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| Can some one non Islamic marry an Islamic person? |
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| Spirit_Soul |
| 10/22/03 at 20:29:23 |
| Hi, I am not Islamic but I am curious to know about your religion. I do not believe so many misconceptions that are there about Islam. Islam is not evil or wrong!, I refuse to believe that , that is why today I tried to search about Islam to try to find what it is. In the past, I came across many people who just hate Islam , thinking that it harbors terrorists or preaches to kill non Islamic people... I know a few Islamic people myself , they are very nice individuals and some are very strict about following their religion which ofcourse is allowed in the states but still that does not interfere in their social life(in a negative way). Could you clear up some sincere questions that my mind has about Islam? 1) Why can't a muslim person marry a non muslim person? 2)Can a muslim date a non muslim, make her his girlfriend and then say , Oh! I cannot marry you because you are not Islamic? 3) Can a muslim guy date in the first place? If he is not, then isn't he considered to be excommunicated? 4) can you give me references of verses in Quran that say muslim guy/girl cannot marry a non muslim girl/guy? 5) Can you give me references from your scriptures that talk about peace and prosperity- I know that you can do it, and you have probably read them... I don't want to be disrespectful, but for me to read them would be a tideous task, so I humbly request you, please :) . 6) can you give me a reference from your scriptures which says " A guy cannot cheat on a girl , muslim or nonmuslim.?" Thanks! I will be indebted to you, I ask some of the verses that talk about peace because, I want to prove a very arrogant and ignorant individual that I know to be very wrong! |
| Re: Can some one non Islamic marry an Islamic pers |
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| AbdulJalil |
| 10/22/03 at 23:00:35 |
| Assalaamu Alaikum I will answer 5) inshallah. Some verses do not directly talk of peace, but of good relations with others, charity, etc.. [Qur’an 49:13] "O mankind! We created you from a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that you may know and honor each other (not that you should despise one another). Indeed the most honorable of you in the sight of God is the most righteous." [Qur’an 3:133-134] “Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous,-Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for Allah loves those who do good;-“ [Qur'an 8:61] But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). [Qur’an 3:103] "...for ye were enemies and He joined your hearts in love, so that by His Grace, ye became brethren; and ye were on the brink of the pit of Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus doth Allah make His Signs clear to you: That ye may be guided. " [Quran 90.012-17 ] And what will explain to thee the path that is steep?- (It is) to free a slave, And to feed in the day of hunger. An orphan near of kin, Or to the poor man lying in the dust. Then he is of those who believe and exhort one another to show patience, and exhort one another to show compassion” [Qur'an 60:7] “It may be that God will ordain love between you and those of them with whom ye are at enmity. Allah is Mighty, and Allah is Forgiving,Merciful” [Qur’an 76:8-9]And they feed, for the love of Allah, the poor,the orphan, and the captive,- Saying,"We feed you for the sake of Allah alone: no reward do we desire from you, nor thanks. Now, these are ahadith: The Prophet(pbuh) said :"None of you [truly] believes until he likes for his brother what he likes for himself" [Bukhari, Muslim, at-Tirmidhi, an-Nasai and Ibn Majah] The prophet(pbuh) said "He is not a believer who eats his fill while his neighbor remains hungry" [Al-Hakim, at-Tabarani and al-Bayhaqi] Narrated AbuHurayrah: Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Verily, Allah would say on the Day of Resurrection: Where are those who have mutual love for My Glory's sake? Today I shall shelter them in My shadow when there is no other shadow but the shadow of Mine. (Sahih Muslim: Book 31, Number 6225) Abu Hurairah quotes the Prophet as saying : “By Him who holds my soul in His hands, you shall not be admitted into Heaven until you are truly Muslims, and you shall not be Muslims until you love one another. Spread the greeting of peace among you in order to love one another. Stay away from hatred because that is the razor. I do not say to you that it removes hair, but it removes the faith altogether.” (Related by Muslim Al Bukhari in Al-Adab, Al-Mufrad, Abu Dawood and Ibn Majaha) Anas (RAA) said that a man was with the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him),when another man passed by. The first man said, "O Messenger of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala), indeed I truly love this man." The Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) asked him, "Have you let him know that?" He said, "No." The Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) said, "Tell him." He caught up with him and told him, "Truly I love you for the sake of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala)," and the man said, "May Allah (SubHana WaTa`ala) love you who loves me for His sake." (Reported with a sahih isnad by Abu Dawud, 4/452, Kitab al-adab, bab akhbar al-rajul bi mahabbatihi ilayh. ) In al-Muwatta', Imam Malik gives a report with a sahih isnad from Abu Idris al-Khulani who said: "I entered the mosque of Damascus, where I saw a young man who had a bright smile, and I saw the people gathered around him. When they disagreed on some matter, they referred it to him, and accepted his opinion. I asked who he was, and they told me, `This is Mu`adh ibn Jabal (RAA).' Early the next day, I went to the mosque but I found that he had arrived even earlier than I. He was praying, so I waited until he had finished, then I approached him from in front, greeted him and said, `By Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala), I love you.' He asked, `For the sake of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala)?' I said, `For the sake of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala).' He repeated his question, `For the sake of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala)?' And I said, `For the sake of Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala).' So he took hold of my collar, pulled me towards him and said, `I have good news for you. I heard the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) say: "Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala) says: "My love is granted to those who love one another for My sake, who visit one another for My sake, and who spend on one another for My sake.'"'" (Reported by Malik in al-Muwatta', 2/953, Kitab al-shi'r, bab ma ja'a fi'l-muthabbayn fi-Allah.) Abu Hurairah, may Allah be pleased with him, reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, stated: I am near to the thought of My servant as he thinks about Me, and I am with him as he remembers Me. And if he remembers Me in his heart, I also remember him in My Heart, and if he remembers Me in assembly I remember him in assembly, better than his (remembrance), and if he draws near Me by the span of a palm, I draw near him by a cubit, and if he draws near Me by a cubit I draw near him by the space (covered by) two arms. And if he walks towards Me, I rush towards him. Hadith in Sahih Muslim Abu Ya ‘la Dailami and Ibn Asakir narrated: Abu Hurairah and Anas Ibn Malik said: Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: "Allah loves rescuing the one who needs rescue." Muslim narrated: Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas said: Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: "Allah loves the believer who is pious and rich, but does not show off." Al-Hakim narrated: The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: "Allah is All-Generous and He loves generosity in sale, purchase and judgment." Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: "Allah loves that you be just toward your children even when kissing them." Ibn Al-Najjar Al-Tabarani, Ibn Ya'la, Ibn Hibban and Al-Hakim narratd: Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: "If two men love each other for the sake of Allah, the stronger in love to his brother will be more loved by Allah." Ibn Iday narrated: Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: "Allah is All-Forgiving and He loves forgiveness." Imam Malik and Imam Ahmed narrated: Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said: "Allah said: My love is due to those who love one another for My sake." ------------------------------------------------------------ It is better to forgive: [Qur’an 042.040 ] ” The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) loveth not those who do wrong [Qur’an 042.043 ] And whoever is patient and forgiving, these most surely are actions due to courage Repelling evil with good : [Qur’an 028.054 -55] These will be given their reward twice over, because they are steadfast and repel evil with good, and spend of that wherewith We have provided them. And when they hear vain talk, they turn away therefrom and say: "To us our deeds, and to you yours; peace be to you: we seek not the ignorant." [Qur’an 042.037 ] Those who avoid the greater crimes and shameful deeds, and whenever they are angry they forgive. ------------------------------------------------------------ This is An article: The Holy Qur'an Foil hatred with love (Qur’an 41: 33-36): “Who is better in speech(1) than one who calls (men) to Allah,works righteousness, and says, "I am of those who bow in Islam"? Nor can Goodness and Evil(2) be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!(3) And no one will be(4) granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint, - none but persons of the greatest good fortune.And if (at any time) an incitement to discord(5) is made to thee by the Satan, seek refuge in Allah. He is the One Who hears and knows all things.” COMMENTARY (1)Better in speech: ie speaks better counsel; or is more worthy of being listened to. That his word reaches the highest mark of human speech is evidenced by three facts: (i) that he calls all to the Truth of Allah, showing that his thoughts are not centred on himself; (ii) every deed of his is righteousness, showing that there is no divergence between his preaching and his conduct; and (iii) he completely associates himself with the Will of Allah, showing that he is the full embodiment of Islam. What a fine description of the holy Prophet (sallallahu alayhe wa sallam)! (2) You do not return good for evil. There is no equality or comparison between the two. You repel or destroy evil with something which is far better, just as an antidote is better than poison. You foil hatred with love. You repel ignorance with knowledge, folly and wickedness with the friendly message of Revelation. Than who was in the bondage of sin, you not only liberate from sin, but make him your greatest friend and helper in the cause of Allah! Such is the alchemy of the Word of Allah! [Repel evil with that which is best: We are well acquainted with the things they say. - Sura Al-Muminun: 96] [Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert Evil with Good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them. - Sura Al-Qasas: 54] (3) Hamim (in Arabic); Protectors. (4) The moral standard referred to in the last verse can only be reached by the exercise of the highest patience and self-restraint. All sorts of human weaknesses and counsels of pseudo-wisdom and "self- respect" will keep breaking in, but resist them as suggestions of Evil (see next verse). If you reach anywhere near the high standard, you will be indeed most fortunate in a spiritual sense, for Allah's Revelations will have made you great and free. (5) Nazaga (in Arabic) has in it the idea of discord, slander, disharmony, as well as incitements to such disturbances in the soul. They can only proceed from evil, and should be resisted with the help of Allah. End of article ------------------------------------------------------------ [Qur'an 5:8] O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety: and fear Allah. For Allah is well-acquainted with all that ye do. [Qur'an 19:96] On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will the Most Gracious bestow love. [Qur'an 30:21] And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that you may dwell in tranquility with them, and He has put love and mercy between you [your hearts]: verily in that are signs for those who reflect. Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-'As (radhi Allahu anhu) narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said: "The Compassionate One [i.e. God] has mercy on those who are merciful. If you show mercy to those who are on the earth, He Who is in the heavens will show mercy to you." (Sunan of Abu-Dawood - Hadith 4923) |
| 10/22/03 at 23:21:11 |
| AbdulJalil |
| Re: Can some one non Islamic marry an Islamic pers |
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| bhaloo |
| 10/23/03 at 01:35:13 |
| Hello Spirit Soul welcome to the board. I feel so relieved, my midterms are done and I don't think I have to work saturdays and sundays, which means I have time to spend on the board. :) Now on to your questions. [quote author=Spirit_Soul link=board=madrasa;num=1066865364;start=0#0 date=10/22/03 at 20:29:23]Could you clear up some sincere questions that my mind has about Islam? 1) Why can't a muslim person marry a non muslim person? [/quote] Allah (SWT) has forbidden Muslim women from mearing non-Muslims in the Quran, such as this translation of the verse: (And give not (your daughters) in marriage to Al-Mushrikin till they believe (in Allah Alone).) As for Muslim men, there are some special circumstances, and Sheikh Munajjid explains this here: Praise be to Allaah. Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Jareer al-Tabari gave a definition of muhsanah in Jaami’ al-Bayaan ‘an Ta’weel Aayi’l-Qur’aan (8/165): “Muhsanah means the woman who is chaste and pure … one who is chaste and protects her private parts from committing immoral acts, as in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And Maryam, the daughter of ‘Imraan, who guarded her chastity…’ [al-Tahreem 66:12], meaning that she kept herself above suspicious actions and protected herself from immoral conduct.” Then he discussed the interpretation of the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘… (lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time…’ [al-Maa’idah 5:5] He said that some others said that what was meant by this aayah (‘… (lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time…’) is chaste women from both groups, whether they were slaves or free. Those who were of this opinion considered it permissible to marry slave women who were Jews or Christians who practised their religions, because of this aayah, but they considered it haraam to marry promiscuous women, whether they were Muslims or from the People of the Book. Then he mentioned reports to support this opinion. He also said: ‘There was some dispute among the scholars about the interpretation of the phrase and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time…- was this general or specific in application? Some said that it is general and applies to all chaste women, because muhsanaat means chaste women, and a Muslim is allowed to marry any woman of the People of the Book, free or slave, from a country whose people are engaged in hostilities with Islam or from a community which is living under Islamic rule. They use as evidence for this the apparent meaning of the phrase and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time… - taking muhsanaat to mean any chaste woman, whoever she may be. This is the opinion of those who take muhsanaat to mean “chaste women” in this context. Others say that it refers only to the women of Jewish and Christian communities who are living under Islamic rule. As regards those living in regions that are hostile to Islam, Muslims are not permitted to marry such women. He mentions an important condition for marrying a woman of the People of the Book, which every Muslim who wants to marry such a woman in a non-Muslim country should pay attention to. This condition is that he should be in a position where he is not afraid that his child will be forced into kufr. One of the obvious implications of this in our time is that a Muslim should not put himself in a position where he will be forced to raise his child as a kaafir in a non-Muslim country, where a child may be forced to study something about Christianity, for example, or he may be taken to church on Sundays, or the law may be on the side of the non-Muslim woman, allowing her to take her child wherever she wants and raise him in her family’s religion, etc. We ask Allaah to keep us safe from all that and we seek refuge with Him from being forsaken. Shaykh al-Sa’di said in his Tafseer (commentary on the Qur’aan), 1/458: “‘… (lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women – i.e., free and chaste - from the believers and chaste women –free and chaste - from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time…’ i.e., from among the Jews and Christians. This is adding specific details to the aayah (interpretation of the meaning): ‘And do not marry al-mushrikaat (idolatresses, etc.) till they believe (worship Allaah alone)…’ [al-Baqarah 2:221].” As for promiscuous women, those who do not keep themselves chaste and free from immoral sexual conduct, it is not permitted to marry them, whether they are Muslims or from among the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), unless they repent, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “Let no man guilty of fornication or adultery marry any but a woman similarly guilty, or an unbeliever: nor let any but such a man or an unbeliever marry such a woman: to the Believers such a thing is forbidden.” [al-Noor 24:3] And Allaah knows best. [quote] 2)Can a muslim date a non muslim, make her his girlfriend and then say , Oh! I cannot marry you because you are not Islamic? 3) Can a muslim guy date in the first place? If he is not, then isn't he considered to be excommunicated? 4) can you give me references of verses in Quran that say muslim guy/girl cannot marry a non muslim girl/guy? [/quote] Dating isn't allowed in islam and neither are boyfriends and girlfriends. The people that do such things are committing sins, but this doesn't "excommunicate" (a christian term) one from Islam. I guess point 4 was addressed by Sheikh Munajjid up above. Insha'Allah (God willing) that answers your questions. |
| Re: Can some one non Islamic marry an Islamic pers |
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| theOriginal |
| 10/23/03 at 23:03:53 |
| [slm] That raises a good point....all these Muslim brothas who be marrying these non-Muslim women.... (wait, allow me to insert caveat: no offence intended....) How applicable is the "Ahl-e-Kitaab" title for most (99%-ish) of these women? I mean sure, being pure and good is awl good, BUT how sure are you of their belief in something as fundamental as sayyyyy the Oneness of God...considering that the idea of monotheism is a little dodgy in the Christian religion. (Just an example) Once again guys...no offence.... Wasalaam. |
| Re: Can some one non Islamic marry an Islamic pers |
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| Spirit_Soul |
| 10/24/03 at 21:02:39 |
| Personally, I have no problem with some one marrying some one else, if they both like each other and their parents agree, they should marry and be happy. What I don't understand is why people make religion come and play a big role in it. Why is it so important that a christian should marry a christian ? Jew -a jew... a muslim- a muslim. |
| Re: Can some one non Islamic marry an Islamic pers |
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| bhaloo |
| 10/24/03 at 21:53:35 |
| Hello Spirit Soul, [quote author=Spirit_Soul link=board=madrasa;num=1066865364;start=0#4 date=10/24/03 at 21:02:39]Personally, I have no problem with some one marrying some one else, if they both like each other and their parents agree, they should marry and be happy. What I don't understand is why people make religion come and play a big role in it. Why is it so important that a christian should marry a christian ? Jew -a jew... a muslim- a muslim. [/quote] Muslims have certain rules and regulations that they adhere to, and these are layed out in the Quran and in the example of the Prophet (pbuh). Islam is more then a religion, it is a complete way of life, economically, socially, politically, etc. Everything. We are given rules and regulations to adhere to. Muslims believe in One, Unique, Incomparable God; in the Angels created by Him; in the prophets through whom His revelations were brought to mankind; in the Day of Judgement and individual accountability for actions; in God's complete authority over human destiny and in life after death. Muslims believe in a chain of prophets starting with Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses, Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the Baptist, and Jesus, peace be upon them. But God's final message to man, a reconfirmation of the eternal message and a summing-up of all that has gone before was revealed to the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) through Gabriel. |
| Re: Can some one non Islamic marry an Islamic pers |
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| timbuktu |
| 10/26/03 at 01:36:21 |
| [slm][quote author=JustOne link=board=madrasa;num=1066865364;start=0#3 date=10/23/03 at 23:03:53] How applicable is the "Ahl-e-Kitaab" title for most (99%-ish) of these women? I mean sure, being pure and good is awl good, BUT how sure are you of their belief in something as fundamental as sayyyyy the Oneness of God...considering that the idea of monotheism is a little dodgy in the Christian religion. (Just an example)[/quote] this question was debated by Salafi scholars, & the gist of what i remember is here; this is also my own opinion: The ahl-e-kitab means that the woman must be a practicing Jewess pr Christian. In today's world, secularism, atheism or agnostism are common, so Christians are nominal Christians, hence the term ahle-kitab does not automatically apply to them. well many muslims are also the same. 2ndly, one has to make sure that the children be brought up as good muslims. in a muslim country is is difficult enough with a non-muslim wife. It woqld be even more so in a non-muslim country. it is for this reason i had decided against marriage while in the West. with masha`Allah practicing educated muslimahs in the West, it is a shame that muslims in the West still turn to nominal conversion or no conversion at all. but things are getting better, i see. |
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