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princess
10/21/03 at 17:24:34
as'salaamualaikum ;D is there any particular reason why people trade spots (when in jama) after they pray? i've asked around and have been told it's because you get reward for all the spots you've prayed in.  can anyone back this up?  or shed some light otherwise?  thanks. :)

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timbuktu
10/21/03 at 21:19:53
[slm] it is the Sunnah of the prophet [saw]

i need more then that..
princess
10/21/03 at 22:58:25
as'salaamualaikum ;D do you have someting to back that up?

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faisalsb
10/23/03 at 03:56:35
[slm] Well that's a good question although I don't have an exact answer but what I have heard about this practice is that it was introduced in the era of Hazrat Umar (rau). Same like praying tarawi sunnah prayer in congregation,  although it was not the normal practice while Holy Prophet  [saw] was alive. According to my knowledge the reason behind changing the spots is to differentiate between fard and sunnah prayers. If the person keep on praying fard and sunnah on the same place then it can give understanding as if sunnah prayer is part of fard prayer. Walla hu alam .......
10/23/03 at 03:57:30
faisalsb

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princess
10/23/03 at 11:16:29
wa alaikumas'salaam warahmatullah ;D sad how so many people do this, but no one knows why. :(  thank you faisal for at least giving your 2 cents. :)

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theOriginal
10/23/03 at 13:21:28
[slm] Wasn't this discussed before?  I thought I learned it off here.... People switch spots because on the Day of Judgement every piece of land you have prayed on will .... err... ascertain this fact.   Wasalaam.

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humble_muslim
10/23/03 at 13:48:13
AA There is definetly a hadith about this, though I don't know how authentic it is.  The wording is soemthing like "you should either say something or move your spot after saying salam from the fard and starting another salat".

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deenb4dunya
10/23/03 at 16:29:37
Assalamu Alaikum, I think the hadith that encourages people to switch places after salaah basicly states that every space on earth on which we perform sujood will bear witness for us on the day of judgement... hence make sujood in as m,any places as possible. Will try to find the hadith inshaaAllaah. WAllaahu A'lam. Wassalamu Alaikum, Deen :-)

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bhaloo
10/23/03 at 20:49:39
[slm] [quote author=JustOne link=board=madrasa;num=1066767874;start=0#5 date=10/23/03 at 13:21:28] Wasn't this discussed before? [/quote] Yes it was, and it would be very easy for any of us to find if only the search feature on the board worked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  *sigh*

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momineqbal
10/24/03 at 01:00:40
[slm], I also have heard from a  number of Imams that there is something to the effect that between a fard and the sunnah salat that follows it, a person should either talk to someone or change his place, and that is the main reason I try to do it.

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princess
10/24/03 at 23:55:46
as'salaamualaikum ;D thanks everyone for the reply. :)  i also had another question.  after finishing prayer, i always hear the imam say certain du'a's - but i never actually 'hear' it.  i'm lost as far as what he's actually saying.  and no one around me seems to know either. ::)  if anyone knows what's read - or can link me - i'd appreciate it. :-X

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timbuktu
10/25/03 at 00:38:32
[slm] here are some duas that are almost universally said after fard prayers: 1). Allahu Akbar (once, aloud) 2). astaghfirulillah (thrice) 3). Allahumma antas-Salam wa minkas-Salam, tabarata yaa Zaljalali  wal Ikram 4). Rabbi a`inni `ala zikrika wa shukrika wa husni ibadatik 5). la ilaha illalhu wahdahu la sharika lahu, lahul mulku wa lahul hamd, wa  huwa `ala kulli sheyin Qadeer; Allahumma la mani`a lima a`ataeta, wa la m`utia lima man`ata, wa la yanfa`u zal jaddey minkajjad where i have posted an `, it indicates the letter "ain' i will see if i can find the arabic & there are many more sunnah duas. I will see if i can remember or find a link.
10/26/03 at 08:49:50
timbuktu

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princess
10/27/03 at 15:27:34
as'salaamualaikum ;D timbuktu:  thank you very much. :)  if you don't mind, can you also post the translations of these?  thank you. :) a couple of (more) questions: (1) how many ways are there pray witr?  for example (assuming you are reading 3 rakahs): (a) after the second rakah, instead of staying seated and reciting the tashahud, you get up.  in the third rakah you stay seated and recite the tashahud. (b) staying seated after the second rakah, reciting tashahud . . . (like the three fard in maghrib) method (b) is practiced more often (from what i've seen).  but i've also read that your witr should not be like your maghrib prayer.  which would make method (a) the way to go.  but i've always seen/been taught method (b).   (2) after four rakahs of taraweeh, some men in the crowd were chanting something - i could not make it out.  anyone heard of something like this?  and perhaps can (1) shed some light on it, and (2) tell me what they are saying.

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sofia
10/27/03 at 17:15:06
[slm] I learned a lot about witr and taraweeh/tahajjud, and prayer in general, from these two books: 1) “The Prophet's Prayer Described” by Sheikh Muhammad Naasir-ud Deen al-Albanee. 2) "Qiyaam and Taraweeh" also by Al-Albanee. The first one can be downloaded online (like at www.islamworld.net). I've been searching high and low for the second one (if it is online, someone pls let me know). I'd highly recommend buying both. :) Also check the Ramadhaan folder for an excerpt from Qiyaam Ramadaan by al-Albanee. Includes a brief explanation of the recommended witr methods.

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timbuktu
10/27/03 at 20:40:45
[slm] sister here is one of the authentic books on prayers, freely downloadable : http://free.freespeech.org/sultan/hisnalmuslim.pdf it is in pdf format. you need acrobat reader to read it. The sultan. org is a very good site for free downloadable authentinc material, & for addresses of free books in print. Here is the link: http://www.sultan.org/books/ The meanings of these du`as: 1). Allahu Akbar (once, aloud) ALLAH is Great (or Greatest) 2). astaghfirulillah (thrice) I ask Allah for forgiveness 3). Allahumma antas-Salam wa minkas-Salam, tabarata yaa Zaljalali  wal Ikram O our Allah, you are "As-Salam", and from You is all Peace, blessed are YOU, O Possessor of Majesty and Honor 4). Rabbi a`inni `ala zikrika wa shukrika wa husni ibadatik (in Hisnulmuslim, the first word is Allahumma, nor "Rabbi", & the meanings are): O Allah, help me to remember YOU, to thank YOU, and to worship YOU in the best of manner. 5). la ilaha illalhu wahdahu la sharika lahu, lahul mulku wa lahul hamd, wa  huwa `ala kulli sheyin Qadeer; Allahumma la mani`a lima a`ataeta, wa la m`utia lima man`ata, wa la yanfa`u zal jaddey minkajjad I bear witness that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, alone without partner, and that Muhammad is his slave and messenger. O our Allah, no one can stop what YOU (decide to) give, and no one can give what YOU hold off. ---- The meanings & many duas are available in the book HisnulMuslim above. I have been unable to save or export this in word format, hence i could not copy the duas in arabic. regarding witr, i say only one witr, & since witr means "one", it seems most appropriate. When you are saying three raka`a, the more correct form is (a), as you have indicated. method (b) is followed by the Hanafi school of thought. There is no Hadeeth to support it, as far as i have read from scholars. there is a third method (c), followed by the Shafi`ee, i think:   complete the 2 rak`aa as you would any other two nawafil, with salaam at the end. Then get up & say the last witr. The niyyah when beginning these three rak`a should be that of witr. The reason you find these differences is because of regional fiqh preferences. Followers of a particular fiqh are in majority at a mosque, & that manner of praying witr is followed. but as i have indicated above, & as you have also written, method (a) is preferable. as for chanting something after every four taraweeh, it is a bid`aa. wallahu alam
11/10/03 at 01:37:59
timbuktu

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superFOB
10/28/03 at 01:29:50
[slm] [quote author=timbuktu link=board=madrasa;num=1066767874;start=0#14 date=10/27/03 at 20:40:45]method (b) is followed by the Hanafi school of thought. There is no Hadeeth to support it, as far as i have read from scholars.[/quote] Well there are ahadith to support the hanafi position: [url]http://www.ummah.net/Al_adaab/salaah.html#5.6[/url] There is a wide spectrum of opinion on how to pray witr, even among the ghair muqallids, which I have experienced personally (during ramadan). Thick as I am,  I take the easy way out by sticking to the hanafi position. [quote author=timbuktu link=board=madrasa;num=1066767874;start=0#14 date=10/27/03 at 20:40:45]as for chanting something after every four taraweeh, it is a bid`aa.[/quote] It is always better to engage in zikr during the pause. Some people recite a specific dua (nothing wrong with the dua itself), but it should not be insisted upon as it is not from sunnah. []  :)
10/28/03 at 01:43:06
superFOB

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Nomi
10/28/03 at 02:42:33
[slm] Before i add something lemme tell you that my bestestest friend is a gaer-muqallid. There were times when i used to eat more at his place than mine and back in days we both claimed to be the leaders of the same ring :P but i normally had to hush up after a *friendly* punch from him which btw used to trouble/pain me for weeks at times :P. Hes now in UAE. Why am i telling you about him? well alhamdulillah we respected whatever we believed in when it comes to religious practices, used to give in when the other one was right. MashaAllah he now sounds like a fiqh-believing gaer muqallid.. (did that make sense? it does to me :) ) [quote author=timbuktu link=board=madrasa;num=1066767874;start=0#14 date=10/27/03 at 20:40:45] Method (b) is followed by the Hanafi school of thought. There is no Hadeeth to support it, as far as i have read from scholars. The reason you find these differences is because of regional fiqh preferences. Followers of a particular fiqh are in majority at a mosque.[/quote] Coming back to the point, bro timbuktu, we say takbeer before started prayer right? but the hadith says "utter the greatness of Allah awj before starting your prayer" right? so one can always utter "Allahu Azeem" or any other arabic word describing might of Allah awj, then why do you utter "Allahu Akbar" specifically ?? Actually its the sunnah of the Prophet [saw] from where we got the specific word "Allahu Akbar". Ofcouse we all believe that Islam = (Qur'an + Hadith + Sunnah), Hadith and Sunnah explain the Qur'an to us, if we take an ayah of the Noble Qur'an without considering its context then there are chances that we'll do things the wrong way!! for example, the prohibition of alcohol took 3 ayahs at different instances. The first ayah of this series says that alcohol has harms and benefits and finally in the third ayah it was totally forbidden. Can some alcoholic Muslim be right if he reads the first ayah of the series and says "see alcohol has both harms and *benefits* but *this* ayah does'nt say that its prohibited!!"... obviously hes wrong there and please take it just as an example as nothing else was intended there. In the same way *sometimes* reading a hadith without the context and assistance of sunnah doesn't give the whole picture ("Allahu Akbar" for starting the salah is one example with many others). You said the hadith doesn't support Method B of offering the witr but (B) is the valid way according to the sunnah of Prophet [saw]. Furthermore we respect and take the words of renowned scholars of the day (Hamza Yusuf, Muhammad Al-Shareef etc) which is all good but a hadith talks about the fact that the time of Prophet [saw] was the best time of deen then the time of sahabah, then tabieen , taba'tabieen and so on. Now the works of fiqah are from scholars of those times of glory and they (Imam-a-azam Abu Hanifa; Imam Malik; Imam Shafi'ee and the gr8 Imam Ahmad bin Hambal) are the scholars who according to that hadith i talked about were the people from "better" times (of deen). So if we follow the words of todays gr8 scholars (which we should) then we must also follow the fiqah as well, makes sense, no? [slm] Your brother. PS: sis Sarah (if thats what your name is), me say go for Method B for witr or ask your local imam :)... oh and that thingie about making witr different from magrib salah.... we dont recite dua-a-qanoot in magrib salah, or do we? :)
10/28/03 at 04:24:24
Nomi

Re: praying
se7en
11/03/03 at 23:52:03
as salaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah, I've been trying to find a hadeeth online in relation to moving to a different spot for the sunnah salah, but I have not come across one yet.  the closest I have found is a text from Fiqh as-Sunnah.. check out the first hadeeth on this page:  http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/fiqh/2c.htm also, for some more info on ways to perform witr, you can check out this response to a question regarding witr written by Sh. Ahmed Kutty: http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=91058 I hope this is of help, insha'Allah. :) take care wasalaamu alaykum wa rahmatullah :-)

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moonie
11/04/03 at 17:56:52
[slm] i am not potive but there is this one sahaba or prophet that has made sechda on every peace of land in the world. i am not sure about that but thats what i was told by my Mufti [wlm]

Re: praying
Abdussamed
11/05/03 at 23:26:22
[quote author=JustOne link=board=madrasa;num=1066767874;start=0#5 date=10/23/03 at 13:21:28] [slm] Wasn't this discussed before?  I thought I learned it off here.... People switch spots because on the Day of Judgement every piece of land you have prayed on will .... err... ascertain this fact.   Wasalaam.[/quote] [slm] Mine is  same like JustOne's "The Place you have prayed, will be shahed (Witness) for you at Judgemend Day. That is what I heard. Allah swt Alone know  the best... []
11/05/03 at 23:27:59
Abdussamed

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SA84
11/08/03 at 19:52:38
[slm] just curious, brother nomi, what does it mean to be a "gaer-muqallid"? [wlm]

Re: praying
timbuktu
11/08/03 at 20:44:08
[slm] if brother Nomi will let me explain: among the Sunnis there are five surviving madhabs or fiqh or schools of jurisprudence. Four of these are based on the four great Imams: abu Hanifa, Malik, Shafi`ee, Ahmad ibn-e Hanbal. The followers of the respective fiqh are called Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi`ee, Hanbali. The fifth one goes back to the times of the prophet [saw], when Sahaba heard from another Sahabi what the prophet has said or commanded, & acted accordingly. In the times of Sahaba (Companions), Tabi`een (Followers), & others who followed them, this was a determining factor, & recourse was had to other means of determining rulings only when the Quran & Sunnah were silent on an issue. The above imams also had the same attitude, & said something like "if you find Rasulullah's Hadith which contradicts my ruling, throw my ruling overboard, & accept the prophet's saying". Those who do not follow any particular imam, & follow the Hadith, are called variously: gaer-muqallid, salafi, ahl-e-Hadith. The term ahl-e-Hadith was also used by the Sahabi abu Saeed Khudri (ra), who said "we are ahl-e-Hadith." gaer = not, outside of, muqallid = follower of.    (This comes from taqleed, meaning to follow)
11/10/03 at 01:29:17
timbuktu

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SA84
11/09/03 at 08:20:28
[slm] jazakallah brother timbuktu for that well written explanation  :) i especially like ur quote about how the imams said that if you see a hadith, then take out their ruling. and i think if a Muslim is following what Allah sent down: Quran and Sunnah, then how can you ever go wrong no matter what Imam ure following, especially if you act upon what the imams said of taking out their ruling if you see another hadith opposed to it? and i agree that the dhikr between the four taraweehs is a bid'ah. mainly because there is nothing to support that. a lot of people who do acts which are bidah have a very sincere intention of doing good, they dont think that it is wrong & that's why its so hard to stop people from doing bid'ah cause then they ask questions like "Well what's wrong with reading the Quran?" And when you try to tell them that it's not the way the Prophet  [saw] read it and that's why its bid'ah, they dont understand. "The best of the speech is embodied in the holy Book of Allah, and the best of the guidance is the guidance given by Muhammad (peace be upon him). And the most evil of affairs are their innovations; and every innovation is an error and every error is leading to the Hell-fire." --Doomsday, Potents & Prophecies [wlm]

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superFOB
11/09/03 at 11:06:28
[slm] [color=black]Subhanallah, why this wait-for-the-gullible-to-swallow-the-bait tactic?  I wish that the issue of taqlid was that cut and dried, despite your sarcasm.  In deference to the holy month of Ramadan, let us all follow the board rules in letter and in spirit. [quote author=SA84 link=board=madrasa;num=1066767874;start=20#22 date=11/09/03 at 08:20:28]i agree that the dhikr between the four taraweehs is a bid'ah. mainly because there is nothing to support that.[/quote] I still do not see any reason why NOT to engage in zikr while sitting and doing nothing else. Just for the sake of completeness here is a nice article on innovations in deen: http://www.themodernreligion.com/misc/hh/bida-newthing.html [/color]
11/09/03 at 11:08:12
superFOB

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SA84
11/09/03 at 18:56:55
asalam u alaikum i read that there is no such thing as a "good bida'h" http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=864&dgn=4 Maybe you can send the article below to the author of the article that you posted and ask the author why this Sheikh is answering in a different way on the same topic... Question : As Salaam Alaikum Wa Rahmat Allah wa Barakatu I have a question in the area of what is and isn't Bidaa. Over and over again I hear people terming certain actions as Bidaa. I am however confused. Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't there a hadith by Prophet Muhammed (SAW) that says that anyone who introduces a new helpful hadith will be rewarded. If this is true, then why are all new inovations frowned upon. Jazak Allah Khul Khayer. Answer : Praise be to Allaah. Firstly, we should know what "bid'ah" means according to Islamic teaching. It is defined as: any invented way in religion that is aimed at worshipping or drawing closer to Allaah. This means anything that is not referred to specifically in Sharee'ah, and for which there is no evidence (daleel) in the Qur'aan or Sunnah, and which was not known at the time of the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and his Companions. At the same time, it is quite obvious that this definition of religious inventions or innovations, which are condemned, does not include worldly inventions [such as cars and washing machines, etc. - Translator]. If your confusion has to do with an apparent contradiction between the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah and the hadeeth narrated by Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, then let us examine these two reports and find out what they mean: Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah al-Bajali (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing and is followed by others, will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their reward in any way. Whoever starts a bad thing and is followed by others, will bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting from their burden in any way.'" (Reported by al-Tirmidhi, no. 2675. He said, This is a saheeh hasan hadeeth) There is a story behind this hadeeth, which will explain what "whoever starts a good thing" means. Imaam Muslim reported this story from Jareer ibn 'Abdullaah, who also narrated the hadeeth itself. He said: "Some people from the Bedouin came to the Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), wearing woollen garments. He saw that they were in bad shape and in desperate need, so he urged the people to give them charity. They people were very slow to respond, and it could be seen in his face (that he was upset). Then a man of the Ansaar brought a package of silver, then another came, and another and another, and his face was filled with joy. The Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts a bad thing in Islam, and others do likewise after him, there will be written for him a burden of sin like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden.'" (Reported by Muslim, no. 1017) Further explanation may be found in a report recorded by al-Nisaa'i, also from Jareer ibn 'Abdullah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "We were with the Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) early one day, when some people who were almost naked (not dressed properly) and barefoot, with their swords by their sides, came to him. Most, if not all of them, were of (the tribe of) Mudar. The Messenger's face changed when he saw how poor they were (i.e., he became upset). He went into (his house), then he came out and ordered Bilaal to give the call to prayer. He led the people in prayer, then he addressed them, saying: 'O people, "be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person, and from him He created his wife, and from them both he created many men and women, and fear Allaah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship)" [al-Nisaa' 4:1]. "Fear Allaah, and keep your duty to Him. And let every person look to what he has sent forth for the morrow…" [al-Hashr 59:18]. Let a man give charity from his dinars, his dirhams, his clothing, his wheat or his dates - even if it is only half a date.' A man from the Ansaar brought a package which he could hardly carry in his hand, then another and another came, until there were two piles, of food and clothing, and I saw the face of the Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) beaming with joy. The Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts a good thing in Islam will have his own reward and a reward equal to that of those who follow him, without it detracting in the least from their reward, and whoever starts a bad thing in Islam will have to bear the burden of his own sin and a burden equal to that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Mujtaba: Kitaab al-Zakaat, Bab al-Tahreed 'ala al-Sadaqah). From the context of the story, it is clear that what is meant by the words "whoever starts a good thing (sunnah hasanah) in Islam" means: Whoever revives a part of the Sunnah of the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), or teaches it to others, or commands others to follow it, or acts according to it so that others see him or hear about it and follow his example. This is also indicated by the hadeeth narrated by Abu Hurayrah, may Allaah be pleased with him, who said: "A man came to the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), and he urged the people to give him charity. A man said: 'I have such-and-such,' and there was no person left in the gathering who did not give something in charity to him, whether it was a large amount or a little. The Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever starts something good, and others follow his lead, will have a complete reward and a reward like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their reward. Whoever starts something bad, and others follow his lead, will bear a complete burden of sin, and a burden like that of those who followed him, without it detracting in the least from their burden. (Reported by Ibn Maaajah in al-Sunan, no. 204) It should be clear from the above, with no room for doubt, that the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was not allowing innovation in matters of deen (religion), nor was he opening the door to what some people call "bid'ah hasanah," for the following reasons: The Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated repeatedly that: "Every newly-invented thing is a bid'ah (innovation), every bid'ah is a going astray, and every going astray will be in the Fire." (Reported by al-Nisaa'i in al-Sunan, Salaat al-'Eedayn, Baab kayfa al-Khutbah). Reports with the same meaning were narrated via Jaabir (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ahmad, via al-'Irbaad ibn Saariyah by Abu Dawud and via Ibn Mas'ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) by Ibn Maajah. The Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to say, when beginning a khutbah (sermon): "… The best of speech is the Book of Allaah and the best of guidance is the guidance of Muhammad. The worst of things are those which are newly-invented, and every innovation is a going astray…" (reported by Muslim, no. 867) If every bid'ah is a going astray, how can some people then say that there is such a thing in Islam as "bid'ah hasanah"? By Allaah, this is an obvious contradiction of the statement and warning of the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). The Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stated that whoever innovates something new in the deen (religion) will have his deed rejected, and Allaah will not accept it, as is stated in the hadeeth narrated by 'Aa'ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), who said: "The Messenger of Allaah  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: 'Whoever innovates something in this matter of ours that is not a part of it will have it rejected.'" (Reported by al-Bukhaari, Fath al-Baari, no. 2697). How can anybody then say that bid'ah is acceptable and it is permitted to follow it? When a person innovates something and adds to the deen something that does not belong to it, he is implying a number of bad things, each worse than the last, for example: That the religion is lacking, that Allaah did not complete and perfect it, and that there is room for improvement. This clearly contradicts the statement in the Qur'aan (interpretation of the meaning): "… This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion…" [al-Maa'idah 5:3] That the religion remained imperfect from the time of the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) until the time when this innovator came along and completed it with his own ideas. That the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was "guilty" of either of two things: either he was ignorant of this "good innovation," or he knew about it but concealed it, thus letting his ummah down by not conveying it. That the Prophet  (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), his Companions and the righteous salaf (early generations) missed out on the reward of this "good innovation" - until this innovator came along and earned it for himself, despite the fact that he should say to himself, "If it was truly good, they would have been the first to do it." Opening the door to bid'ah leads to changing the deen (religion) and opens the way for personal whims and opinions, because every innovator implies that what he is introducing is something good, so whose opinion are we supposed to follow, and which of them should we take as a leader? Following bid'ah leads to the cancelling out of sunnah practices and the ways of the salaf. Real life bears witness that whenever a bid'ah is followed, a sunnah practice dies out; the reverse is also true. We ask Allaah to save us from the misguidance of personal whims and from all trials whether they are open or secret. And Allaah knows best. Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com)

Re: praying
muahmed
11/09/03 at 21:44:12
[slm] Imam al arifin Sayyidina Ali (rah) said something to the effect: "This matter is our deen so be careful who you take it from." Are you really comfortable taking things from a message board? You do not even know for sure how practicising the people giving advice really are. It would be safer to find someone whose taqwa can not be doubted and who strictly follows the inwardly and the outwardly sunnah. Consult his advice about which scholars he follows etc and act on it. At the very least you will be able to reach his/her level. I will not write more, or else this thread will get locked and/or my post deleted.  :)

Re: e: praying
Nomi
11/09/03 at 23:12:32
[slm] Everyone is a muqallid in the strict sense of the word! How? Well you come across a Hadith, in many cases you can't just start following it before looking at it "in context" to the time and other Hadiths and ayahs that relate to the same subject. Now to be able to do that you need vast knowledge of Islaam, knowledge comparable to a scholar or a Mufti in other words you'll have to become one and ofcourse not all of us are scholars as only less than 0.5% of the whole ummah is! So what do we do to consider a hadith or ayah for that matter in the "proper" context, ofcourse we go to an Alim, Ahla-Hadith go to Alims too, right?? Now when you go to an Alim you "follow" what the Alim says which makes you a "muqallid". Here i'll quote what was said before i.e. [quote author=Nomi link=board=madrasa;num=1066767874;start=10#16 date=10/28/03 at 02:42:33]The works of fiqah are from scholars of those times of glory and they (Imam-a-azam Abu Hanifa; Imam Malik; Imam Shafi'ee and the gr8 Imam Ahmad bin Hambal) are the scholars who according to that hadith i talked about were the people from "better" times (of deen). So if we follow the words of todays gr8 scholars (which we should) then we must also follow the fiqah as well, makes sense, no? [/quote] Lastly, i hope i'm not beating about the bush here and ask for forgiveness if any of my words hurt n e one. [slm] Asim Zafar.
11/09/03 at 23:15:22
Nomi

Re: praying
faith
11/10/03 at 01:05:34
[slm] I was just thinking about this problem, i.e. which is the straight path?  which path do we follow? would I follow the school of Shafi-e, Hambali, Hanafi, Maliki or Salafi? which would be the 'saved sect' from the 73 that would go to hell (from a hadith saheeh) I was feeling really sad about this, cause for an ordinary muslim like myself, how would I know which one is right.   and I was thinking to myself, why would Allah want to make the Right Path difficult, and make it confusing for the ordinary believer?   Subhanallah, How Perfect Allah is!  He answered my question, as soon as I opened His Book! Al'i Imran 3:101 -  And how would you disbelieve, while unto you are recited the Verses of Allah, and among you is His Messenger [saw]? And whoever holds firmly to Allah, (i.e. follows Islam Allah's Religion, and obeys all that Allah has ordered, practically), then he is indeed guided to a Right Path :-)

Re: praying
timbuktu
11/10/03 at 01:27:24
[slm] there is nothing to be worried about. we are required to do only as far as is possible, not required to be perfect. The great Imams did not start new sects. & salvation in Islam will not be limited to one such group. We should all have an open mind to follow only what Allah (saw) & then the prophet [saw] have directed, & where we falter, or our imams (scholars) make a mistake in judgement, it will not hurt. I see all the five schools of thought as belonging to the saved sect. & eventually even those with the tiniest speck of eemaan will be taken out of Hell. may Allah guide us to beliefs & actions that will save us from the Fire, & get us to Firdaws-e-a`alaa aameen
11/10/03 at 01:30:42
timbuktu
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