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Nomi
09/24/03 at 02:08:00
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waiting to be laughed at
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09/24/03 at 02:34:04
Nomi
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
Twilight
09/24/03 at 09:54:27
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[wlm]
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09/24/03 at 09:55:20
Twilight
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
Twilight
09/24/03 at 09:57:23
PS only you know how much of an IT Guru u r  :D
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
Nomi
09/28/03 at 13:38:28
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Come on people, arn't there any 'creative cancerians' among you :P . I'll reply to sis Twilight's post tomorrow inshaAllah.

That last post was quite stupid so i've taken that off

wassalam
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
momineqbal
09/28/03 at 16:16:22
[slm],

I would say, more muslims should at least think about this. Br. Nomi, what I would suggest to you is to sit down one night away from internet and this board and write down your business idea in no less or more than five pages. What you want to do, why do you think there is a potential for your idea to be successful, where would you get the money, are there people who will partner with and that you can trust in terms of their ability etc. etc. If you can't write five pages of coherent thought (type written, so no big letters!!!) on your idea then you need to wait and think more and learn more from other people  ;-) . May Allah guide you towards whats best.

Wassalam
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
Nomi
09/29/03 at 10:06:12
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Thanks for the input bro Eqbal. Once a couple of coleagues and i did come up with a feasibility report, it was proly 5+ pages but at that time the whole IT was hit by recession. Then we got stable jobs alhamdulillah and ............. ::) I admit, its risky stuff.

1.Can you afford to work for no profit for the first 6 months.
That was the main question when we were at it but once you get used to salary it becomes really hard to simply pack up and off to start a business.

[quote]as you say u have left footprints in the 2 companies you have worked for so far so i would guess that should the worst happen you would still have a lot of experience which would help you to get a new job.
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Yes inshaAllah, thats one encouraging factor.

Now as info i'll give you ppl an idea about IT PK, dont worry it'll be short :)

Starting from the organizations where i've worked.

1] CresSoft: There ppl worked on projects from 'Time Warner'; 'North American Airlines' and among many others there was a big achievement of completing e-chemicals/Aspen Marketplace project for a US based chemical supply chain management company. CresSoft nowadays is in big crisis. Its really a loss coz there are so many success stories associated with this company which couple of years back was top ranking company of pakistan

2] Innovative You ppl might have heard of APS? (American payment systems?) The software product that runs on their computers and POS machine is built by 'Innovative computers'. They arn't that good at processes but the 'team players' are delivering and they mashaAllah are going gr8 guns.

Owner of this company is an EE, first off he started imports of APC UPS in Pakistan then moved ahead to build a Software House, a genius mashaAllah. 70& revinew is still from UPS imports which is providing backbone/Support for the Software Business.



Other companies that i know of are working on projects for Mercedes Benz, Newyork Times and other such names. Then there also those companies which are working on multimedia productions and some still on webpages!

One thing you ppl must have noticed is that there is not much work being done on local projects as the local market isn't that paying. Hence people work mostly in offshore/onshore mode.
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In my first post what i was trying to get at by telling u ppl about those companies which started there in the US was, ppl have taken the initiative at smaller scales and were successful.

[quote author=momineqbal link=board=media;num=1064380081;start=0#4 date=09/28/03 at 16:16:22]
I would say, more muslims should at least think about this.
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I agree.
09/29/03 at 11:38:38
Nomi
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
BroHanif
09/29/03 at 19:17:00
Salaams,
[quote]Have you ever thought about it or even tried it? It involves leaving your job! can you take that risk? or it just doesn't worth it coz things should be kept simple ?? [/quote]

Hmmm something I was thinking about pover here as well You know that long chat we had once... maybe just maybe we could hit something off here??? What do you say bro?
Of course sisters are invited to work with us as well arn't they? *smile*

No on a serious note I think its a great idea and I'd be more than willing to help you. IM or email me and I think I know a niche in one area.
You have my backing and my support, hey I'd even like to contribute so I too can get away from the rat race or maybe help a bro in something better.

Salaams,

Hanif
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
bhaloo
09/30/03 at 08:03:23
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There is risk involved definitely, and who's to say that it will become successful and I will make more then I'm making now.  The bulk of my experience has been in embedded system but lately I've been doing Visual Basic applications, heheheheh.  :)
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
Nomi
09/30/03 at 16:49:07
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--BroHanif
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Of course sisters are invited to work with us as well arn't they? *smile*
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In Software Business we can even get them operating from their homes so it's all fine with me :)

--bhaloo
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and who's to say that it will become successful and I will make more then I'm making now.  
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Well Arsahd bhai there is a general rule, those who are paying you x thousand bucks are most probably earing x*n thousand bucks from your work where n is a positive number :)

--BroHanif
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No on a serious note I think its a great idea and I'd be more than willing to help you. IM or email me and I think I know a niche in one area.
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OK. and if its about Software Outsourcing then i with the help of a local friend can even form a development team here, no one will be required to quit job. Worths a try and then we'll be millionaires in no time :P :P . well nothing is impossible for Allah! :)

--bhaloo
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The bulk of my experience has been in embedded system but lately I've been doing Visual Basic applications
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wow, that is quite a relief, no?

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09/30/03 at 16:51:25
Nomi
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
ascetic
09/30/03 at 17:21:38
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If you are serious about s/w outsourcing, then there is a very difficult question that you have to answer:

What does Pakistan have to offer that India does not already offer?

In fact, manpower-wise and infrastructure-wise, an American company would probably be better off investing in India. Another factor in getting VC is political stability and Pakistan loses some points there too (not making a judgment call .. just stating the facts).

This was the #1 question that a (Pakistani) friend of mine faced when trying to get an outsourcing venture going in Pakistan.

Personally, I think if you corner a niche market where India might not already have the first-mover advantage (can't think of any off-hand), then you might stand a chance.

Sorry .. don't wanna sound pessimistic, only realistic.
[wlm]
09/30/03 at 17:28:01
ascetic
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
Nomi
10/01/03 at 02:06:33
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Good point. Some companies ship code along their projects/products to cater this.

No matter what your origin is, i think more Muslims should think about it even if outsourcing isn't possible.

[slm] :)
Re: Now dont tell me that u 2 r a guru
Nomi
10/13/03 at 06:11:34
[slm] (got something to share :) )

A double E (Electrical Engineer) friend of mine was telling me that his friend living in Peshawar, Pakistan has made a small billboard out of LEDs and have programmed it in assembly (or C) language using a microcontroller. This guy rented out a place (pole) on a city square, contacted few companies, got sponsorship and is now running his own business by running animations/ads on his ad machine!

Good luck to him inshaAllah in getting more exposure and success.

My next door neighbour is a civil engineer, i sometimes fix his PC as a community service :P. Few weeks back he was sharing his life experiences with me.

Finished his engineering 12 years back and at that time civil engineers used to earn lavish salary but he was encouraged by his father to setup his own business which he did (manufacturing perfumes!), starting from quite low funds. Saw hard times but is now "very" successful mashAllah.

His concept is that when your children are old enough to work they can't replace you at your job and hence have to start it from zero but when you have your own business then your kids can handle it when they grow up and hence have to work less harder to earn their fixed rizq.

Well obviously not everyone can start one's own business but it sure worths a try and then one can even work less hours than 9-5 if the situation permits :)

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10/13/03 at 06:35:47
Nomi


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