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| Southern_Italian |
| 11/09/03 at 11:43:44 |
| As a non-Muslim, (I am Catholic), what explains the dispair of much of the Islamic world today? I have specific reasons as to what I believe the problems are but I would like to here open and honest Islamic viewpoints on this. Please do not give me the old adage replies (i.e. blame it on the West, etc.). By doing so, you only fool yourself and mask trying to find solutions to the problems that exist. |
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| theOriginal |
| 11/09/03 at 15:21:57 |
| Welcome to the board. This post is probably going to get moved, but lemme respond to it here, anyway... In short, my opinion is that there is a lack of education and lack of adequate health care. Maybe I can elaborate on it later...depending on where this discussion goes. Peace. |
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| faith |
| 11/09/03 at 20:42:39 |
| [slm] The answers to the ills of the islamic world are many, but basically, it is because the muslims have failed to obey God's commands. Why Calamities and Destructions are Happenning to Muslims? By: Mohamad Sharis Abdul Karim http://www.quraan.com/Tazkiyah/CalamitiesMuslims.asp Dear brothers, one question that may arise in our mind is why are these calamities, and destructions happenning to muslims. Yes, indeed the opressosrs are the wrong doers. They make destruction and kill muslims and steal their properties. On the other side, it is worth for us to look on ourselves so that we can improve our weaknesses. I would like to recite one hadith…and I don’t intend to elaborate on it. Let us hear and we judge it ourselves. The companion ‘Abdullaah Ibn ‘Abbaas r.a., narrated that the Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “Five matters result when five things happen: If people break their covenant with Allaah, He will send an enemy against them; If they rule by other than the Law of Allaah, poverty will spread among them; If they become deceptive in trade, Allaah will deprive them of crops and they will be struck with famine; And if they withhold the payment of Zakaah, they will be struck with drought.”. [At- Tabaraani] In another narration he sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam said: “If they break the covenant of Allaah and His Messenger, Allaah will send an external enemy against them who will seize some of their possessions; If they do not rule by the Book of Allaah, nor attempt to implement everything in it, Allaah will spread enmity among them.” Conversely, obeying Allaah and His Messenger sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam is the source of victory. Allaah says “O you who have believed, if you support Allaah, He will support you [by giving you victory].” [Surah Muhammad Ayah 7] Indeed, Allah give victory to those who deserve it. And most of the times defeat comes from ourselves. One night, Sa’d Ibn Abi Waqqaas, may Allaah be pleased with him, was checking on his army during the battle of Qaadisiyyah. He passed by the tent of one group of soldiers at night and found the men inside praying Qiyaam, or voluntary night-prayer, and remarked: ‘Victory comes from such a tent’ then he passed by another tent and found the men inside sleeping and remarked: ‘Defeat comes from such a tent.’ This was despite the fact that the men who were sleeping only missed a recommended prayer and not an obligatory one; yet Sa’d considered missing this recommended act to be a reason for defeat. Let us avoid destructions, disasters and humiliation. Muslims have experienced to many appalling tragedy in their own land, It was Bosnia, and now Palestine, and tomorrow we never know whose turn. The Prophet sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam was once asked: “Would we be punished by disasters which befall us while we have righteous people amongst us?’ he sallallaahu ‘alaihi wa sallam replied: “Yes, if evil becomes widespread.” Allaah says clearly on this issue in al Quraan: “And fear the Fitnah (affliction and trial, etc.) which affects not in particular (only) those of you who do wrong (but it may afflict all the good and the bad people), and know that Allâh is Severe in punishment". [Surah Al-Anfaal Ayah 25] Therefore, if Muslims truly wish for safety from destruction and given victory, then they must change and improve what is in themselves as Allaah says that which translates as: “For each (person), there are angels in succession, before and behind him. They guard him by the Command of Allâh. Verily! Allâh will not change the good condition of a people as long as they do not change their state of goodness themselves. But when Allâh wills a people's punishment, there can be no turning back of it, and they will find besides Him no protector.”. [Surah Ar-Ra’d Ayah 11] |
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| bhaloo |
| 11/10/03 at 08:21:31 |
| [slm] JO, aren't those a result of most of the Muslims abandoning Islam? ??? Or you have another one of your interesting theories? ??? Faith, I agree completely with you. |
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| NinthMuharram |
| 11/10/03 at 10:40:18 |
| [slm] I agree with Sis Just One. I think she answered the question perfectly . Next time i get this kind of question, i'll answer like you did. Bro Bhaloo, the question is -Ills- of the islamic world. so , one gets ill cause of lack of healthcare. ;) |
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| bhaloo |
| 11/10/03 at 21:47:02 |
| [slm] [quote author=NinthMuharram link=board=madrasa;num=1068424297;start=0#4 date=11/10/03 at 10:40:18] Bro Bhaloo, the question is -Ills- of the islamic world. so , one gets ill cause of lack of healthcare. ;)[/quote] Too many comedians on this board. :D |
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| Musafir |
| 11/11/03 at 23:58:46 |
| [slm] One thing people mistake and misunderstand is difference between " Islamic World" & " Muslim World" Right after Four Rightly Guided Chaliphs (Abu BAcker, Umar, Ethman * Ali RAs ) there has neveb been a Complete Islamic State or Islamic World. yes but we do have today so called Muslim world- which is not even 10% of it was then correct me if I am wrong. but i think we need to rephrase our thoughts . [wlm] |
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| se7en |
| 11/13/03 at 22:12:28 |
| as salaamu alaykum / peace I love when people ask questions though they already have an answer in mind, and though they think they already know the answer I'm gonna give :) Southern Italian, why don't you start by telling us why *you* think there is so much despair in the Muslim world today, and then I'll let you know whether I agree or disagree with you. peace |
| 11/13/03 at 22:12:51 |
| se7en |
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| faith |
| 11/13/03 at 23:15:57 |
| [slm] I noticed how our fellow muslims have either side skirted or being defensive about this issue. Is it because the question was raised by a non-muslim? Why don't we just acknowledge that there is a big problem in the muslim world, and identify these problems. Only then we can start improving ourselves, and then help our brethren, and ummah. Isn't the first step to a solution is to acknowledge the problem? :-) |
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| bhaloo |
| 11/14/03 at 00:18:20 |
| [slm] [quote author=faith link=board=madrasa;num=1068424297;start=0#8 date=11/13/03 at 23:15:57]Isn't the first step to a solution is to acknowledge the problem? :-)[/quote] True, but Se7en brings up a good point. Why would someone that isn't Muslim be asking why are Muslims in this mess? ??? Southern Italian why did you ask this question, what are your intentions? |
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| Nomi |
| 11/15/03 at 00:08:14 |
| Southern_Italian, hope you are doing good. You wrote and i quote [quote] I have specific reasons as to what I believe the problems are but I would like to here open and honest Islamic viewpoints on this [/quote] To me this shows that you've got some insight into Islaam. I think you also have the Holy Qur'an with you from where you learn more about Islaam. Do you have the one in which there is arabic side by English or just the English one? Like if you've got the one that i mentioned then reading Arabic would be difficult for you right? i mean its a foriegn language to many of us Muslims as well. Only 20% Muslims are Arabs and rest of us *80%* are not arabs, myself included. So if you look at the heave amount of devine text in Qur'an can you imagine someone memorizing it "word by word". For an immature it takes 15 continuous hours of reading to finish the Qur'an. Can you imagine millions of people memorizing that heave amount of arabic text? especially when arabic to them is just a foriegn language (not second, foriegn language). Yes thats what another miracle of the Nobel Qur'an is i.e. even children at the age of 12 can memorize ALL of it. In my country (Pakistan) alone there are hords of people who are a living proof of this miracle. Can you think of any other book having that amount of text which people can memorize "word by word"? especially when its not in their native language? Thats one miracle out of many written right there in the Nobel Qur'an, try reading it and you'll know God willing. And you know what our problem is, we Muslim "as a unit" (an Ummah) failed to implement Islaam in our Lives. There are many good Muslims but the bad among us are in majority, you should be concerned about them and we are concerned about them but you see a religion should be judged by its Scripture and not by its people. Like on judgement day God wont ask you what people did BUT what you did in this world. Am i making sence? Islaam was spread by good deeds and morals and not by words so i'm not jotting it down to change you as only God can. Why dont you try to think on these lines that why are people from US, France, china etc converting to Islaam? Is someone making them convert to Islaam on gun-point?? No, thats not the case my respected friend. The fact of the matter is that them who convert do it for God, them who convert give priority to Scripture (Qur'an) not just people. That said, there are good Muslims too, you'll find hords of them here on this board so keep visiting inshaAllah. As a side note, many who come to Islaam (convert) really follow Islaam as it should be and are a living example of Qur'anic teaching, we have many converts to Islaam here on this board too and hords others. You know thats another promise of God which reached us throught Qur'an coming true i.e. God told us Muslims that "if we wont follow Islaam then HE will use people from other nations and religion for Islaam by converting them to it... and we are wittnessing conversions all around. All thanks to God. Looking forward to hearing more from you. Asim Zafar. PS: My friends here will correct my mistakes if i've made any! |
| 11/15/03 at 00:14:15 |
| Nomi |
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