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Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mufti
BroHanif
10/15/03 at 14:03:56
Sadly, it only happens in the Islamic Countries, such suppression of people will only blow up in the face of the authorities.  Sigh.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3194500.stm

Mass arrests follow Saudi rally

The protesters fled when the police moved in to disperse them
Authorities in Saudi Arabia authorities have arrested more than 150 people for staging a demonstration calling for political reform in the capital Riyadh.
Hundreds of people, the majority of them young men and women, joined the protest on Tuesday which took place close to where the Saudi Government was hosting its first human rights conference.

Reports said the police fired shots into the air to disperse the crowd, who were led by bearded men chanting "God is great".

The BBC's Middle East analyst, Roger Hardy, who is in Riyadh, says that such public protests are a rarity in the conservative kingdom, where opposition of any kind is banned.

He says the demonstration has greatly shaken the establishment.

The government was quick to dismiss the impact of the protest.

"What happened was just a limited gathering in al-Olaya street. They are a small bunch ... this won't happen again," the country's Interior Minister Prince Nayef bin Abdul Aziz said, according to the official Saudi Press Agency



Grand Mufti Abdul-Aziz bin Abdullah Al al-Sheik  

But the organisers from the UK-based Movement for Islamic Reform in Arabia (MIRA) - say that even more citizens had been keen to join the demonstration.

"If the peaceful protest which we called for was not savagely suppressed, tens of thousands of people would have participated," MIRA spokesman Saad Faqih said.

Saudi Arabia's highest religious authority the Grand Mufti Abdul-Aziz bin Abdullah Al al-Sheik condemned the incident saying "demonstrations are the behaviour of non-Muslims".

"Their demands must be made through proper ways," he warned.




The demonstrators chose one of the most prominent skyscrapers in Riyadh - the Kingdom Centre - as the site of their protest.


Pressure is great on the Gulf monarchy to reform

And the high profile inaugural human rights conference - which opened on Monday and coincided with an announcement by the Saudi authorities that they would hold the first council elections.

The desert kingdom has not had political elections at any level since its creation in 1932.

Although human rights groups have welcomed such reforms, they say that in practice the Saudi legal system is still deeply flawed.

New York-based group Human Rights Watch says thousands of people are still being held without trial, there is no free press and women are forbidden to drive.

But BBC correspondent Frank Gardner says optimists have pointed out there is some progress.

Even a few years ago, simply holding a human rights conference inside the country would have been unthinkable, our correspondent says

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Re: Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mu
panjul
10/15/03 at 16:03:53
[slm]

What can a Muslim do to be heard?

1. Demonstrate?
2. Write Letters?
3. Make a phone Call?
3. Send an email?
4. Pray?
5. Vote?
6. Blow up monarchs, so then they can vote?
7. Pick up swords and have hand to hand combat?
8. Blow up something/somebody?
9. Curse the bad Muslims?
10. Curse the Non-Muslims?
11. All of the above?
10/15/03 at 16:05:04
panjul
Re: Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mu
jaihoon
10/16/03 at 00:01:08
:(

Thank you O people of west!

You are seas apart from our lands. Yet your hearts burn for our own brother's pitiful plight.

We live just nearby, yet we can only in silence sigh!

Thank you for your protests on your streets, faithfully expressing your solidarity for our suffering and killing... while we cowardly sit at homes meditating in front of the Idiot Box.

Thank you O people of west!

The Grand Pope in the church speaks his heart out while the mulla in the masjid keeps his lips sealed with the official, but beneficial, tape.

The life of freedom and liberty were the ideals fostered by our own deen. That Peaceful Warrior came with the message of 'The Peace', to eliminate man's soul and body from the bondage of  man. But where remains such free air to breathe on the lands he walked...

Thank you O people of west!



Re: Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mu
Caraj
10/16/03 at 00:31:09
[quote author=panjul link=board=ummah;num=1066237436;start=0#1 date=10/15/03 at 16:03:53] [slm]

What can a Muslim do to be heard?

1. Demonstrate?
2. Write Letters?
3. Make a phone Call?
3. Send an email?
4. Pray?
5. Vote?
[/quote]

Sounds like a great start    :)


[quote author=panjul link=board=ummah;num=1066237436;start=0#1 date=10/15/03 at 16:03:53] [slm]

6. Blow up monarchs, so then they can vote?
7. Pick up swords and have hand to hand combat?
8. Blow up something/somebody?
9. Curse the bad Muslims?
10. Curse the Non-Muslims?
11. All of the above?[/quote]

This sounds awful and sad   :o    :'(    :(
Re: Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mu
lucid9
10/16/03 at 04:15:00
[quote author=panjul link=board=ummah;num=1066237436;start=0#1 date=10/15/03 at 16:03:53]
6. Blow up monarchs, so then they can vote?
7. Pick up swords and have hand to hand combat?
8. Blow up something/somebody?
9. Curse the bad Muslims?
10. Curse the Non-Muslims?
11. All of the above?[/quote]

Since i live in britain: isn't that what the founding fathers did to the ancestors of my british pals?   Just replace bad-muslims and non-muslims with red coats and/or british -- and you have the formula for the American revolution....   :o
10/16/03 at 06:24:30
lucid9
Re: Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mu
Halima
10/16/03 at 04:46:39
[quote]Saudi Arabia's highest religious authority the Grand Mufti Abdul-Aziz bin Abdullah Al al-Sheik condemned the incident saying "demonstrations are the behaviour of non-Muslims".  

"Their demands must be made through proper ways," he warned.
[/quote]

BroHanif, is this guy for real?  This Grand Mufti dumbfounds simple people like me!  Grand Mufti! Oh my!

Halima
Re: Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mu
sofia
10/16/03 at 10:23:18
[slm]

Not to get off course, but peaceful demonstrations against just about [i]any[/i] current/recent government have been "suppressed" in one way or another.

India
Switzerland
Burma
Spain
Congo
China
Korea
Thailand
Venezuela
Argentina
Russia
Israel
Canada
UK
US (hundreds of anti-war demonstrators were arrested in San Fransisco, CA in March 2003)
etc etc etc.
in addition to Muslim countries.


[i]Love of leadership is blinding.[/i]

Ka'b ibn Maalik al-Ansaaree (r) said that the Prophet (S) said: ""Two hungry wolves sent in the midst of a flock of sheep are no more destructive to them than a man's greed for wealth and fame is to his deen.'' (Ahmad, Tirmidhee. Riyaadh-us-Saaliheen)
10/16/03 at 10:28:15
sofia
Re: Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mu
ltcorpest2
10/16/03 at 10:50:53
i thought that san fransisco secedad from the USA a long time ago,  maybe it was just wishful thinking.
Re: Demos are the behaviour of non-Muslims, Top Mu
Nabila
10/16/03 at 12:15:32
[slm]

Unfortunatly, the religious figures are under as much restraint as anyone else in Saudi. I heard from my dad that the Saudi government at one point even jailed frail and blind Sheikh Bin Baz  for speaking out about the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia.

Being forced to make these statements only compromises their credibility.

[i]"What happened was just a limited gathering in al-Olaya street. They are a small bunch ... this won't happen again," [/i]

Sounds quite ominous.

ma asalaamah and take care


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