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What if you break your fast?
eleanor
10/13/03 at 11:02:29
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I have a question about intentional fast breaking.

If you break your fast early because you are too hungry to carry on, then you must fast 2 consecutive months right? So are these two seperate months from Ramadan or does the remainder of Ramadan count for the start of the first month?

Secondly, if you are fasting voluntarily, like today for instance, and you get really hungry and break your fast intentionally, does the same thing apply as for a Fard fast? 2 months fasting? Or is there some other ruling here?
Is it enough to repent to Allah and seek forgiveness and strength to make it through the next fast or is there some special expetion to be done?

Third, when you feel really ill, how ill do you have to feel to be allowed to break your fast? Dizziness? Tiredness? Moodiness - ie snapping at everyone? What's the criteria here?

Fourth, when making up fasting days, how soon can you start after Ramadan and until when do they have to be made up?

Jazak Allah in advance
Re: What if you break your fast?
Tesseract
10/13/03 at 13:41:49
[wlm] wa Rahmatullah,

              InshaAllah, u should be able to find all ur answers here:

       [url]http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/pillars/fasting/tajuddin/fast_1.html[/url]

Wassalam.
Re: What if you break your fast?
sal
10/16/03 at 15:43:08
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[quote] I have a question about intentional fast breaking.  [/quote]

I think I can  help with  this questions  
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[quote]If you break your fast early because you are too hungry to carry on, then you must fast 2 consecutive months right? So are these two seperate months from Ramadan or does the remainder of Ramadan count for the start of the first month?  [/quote]

It  is  recommnded to  fast as soon as the  ramadan  is over unless for some health  reasons  that  makes  u  postpond  and  any way  you  can  fast  at  any  month  that you   find  is  conveneint  for  you , but  I  repeat  it  is recommended  as  soon as possible  if there  is no  any excuse  to delay .


[quote]Secondly, if you are fasting voluntarily, like today for instance, and you get really hungry and break your fast intentionally, does the same thing apply as for a Fard fast? 2 months fasting? Or is there some other ruling here?  
Is it enough to repent to Allah and seek forgiveness and strength to make it through the next fast or is there some special expetion to be done?[/quote]

No   you  can break  volunteer  fasting  and  you  don’t  have  to  redo  it  
and  yes after  you  have repented  inshallah the  past  mistakes are forgiven
[quote]Third, when you feel really ill, how ill do you have to feel to be allowed to break your fast? Dizziness? Tiredness? Moodiness - ie snapping at everyone? What's the criteria here? [/quote]

You should consult a doctor  if fasting  at that day  is against  your  health and  if the doctor  advises  you  that  is  dangerous for  your health you  can  break  it , and this is  legal excuse  but  u cant  break  it  just bz you  feel such weak ness  but  in  case you  are far from  doctor   and you  honestly  feel you are  in danger  you can break , and  this  is similar  to  the warrior  and  traveller  excuses ,


[quote]Fourth, when making up fasting days, how soon can you start after Ramadan and until when do they have to be made up? [/quote]

Right after ramadan  the  six  days of shawal  follows , this six  days are  not actually  compulsary  but  hardly recommended so  if  you  have the  intention  to  fast these six  days  , then  any  other  making  up can  be  at  any time  after  the end of  these   days  but  as soon as possible  

Inshallah we could share  the ajer ( reward) of  asking  and  the answering

wa ALLAH AL  MUWAFIGH



Re: What if you break your fast?
Maliha
10/16/03 at 18:21:06
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Where's this two month idea coming from? From my understanding if you break fast intentionally with no good reason, there's a hadith that actually says even if you fasted 100,000 days or so you'll never be able to repay it.
This is just showing the gravity of breaking fast with no good reason.

As far as health, Allahu A'alam, we all know what being ill is, if you are really sick that's beyond being moody isn't it? I think you just gotta know your body, and what it can handle..but not to fast cuz you are hungry? that's the whole point of it yeah? It's to restrain oneself from desires and fight against pangs of hunger?

The last thing is for voluntary fasting, its probably the best time to train oneself in the skill of holding oneself back. You don't have to pay it back if you break a voluntary fast....but it could be a good way to train yourself if you have problems fasting during Ramadhan. Especially now, in the month of Shaban, cuz you get extra reward for following an established sunnah of the Rasul [saw], and literally prepare for Ramadhan.

An excuse is generally given to travellers, preganant women, sick, children, and eldery...but for an able bodied person, who is healthy generally, we can't make unnecessary excuses for ourselves (And Allah knows Best).

Again, double check with an imam...the above is entirely what i know and what has been drilled to me growing up. Make lotsa duahs and don't even give yourself an option to break fast...cuz its really not.

Sis in Struggle, :-)
[wlm]
Re: What if you break your fast?
Ruh
10/16/03 at 23:14:30
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I am also wondering with Sis Eleanor about what constitutes being "sick" and breaking ones fast?  For example, if one feels extremely jittery, as though one will pass out, could one break the fast?  If an individual broke the fast for feeling sick,would they have to fast for the 2months?  If they feel sick such as that, wouldnt it be difficult for them to fast for further 2 months?  

Just some questions I was seeking some clarification on!  Thanks!
wassalam
Re: What if you break your fast?
sal
10/18/03 at 17:25:13
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[quote] Where's this two month idea coming from? From my understanding if you break fast intentionally with no good reason, there's a hadith that actually says even if you fasted 100,000 days or so you'll never be able to repay it.
This is just showing the gravity of breaking fast with no good reason.
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NUR
these  2 months are  the religion  regulation  as  penalty  to who    breaks  the fast  intentionaly   and  or  doesnt  fast  and  this  is  mentioned  in the  FIGH.i I dont  think  any  body  dares  to  break  the  fast  on  purpose  whilst  he/she  knows  continious  months are waiting  to  repair  that  single  day  missed  up ,so what  actually  happens  is,  that  when  there  is no  reasonable excuse  ,this is  how  the person  has  to  do as a  penalty , so  the  intention  of  breaking  comes  suddenly  but  with  no  perimted  excuse  but  the  religion  has  a  regulation  to  be  applied  on every kind  of  mistakes  . and  this is why .

but  any way   ALLAH  forgives   any  kind  of sin  except  the SHIRK( not  believing  in  him or  worshiping  another  things as  GOD)
just  once  the  heart  decides to repent  all  the  past  sins  are  cleared off

if we  take  it  this  way  that  any  day we miss up  cant  be  recovered  even  if we  fast  what  ever  times  , this  discourage  the  need  to  fast  and repent  and  this is the  dangerous  point we  need  no to  reach .
what ever  happens ,what  ever we  have done  as  soon as we  strongly and  honestly  plan  to  straighten   ourselves  we  are  new  born  from  that  day  on
wa  ALLAH AILAM
;-)



Re: What if you break your fast?
humble_muslim
10/20/03 at 13:51:13
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I thought the two month penalty was only for breaking the fast by sex, not by eating or drinking.  Allahu Alam.
NS
Re: What if you break your fast?
humble_muslim
10/20/03 at 13:54:03
AA

Yes, this is confirmed on the site mentiond above :

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/pillars/fasting/tajuddin/fast_59.html
NS
Re: What if you break your fast?
tq
10/20/03 at 15:10:11
Assalamo elikuim


Also does anyone knows whether having small surgery(biopsy) can break the fast ? Its just going to be local anesthesia


Wasalam
tq


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