juristic perspective, the eminent Muslim scholar, Dr. M. M. Abu Laylah, the Head of the Islamic Studies in English Department at Al-Azhar Univ., states the following: “Such idea of making Palestinians leave their land is no more than Satanic whispers occupying the minds of some Muslims. Shall Muslims leave their lands for the occupiers who are seeking to extend their settlements at the cost of Muslim lands while they cannot guarantee their return? When the Prophet migrated from Makkah to Mainah, he left the land of Makkah to its people who were its inhabitants before Islam and remained so after they embraced Islam therein. But what Muslims expect from the Jews to do? This analogy is not correct, for the Palestinians are the real owners of the land. Their migration and relinquishing their land is no more than surrender to the occupiers and invaders who will spread mischief in it. The Jewish occupation cannot be compared with the situation in Makkah, for the people of Makkah were the owners of the land while the Jews came from different parts of the world to usurp the land that does not belong to them. A Muslim should not raise such a question. It’s not remote that the occupying forces are behind such ideas.” Allah Almighty knows best. |
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| Fozia |
| 09/07/03 at 13:42:30 |
| [slm] They're desperate is what they are. The Israeli's can massacre women and children indiscriminately, they can bulldoze houses never mind that people might be in them, they can shoot Western TV crew who have taped their actions, they can kill student peace protesters who are trying to help little children.... and yet we are not allowed to use the only means available, because when we do we are terrorists.....a muslims actions make front page news when he's deemed to be in the wrong, but we don't make page 20 when ours have been hurt. Arabs living in Israel have no rights I read recently their right to vote will be withdrawn and Israeli's are being forced to live apart from non Israeli spouses... I'll post the article up Inshallah. What do you suggest Muslims do Mike?? Sitting on their hands has achieved nothing but enabled Israel to increase it's borders within Pslestine. Wasalaam |
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| lucid9 |
| 09/07/03 at 15:30:44 |
| [quote author=Fozia link=board=ummah;num=1062930432;start=0#4 date=09/07/03 at 13:42:30] They're desperate is what they are. [/quote] So that gives them the right to do whatever they feel like ?? [quote] What do you suggest Muslims do Mike?? Sitting on their hands has achieved nothing but enabled Israel to increase it's borders within Pslestine. [/quote] So instead of sitting on their hands they should go and blow up buses filled with women and children?? Sometimes I get the feeling that muslims support this kind of barbarity because of the guilt of doing nothing themselves and because they really don't care very much about the affairs of muslims. (I.e. they are just bums who sit around on their butts all day making money and then get all over emotional and then try to assauge their guilty feelings by acting like armchair freedom fighters.) If all these muslims who think so highly of groups like this had any real sympathy for the suffering muslims, they would actively campaign against the real source of fear -- BJP India -- ready to annihate 150 million muslims. But no! They only care about what they see on tv (i.e. palestine and iraq). Shows how much muslims really care. :( :( People who support the denigration of islam via the support of groups committing barbaric acts in the name of beautiful and pristine Islam should know that they are destroying islam. And remember, nonmuslims will never be able to destroy islam -- the well intentioned but undisciplined and irrational muslims are the ones who will destroy it. (like the khawarij after the death of the prophet.) Nowadays us muslims are ready to **support** any sort of behaviour from muslims, no matter how terrible it is, simply because we think "they are so oppressed....what else can we expect from them...?" That is why you even have fatwas like Sheikh Qaradawi's which at the core are nothing more than arab/muslim nationalism. I.e. they want to destroy us -- so we can use any means to destroy them -- no matter how vile or despicable the means are. Where is the sense of right and wrong? A true muslim will try his best to abide by the islamic rule of law whatever the situation -- in victory or in defeat or even when on the verge of being slaughtered. There is a hadith about the end of time which states: that there will come a time when slaughter and killing are so ubiquitious throughout the land that it will be better to be slaughtered rather than to partake in the dam nable and odious acts of killing which everybody else participates in... Why do people (even mods like bhaloo) keep bringing these topics up, when they know very well that they are banned topics? |
| 09/07/03 at 16:46:46 |
| lucid9 |
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| jaihoon |
| 09/07/03 at 16:02:39 |
| [quote author=mike aka ltcorpest2 link=board=ummah;num=1062930432;start=0#1 date=09/07/03 at 10:15:01]Jaihoon, this mans position remain unchanged as to what? promising that murderers will go to paradise? Whatever good he does is blemished by these statements. Encouraging murder especially through suicide is against the quran plain and simple.[/quote] Before this thread reaches the zero tolerance level of honorable mods, may I make one thing clear. When i said 'his position remains unchanged', I meant that his popularity and relevance in the whole 'problem' remains unchanged. He still commands the love and respect of his people. While other leaders were 'great' and everyday in the headlines as long as they were US-backed, but the moment they were disliked by Uncle sam they disappeared out of the whole scene. They no longer appear in news, even in the inside pages ;) I posted the article so that the rest of ppl here learn the facts about the sheikh. just an FYI gesture. Not as my blind support of his political decisions. Allah knows best :) |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 09/07/03 at 17:23:56 |
| Bhaloo, what have you done to help your palestinian brothers? and or what do you think you should be doing ? |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 09/07/03 at 20:27:43 |
| thank you Jaihoon for your information. Lucid 9, I think that your post is one of the most thought provoking posts I have ever read on here. Bhaloo, If i took your post and substituted christian , jew or any other religion or nationality, then it makes it sound like if one of your own is killed then anything is fair game. Fozia, While i may not universally condemn suicide bombing as a military practice, i would have to condemn it as a religious practice that will get you into paradise. I understand their desperate situation. Without repeating myself my family was in a somewhat similar situation. My grandparents were shipped to siberia and died there, while my father and his brothers escaped to Germany and lived in a displaced persons camp for a few years. Were they cowards for not fighting the soviet invaders. I don't think so, but maybe you do. I do not know how to solve their situation, but what they are doing now does not seem to be working. Do you think that it has gotten them closer to their goals? From what i see it has not. |
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| UmmWafi |
| 09/09/03 at 04:49:20 |
[slm] [quote]The problem of the Muslims today is that they have abandoned their Muslim brothers and sisters and have abandoned Islam. They are quick to point fingers instead of helping them.[/quote] When we mention the word Muslims, we are referring to more than 2billion people. Inshaa Allah, I would like to include myself as a Muslim, as would my father, my mother, my husband, my grandmother, my children etc. Are we all people who abandoned Islam ? Are we all people who sit nothing but play the blame game ? I think in our haste and passion to try and empathise and sympathise with the plight of fellow Muslims, we have to be careful how we express that empathy and sympathy. For indeed, empathising with one group does not mean discriminating against the others. Allahu 'alim. [quote]While i may not universally condemn suicide bombing as a military practice, i would have to condemn it as a religious practice that will get you into paradise[/quote] What do you know of religious practices Mike ? Perhaps you have read that odd book or two or even attended classes, still, does that mean that you are now qualified to claim that you know exactly what is understood as religious practices in Islam ? Do you actually thoroughly understand the concept of jihad fii sabilillah ? What I find disturbing about this particular passage is how one circumstance is permissible while the other is not. A communist country wanting to invade a peaceful country and rape their women uses suicide bombing as a military strategy. Are you saying that is okay compared to a country who is constantly under brutal treatment defending their religious right via suicide bombing ? What makes one right and the other wrong ? Maybe your family responded differently to their plight and to me they did what was right FOR THEM. But we none of us can say that what is right for us must be right for others. At the end of the day, we all have to decide based on knowledge, conscience, heart and faith. Suicide bombing.....even the label is misleading some say. Some call them human missiles, some call them natural war resources. I reserve my opinions on this matter. Whatever it is, instead of criticising each other, condemning things we know nothing about, we should be making fervent du'ah that peace will reign, that Allah SWT will have mercy on the souls of Muslims and may the Right prevail over Wrong. Wassalam. |
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| Fozia |
| 09/09/03 at 07:09:01 |
| [quote author=lucid9 link=board=ummah;num=1062930432;start=0#5 date=09/07/03 at 15:30:44] So instead of sitting on their hands they should go and blow up buses filled with women and children?? [/quote] [slm] Nooooo, that's not what I meant at all, but this behaviour is reactionary to the treatment the individuals have been meted out by the Israelis. Take the road map to peace ::) It seems like Palestine can exist if they do not have a military, no arms of any sort, a governor chosen and agreed upon by the Isreali government, a land mass which can barely cope with the population and if they want to have peace than shut up about the tunnels beneath the masjid Al-Aqsa that they've dug in anticipation the structure collapsing.... Also from this end, if anyone dares voice an opinion against Israel one is automatically considered anti-semitic..... Br. Lucid9 I also have an intense dislike for the BJP, in the riots last year my aunt's family barely made it out of their houses before their houses and silk mills were burnt to the ground. My youngest uncle was stuck in Mumbai, and our shop there (with it's obviously Muslim name) was targeted by looters Alhamdulillah they only managed to wreak the minimum of damage. We lost lots of assets but no lives alhamdulillah. We do what we can from where we are. Want to hear something hysterical?? My cousin does Dawah, him and some boys of his age and a few men went with a Jamat to India, and Pakistan I think. They were fine there, on there way back from India to the UK, (they are all Brit passport holders) They were allowed to board the plane, then all of a sudden were escorted off the plane, held captive in a tiny cell with about 20 men to one cell, it was so small they couldn't even sit, they weren't given food or drink they were beaten up, when they finally got word to a local mosque of their plight the Maulana gave money to the wardens to feed them (the money disappeared). The family on this end were frantic as they weren't allowed access to the men (my cousin was about 20 at the time) about a month later they were all freed without charge or explanation and allowed to go home. All that was said was that they must have links to Osama Bin Laden...why??? I detest these laws which allow people any people so long as they're muslim to be arrested and held indefinitely without charge for owning a really badly grown beard... My cousin needless to say is never stepping foot in India ever again. I'm not praising the actions, I'm saying I can understand and find it hard to condemn. When Palestinian children throw sticks and stones the Israeli army is within it's bounds to reply with bullets, imagine the uproar if it were the other way round.... I once read somewhere, 'Never leave your enemy with nothing to lose', food for thought perhaps. Wasalaam |
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| Maliha |
| 09/09/03 at 09:45:24 |
| [slm] just one thing really bothers me...Sh. Al Qardawi (May Allah preserve him) has been studying Islam at the most prestigious Islamic Institution since *Elementary* school, for over 50 plus years, till now..post Ph.D. He has written extensively, has been jailed a lot, and even exiled from his home for a while. Nowadays, we have really ignorant muslims (like me, who have never ever studied Islam formally for any number of years), ready to dismiss a Religious ruling that has been derived after extensive study, simply because it doesn't go with well with "public opinion". Not good for dawah they say. It's Nationalistic...yeah that's what it is. Then comes non Muslims from Bush downwards, wanting to redefine Islam...yes "it's really not in the Quran"...islam is a religion of peace. meaning sit by while we tear your lands apart, blow you up, rape your women, and shackle your men. Sit by...and do nothing, cuz really Islam is a religion of peace don't you know that? ::) Subhana Allah. the only thought provoking part of Lucid's post, was the fact that it really illustrated the increasing gulf between the have muslims and the have nots. Between the ones wallowing in comforts and riches, preaching the high roads and those struggling to survive. Between those who have never tasted the bitter vileness of being "ethnically" cleansed, and those who have. May Allah give us a little bit more compassion. (Amin). [wlm] |
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| sofia |
| 09/09/03 at 16:13:08 |
| [slm] Rather than just looking at the effect, take a good, long, painful look at the cause. Most (in the US) refuse to do this, but it's a crucial part of fixing a wrong. As someone once put it, how do we expect those who are treated like beasts, to act like angels? Would "suicide bombings" exist if there was equity and justice carried out? If there was no state-sanctioned apartheid, ethnic genocide, bulldozing of homes, etc? Most relatively just societies have relatively peaceful civilians. Governments that actively support injustices elsewhere invariably have foreign-relation problems (as we see in the US, the govt is using its people as pawns). Not rocket-science. Those who support injustices in their own land, have a brewing pot to contend with and will easily find many other things to blame, rather than the actual cause. So although it's a relatively new and horrifying phenomenon, suicide bombings are not the point. It's distressingly [i]far[/i] from the point. Some suggestions I've heard: -publish pictures of the brutality of apartheid everywhere we can. Give it a human face. Give people the facts. How many people realize that the first "suicide bombing" of the second intifadah was after extreme measures taken by the Israeli govt? Even besides Palestine, how many people have seen a picture of what's happening in Kashmir? Although most journalists are quite limited in terms of what they can do there and leave with, there are some sources. -enjoin good and forbid evil, within ourselves and throughout our communities. It all starts at home. -make lots of du'aa that Allah forgives our shortcomings, saves us from fitnah and being a fitnah/trial to others, and makes us steadfast. -stop giving into the fitnah that shaytaan wants to busy us with, dividing us like pathetic prey of the wolf. Hold fast to the rope of Allah. For online pics of occupied Palestine (there are many more, these are just off the top of my head): Palestine Chronicles Electronic Intifadah Washington Report on Middle East Affairs Etc. For videos: Beyond the Mirage Palestine is still the Issue Gaza Strip USS Liberty videos (check AET) Etc. |
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| jannah |
| 09/10/03 at 01:18:24 |
| [quote]That is why you even have fatwas like Sheikh Qaradawi's which at the core are nothing more than arab/muslim nationalism. I.e. they want to destroy us -- so we can use any means to destroy them -- no matter how vile or despicable the means are. [/quote] [wlm] hmmm what exactly are you referring to and what exactly are you implying ? because that's quite a statement? |
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| lucid9 |
| 09/10/03 at 06:07:29 |
| Yup, it is.....surpised by my outrageous gall to [i]criticicize Sheikh Qaradawi[/i]? Wicked me.... People make islam out to be so complicated that the basic bits of what is right and wrong can seemingly only be understood by the religious equivalent of a nuclear physicist. In reality, what is right and wrong should be clear to all. It is part of our fitra (natural inclination), and it is what the heart is best at understanding. You don't have to read tomes and tomes of religious books to understand the basic fact that human life is invioble and the lives of women and children and those not actively fighting you are sacred and are not to blown up in wanton bus bombings.. Now, some mozlems might wanna try to wiggle their way around this by using X verse, Y hadith and Z stories of the seerah. I mean if you wanna cook up a fatwa, anyone can do it, all ya need is X, Y, and Z. But while you can trick your mind with such dishonesty, you can't trick the heart. And the heart says that we are all God's creation, and that we have a right to take life only when we have absolutely no other option (or when you are punishing for hadd crime, and you govern the area).. You might think this needs to be tempered by the religious laws, but this is also what the religious laws say. Women, children and noncombatants -- are not to be attacked, bombed, fought, massacred, slaughtered, or hurt. Why is this so difficult to understand? |
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| Shahida |
| 09/10/03 at 06:37:16 |
| [slm] I am not going to get into this discussion...may Allah s.w.t guide us all! But what is wrong with posting a biography of a Sheikh? I bet most people didn't know Sheikh Ahmad Yassin's history? I just wanted to say that *most* of us have NO IDEA what the heck is going on in that part of the world. You CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT make judgements. Ultimately we are NOT scholars, and certainly not scholars who understand the prevailing circumstances there. Even more importantly, remember that Allah swt will judge US for what we say and what we do. So bashing scholars, bashing groups of Muslims, bashing people for actions that you do not understand- no matter how you feel about them, in an open forum is IMHO far worse than keeping such feelings to yourself if you must have them in the first place ::) People judge Islam by the words and actions of Muslims. I feel it is irresponsible to say such things, however strongly you feel, in an open forum like this. Well said Nur-al-Layl...we are in serious need of open hearts and minds and serious guidance from Allah s.w.t. Enough said. |
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| bhaloo |
| 09/10/03 at 09:37:24 |
| [slm] There is nothing thought provoking about Lucid9's post. [quote author=lucid9 link=board=ummah;num=1062930432;start=0#5 date=09/07/03 at 15:30:44] That is why you even have fatwas like Sheikh Qaradawi's which at the core are nothing more than arab/muslim nationalism. [/quote] How dare you insult a scholar, and a scholar of the caliber of Sheikh Qaradawi! >:( How disgraceful. Who do you think you are to accuse him of nationalism? You don't know what his intentions are or how his judgement was established. "The flesh of the scholars is poison", ever hear that? Fear Allah! Mashallah sister Nur_al_Layl for defending the sheikh. [quote] So bashing scholars, bashing groups of Muslims, bashing people for actions that you do not understand- no matter how you feel about them, in an open forum is IMHO far worse than keeping such feelings to yourself if you must have them in the first place [/quote] Well said sister Shahida. Some people instead of taking responsibility for the problems in the Muslim world and saying its "our problem" are quick to point fingers at others and label them as deviants. Its easy to blame others instead of taking responsibility for the problems in the Ummah. |
| 09/10/03 at 09:55:02 |
| bhaloo |
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| lucid9 |
| 09/10/03 at 10:26:29 |
| [quote author=bhaloo link=board=ummah;num=1062930432;start=15#16 date=09/10/03 at 09:37:24] How dare you insult a scholar, and a scholar of the caliber of Sheikh Qaradawi! >:( How disgraceful. Who do you think you are to accuse him of nationalism? [/quote] Gimme a break! You keep trying to shove his opinion down people's throats, and when they choke and say it doesn't taste good and spit it back out, you jump on them??!! And accuse them of being a lesser muslim! Sheesh! |
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| UmmWafi |
| 09/10/03 at 10:35:46 |
| [slm] I am not a mod here (and I doubt I ever will be :) ) but may I suggest we stop here ? We are all gonna have different opinions but when it reaches public wrangling, it can be rather painful. Inshaa Allah khair..all our differences are due to our earnest wishes to see a better Ummah. Maybe it is good at this point in time to remind ourselves that all the mess the world is in right now starts with anger and hatred. Allahu'alim. Wassalam |
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| lucid9 |
| 09/10/03 at 12:30:54 |
| [slm] I'm the one being harassed, and i don't mind. So go ahead brothers and sisters. If you have a bone to pick with me, say whatever you want. I don't mind and don't worry I'm not going to descend into personalized vitriolics no matter how nasty you wanna be. [slm] -lucid9 |
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| jannah |
| 09/10/03 at 14:47:23 |
| [slm] Jazakallah khair, I just wanted to be clear on what was being discussed. Well now that we're clear that what is being discussed here is suicide/martyr bombing ergo fatwas thereof... we kind of get an idea of why it is a banned subject eh. So I'm closing the thread... a reminder that this is a BANNED TOPIC for a reason and for some reason it keeps coming up along with all the usual vitriolic negativity so lets please take a lesson and refrain. There are a million other topics we can discuss inshaAllah. |
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