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| amatullah |
| 11/04/03 at 22:30:12 |
| QURANIC VERSE: 009.107 YUSUFALI: And there are those who put up a mosque by way of mischief and infidelity - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against Allah and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; But Allah doth declare that they are certainly liars. PICKTHAL: And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger aforetime, they will surely swear: We purposed naught save good. Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars. SHAKIR: And those who built a masjid to cause harm and for unbelief and to cause disunion among the believers and an ambush to him who made war against Allah and His Messenger before; and they will certainly swear: We did not desire aught but good; and Allah bears witness that they are most surely liars. 009.108 YUSUFALI: Never stand thou forth therein. There is a mosque whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and Allah loveth those who make themselves pure. PICKTHAL: Never stand (to pray) there. A place of worship which was found upon duty (to Allah) from the first day is more worthy that thou shouldst stand (to pray) therein, wherein are men who love to purify themselves. Allah loveth the purifiers. SHAKIR: Never stand in it; certainly a masjid founded on piety from the very first day is more deserving that you should stand in it; in it are men who love that they should be purified; and Allah loves those who purify themselves. 009.109 YUSUFALI: Which then is best? - he that layeth his foundation on piety to Allah and His good pleasure? - or he that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? and it doth crumble to pieces with him, into the fire of Hell. And Allah guideth not people that do wrong. PICKTHAL: Is he who founded his building upon duty to Allah and His good pleasure better; or he who founded his building on the brink of a crumbling, overhanging precipice so that it toppled with him into the fire of hell? Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. SHAKIR: Is he, therefore, better who lays his foundation on fear of Allah and (His) good pleasure, or he who lays his foundation on the edge of a cracking hollowed bank, so it broke down with him into the fire of hell; and Allah does not guide the unjust people. ==================================================== http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2003-10/04/article01.shtml Europe’s Biggest "Mosque" Opens Amid Controversy "It is not a mosque, it is a prayer space," Sacranie said CAIRO, October 4 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – A sect whose followers are largely ostracized as non-believers by mainstream Muslims and outlawed by several Islamic countries, inaugurated Friday, October 3, what is described as western Europe's biggest "mosque", with representatives of the Muslim community dismissing it as "a prayer space" and "not a mosque." The seven-year project has been achieved by Ahmadiyya Qadianiyya, a sect that claims 20,000 followers in Britain, said the Independent. It was built to overlook the terraced Victorian housing of the quiet town of Morden, will be able to house 10,000 people, with 4,000 able to fit inside two segregated prayer halls, reported Agence France-Presse (AFP). Mirza Masroor Ahmad, the so-called fifth "worldwide supreme head" of the sect opened the "mosque", which features two towering minarets, a library, three conference rooms, a gym and a dome 23 meters (75.4 ft) high. "We built the very first London mosque in 1924," said Rafiq Ahmad Hayat, head of Britain's Ahmadiyya community before the ceremony. "This time we have produced the largest and most sophisticated mosque in Britain to serve as a landmark for the next century." In its full splendor in a light industrial and commuting suburb, Baitul Futuh "mosque", whose name means House of Victories, knocks Europe's biggest mosques west of Geneva - in London and Birmingham - into second and third place, said the Guardian. The 14 million euros (16.4 million dollars) construction cost was raised entirely from individual donations, AFP quoted as saying Basharat Nazir, spokesman for the sect in Britain. "We are the renaissance of Islam. We stand for moderation," he claimed of the sect with its non-belief in jihad. Not Muslims Considered heretics in Pakistan, the Ahmadiyya movement was founded in the western Indian town of Qadian in 1889 by Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. Contrary to the basics of Islam, the sect followers believe that the last prophet was not Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him), but the movement founder, who alleged he was the Messiah, whose advent was awaited by Jews, Christians and Muslims. The group is also infamous for its ties with Israel, which helped the former build centers and schools as well as print books to be circulated across the globe. Muslims consider the movement blasphemous, not least for questioning that Muhammad is the last prophet as laid out in the holy Qura'n. "They are not Muslims, full stop. It is not a mosque, it is a prayer space," averred Iqbal Sacranie, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain. "These people are not allowed to go in Saudi Arabia" to visit Islam's holiest sites, he maintained. "They've got support from people who want to create confusion in Islam," charged Sacranie. Ghayasuddin Siddiqui, leader of Britain's Muslim parliament, agreed: "I'm sure most people think they are not part of Islam. They don't recognize them." On Thursday, October 2, the Guardian quoted the Muslim Council of Britain as saying it did not regard the building as a mosque or considered Ahmadis to be Muslims. Britons Angered Muslims aside, the construction of the "mosque" has also put the backs of local residents up, as was the case with the enormous Neasden Temple, the largest Hindu temple outside India that opened in a northwest London suburb in the mid-1990s. "I'm against it," said one shopkeeper of the "mosque". "When they hold their big meetings you can't park. And they wouldn't let us build churches in their countries, would they?" Scott Spilman, a 20-year-old technical manager with the London Underground, agreed: "It's disgusting. We were just told that it was happening." But Nadhim, a member of the Ahmadiyya community who has just moved in opposite the "mosque", argued: "It's a good thing because there's a large Ahmadi community here." >:( |
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| jannah |
| 11/05/03 at 00:41:52 |
| [wlm] I think they have a right to build whatever religious structure they want to. If we believe in religious tolerance and freedom it should be for everyone. Ahmadiyas are a "sect" of Islam and are not considered within the fold of Islam, but still they should be able to build whatever they want. That they can raise that much money and build something for their community should be something we can learn from. And why are we supporting people like the following??? [quote] "I'm against it," said one shopkeeper of the "mosque". "When they hold their big meetings you can't park. And they wouldn't let us build churches in their countries, would they?" Scott Spilman, a 20-year-old technical manager with the London Underground, agreed: "It's disgusting. We were just told that it was happening." [/quote] Those are ignorant remarks of intolerance and we shouldn't support them even if we think Qadianis don't have correct belief~!!! |
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| timbuktu |
| 11/05/03 at 01:05:00 |
| [quote author=jannah link=board=ummah;num=1067999413;start=0#1 date=11/05/03 at 00:41:52] ..... Ahmadiyas are a "sect" of Islam ..... [/quote] surely you forgot to type in NOT before a "sect" i agree with the rest |
| 11/05/03 at 01:07:59 |
| timbuktu |
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| Nomi |
| 11/05/03 at 01:05:06 |
| [slm] I don't think that we should call qadianis a 'sect' of Islaam. Yes we should be tolerant towards them the way we are towards other 'non-Muslims' and thats the word that should be used for them. Why are we Muslims more strict towards 'Zionists'? Because they are 'the' rejected nation and the biggest enemy of Islaam? But arn't qadianis even more dangerous as they claim themselves to be Muslims and rest of us to them are non-Muslims, and have we forgotten the hords of sahabah who got martyred in a battle against 'Musaelma Kazzaab'? I'm not preaching hatred towards them, i myself have got an 'uncle' in my block who is a qadiani and i treat him the way i treat my two christian friends from childhood. So my take is, they shouldn't be called a sect but rather non-Muslims. May Allah [swt] guide qadianis/ahmadiyas towards Islaam, ameen. [slm] Asim Zafar. |
| 11/05/03 at 02:21:24 |
| Nomi |
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| bhaloo |
| 11/05/03 at 22:10:53 |
| [slm] Astarghfullah that they are even called a sect of Islam or for that matter even called Muslims! Qadianis are kafirs. May Allah (SWT) protect the Muslims from such deviant beliefs. This is from Islam-online.net regarding Qadianis, and also contains what the ulema said. http://www.islamonline.net/fatwa/english/FatwaDisplay.asp?hFatwaID=44030 As regards the question you posed, we quote for you the fatwa issued by Islamic Fiqh Academy on Qadyaniyyah, with slight additions from other sources. It goes as follows: Definition: Qadyaniyyah (also known as Ahmadiyyah) is an Indian-based movement that was established under the patronage of the British colonial powers in 1900 for the aim of driving Muslims away from their religion and, most definitely, the religious duty of Jihad, which, they feared, might be used to stage rebellion against the British occupation. The mouthpiece of the movement was Religions, a magazine that was issued in English at that time. Dogmas and Ideology: Ghulam Ahmad, the founder of the movement, began his activities as an Islamic caller to attract as many supporters as he could. Later, he claimed himself a reformer and a divinely-inspired man. Afterwards, he said that he was the awaited Mahdi. Later on, he claimed prophethood and even said that his prophethood was much better than that of Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him. The followers of this group believe that Allah, Glorified be He, performs some acts befitting the mortals, like fasting, praying, sleeping, and even committing mistakes. But Allah Almighty is Far Exalted above what they say! A Qadyani believes that his lord is English as he speaks to him in English. He also believes that Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him, is not the seal of Prophets and that Allah Almighty sends new prophets according to time and need, and that Ghulam Ahmad is the greatest prophet. The followers of this sect also believe that Angel Gabriel used to come to Ghulam Ahmad and convey revelations to him. In addition, they say that the only accepted book is the book presented by Ghulam Ahmad, his words are the only accepted words and that all prophets stand under his control. Furthermore, they believe that their book, known as Al-Mubeen is a heavenly-revealed one. They continue spreading their false ideas by saying that they have a new religion totally different from all other religions and that the companions of Ghulam Ahmad are like the Prophet’s Companions. Moreover, they say that Qadyan, their leader’s place of birth, is like, or even better than, Makkah and Madinah, so they take it as their prayer direction and a center of pilgrimage. They call for ignoring Jihad and showing complete obedience to the British empire, because it represents the ruler to whom obedience is due. To them, every Muslim is a Kafir (disbeliever) until he converts to their belief, and that anyone who marries a non-Qadyani is considered an unbeliever. They also allow wine, opium, intoxicants and drugs. In 1914 the followers of Ghulam Ahmad were divided into two groups. The overwhelming majority of his followers belong to the first group known as Qadyanis and were headed by Bashiruddin Mahmud, the second successor of Ghulam Ahmad. The second group known as Lahori, and founded by Muhammad ‘Ali Lahori, is a minority among the followers of Ghulam Ahmad. The second group have a less striking tone of their principles by claiming that they do not believe in Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet in the real sense of the term but as Mujaddid (a renovator). However, they still believe him to be true in all other claims, which led Muslims to regard them also as outside the pale of Islam. Qadianiyah in the Eyes of Muslims: On the month of Rabi` Al-Awwal 1394 A.H. (April 1974 A.C.) a large conference was held in the Muslim World League headquarters in Makkah and was attended by many representatives of international Islamic organizations. The communiqué issued by this conference branded this group as Kafirs (unbelievers). It also recommended that all Muslims should stand to face this group and never deal with its members and not to bury them in Muslim cemeteries. Moreover, Qadyaniyyah followers have good relations with Israel that helped them issue a special magazine (that stands as their mouthpiece) and many other pamphlets that are distributed all over the world. Conclusion: Based on the above-mentioned facts, we can say that Qadyaniyyah is a deviant group that has nothing to do with Islam. Muslims are to be aware of them especially after they have been branded as Kafirs by all scholars. For more information, you can read the following: - Muhammad Iqbal, Islam and Ahmadism, Lahore-Pakistan, 1976. - Syed Abul Ala Maudoodi, The Qadiani Problem, Karachi, 1956. - Ehsan Elahi Zaheer, Qadiyaniat: An Analytical Survey, Lahore-Pakistan, 1976. - Mahmood A. Ghazi, Qadiani Problem and Position of the Lahori Group, Islamic Book Foundation, Islamabad, 1991. - Bashir Ahmad, Ahamadiyya Movement: British Jewish Connections, Islamabad, 1994. - Mane`Bin Hammad Al-Juhani, Al-Mawsu`ah Al-Muyassarah fi Al-Adyan wal Madhahib Al-Mu`asirah. Allah Almighty knows best. |
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| Halima |
| 11/07/03 at 09:15:53 |
| For the first time, I agree that they should not be referred to as a sect of Mulsims. Here in Nairobi, they have their own separate cemetry. While the rest of the Muslims are buried at the Muslim cemetry. Muslims DO NOT have and SHOULD NOT have separate cemetries. Subhanallah! Halima |
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