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| buL-buL |
| 10/26/03 at 00:37:11 |
| [slm] I'm hearing some say it has, some say it hasn't?? Anyone know for sure? [wlm] |
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| Abdussamed |
| 10/26/03 at 00:40:30 |
| Wa Alaikumsalam...Yes it is sure....In EU......Have Blessed Ramadan...Wassalam |
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| jannah |
| 10/26/03 at 00:43:50 |
| [wlm] Best thing to do is go with your local community or mosque so call them up inshallah!!! |
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| Caraj |
| 10/26/03 at 00:49:12 |
| So if it has been sighted would that not mean Ramadan starts today and not Monday? Can someone tell me about the sighting of the moon, it's meaning and also if the moon is in a certain phase to start Ramadan? |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 10/26/03 at 00:53:33 |
| [slm] ;D Azizah, different countries see the moon at different times. The moon wasn't sited in North America so we start our Ramadan on Monday. You probably know that the Hijri calender is based on the moon. The month begins when the moon goes from being no moon into a crescent moon. Same goes for Eid. When there's no moon Ramadan is almost over, so then at the very first siting of the moon we know that Ramadan is over and it's time to celebrate ;D [slm] |
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| Abdussamed |
| 10/26/03 at 01:01:06 |
| [quote author=Ahmad link=board=madrasa;num=1067139431;start=0#4 date=10/26/03 at 00:53:33] [slm] ;D Azizah, different countries see the moon at different times. The moon wasn't sited in North America so we start our Ramadan on Monday. You probably know that the Hijri calender is based on the moon. The month begins when the moon goes from being no moon into a crescent moon. Same goes for Eid. When there's no moon Ramadan is almost over, so then at the very first siting of the moon we know that Ramadan is over and it's time to celebrate ;D [slm][/quote] Salam Alaiykum...I thought there is no different with continets where is sighted... Is northamerica to far for accepting it, when is sighted in europe or midleast? Wassalam |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 10/26/03 at 01:04:24 |
| [slm] ;D [QUOTE] Salam Alaiykum...I thought there is no different with continets where is sighted... Is northamerica to far for accepting it, when is sighted in europe or midleast? Wassalam [/QUOTE] Yeah, it hasn't been sited all over North America. That's not because of cloud cover ;D It's because it's not there yet. It's fine, too. Even in the Prophet's [saw] time they would start Ramadan at different times. Sometimes, because one city would see the moon and one wouldn't, Makkah and Madinah had Eid on different days ;D [slm] |
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| faisalsb |
| 10/26/03 at 01:48:53 |
| [slm] First of all Ramadan Mubarak to everybody who are fasting today. Moon is not sighted in middleast either. Over here Ramadan will start from Monday 27 Oct. |
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| bhaloo |
| 10/26/03 at 02:11:44 |
| [slm] ISNA, the islamic society of north america announced that ramadan will start on Monday insha'Allah as they didn't see any moon in north america. As jannah mentioned check with your masjid, most masjids in north america are followers of isna. Regarding the moon sighting, there are 2 scholarly opinions regarding this. Question: Appearance of Ramadan Hilal or Shawwal Hilal differs between Muslim countries. So should the Muslims fast if the Hilal appears in one of those countries? Answer: The scholars have difference of opinion regarding the issue of Hilal. Some of them view that if Ramadan Hilal appears in a place per Islamic rules, so all Muslims should start fasting. And if Shawwal Hilal appears, all Muslims should break fast. And this is famous in the Fiqh of Imam Ahmad. And from this eg. if we see the Hilal in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, then it is incumbent on all Muslims in all countries to follow this sighting for fasting in case of Ramadan and for breaking the fast in case of Shawwal. And it was based on an open statement of Allah (SWT) in the Qur'an: "Fa man shahida minkum ash-shahr fal yasumh". and the open statement of the Hadith from our Prophet (PBUH): ): if you saw it fast, and if you saw it, break the fast. And some scholars who say that it is not necessary to fast from the appearance of Ramadan Hilal, nor to break fast in Shawwal, except for the one who saw the Hilal or agreed on the sighting in the Matale of Hilal, because Matale of Hilal differs, as agreed by people who know. So if there are any differences (of Matale), each country must follow their own sighting. If a country agrees in the Matale of Hilal, it follows, otherwise not. And this is what the Sheikhul Islam Ibn Taimiyah RHA chose. And he based this on the word of Allah (SWT): "Fa man shahida minkum ash-shahr fal yasumh". and the Hadith of the prophet (SAW): if you saw it fast, and if you saw it, break the fast. i.e. by the same daleel / method, which was used by the ones who obligate (all to follow one sighting), but Ibn Taimiyah who bases on the same Ayah and Hadith, differs (in his conclusions). If the ruling was to follow the witness and the sighter, so the ones who did not witnessed or saw it, the ruling will not be obligated on them. And if the Matale (sighting) differs, so the ruling of Hilal cannot be generalized (for them). And this is for sure a strong argument to use, based on proof (daleel) and strengthened by viewpoint and qiyas (analogy). Sheikh Muhammad Ibn Saleh Othaimeen, Saudi Arabia. |
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