A R C H I V E S
Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board
| Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| BroHanif |
| 11/08/03 at 18:32:37 |
| I've heard from some news sources that there are some people dead from this explosion. Who is doing this and why? Satans Allah help us. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3254103.stm Large explosion hits Saudi capital Many people were out late at night because of the holy month of Ramadan A powerful explosion has hit Saudi Arabia's capital, Riyadh. The blast, at about midnight (2100 GMT), hit the Muhaya residential compound, which houses mainly Saudi workers - as well as foreigners - in the west of the capital. One eyewitness said there were many casualties - but there has been no confirmation of this. A spokesman for the Saudi interior ministry described the blast as a terrorist explosion in comments carried by the Saudi press agency (SPA). The explosion, near Riyadh's diplomatic quarter, comes a day after the United States shut its diplomatic missions in Saudi Arabia after "credible evidence" of a threat and the UK embassy in Bahrain issued a similar warning. Thirty-five people were killed in a string of suicide attacks in May on a Western compound in Riyadh. Screams Initial reports suggest up to three explosions hit the area - and they were powerful enough to be heard across the Saudi capital. "We heard very strong explosion and we saw the fire," Bassem al-Hourani, who said he was a resident at the targeted compound, told Arabic television station Al-Arabiya. "I heard screams of the children and women... I saw a lot of people injured and I believe there a lot of people dead," he said. A thin plume of smoke was rising from the compound as police and ambulances rushed to the scene. Initial reports said the compound was mostly used by Saudis - but an AFP journalist in Riyadh told the BBC British people lived there too. 'Extremely wary' The US embassy in Riyadh said on Friday it had "credible information that terrorists in Saudi Arabia have moved from the planning to operational phase of planned attacks in the kingdom." The statement said: "The embassy strongly urges all American citizens in the kingdom to be especially vigilant when in any area that is perceived to be American or Western." US citizens have been on alert since the May attacks State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said fears of an imminent attack in the kingdom meant it was "prudent... to warn Americans and to close our operations for a review." Missions in Riyadh, Jeddah and Dhahran were closed on Saturday. "We will take it day by day," said a US embassy official when asked when the operations would re-open. "We're very much on guard, very much aware of what's going on. I'm extremely wary," David Castillo, vice-president of a telecoms company in Saudi Arabia, told Reuters news agency prior to Saturday evening's attack. Britain, Canada and Australia last month issued similar alerts, which angered Saudi officials, who say they have made important strides in fighting terror inside the country. Terrorist funding Saudi police in Mecca recently uncovered a suspected al-Qaeda cell believed to be planning attacks. On Thursday, two suspected members of the cell blew themselves up apparently to avoid arrest, while a third suspect was shot dead by security forces in Riyadh. The US Secretary of State Colin Powell, in an interview with a London-based Saudi newspaper Ash-Sharq Al-Awsat, said he thought the Saudi authorities could do more to combat terror. Saudi Arabia could make greater efforts in pursuing the sources of terrorist funding, he told the newspaper. |
| NS |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| siddiqui |
| 11/08/03 at 18:44:35 |
| [slm] Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi rajioon A very sad day Indeed May allah swt guide us to the straight path Ameen [wlm] |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| timbuktu |
| 11/09/03 at 04:19:34 |
| [slm] the bbc says: "... with dozens reported dead and several injured, including a young British girl... ... and British schoolteacher Graham Bull" i cannot imagine muslims doing it, pious muslims who have committed thier lives to Allah's path. some will call me a conspiracy theorist, but i think all possible suspects should be explored. what would al-Qaeda gain by this? who will gain by bombing women & children in a residential area? is the end-of-times battle near? are these the times of deception (dajjal)? we need to bow our heads before Allah & seek his forgiveness & protection & guidance. |
| 11/09/03 at 04:27:48 |
| timbuktu |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| bhaloo |
| 11/09/03 at 09:29:45 |
| [slm] I don't believe it was Muslims that did it either. [quote author=timbuktu link=board=ummah;num=1068334357;start=0#2 date=11/09/03 at 04:19:34] is the end-of-times battle near? are these the times of deception (dajjal)? [/quote] I think they are. May Allah (SWT) have mercy on us. |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/09/03 at 11:08:56 |
| why is it that you do not believe that muslims did it? If some muslims think that the governmets is in cahoots with the USA then it is not an unreasonalbe stretch for some muslims to paint them as targets for being traitors. Is it you do not believe or you do not want to believe? |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| timbuktu |
| 11/09/03 at 11:11:37 |
| [slm] brothers & sisters, we should all read Surah "Kahf", & frequently the dua for protection against "Dajjaal". [quote author=mike aka ltcorpest2 link=board=ummah;num=1068334357;start=0#4 date=11/09/03 at 11:08:56]why is it that you do not believe that muslims did it? If some muslims think that the governmets is in cahoots with the USA then it is not an unreasonalbe stretch for some muslims to paint them as targets for being traitors. Is it you do not believe or you do not want to believe?[/quote] brother, they targetted residential quarters of ordinary muslims, not the rulers or their internal security agencies. why would a muslim target civilians, & women & children at that! |
| 11/09/03 at 11:15:55 |
| timbuktu |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| humble_muslim |
| 11/09/03 at 11:26:22 |
| AA Of course muslims did this! Who else does suicide bombings? Anyone ever heard of the khawarij? They were the most "pious" muslims of their time, yet they killed the Aamir ul Muslimeen, the cousin of the Prophet(SAW), the son in law of the Prophet(SAW), one of the first to accept Islam, just for their own political gains. So to these modern day Khawarrij, what's a few ordinary muslims? May Allah punish all those who had anything to do with this attack by putting them in the torment of hell fire forever, ameen, ameen, ameen. And may he root out their plans and give them utter disgrace in this world, in front of the whole world. |
| NS |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| timbuktu |
| 11/09/03 at 11:46:04 |
| [slm] indeed brother, may Allah punish those who had anything to do with this & similar outrages. but i do not know what is going on. This is being blamed on al-Qaeda. if it is al-Qaeda, what is their political or religious philosophy? do you have any idea? Their spiritual leader was Dr Azzam until his martyrdom, & he was not in favor of killing civilians. Of course, perhaps al-Qaeda was not yet born, or was in its infancy. you have raised very important questions. who are these people? what are their beliefs? & what are their motives? you see, some years ago there was a rumor that the mehdi is about to appear. He has been identified, & he is still young, but at the right time he will appear. Such rumors are spread by our enemies, to divide us. there is so much deception these days, that is why i asked: are these the times of the "dajal" |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| humble_muslim |
| 11/09/03 at 12:33:44 |
| AA I don't know who did this, and I'm not accusing anyone. But it was definetly muslims (non muslims are not willing to blow themselves up for political reasons), and they will defintely go to hell forever. And I pray that Allah SWT exposes and humiliates them to the whole world, Ameen. |
| NS |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| Maliha |
| 11/09/03 at 21:14:52 |
| [slm] Astaghfirullah HumbleMuslim...it was *definitely* Muslim? how sure are you? May Allah help us bite our tongues and practice silence when we have nothing positive to say. This is indeed sad..and may Allah protect our souls,and keep us from being divided in crucial times as these.... brother you may wanna revisit some history books and see the lengths despots would go to, to stay in power...you may wanna read about the dealings of CIA, Mossad, and others (even the puppet regimes put up by them), written by *NON* muslims who have the guts and eyes to see the deception painted on the whole world. don't be fooled and *definitely* don't fall into the "righteous" "good" muslim trap of jumping to denounce other muslims every chance you get. May Allah guide us all.. (Amin). your sis in struggle. [wlm] |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| humble_muslim |
| 11/09/03 at 22:52:45 |
| AA There IS nothing positive to say. The muslim ummah has reached an all time low today. And the best Jihad is to speak the truth in front of a tyrant. I will NOT keep my head in the sand any longer. Why am I sure that it was done by muslims? 1. It was a suicide attack. In case you hadn't noticed, kuffar love this life and would never give up their lives for the "cause". Whereas it's an easy option for the muslims. 2. We have the example of the khawarij, who were the most pious muslims of thier time, who TWISTED the deen enough to justify the murder of Ali. 3. There are certain ayats in the Quran about killing the hypocrites which could be taken out of context to justify this attack. I could go on about this, but prefer not to. May Allah SWT protect the innocent, and accept all these who were killed as shaheeds, ameen. |
| NS |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| bhaloo |
| 11/09/03 at 23:18:32 |
| [slm] [quote author=The humble muslim link=board=ummah;num=1068334357;start=0#8 date=11/09/03 at 12:33:44]I don't know who did this, and I'm not accusing anyone. But it was definetly muslims (non muslims are not willing to blow themselves up for political reasons), and they will defintely go to hell forever. And I pray that Allah SWT exposes and humiliates them to the whole world, Ameen.[/quote] Astarghfullah!!!!! Who are you to say who will go to hell and who won't? It is prohibited for a person to say "such and such" is for Jannah or for Jahannam or that he is a kaafir. How can you even say this. The Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) said: "There were two men who were living as brothers; one of them was sinful, while the other stove very much to perform his devotion to Allah. The striver (after good) would continuously see the other in sin, and so he would continuously advise him to leave it. The sinner retorted: 'Leave me, by my Lord- are you sent as a watcher over me?' worshipper said: 'By Allah, Allah will not forgive you, or (he said) Allah will not make you enter Jannah. After their souls were taken, they were brought together before Allah, so He said to the striver: 'Did you have knowledge of Me, or are you able to do what is in My Hand?' Allah said to the sinner 'Go to Jannah by my Mercy and said to the other "Take him to the fire (of Jahannam)'. " [Abu Dawood and Ahmad] ;==================================== I completely agree with Maliha and Timbuktu. Humble Muslim some of the things you are saying are way out of line and completely inappropriate. Don't falsely accuse Muslims. There are certainly kuffar who are willing to advance their agenda and kill themselves. Through the ages there have been people willing to be sacrificed willingly to their "gods". And you should read up on zionist activities and the things they plan and do. Don't falsely accuse other Muslims of doing this. We have no idea what happened. This is a kind of extremism to start falsely accusing others of such a heinous crime. I really am shocked at what you put up. |
| NS |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| timbuktu |
| 11/09/03 at 23:24:10 |
| [quote author=The humble muslim link=board=ummah;num=1068334357;start=10#10 date=11/09/03 at 22:52:45]Why am I sure that it was done by muslims? 1. It was a suicide attack. In case you hadn't noticed, kuffar love this life and would never give up their lives for the "cause". Whereas it's an easy option for the muslims. 2. We have the example of the khawarij, who were the most pious muslims of thier time, who TWISTED the deen enough to justify the murder of Ali. 3. There are certain ayats in the Quran about killing the hypocrites which could be taken out of context to justify this attack.[/quote] brother humble muslim: 1. Have you heard of the Kamikaze pilots, & more recently the Tamil Tigers? They were/ are kuffar, & have laid/ are willing to lay down their lives for their political cause. 2. What is this group that has carried out the attack? I don't know how to put it, but the researches of some people revealed that there were plans in the operational stage to start new schisms & sects, & to rear possible mehdis. You see the Zionists, the fundamentalist Christians, & the muslims are agreed that the coming of the Messiah is near. The Zionists/ Cabbalists are in a hurry to have everything in place. They calculate dates from the Torah, according to the alphabet, & they have come across some date by which the Messiah must appear, & some events must have taken place by then. My late friend had done quite a lot of work on this, & I saw some work by American, Canadian & Indian authors as well, but i am not one for remembering details or references. & i guess you know the fundamentalist-Christian stand on this. what i am saying is that these days everything is so topsy-turvy, so convoluted, & there is so much deception that without Allah's (swt) guidance we cannot hope to know the truth. I think we need to do prostration before Allah in the wee hours, for many nights at least, & ask him to guide us, or else we may be led astray. it is not only creation of diversionary groups, but mind-control, advertising, selective media projection. I am sure you know more. how do we ascertain the truth? only by turning to Allah. |
| 11/10/03 at 03:12:44 |
| timbuktu |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| humble_muslim |
| 11/10/03 at 09:12:32 |
| AA Everything I say is based on what the Shariah says. Quran 4:93 If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him. This is what I am repeating in my statemnet : that whoever had anything to do with these attacks falls into this category. And the Prophet(SAW) also said something like : "Do not become disbelivers after me by killing each other". As for suicide bombers : I can't find the ayat, but there is an ayat of the quran which says that no-one loves the life of this world more than the jews. Not exactly a pre-cursor for wanting to kill yourself, is it? The agenda of the kuffar is to make the most of this life. Why would anyone want to kill themselves for that? I stand by what I say : I fear Aallah SWT only, and he orders me to stand up for justice even if its against my own kith and kin. So once again, I pray that Allah SWT condemns all those who had anything to do with this heinous crime against belivers to the fire of hell forever, Ameen. BTW, why is there almost no empathy for the victims and their families in this thread? Isn't that the really important thing? Or are we just using this whole thing as an excuse for our continual belief that the kuffar are responsible for all our problems? |
| NS |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| bhaloo |
| 11/10/03 at 09:40:08 |
| [slm] [quote author=The humble muslim link=board=ummah;num=1068334357;start=10#13 date=11/10/03 at 09:12:32]Everything I say is based on what the Shariah says. [/quote] No, it is not! Who told you it was Muslims that did it, that is what your accusation is, and that is what has offended people on here. That is your claim, what principle of shariah did you apply? I don't know ANY scholar of Islam that says such and such person is going to the hell fire, except those people by name that are specifically mentioned in the Quran. So who are you to say such and such person will go to the hell fire? And we are not talking about Jews, we are talking about Zionists. I've read about how they have trained suicide hijackers in the past. There are many Jews totally against the policies of the zionists. Why don't you make duaa for the Muslims that are being attacked by the kuffar all over the world and end the oppression Muslims are facing in their lands, and ask Allah (SWT) to increase them in imaan and guide them? Something like, May Allah (SWT) grant the Muslims victory over the kuffar that have invaded our lands and guide us to Islam. AMEEN. |
| NS |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| theOriginal |
| 11/10/03 at 10:17:35 |
| [slm] Man...I know people who live in that compound...their doors flew off their hinges, and their windows shattered...they're now living elsewhere :'( This is incredibly sad. Riyadh happens to be one of the most amazing cities, and it does (ironically) feel very safe since it IS the capital of Saudi Arabia. Inna lillahi wa innal ilaihi raaji'un. Wasalaam. |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| humble_muslim |
| 11/10/03 at 10:58:23 |
| AA Bhaloo, I am quoting you ayats directly from the Quran, very straightforward ayats. The Quran is saying that whoever kills a believer will go to hell forever. Period. Why the ifs, buts, etcs? If we're going to talk about scholars, Ibn Abbas (RA) said that even if a murderer does tawba, it will not be accepted from him because he cannot get the forgivness of the one he murdered, since he is already dead. Why are you so reluctant to curse the perpretators of this heinous act? And how can you say zionists are not jews? Not all jews are zinists, but all zionists are jews. I believe what Allah SWT says, and he says the jews love the life of this world more than anyone, even more than the mushriks. I follow the Quran and Sunnah as much as I can, and base what I say on that. If you want, I could bring some out some of the sterner verses in the Quran to show how they could have been easily twisted by the wackos to justify thier actions. |
| NS |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/10/03 at 11:53:26 |
| has anyone implicated the jews on any of the news services? or are they just the standard go to guys? |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/10/03 at 12:02:32 |
| from timbuktu: 2. What is this group that has carried out the attack? I don't know how to put it, but the researches of some people revealed that there were plans in the operational stage to start new schisms & sects, & to rear possible mehdis. You see the Zionists, the fundamentalist Christians, & the muslims are agreed that the coming of the Messiah is near. The Zionists/ Cabbalists are in a hurry to have everything in place. They calculate dates from the Torah, according to the alphabet, & they have come across some date by which the Messiah must appear, & some events must have taken place by then. My late friend had done quite a lot of work on this, & I saw some work by American, Canadian & Indian authors as well, but i am not one for remembering details or references. & i guess you know the fundamentalist-Christian stand on this. Timbuktu, Not all fundamentalist Christians thinks in the terms you are implying, it would be more the loudmouth headline grabbers. I would consider myself a fundamentalist Christian and i do not think we are in the last days (at least imminently). I do not consider the creation of a jewish state a definitive sign of the last days either. It would take more explaining but this is a muslim website and I try to keep my religion out of it, but thought that i would give a little more info for your edification. |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| Tesseract |
| 11/10/03 at 12:42:18 |
| Assalamu 'alaikum, [quote]AA Of course muslims did this! Who else does suicide bombings? Anyone ever heard of the khawarij? They were the most "pious" muslims of their time, yet they killed the Aamir ul Muslimeen, the cousin of the Prophet(SAW), the son in law of the Prophet(SAW), one of the first to accept Islam, just for their own political gains. So to these modern day Khawarrij, what's a few ordinary muslims? May Allah punish all those who had anything to do with this attack by putting them in the torment of hell fire forever, ameen, ameen, ameen. And may he root out their plans and give them utter disgrace in this world, in front of the whole world. [/quote] [quote]AA I don't know who did this, and I'm not accusing anyone. But it was definetly muslims (non muslims are not willing to blow themselves up for political reasons), and they will defintely go to hell forever. And I pray that Allah SubHana Wa Ta`ala exposes and humiliates them to the whole world, Ameen. [/quote] [quote]AA There IS nothing positive to say. The muslim ummah has reached an all time low today. And the best Jihad is to speak the truth in front of a tyrant. I will NOT keep my head in the sand any longer. Why am I sure that it was done by muslims? 1. It was a suicide attack. In case you hadn't noticed, kuffar love this life and would never give up their lives for the "cause". Whereas it's an easy option for the muslims. 2. We have the example of the khawarij, who were the most pious muslims of thier time, who TWISTED the deen enough to justify the murder of Ali. 3. There are certain ayats in the Quran about killing the hypocrites which could be taken out of context to justify this attack. I could go on about this, but prefer not to. May Allah SubHana Wa Ta`ala protect the innocent, and accept all these who were killed as shaheeds, ameen[/quote] [quote]AA Everything I say is based on what the Shariah says. Quran 4:93 If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him. This is what I am repeating in my statemnet : that whoever had anything to do with these attacks falls into this category. And the Prophet(SAW) also said something like : "Do not become disbelivers after me by killing each other". As for suicide bombers : I can't find the ayat, but there is an ayat of the quran which says that no-one loves the life of this world more than the jews. Not exactly a pre-cursor for wanting to kill yourself, is it? The agenda of the kuffar is to make the most of this life. Why would anyone want to kill themselves for that? I stand by what I say : I fear Aallah SubHana Wa Ta`ala only, and he orders me to stand up for justice even if its against my own kith and kin. So once again, I pray that Allah SubHana Wa Ta`ala condemns all those who had anything to do with this heinous crime against belivers to the fire of hell forever, Ameen. BTW, why is there almost no empathy for the victims and their families in this thread? Isn't that the really important thing? Or are we just using this whole thing as an excuse for our continual belief that the kuffar are responsible for all our problems?[/quote] I don't know if you are a scholar or not, but one should be very careful with his/her words. Lets forget who they are, whether Muslims or Non-Muslims. Tell me, how do u know that they will not be guided to Islam before their death if they are Non-Muslims and will definitely go to Jahannam, or if they are Muslims, they will not repent sincerely for their sins before their death, and Allah will accept their repentance? I am quoting a few Ahadeeth from Riyad-us-Saliheen, what do u have to say about these? Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) narrated: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "He who repents before the sun rises from the west, Allah will forgive him". [Muslim]. `Abdullah bin `Umar bin Al-Khattab (May Allah be pleased with them) reported that: The Prophet (PBUH) said, "Allah accepts a slave's repentance as long as the latter is not on his death bed (that is, before the soul of the dying person reaches the throat)". [At-Tirmidhi, who categorised it as Hadith Hasan]. Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) reported: Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said, "Allah, the Exalted, smiles at two men, one of them killed the other and both will enter Jannah. The first is killed by the other while he is fighting in the Cause of Allah, and thereafter Allah will turn in mercy to the second and guide him to accept Islam and then he dies as a Shaheed (martyr) fighting in the Cause of Allah.'' [Al-Bukhari and Muslim] |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| Yasin |
| 11/10/03 at 12:48:12 |
| Assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters. All of us , we came to know the incident throught media and i think no one of us was present in riyadh ( i mean in the area and was the witness of the incident) to tell us what happen exactly . We know that , suicide missions are always carried out in HARD TARGET not soft targets. so, this incident was not A SUICIDE MISSION. We can blame anyone,but we've ask ourself who we'll get maximum benefit out of it . It could be SAUDI GOVERMENT want simpathy form US goverment,because since SEPT 11 US was thinking about TO CHANGE SAUDI MONARCHY. last sunday i was watching late edition , where they invite one of the DEMOCRAT CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENCY. he mentions some of his intentions to change SAUDI MONARCHY. It could be KUFFARS (cia ,mosad and others), who want to put the fire in our ummah , to get bussy for ourself and forget our enemy. these are one of the possibilities , it could WRONG or RIGHT..But , i would ask bro humble muslim...why you put the blame on muslims? what they'll get for killing innocent muslims ( i'll agree with you if the victims were saudi royals) wasalaam |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| lucid9 |
| 11/10/03 at 13:32:15 |
| [slm] Hey guys, don't beat up on Humble Muslim. Whatever his faults, he is a wonderful brother. He is sensitive, not egotistical and possess lots of common sense. For his humility he is my favorite person on this board. May Allah guide us all and bless us all with wisdom and patience and appreciation of his law. [slm] |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/10/03 at 13:48:50 |
| Posted by: Yasynca Posted on: Today at 12:48pm Assalamu alaikum brothers and sisters. All of us , we came to know the incident throught media and i think no one of us was present in riyadh ( i mean in the area and was the witness of the incident) to tell us what happen exactly . We know that , suicide missions are always carried out in HARD TARGET not soft targets. so, this incident was not A SUICIDE MISSION. what does hard target and soft target mean? can you give some examples of a hard target and a soft one? ie was the jordanian embassy a hard one? or the red cross a hard one? or an israeli bus a hard or soft? Was the towers hard or soft. I guess the UUS Cole and the pentagon were hard targets. I would say something about Hamayoun (one of my favorites also) but I am not sure me giving a thumbs up to him would help or hurt the conversation, but he and hanif were the 1st ones to extend their hand in friendship to me and would consider them to be some of the most excellent muslims i have had the pleasure of knowing on here. |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| sofia |
| 11/10/03 at 17:24:29 |
| [slm] Innal-lillaahi wa inna ilayhi raje'oon. I haven't been keeping up with the "spin," but aren't we all basically saying the same thing here (can't speak for Mike): that Muslims, in the true sense of the word, wouldn't be capable of doing something like this? And that the state of this ummah has been a sad reminder for some time now (despotic rulers, Muslims not adhering to the teachings of Islaam, etc)? May Allah strengthen us all in emaan, taqwaa and good deeds, and join our hearts as one ummah. Muslim or not, whoever came up with this plot and whoever carried it out, mannn, would [i]not[/i] wanna be them. Allahu A'lim. [color=green]Verily, this brotherhood of yours is a single brotherhood, and I am your Lord and Cherisher...[/color] Translation of the Qur'aan 21:92. [color=green]When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we are only the peace makers!" Indeed, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise not.[/color] Translation of the Qur'aan 2:11-12. [color=green]...They plot and plan, and Allah too plans; and the best of planners is Allah.[/color] Translation of the Qur'aan, 8:30. [color=green]They swear by Allah that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they did it after accepting Islam; and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them with a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them. [/color] Translation of the Qur'aan 9:47. |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| bhaloo |
| 11/10/03 at 21:28:14 |
| [slm] [quote author=The humble muslim link=board=ummah;num=1068334357;start=10#16 date=11/10/03 at 10:58:23]Bhaloo, I am quoting you ayats directly from the Quran, very straightforward ayats. The Quran is saying that whoever kills a believer will go to hell forever. Period. Why the ifs, buts, etcs? If we're going to talk about scholars, Ibn Abbas (RA) said that even if a murderer does tawba, it will not be accepted from him because he cannot get the forgivness of the one he murdered, since he is already dead. Why are you so reluctant to curse the perpretators of this heinous act? [/quote] In Ibn Kathir's tafsir of this verse, after citing Ibn Abbas's opinion that you mentioned above, the following is mentioned: However, the majority of scholars of the earlier and later genarations said that the killer's repentance can be accepted. If he repents, and goes back to Allah humbly, submissively, and performing righteous deeds, then Allah will change his evil deeds into good deeds and compensate the deceased for his loss by rewarding him for his suffering. Allah said, R [æóÇáøóÐöíäó áÇó íóÏúÚõæäó ãóÚó Çááøóåö ÅöáóÜåóÇ ÁóÇÎóÑó] (And those who invoke not any other god along with Allah), until, [ÅöáÇøó ãóä ÊóÇÈó æóÁóÇãóäó æóÚóãöáó ÚóãóáÇð ÕóÜáöÍÇð] (Except those who repent and believe, and do righteous deeds). The Ayah we just mentioned should not be considered abrogated or only applicable to the disbelievers [who become Muslim], for this contradicts the general, encompassing indications of the Ayah and requires evidence to support it. Allah knows best. Allah said, [Þõáú íÚöÈóÇÏöìó ÇáøóÐöíäó ÃóÓúÑóÝõæÇú Úóáóì ÃóäÝõÓöåöãú áÇó ÊóÞúäóØõæÇú ãöä ÑøóÍúãóÉö Çááøóåö] (Say: "O My servants who have transgressed against themselves! Despair not of the mercy of Allah). This Ayah is general, covering all types of sins, including Kufr, Shirk, doubt, hypocrisy, murder, sin, and so forth. Therefore, everyone who repents sincerely from any of these errors, then Allah will forgive him. Allah said, [Åöäøó Çááøóåó áÇó íóÛúÝöÑõ Ãóä íõÔúÑóßó Èöåö æóíóÛúÝöÑõ ãóÇ Ïõæäó Ðóáößó áöãóä íóÔóÂÁõ] (Verily, Allah forgives not that partners should be set up with Him (in worship), but He forgives except that (anything else) to whom He wills). This Ayah is general and includes every sin except Shirk, and it has been mentioned in this Surah, both after this Ayah and before it, in order to encourage hope in Allah, and Allah knows best. It is confirmed in the Two Sahihs, that an Israeli killed one hundred people then he asked a scholar, "Is it possible for me to repent'' So he replied, "What is there that would prevent you from repentance'' So he told him to go to another land where Allah was worshipped. He began to emigrate to it but died on the way, and the angel of mercy was the one to take him. Although this Hadith is about an Israeli, it is even more suitable for the Muslim community that their repentance be accepted. Indeed, Allah relieved Muslims from the burdens and restrictions that were placed on the Jews, and He sent our Prophet with the easy Hanifiyyah way (Islamic Monotheism). As for the honorable Ayah, [æóãóä íóÞúÊõáú ãõÄúãöäÇð ãøõÊóÚóãøöÏÇð] (And whoever kills a believer intentionally), Abu Hurayrah and several among the Salaf said that this is his punishment, if Allah decides to punish him. And this is the case with every threat that is issued for every sin. For instance, there could be good deeds that this person has done that would prevent him from being punished for that, and Allah knows best. Even if the murderer inevitably enters the Fire -- as Ibn `Abbas stated because his repentance was not accepted, or he did not have good deeds to save him, he will not remain there for eternity, but only for a long time. There are Mutawatir Hadiths stating that the Messenger of Allah said, «Åöäøóåõ íóÎúÑõÌõ ãöäó ÇáäøóÇÑö ãóäú ßóÇäó Ýöí ÞóáúÈöåö ÃóÏúäóì ÐóÑøóÉò ãöäú ÅöíãóÇä» (Whoever has the least speck of faith in his heart shall ultimately depart the Fire.) ;============================================= Mashallah, brother Bulwark of Islam mentions some hadiths on repentance, there is also the famous one about the man that killed 100 and his repentance was accepted (see p.15 of the book I want to Repent But...). [quote] And how can you say zionists are not jews? Not all jews are zinists, but all zionists are jews. I believe what Allah SWT says, and he says the jews love the life of this world more than anyone, even more than the mushriks. [/quote] Actually that's not true, there are christian zionists as well, and these people are really scary. Here's an article on them: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/opinion/08_10_03_d.asp My whole problem with your posts in this thread is that you are accusing Muslims of this act, when there is no proof as to who did it. There is no reason to blame anyone until there is proof. We weren't there, so we don't know what happened. Its bad enough that as Muslims we are oppressed all over the world and in the west, there's no need to start blaming each other for this crime. This is a time when Muslims should be coming together. |
| NS |
| hi, hyper & humble muslim |
|---|
| timbuktu |
| 11/10/03 at 22:26:25 |
| [slm] did my posts come out as "beating up on Humble Muslim"? if so, i am sorry, i apologise. we do have serious internal problems; and we should be looking at them, & debating them, so that we can find a way forward. but at the same time we have to recognise that external factors have played a very important role, & continue to do so, so we must not close our eyes to them. |
| 11/11/03 at 02:07:38 |
| timbuktu |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/10/03 at 22:41:44 |
| with all this information i have to say that the Jannah.org is a great place to hang out. i went to another muslim website and they not only blame muslims but they say that the royal saudis brought it on themselves. Much more civil group here than a lot of other places. |
| Re: Explosion hits Riyadh |
|---|
| jannah |
| 11/11/03 at 03:57:32 |
| [slm] The topic of suicide bombings/martyrdom operations is banned. How many threads do I have to close, how much division and antagonism must proliferate over and over again until u guys get the picture?? :( |
Madinat al-Muslimeen Islamic Message Board |