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| tincanman |
| 09/14/03 at 16:11:54 |
BIN LADEN: On The Second Anniversary of 911 Sep 13, 2003 Here is the complete text, uncut and uncensored, of remarks made by Sheikh Osama bin Laden via video tape sent to Arab television channel Al Jazeera and aired in part Wednesday September 10th, 2003. One item to note - it appears this tape may have been clipped. Bin laden generally starts his addresses with a preamble which is omitted from the audio. Further the footage appears similar to the last tape released by Al Jazeera and there is no specific reference to current events, indicating it may have in fact been recorded some time earlier. We remind our viewers that the statements, opinions and points of view expressed in this article are those of the author and shall not be deemed to mean that they are necessarily those of Jihad Unspun, the publisher, editor, writers, contributors or staff. In The Name Of God, The Merciful, The Mercy-Giving On The Occasion Of The Second Anniversary Of The Attacks On New York And Washington Those young men inflicted enormous losses on the enemy, both materially and in terms of morale. They also foiled their aggressive plans. For it has been documented that this plan of aggression involving the occupation and partition of the region was hatched more than six months before the two attacks. The enemy was thrown into confusion and this was enough to alert the people and rouse them from their slumber for jihad in the path of God. I had the honor of coming to know those men, for indeed people are honored by such individuals. How can it be otherwise, when God has honored them and enabled them to be of support to Islam? I see them as being like a seedling planted by God in His religion that He used in a pious deed for Him. Their achievements belong to God. "These are my forefathers; bring me men like them if we are to meet again, O Jarir" He who wants to learn truthfulness, faithfulness, generosity, and courage to support religion from contemporary examples, then he must draw lessons from (Saeed) al-Ghamidi, Muhammad Atta, Khalid al-Mihdar, Ziad al-Jarrahi, Marwan al-Shehhi, and their brothers, may God have mercy on them. These people learned from the traditions of our prophet Muhammad, may God's peace and blessings be upon him, who is the most honest of all people, the most courageous, and most generous. He, may God's peace and blessings be upon him, said "You will never find me to be stingy, a coward, or a liar." These traits are necessary for upholding the faith. Whoever is denied these traits cannot champion or uphold the religion of God. And here, I say to those who do not enjoy some of these characteristics and who have hung back and mixed things up about the jihad: He who is not convinced of killing should get out of the way and not mislead those who are convinced. I say to them: He who fears climbing mountains will always live in holes. This faithful youth and his brothers were young. Man is judged by the tiniest parts of his body; that is his heart and tongue (saying of the Prophet Muhammad PBUH). However, they were men with great minds and great resolve. They repeatedly protected their sanity and minds from being trampled underfoot or exposed to danger by the deception of the lackey governments and their institutions, which paint vice as virtue and virtue as a vice, falsehood as truth, and enemies as friends, time after time. This is because these young men were true believers, and believers are not bitten twice from the same hole, as our prophet, may God's peace and blessings be upon him, said. Those youths knew that the road to eternal damnation is the obstruction of the Shari'a [Islamic law], even of some of its rulings. They refused to be subservient in this, even to princes and Ulema. They believe that the integrity of the Shari'a takes precedence over the safety of men regardless of how great they are, and that in God's religion people are equals. They are guided by the saying of the prophet, may God's peace and blessings be upon him, that says: "By God, if Fatimah the daughter of Muhammad were to steal, I would cut her hand off." These young men have understood the meaning of the phrase "There is no god but God", which is the core of Islam. It must prevail over our actions, and guide us in all aspects of our life. But since the facts on the ground are otherwise; in fact, it is the rulers' whims and their legislation that prevail over people's actions, even though they allow people to perform some rituals - these young men knew that the rulers had nothing to stand on. As a matter of fact, they [those leaders] are apostates, even if they pray, fast, and claim to be Muslims. These young men refused to sit back with others and safely engage in hellish things. Instead, they set out and hastened to uphold the cause of God and the call of monotheism: There is no God but God, and Muhammad is the messenger of God. They waged jihad against the infidels. They were like Mu'adh ibn al-Jamuh when he asked Abd al-Rahman ibn 'Awf, may God be pleased with both of them, the following question: "Do you know Abu Jahl, uncle?" Ibn 'Awf said: "Yes. But what do you want with him, nephew?" Ibn al-Jamuh said: "I have been told that he reviles God's messenger. By Him in whose hand my soul is, if I see him, I shall not leave him until the one of us who is to die first dies." [Narrated by al-Bukhari and Muslim, see Mishkat al-Masabih, pp. 856-857] This is honesty, and this is faith. Each and every matter has its own reality. The reality of this hero, Saeed al-Ghamidi and his brothers is that they showed the truthfulness of their faith by offering themselves and their heads for the sake of God. Thus, they trod a path that tremendously enraged the infidels, and that will continue to enrage them for a long time, God willing. This happened when they opted for practical applications and fundamental solutions to champion the cause of the faith and tossed aside the unjust infidel solutions, the solutions offered by the United Nations, and by the atheistic parliaments, the solutions offered by tyrannical rulers, who have made themselves into gods who legislate in place of God. Moreover, they paid no attention to the futile solutions, the solutions of the prevaricators, the Arabs of the desert who sit down and hang back, who have been preoccupied with their money and kindred and who have deceived themselves to the effect that they have been busy [preparing for jihad] for dozens of years. There is a vast difference between him who views the fields of preparation and the arenas of jihad as a hardship, separation of fathers and sons, and risking one's life and money (for Satan will prevent him from continuing on the road to jihad getting him to sit back with the other slackers) and he who views the arenas of jihad as being the market of paradise, whose doors are open, causing him to fear to tarry even for an hour, lest the doors might close before him, or he fears that he might become one of those whose resurrection God is not pleased with, and so, He will make him lag behind, as God the Exalted said: "And if they had intended to go forth, they would assuredly have made some preparation for it; but God was averse to their being sent forth, so he held them back, and it was said to them: 'Sit back among those who sit (at home).” Qur'an 9:46 He fears that if he does not respond to God's order and disobeys Him by sitting back, away from the jihad in obedience to the Arabs of the desert who failed to join the Mujahideen, God will come in between him and his heart, and thus he will stray from the right path and be of the sinful ones. God the Exalted says: "O you who believe! Answer God (by obeying him) and his Messenger when he calls you to that which will give you life, and know that God comes in between a person and his heart, and verily, to him you shall all be gathered." Qur'an 8:24 God also says: "Say: If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you have gained, the commerce in which you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you delight are dearer to you than God and his Messenger, and jihad in His cause, then wait until God brings about his decision. And God guides not the wrong doers." Qur'an 9:24, Osama bin Laden 14 Rajab 1424 (September 10, 2003) www.jihadunspun.com |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 09/14/03 at 16:57:25 |
| [slm] La ilaha illaLlaah ... What a bunch of nonsense!? I feel embarassed to even allow such material posted on a message board which I moderate! I can sit here and refute the statements made in this address, about how they are completely antithetical to the teachings of Islam. However, there's no point for me to do this as the Truth is indeed clear from Falsehood for those who look at things with an objective mind. I don't know whether this message really was authored by Bin Laden. It's not difficult to doctor a false tape, and publicize it to generate further propaganda against Al-Qaeda and/or Bin Laden/Middle East/Islam. I'm not saying it's a conspiracy and Bin Laden is free from blame, and I'm not saying Bin Laden is a kafir! I'm saying I don't know, and therefore I will not make a judgment about this. However, regardless of who the author of these words is, they are despicable and far from the teachings of our Deen. May Allah (awj) protect His Deen. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah |
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| jannah |
| 09/14/03 at 17:20:24 |
| [slm] There's an axiom in Islamic law called LAA DARARA WA LA DIRAAR -- Don't initiate harm and don't reciprocate harm. This is a hadith from RAS [saw]. In making Islamic rulings this postulate determines what is right and wrong. In every action we take or enjoin others to take we should think about whether we are fulfilling this aim of the shariah or not. This is our lithmus test. Now if someone wants to make up their own rules or their own evaluation of what should be done individually and collectively or what justifies what... then don't call that Islam because it is not following Islamic ethics or principles. |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 09/14/03 at 17:43:44 |
| [slm] The fact of the matter is, every scholar worth the name has condemned the acts of Sep. 11 in the clearest words in the past two years. This is not limited to the American Muslim scholars, but scholars all over the world. They did not do so because they were scared, or because of worldly gains. The Prophet [saw] said, my ummah will not unite on falsehood. If then we have one so-called "shaykh" who continues to praise the perpetrators of Sep. 11 (regardless of who they were), then with all due respect, he's going against the consensus of the ulemaa. And we were taught by the Prophet [saw] to stick to the jamaa'ah [group]. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah |
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| bhaloo |
| 09/14/03 at 18:39:09 |
| [slm] Let me first start of by saying that I don't know any scholar of Islam that has said what has happened on Sep. 11 is permissible. [quote author=Abu_Hamza link=board=ummah;num=1063566714;start=0#3 date=09/14/03 at 17:43:44] If then we have one so-called "shaykh" who continues to praise the perpetrators of Sep. 11 (regardless of who they were), then with all due respect, he's going against the consensus of the ulemaa. [/quote] Is there a reason why you called him a "so-called "shaykh""? ??? Do you have knowledge about him and know what his intentions are to make such a judgement? Have any of the ulema made any rulings on him? Me personally I don't know about him nor have I heard any scholar of Islam talk about him and am an ignorant to make such a ruling. I'm sure we're all familiar with the saying, "War is deception." Unfortunately I don't have the reference handy. But let's imagine that this brother here, is making all this stuff up, is praising these people from 9/11. Imagine if what happened on 9/11 was carried out by the kuffar. Now they have an open excuse to attack ANY muslim nation. How would you stop such a powerful army, the most powerful army in the history of the world? Create confusion? Make things up? Lie? Causing unnecessary paranoia amongst the kafir, causing them to spend billions of dollars on unnecessary security, creating a madeup Homalnd Defence agency, wasting their time and resources trying to find an enemy that doesn't exist, instead of using it to kill Muslims like they have been for decades in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechneya, Bosnia, Somalia, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, ets. Leading the enemies of Islam on a wild goose chase. Do you see anything wrong with this? Allahu alam what his intentions are. BTW: I haven't heard him admit to having any involvement with 9/11. |
| 09/14/03 at 18:41:44 |
| bhaloo |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 09/14/03 at 19:53:02 |
| [slm] [quote author=bhaloo link=board=ummah;num=1063566714;start=0#4 date=09/14/03 at 18:39:09] Is there a reason why you called him a "so-called "shaykh""? ??? Do you have knowledge about him and know what his intentions are to make such a judgement? Have any of the ulema made any rulings on him? Me personally I don't know about him nor have I heard any scholar of Islam talk about him and am an ignorant to make such a ruling.[/quote] What judgment have I made? Did I call him a kafir? Mubtadi'? Fasiq? Aasee? Mudhnib? Munafiq? Kaadhib? Zindeeq? Or anything else which is considered a *negative* trait in Islam? He is called "shaykh" by some (the author of the above article, for example). I don't believe he is a shaykh. He has no credentials to deserve that title (to the contrary, there are statements he has made which show his lack of proper understanding about the various concepts of sharee'ah, including usage of weak ahadith over well-accepted authentic ones, etc, which clearly show he is not at the level of an aalim). That is not an attack on his belief or his piety. He may be a very pious man, God-fearing mujaahid, and even one of the muhsinoon - wallahu a'lam. But he's not a shaykh! I can criticize, with more right, the person who calls him a shaykh - for such a person degenerates the status of the mashaa'ikh by putting any Zaid, Bakr or Mahmood at their level. Prove the shaykh-ness of the individual, before putting him on the same pedestal as the other ulamaa'. [quote]let's imagine that this brother here, is making all this stuff up, is praising these people from 9/11. Imagine if what happened on 9/11 was carried out by the kuffar. Now they have an open excuse to attack ANY muslim nation. How would you stop such a powerful army, the most powerful army in the history of the world? Create confusion? Make things up? Lie? Causing unnecessary paranoia amongst the kafir, causing them to spend billions of dollars on unnecessary security, creating a madeup Homalnd Defence agency, wasting their time and resources trying to find an enemy that doesn't exist, instead of using it to kill Muslims like they have been for decades in Palestine, Kashmir, Chechneya, Bosnia, Somalia, Indonesia, Afghanistan, Iraq, ets. Leading the enemies of Islam on a wild goose chase. Do you see anything wrong with this?[/quote] Yes. Many things. You cannot apply one hadith and neglect 10 others while you're doing it. There are objectives in our Sharee'ah, weighing of harms and benefit to the Ummah and to the Deen, and so on. If one's actions don't protect and work with the overall objectives of the Sharee'ah, they are condemned by the Sharee'ah. But in all honesty, I'm shocked by what you say bro. Do you really believe the videos and messages of Usama bin Laden have caused more good to the Muslim ummah, by protecting them from the attacks of the enemy, than harm?! I would argue that the exact opposite is the case. These messages have been blown up by the media, and used as *the* incentive to wage and continue to wage this "war on terrorism" (i.e. war on Islam)! That is why I even hinted in my post above about the possibility that these videos may not be of Bin Laden at all, but completely doctored to rouse the general public in continuing its support to bomb the hell outta Iraq, Iran, Syria and any other country that "harbors" or "aids" the "terrorists!!" Wallahu a'lam. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah |
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| Abu_Hamza |
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| Anonymous |
| 09/15/03 at 02:38:46 |
| bismillah... assalamu alaikum okay - there are so many question marks surrounding who actually allowed 9/11 to happen. that's br. bhaloo's point. he is not justifying 9/11, just saying that the events that followed on a world scale makes one wonder if the us has at least been complicit in not stopping it. you gotta wonder - afghanistan, iraq and more to come. i used to laugh at conspiracy theories. not anymore. this is way too much. in any case, i am of the opinion that these types of topics create fitnah between an already divided muslim ummah. we don't have the luxury to differ/bicker anymore. not at this moment in time. wassalamu alaikum |
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| tincanman |
| 09/15/03 at 14:17:56 |
| AL-ZAWAHIRI: On The Second Anniversary of 911 Sep 13, 2003 Here is the complete text, uncut and uncensored, of remarks by Sheikh Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Al-Qaida’s number two man, on the occasion of the second anniversary of the attacks on New York and Washington made via audio tape sent to Arab television channel Al Jazeera and broadcast in part Wednesday September 10th, 2003. We remind our viewers that the statements, opinions and points of view expressed in this article are those of the author and shall not be deemed to mean that they are necessarily those of Jihad Unspun, the publisher, editor, writers, contributors or staff. On The Occasion Of The Second Anniversary Of The Attacks On New York And Washington In The Name Of God, The Merciful, The Mercy-Giving In The Name Of God. Praise Be To God And peace and blessings on the messenger of God and his family and companions and supporters. The second anniversary of the attacks on New York and Washington is now upon us. It reminds us of the sacrifice of our heroic nineteen brothers, who with their blood recorded a page of American history, a rejection by the Muslims of America's arrogance and tyranny, an expression of their pride in their religion, their belief, and their dignity, and their determination to avenge the Muslims and oppressed of humankind. The second anniversary of the attacks on New York and Washington comes as a challenge to America and its crusader campaign as it reels from the wounds it has sustained in Afghanistan and Iraq. It exposes its deception as it conceals the extent of its losses in those two lands. On this anniversary we wish to address the peoples of the crusader campaign states, in order to tell them this: We are not advocates of killing and destruction. But with the help of God we will cut off any hand that reaches out to us in aggression. We are telling you: Enough deviance in belief! Enough degeneration in behavior! Cease your attacks upon the people and property of the oppressed! Enough of this trading in slogans about "freedom and justice," and "human rights"! We call you to Islam, the religion of the oneness of God; of justice, temperance, purity, and might. If you reject Islam, at least put a halt to your aggression against our Islamic world community. For decades you have been killing our women and children, stealing our wealth, and supporting tyrants who brutally dominate our community. If you refuse to do anything but continue your aggression, then expect us to respond to you with every means that you have used against the Muslims and against all the oppressed of the children of humanity. If you refuse to do anything but continue your aggression, then we say: "come on, go ahead" for you will be heading for the abyss. Know that a community exists that prefers death in God's cause over life in humiliation and is a community that with God's grace can never be defeated. Two years have now passed since the attacks on New York and Washington, and since the start of your crusader campaign. What have you harvested from this period? Which one of us was the more truthful in his statements? Us or your greatest criminals, Bush and Blair? Your greatest criminals promised you that terrorism would be crushed. They seduced you with the oil of Iraq and the promise that you could dominate it. Do you find that they have fulfilled their promises? Have you seen us bowing, begging, and surrendering? Or do we ask God's help and attack, become martyrs, and pursue you everywhere? Your greatest criminals promised you that they would crush Al-Qaida in order to make your lives secure. Has Al-Qaida met its end, despite all the ferocious dirty wars that have been waged against it? Or has it spread, expanded, and increased the jumber of its supporters, by the grace and power of God? Are your lives now secure? Or do you move from one fear to another, from one alarm to another? Do you remember the pledge made by the mujahid, Sheikh Osama bin Laden, may God preserve him, that America will never enjoy security until we live in real security in Palestine and in all the lands of Islam? Has he been true to his word to you? Or have Bush and Blair told you the truth about their crusader campaign? Do you know what Al-Qaida is? It is the product of a Muslim world community that has decided to fight you to the death, refusing to surrender to your crimes and excesses! Can you crush the whole Muslim world community?! We wish to inform you and to tell you that what you have seen so far is nothing but the first skirmishes, just the beginning of the battle. The real epic has not yet begun. So prepare yourselves for retaliation for your crimes. We call on you to stop and make a true accounting of yourselves in which you review your crimes against the Muslims. Then ask the greatest of your criminals about the real extent of your losses in Iraq and Afghanistan. We challenge them to have the courage to tell you frankly. But they are too cowardly for that. We advise the mothers of the crusader soldiers: if you hope to see your children, hurry to demand that their governments send them home before they return in coffins. On this anniversary, we address our Muslim brothers in Palestine: We can affirm to you that the wound of Palestine bleeds in the heart of every Muslim, and that, with the help and power of God, we will not let America dream of security until we live in real security in Palestine and all the lands of Islam. We call on the Palestinians to be firm on the path of jihad and not to be taken in by the deception of America and its agents who put their blessings on the Road Map to hell. Palestine will not be liberated except by jihad. Beware! Beware! Beware of laying down your weapons! You must hold fast to the principle of supporting the Believers and opposing the infidels, for unity cannot be attained any other way. Beware of forming alliances with those who recognize the legitimacy of Israel and are happy to receive its crumbs. As to our brothers the Mujahideen in Iraq: We salute you and shake your hands and ask God to bless your sacrifices and heroism in fighting the crusaders. We say to the Iraqis: God is with you and the whole Muslim world community supports you. So rely on God and devour the Americans as lions devour their prey. Bury them in the graveyard of Iraq, for victory is only a matter of one hour of patient perseverance. Muslims around Iraq! People of Syria, the land of the fastnesses, men of the victorious community! People of Turkey, descendants of Muhammad the Conqueror, may God bless him! People of the Arabian Peninsula, descendants of the Prophet's Companions, may God be pleased with them, vanguards of the jihad in Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Chechnya! The Americans have come to you on their way to Iraq. So rise to teach them a lesson. Give them a taste of the death from which they flee. To our brother Muslims in Pakistan we say: How long will you be patient with Musharraf, the traitor who sold out the blood of the Muslims in Afghanistan and handed over the Arab emigrant Mujahideen, the descendants of the Companions of the Prophet, to crusader America? If it had not been for his treason, the lackey government in Kabul would not have been set up - the government that has brought the Indians to the western borders of Pakistan. He did not stop there but subjugated Pakistan's nuclear facilities to American inspection. He strangled the jihad in Kashmir and is striving to sell it out and then to recognize Israel, and all this for a handful of dollars that America stuffs in his pocket. A person who sells out his religion will never sacrifice for anybody else. Therefore, let Pakistani officers and their men know that Musharraf will hand them over to the Indians as prisoners just as Yahya Khan handed Dakka to them and then fled abroad to enjoy his secret accounts. The Muslims in Pakistan today must stand together in one rank to protect Pakistan from the crusader campaign that is forging an alliance with the Hindus against the Muslims. Let those who have weak souls know that America does not return good to anyone and recognizes only its own interests. Let them know that America is forging an alliance with India against the Muslims in the Subcontinent. Move, Muslims in Pakistan, before you awaken from slumber to find Hindu soldiers bursting into your homes with the connivance of America. To our Muslim brothers in Afghanistan: We bring you good news that victory is near, by the grace of God. The Americans are now retreating before your blows. So do not allow them to flee. Bury them in Afghanistan together with their English allies. As for those who threw themselves at the feet of the crusaders in Kabul, those who formerly were associated with the jihad, we say to them that the Americans will get rid of you after they have got all they need from you and you will have gained disgrace in this world and will have lost the hereafter. So pay attention to what the Qur'an has ruled regarding you, where God says: "And you see those in whose heart is a disease racing toward them saying, 'We fear lest a change of fortune befall us.' And it may happen that God will grant you victory or a commandment from Himself. Then some morning they will awaken regretful about what they have concealed within themselves." Qur'an 5:52 To our Muslim world community in all the lands of Islam we say: The lesson that we have learned from the past two years is that victory comes with patient perseverance, and that our enemy is extremely weak. So be firm, Muslims, in the field of jihad. Political solutions are good for nothing. Demonstrations will not defeat an enemy. Take up your weapons and defend your creed and your dignity. The interests of your enemies are spread out everywhere. So deny them security anywhere and in any place, even on their own ground. We praise God to you that He has gladdened us by embroiling the Americans in Iraq after Afghanistan. The Americans in both countries are now between two fires; if they withdraw they lose everything. But if they stay, they will bleed to death. Know Muslims, the crusaders and the Jews cannot take our countries except by the treason of lackey leaders and their supporters among the rulers' Ulema who have sold out the lands of Islam to its enemies. So hasten with all that you possess - the weapon of knowledge - so that the call may reach every group in the Muslim world community. To those lions being held in chains, the Muslim prisoners everywhere, we say: "Truly with hardship must come ease, truly with hardship must come ease" Qur'an 94:5-6 “So patiently persevere, for God's help is near” Qur'an 2:214 And know that your relief is a debt owed by every Muslim. We pledge to God that we will spare nothing to break your fetters with the help and power of God. As to those who make bargains in order to turn in Muslim prisoners to their crusader enemies, we inform them that the crusaders will sweep down upon them even though they sell them their own wives and children. We tell them that theirs will be an evil legacy in the history of Islam together with the traitors, lackeys,and those who sold out their religion, and then will come God's punishment in the hereafter. "And how wretched is what they buy!" Qur'an 3:187 Let them know that handing over Muslim prisoners to their enemies is a crime that must be punished. It is a matter with grave consequences. The Muslim world community today is uniting by the grace of God around the banner of jihad against its crusader and Jewish enemies. A new dawn of might and dignity is breaking over the lands of Islam. The Muslim community has learned the path of victory, martyrdom, and sacrifice in God's cause. Muslim world community! This age of jihad has begun after governments and parties have crumbled. So have faith in the help of God. Storm the fields of jihad. God the Exalted told his Prophet, may peace and blessings be upon him, "So fight in the way of God, since you are only held responsible for yourself. Encourage believers; perhaps God will fend off the violence of those who disbelieve. God is Strongest when things come to violence, and Sternest in punishment." Qur'an 4:84 Our last prayer is for praise to God, the Lord of the Universe, And may the blessings of God and peace be upon our master Muhammad, his family and companions. Ayman Al-Zawahiri 14 Rajab 1424 (September 10, 2003) www.jihadunspun.com |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 09/15/03 at 20:40:43 |
| Zawahiri looks like another one of those decepetions taking the false blame for 911 so that america will maybe take over another muslim country and they will be stretched ever thinner in their troops. it looks like they are playing it perfectly. |
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| panjul |
| 09/17/03 at 20:15:06 |
| Interesting theory Mike. :) All in favor of banning bin laden/al-qaida topic pls raise your hand. ( :-) (me raises hand) ) (All these parenthesis are due to the fact that I'm taking a logic course and I'm applying what I learned in theory in a practical situation.) But yeah, i'm still in favor of banning bin landen/ and al-qaeda talk from the board. It just degenerates into a virtual fight. *panjul vows never to mention the two again on the board* Salams and take care everyone |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 09/18/03 at 11:50:20 |
| Hey panjul, I hope everything is going well with you. Hey, and the post about your stressful times, you need to get some physical excercise at least 4 times a week and stay off the coffee. |
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| jannah |
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| se7en |
| 09/20/03 at 00:18:21 |
| as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah, The most amusing statement in this entire thread is that the perpetrators of September 11th have somehow helped "cut off the hand of aggression" of the West. I must have missed that part when I was reading reports about the *hundreds of thousands* of innocent people dying, suffering terrible injuries in Afghanistan and Iraq, children being blown up, missing arms and legs and eyes when metal fell from the sky. I must have overlooked that considering that Bush has vowed an unceasing war on terror that will undoubtedly target countless more innocent Muslims and make them suffer. Not to mention what the "nineteen brave brothers" did for the homegrown Muslim community in the US. Increased hostily towards Islam in the largely clueless American public, who know nothing more than that they need to support their sons and brothers marching through the desert in the name of freedom and democracy. Detainees, the freezing of charities that went to Muslims in need, sisters and brothers being harassed, beaten up, called disgusting names. Masha'Allah. 9/11 didn't help 'cut the hand of aggression' but simply made it into a fist, and Muslims the world over are getting pounded. We as an ummah have *many* legitimate grievances but we cannot respond to evil with more evil. In so doing we become no different than those we claim to be fighting against and we work to harm ourselves. I pray that every Muslim who reads this thread turns to Allah afterwards and asks Him to guide this blind and bitter community that has lost sight of its purpose, vision and accountability before Him, and asks that He grants us His rahma because we are certainly in dire need of it. this is my last post in the ucc for a while. wasalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah |
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| se7en |
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| Nomi |
| 09/20/03 at 02:16:54 |
| [slm] [quote author=se7en link=board=ummah;num=1063566714;start=0#11 date=09/20/03 at 00:18:21] Not to mention what the "nineteen brave brothers" did for the homegrown Muslim community in the US....[/quote] If they did it then they weren't brave but they didn't do it in the first place! and i know that ppl will only believe me if i announce it repeatedly through CNN, BBC or FOX !! (ppl easily buy things, remember WMD!? iraq !?) I say Israel did it! but again i dont own any famous news channel! [quote author=panjul link=board=ummah;num=1063566714;start=0#9 date=09/17/03 at 20:15:06] All in favor of banning bin laden/al-qaida topic pls raise your hand. [/quote] [i]Nomi raises his e-hand.... [/i]\|/ [i]<= but that doesn't mean that i'm an alien :)[/i] [slm] |
| 09/20/03 at 02:21:43 |
| Nomi |
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