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| Chris |
| 09/11/03 at 20:05:57 |
| I recived this email from MPAC (america) today: [i]MPAC has learned that the Mayor and several Council members of the City of Los Angeles are considering adopting a resolution that promotes the canard that American Muslims have not adequately condemned 9/11 and implies that Islam is a religion of terror. A ceremonial version of the resolution has already been signed by the Mayor and council members and is now in the public domain. The resolution reads in part as follows: "...we [the City of Los Angeles]?acknowledge the truth as to who the perpetrators themselves claim to be, that is, Muslims, carrying out the will of the Deity of their religion known as Islam;" "WHEREAS, backed and fully supported by all citizens in Los Angeles, we encourage Muslim-Americans to increase and intensify their open and public denouncements of those members within their religion and umma (community) who continue to engage in acts of terror throughout the world;" The resolution is intended to commemorate the events of 9/11, however embedded in it is this vicious language aimed at alienating American Muslims, promoting a myth, and instilling fear in our fellow Americans about Islam and Muslims. The resolution has been introduced by Councilwoman Jan Perry of L.A.'s 9th District and seconded by Councilman Antonio Villaraigoso of L.A.'s 14th District. It was certified by Council president Alex Padilla. The Muslim Public Affairs Council is working with the Mayor and these Councilpersons to clarify this resolution, and believe a mistake may have been made. Despite this, it is important that people of conscience contact councilpersons and the Mayor to ensure that there is no uncertainty that this incident was a mistake and that those councilpersons are apologetic. [/i] The sad thing is I agree with the people who say that we as muslims have not done enough to condem Osma and his gang of murderers. Not freedom fighters, MURDERERS!! There is no way that attacking a civilian target can be counted as a ligimate part of Jilhad. But most of us seem to have forgotton that. Many Muslims marched against the war in Iraw, despite the fact that Saddams removal would offer new hope to the Iraq people, who suffered under his yoke. They are our brothers and sisters, is their wellbeing so unimportant to us? We had the best chance of all; none of us would have to fight and risk death, we should have supported the war and then worked to turn Iraq into an islamic nation we could be proud of. Osama is, or claims to be, a Muslim. That means that Islamic Law, which demands the death sentance for murder, must apply to him, far more than it does to the people the Saudi's held prisoner. As such, he's our problem. We MUST take the lead in dealing with him. Instead, we fall into the trap of blaming the west, or america, for our problems, when in fact we brought them upon ourselves. Like the child, who forgets to brush his teeth and then blames the dentist for the pain, we allowed ourselves to forget. The US is now trying to act as our dentist, but the problem with dental work is simple; a lot of good teeth will go out with the bad..... Salaam Adam |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 09/12/03 at 01:34:31 |
| [slm] [quote author=Chris link=board=madrasa;num=1063321557;start=0#0 date=09/11/03 at 20:05:57] The sad thing is I agree with the people who say that we as muslims have not done enough to condem Osma and his gang of murderers. Not freedom fighters, MURDERERS!![/QUOTE] I disagree. "Islam is a religion of peace" must be one of the most commonly said phrases in America right now ::) The huge majority of Shaikhs have made very public that the attack on the WTC wasn't legal within Shariah. [QUOTE] There is no way that attacking a civilian target can be counted as a ligimate part of Jilhad. But most of us seem to have forgotton that. Many Muslims marched against the war in Iraw, despite the fact that Saddams removal would offer new hope to the Iraq people, who suffered under his yoke. They are our brothers and sisters, is their wellbeing so unimportant to us? We had the best chance of all; none of us would have to fight and risk death, we should have supported the war and then worked to turn Iraq into an islamic nation we could be proud of. [/QUOTE] Bro, do you know anyone from Iraq or currently living in Iraq? What about people with family in Iraq? Iraq was boundlessly better before the illegal American invasion. There's mad amounts of terrorism in Iraq now. Iraqis are being detained without reason under horrible conditions, women's rights have fallen DRASTICALLY, and civilians, including children, are getting shot and killed by American troops left and right. There's no jobs; Unemployment is extremely high. That creates poverty. Water is now a very limited resource. It SUCKS in Iraq now. It was much, much better before. Establishing a nation, is not something that can be done overnight. Nor is it an easy thing to do. It's very hard to put the right people into power; power changes people. Evidence of this, is basically every Islamic nation on the face of the earth right now. [QUOTE] Osama is, or claims to be, a Muslim. That means that Islamic Law, which demands the death sentance for murder, must apply to him, far more than it does to the people the Saudi's held prisoner. As such, he's our problem. We MUST take the lead in dealing with him. Instead, we fall into the trap of blaming the west, or america, for our problems, when in fact we brought them upon ourselves. Like the child, who forgets to brush his teeth and then blames the dentist for the pain, we allowed ourselves to forget.[/QUOTE] We brought what upon ourselves? All the persecution and discrimination? The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq (which were both oh-so much better before, according to people I know with family there)? I would be deeply distressed if everyone was making statements like the ones you made in this paragraph. Muslims should [i]never[/i], ever take up arms against Muslims. Follow the example of Bilal, radhiallahu anhu; When the Muslims were warring with each other, he broke his sword (The one the Prophet [saw] gave him), symbolizing he wouldn't take up arms against another Muslim. When Muslims are fighting, it's best not to take up arms. When a Muslim fights a Muslim and one kills the other, they both have the sin. And that's no small sin. [QUOTE]The US is now trying to act as our dentist, but the problem with dental work is simple; a lot of good teeth will go out with the bad.....[/QUOTE] The US is trying to bleech our teeth with their value system. I'll stick to my siwak. [slm] |
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| Fozia |
| 09/12/03 at 04:58:28 |
| [slm] You can't accuse a believer of being an infidel no matter how much you may disagree with his behaviour. OK so we've not done enough to condemn their behaviour, what do you suggest, every muslim of this world go form an orderly queue at Guantanamo bay airport?? Saddam was put into power by the Americans his arms came from the same source funnily enough, when he was murdering his people the us of a had nothing to say about it except, perhaps, tell us when you need us to pass you more mustard gas... The killing of innocents is wrong, I'm sure Afghanistan, Bosnia, Palestine and Iraq agree. I think the USA hasn't shown any remorse for killing my brethren. September 11 was denounced by muslims worldwide, why do I feel that this is going to keep coming up, ie your just not sorry enough, and used for the next war, just like those none existant wmd's.... Wasalaam |
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| hayat |
| 09/12/03 at 05:13:39 |
| [slm] whitesomali wrote: [quote]There's no jobs; Unemployment is extremely high. That creates poverty. Water is now a very limited resource. It SUCKS in Iraq now. It was much, much better before. [/quote] uhmmmm sure about THAT???? ws hayat |
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| Nabila |
| 09/12/03 at 05:14:23 |
| [slm] [i]Osama is, or claims to be, a Muslim. That means that Islamic Law, which demands the death sentance for murder, must apply to him, far more than it does to the people the Saudi's held prisoner. As such, he's our problem. We MUST take the lead in dealing with him.[/i] If I recollect rightly, when OBL denied being responsible for the attack, didnt the Taleban *offer* to have OBL tried in an International Court? The US refused. They preferred to nuke 20,000 innocent people instead. ma asalaamah and take care |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 09/12/03 at 07:14:12 |
| [slm] [QUOTE] uhmmmm sure about THAT???? [/QUOTE] Well, not firsthand. According to Iraqi people still living in Iraq, and people I know with family in Iraq, it was better before. I have no reason to doubt what I've been told, and I've been told lotss :( [slm] |
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| hayat |
| 09/12/03 at 07:58:20 |
| [slm] so better when saddam was there?? awful. hmm.. weird that people say so, there has to be sth true lying in it then. well i think i fyou consider that they were not politically sued or sth similar, this could indeed be true. but when remembering all those which were, because they just expressed some kind of own opinion, tortured and so on, they surely dont feel the same do they ws hayat |
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| Maliha |
| 09/12/03 at 09:18:03 |
| [slm] Chris I would suggest reading some alternative news : www.zmag.net www.democracynow.org www.commondreams.org They provide *excellent* analysis on the political intentions of the US , their total and utter failure in providing anything good for the people of Iraq, and their continued intent to usurp other's wealth and natural resources. Saddam is not the only Despot in the world. I was against the war in Iraq. Dead set against it. Why??? a) a half a million children had died *before* the war due to the US led Sanctions (of course under the banner of the *weak* UN) against Iraq. b) Depleted Uranium used in the first gulf war has left many *suffering* greatly and born with great deformities. c)When Iraqis were *very* close in desposing of Saddam right after the first Gulf War, the US helped Saddam against the majority of his own people... Those are very few points. The last point indicates that the welfare of the regular Iraqi citizens IS NOT the main interest of US. If Saddam is soo bad, it's because of direct and continued US support through the worst of his crimes. The plan for US invasion of Iraq AND afghanistan were in place waayyyy before 9/11. Cheney, Wolfowitz, Powell and the rest have not hidden their greedy claws and intimate relations with Hulliburton and other US OIL companies. To think the US has any sort of "big" brotherly love for us, or dentist relationship with us, is sadly extremely naive. US will continue making us eat the dust that is 9/11. If no one has heard the scholars and regular Muslims condemning 9/11 its probably because they were SCREAMING too loudly. Gosh...i mean how much are we gonna have to pay for a crime we *didn't* commit. I am still waiting for the so called evidence that OBL did it. Why was it a lot easier to bomb half of Afghanistan away than take him to court like regular civilized people do? Please read more on the topic...Muslims need to start taking proactive measures against the injustices on our people, instead of running around apologizing and pandering to a government that is bent on our destruction. sis in struggle. [wlm] |
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| se7en |
| 09/13/03 at 01:12:23 |
| MUSLIM, ARAB GROUPS CONDEMN LA RESOLUTION Groups Urge New Resolution to Prevent anti-Muslim Bigotry (LOS ANGELES, CA - 9/12/2003) - Prominent Muslim and Arab-American civil rights and advocacy organizations* today condemned the recent push for an anti-Muslim Los Angeles City Council resolution. The groups called on the council to pass a counter-resolution to acknowledge the peaceful and tolerant nature of Islam and the important contribution Muslims make to the nation and the great city of Los Angeles. The anti-Muslim resolution, which was intended to memorialize the events of September 11th, blamed Islam for terrorism and accused American Muslims of not doing enough to denounce terrorism. The resolution was introduced by Councilwoman Jan Perry (9th District), seconded by Councilman Antonio Villaraigosa (14th District), and certified by the Council President Alex Padilla. "Muslims have repeatedly condemned those who claimed to act in the name of Islam. No group of people should be blamed for the acts of a few," said Sabiha Khan, communications director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations - Southern California (CAIR-LA). "Such bigoted notions have no place in the great city of Los Angeles that prides itself on respect for diversity." According to news reports, council members have rescinded the proposed resolution and will apologize to the Muslim community. The groups urged Mayor James Hahn, Councilwoman Jan Perry (9th District), Councilman Antonio Villaraigosa (14th District), and Council President Alex Padilla to repudiate the original resolution and to initiate a thorough investigation into how such a racist resolution could pass through city offices unnoticed for a vote. * Council on American-Islamic Relations - Southern California (CAIR-LA), American-Arab Anti-Discrimination - Los Angeles/Orange County (ADC-LA/OC), Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) -END- NOTE: Interfaith, Civil Rights, and other organizations are encouraged to contact the CAIR-LA office to sign on this statement. CONTACT: CAIR-LA: Sabiha Khan, (714) 776-1847 or (714) 390-0334, socal@cair.com; ADC-LA/OC: Ban Al-Wardi, (310) 552-2888, adclaoc@hotmail.com; MPAC: Sarah Eltantawi, (714)383-3443 ALSO SEE: MOTION TYING MUSLIMS TO TERROR DIES Jessica Garrison, Los Angeles Times, 9/12/03 http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-muslim12sep12,1,1770571.story Los Angeles City Council members Jan Perry and Antonio Villaraigosa said Thursday that they had made a mistake when they signed a resolution blaming Muslims for the Sept. 11 attacks and other acts of terrorism. The motion, which the elected officials said had been drafted by an advocate for the homeless, Ted Hayes, and which Villaraigosa said he had signed without reading carefully, said that "in remembering the victims of Sept. 11 ... we also remember and acknowledge the truth as to who the perpetrators themselves claim to be, that is, Muslims, carrying out the will of the Deity of their religion known as Islam." The resolution also called on Muslims to "intensify their ... denouncements of those members within their religion and community who continue to engage in acts of terror throughout the world." Maher Hathout, spokesman for the Islamic Center of Southern California and senior advisor of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, said the Muslim community was outraged by the motion... ----- |
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| Anonymous |
| 09/13/03 at 23:37:04 |
| Assalamu-alai-kkum I once heard about a study conducted which actually says that crisis/hardship/material is a surefire material behind a sucessful person. As one community we are one body and hardships on us is natural. It will be InshaAllah just another hurdle for the success of us muslims. We cannot please the world, yes we can only please Allah (period) So I just got reminded by one hadith which I think says that to help your brother if he is being oppresed and or he is the oppressor. The puzzled Sahabis asked how come you can help the oppressor, we could understand helping the oppressed. To which the messgenger of Allahs, peace on him said that to prevent your brother from doing oppression is helping him. and now that is something to think about..... |
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