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| a.umar |
| 11/11/03 at 06:50:04 |
| ASSALAMU ALAIKUM, WASSALATU WASSALAMU ALA RASULILLAH WABA'AD, Actually i was distress and devastated about the explosion in Riyard, but honestly as I came to think about the whole issue I came to understand that by Allah who created the heavens and the earth I have no doubt and kaffar, that it was the Americans that are behind the whole thing, because they are trying to make us hate our Muslim brothers thus claiming that the explosion was carried by Al-qaida. Wallahi all I know and believe that a good Muslim cannot do such a thing they are just trying to include the Saudi govt in the war against terrorist they claim to be doing. But a good muslim knows that the Americans are figthing Islam and the Muslims. so all I believe is this is a setup by the Americans and the Saudi govt knows that but being america the god of the Saudi govt they cannot do anything but to put the blame on our muslim brothers calling them all sort of names and trying all they can to paint or rather potray them in bad light. Infact this we all know is part of the Jews conspiracy against Islam, they know they cannot win the war they wage against Islam and the Muslims so they simply resolve to fully involving the muslim countries like saudi in their war against islam which they call war against terrorist. Though it has already been predicted by the Prophet S.A.W. that the christain and the Jew can never have victory on the muslim except if they, the muslims are going to be fighting each other. wassalam, A.umar. RE: NOT A REAL TOPIC. Actually i have seen the reaction of some of my muslim brothers and sister, but unfutunately not too many of them understand my main point. as some do indicate that Usama was once a friend to the Americans and that we the muslims should blaim ourselves for what is currently happening to us aorund the world. well we have to put alot of things into consideration cause the failure of the umma begun since the time of some of our past elders, infact i have to make some little amendmant and observation on my topic in due course for further discussion. A.Umar |
| 11/12/03 at 08:35:05 |
| a.umar |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/11/03 at 11:26:48 |
| sometimes belief and reality are going in the opposite directions |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/11/03 at 15:20:54 |
| I apologize for the short terse remark a. umar. But just like a previous thread making blanket statements against any particular group, weathyer it is muslim jews zionist christians, libertarians who whoever, i would think in my estimation is haram or a sin. If that is not the case then let me know. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/11/03 at 15:24:00 |
| here is Robert Fisk's take on the matter Frightening winds swirl around the House of Saud http://news.independent.co.uk/world...sp?story=462248 Robert Fisk The Independent 11 November 2003 Osama bin Laden has an awful lot of friends in Saudi Arabia. In the mosque, among the disenchanted youth, among the security forces, even – and this is what the West declines to discuss – within the royal family. Saudi ambassadors routinely dismiss these facts as "unfounded", but Sunday's attack in the capital, Riyadh, is part of a growing insurrection against Bin Laden's enemies in the House of Saud. Whether or not the bombers were Saudi security force members – they were certainly wearing Saudi military uniforms – the Riyadh Government's own "war on terror" is now provoking bombings, gun battles and killings almost every day in the kingdom. The enemies of the House of Saud want to make the kingdom ungovernable – just as America's enemies in Iraq want to make its occupation ineffective. Iraqis are still the principal victims of the bombings in Baghdad, just as Saudis were the principal victims on Sunday. Clearly, after years of procrastination, the Saudi authorities are passing on some of their own intelligence to the US. For once, the latest warning from Washington – that al Qaeda's next attack was moving from the "theoretical" to the "operational" stage was spot on the mark. But the Saudi royal family – that part still desperate for US assistance – provided plenty of reasons during the Anglo-American invasion of Iraq for their Arab enemies to attack them. For although they publicly said the US would not use Saudi military facilities during the war, they allowed the Americans to direct 2700 air sorties a day from the Prince Sultan Air Base – far more damagingly, they gave secret permission for 200 US aircraft at the base to fly 700 combat missions over Iraq daily. The Jordanians suspect the bombing of their embassy in Baghdad was retaliation for a secret military operation in which 26 US F/A-18 fighter bombers flew missions from a Jordanian air base to bomb Iraqi air force facilities possibly able to fire missiles at Israel. So, Crown Prince Abdullah, the effective ruler of Saudi Arabia, must be feeling some frightening winds blowing across the Saudi desert. For Bin Laden's aim to destroy the royal family is shared by the American right wing. When Laurent Murawiec, friend of the then US defence policy board chairman Richard Perle, gave his odd but damning assessment of Saudi Arabia as an enemy of the US and the "Kernel of Evil", he might have been Bin Laden spokesman. Murawiec, who works with the Rand corporation and has been an executive editor of Executive Intelligence Revue presented a slide show to the Pentagon last year with titles that included "taking 'Saudi' out of Arabia". He claimed that since 1745, 58 per cent of all Saudi rulers had met a violent demise, that other Arabs consider Saudis "lazy, overbearing, dishonest, corrupt" and that they are "active at every level of the terror chain, from planners to financiers, from cadre to foot-soldier, from ideologist to cheer leader." A suspicion persists in Washington that the Saudi royal family is still trying to compromise with the country's religious hierarchy and its al Qaeda enemies. And Bin Laden's messages are still laced with venom for the House of Saud. Indeed, his original aim is to do what Murawiec demanded: to take the "Saudi" out of Arabia. Could the Americans sit back and watch al Qaeda take over the nation's oil wells? There are those in the House of Saud who fear that now the US is in Iraq, it can – in the event of a revolution – just seize the oil fields in northern Saudi Arabia, leaving Riyadh and other cities to whichever Arabian ruler takes control. |
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| BroHanif |
| 11/11/03 at 17:14:12 |
| Salaams, Over 11 killed, 100 injured and we are back at Sq 1, lets blame the Jews and America for everything. Heck I had headached today so I'm blaming America for that, I was delayed in Traffic so I'm blaming the Jews for that. But then everything that goes wrong heck thats the fault of America and we might as well blame everyone else but ourselves. Get it over it people. Salaams Hanif |
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| faith |
| 11/11/03 at 22:50:14 |
| [slm] I agree with you, bro Hanif, that we should look at the wrongs of our own kind before blaming others. We must realise that we are now living in the times of Fitan (trials and tribulations) mentioned in various hadiths, and that we should prepare ourselves in our deen (religion, way of life) to overcome this tribulation. In this day and age, the tounge is deadlier than the sword! Muslims are being labelled terrorists by the western media and are accepted as facts by others! If you read the hadith, you will realise that the hadith says, "there will be a fitan that will cleanse the Arabs, its dead will be in Hell", then you will re-think, it is possible that the suicide bombings, 911, are committed by muslims.... But whoever committed these atrocities should be in Hell... In the mean time, let us strive to become "one of faith with no hypocrisy" :) Some Ahadith About the Jazira and Fitan Before the Day of Judgment Ali Al-Timimi as-Salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu: I though it might be beneficial that we reflect on some of the ahadith regarding fitan in the Jazira prior to the Day of Judgment. Of course, we should remember that only Allah knows when these events will pass. My reference is at-Tuwaijari's Itihaf al-Jama'a, I, pp. 75-81 (may Allah be merciful with him): Chapter: What Has been Related Regarding a Fitna that Will Sweep the Arabs Away Upon 'Abdullah b. Amr (may Allah be pleased with them both) who said: The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) said: There will be a fitna that will clean (tastanzifu) the Arabs, its dead will be in Hell. During which the tongue will be more severe (ashadd) than a blow of the sword. Reported by Ahamd, Abu Dawud, at-Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah. At-Tirmidhi said that this hadith is gharib. At-Tuwaijari then comments on the narrators of this narration and after concluding that the hadith is hasan he proceeds to explain it as follows: [Regarding the Prophet's] statement "cleans the Arabs," Ibn al-Athir and Ibn al-Manzur [my note: Ibn al-Athir is the scholar who wrote an-Nihaya fi Gharib al-Hadith, a dictionary on uncommon words found in hadith texts; Ibn al-Manzur is the author of the famous Lisan al-Arab.] have said: It means it will encompass them in destruction. It is said [in Arabic]: istanzafat ash-shay', if you take it all. ... . While Ali al-Qari has said in al-Mirqat [my note: al-Mirqat is a commentary of Mishkat al-Masabih]: It has been said that it means it will purify them from filth (al-ardhal) [my note: perhaps here it is best translated as sins] and the people of al-fitan. I (i.e. at-Tuwajari) say: This [second] opinion is strong in light of the evidence, even though the first opinion is stronger in light of the [Arabic] language. What bears witness to what al-Qari has said is what has been mentioned regarding the fitna known as ad-duhaima' [my note: ad-duhaima' means black and dark, at-Tuwaijiri gives a lengthy discussion on the meaning of this word on pages 55-56.]. [Where the Prophet said]: It will not leave any single individual of this umma but slap him on the cheek. In [the hadith on the duhaima' fitna, the Prophet] said: "Until the people become two camps: one of faith with no hypocrisy and one of hypocrisy with no faith." At-Tuwaijri continues: This shows that the duhaima' fitna will clean the believers from the people of fitan, doubt and hypocrisy; not that it will annihilate them completely. And the duhaima' fitna is the greatest fitna that will occur prior to the appearance of the Antichrist. At-Tuwaijri then continues: [Further] evidence that the fitna will not consume all the Arabs is what Muslim reports in his sahih and at-Tirmidhi in his Jami' upon Jabir b. Abdullah (may Allah be pleased with them both) who said: Umm Sharik informed that she heard the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) say: The people will flee from Dajjal to the mountains. Umm Sharik said: O Messenger of Allah where will be the Arabs that day? He replied: They will be few. At-Tirmidhi said: This hadith is Hasan-Sahih Gharib. At-Tuwaijari then cites another hadith in Ibn Majah of the same meaning as the one above but with the Prophet's reply being: "They [i.e., the Arabs] will be few, most of them that day will be in Jerusalem, their imam will be a righteous man..." The hadith then continues to describe the descent of Jesus. At-Tuwaijari then cites another evidence that not all the Arabs will be annihilated in the Prophet's hadith in al-Bukhari and Muslim that the Banu Tamim will be most severe of his umma against the Antichrist. At-Tuwaijari then comments, "The Banu Tamim is a large tribe of Arabs." He then relates the hadith reported by al-Hakim regarding the peace between the Muslims and ar-Rum (Christian Europe) to fight a common enemy and the victory of the Muslims over that enemy, followed by the treachery of the Europeans against the Muslim expeditionary force. In the hadith after the Europeans treacherously massacre the Muslim contingent they say to their boy-king, "We have sufficied you the edge of the Arabs." In other words, we have ended their ability to attack/fight. The hadith then describes how after defeating the Arab army, they will then rally their forces to attack the Middle East coming under eighty banners, under each banner twelve thousand soldiers. (80 x 12,000 = 960, 000 men!) After discussing the hadith's isnad, at-Tuwaijari points out that the proof is the reference to the Arabs which shows that the Great War (al-Malhama al-Kubra) [my note: to which they refer to as Armageddon] will between the Arabs and Europe. He then relates a hadith from Ahmad and others that the Prophet (sallallahu alaihi wa sallam) said: The Great War, and the conquest of Constantinople, and the appearance of the Antichrist will [all occur] within seven months [of each other]. At-Tuwaijari then surmises that "these four ahadith all indicate that a large number of Arabs will remain after the great fitna mentioned at the beginning of the chapter. Upon this, [the Prophet's] statement, "clean the Arabs," means that it will consume most of them in destruction. The juxtaposition of the majority when saying all is prevalent in Arabic. And Allah knows best." As for the Prophet's statement: That its dead will be in Hell. At-Tuwajari then explains that some scholars have interpreted this to mean that since they did not intend by fighting to raise Allah's word, or push back an injustice, or assist the people of the truth; but rather they sought to show off and sought wealth and power (al-mulk), they are in Hell. At-Tuwaijari then mentions a number of hadith about fighting under a "blind" banner (rayah 'immiya), i.e., a call of blind partisanship, be it tribal, national, etc. At-Tuwaijari then explains how the tongue during this fitna is more severe than the sword as follows: "The confirmation of this is seen in our times in the spread of radio broadcasts and newspapers in all corners of the earth. The tongues of those who speak through [these media], insulting, bellitting, mentioning the faults of those who disagree with them, spreading fitan, and whipping up hatred and animosities is much greater than the blow of the sword." At-Tuwaijari then continues by saying: "This fitna [which will clean the Arabs] has yet to occur, and perhaps it is the duhaima' fitna which will occur just prior to the appearance of the Antichrist." He then mentions a number of hadith which tie a deaf, blind fitna and the destruction of the Arabs. One hadith has the wording, "Woe to the Arabs of an evil drawing nigh, its shadow has fallen on [them] by the Lord of the Kaaba, its shadow has fallen on them." I.e., drawn close so that it is as if its shadow is casted upon them. Some of these hadith mention that the fitna will occur due to competing claims of jahiliya, i.e., call of nationalism, tribalism, etc. At-Tuwajari then remarks: "Much death and killing has occurred in our times due to the call of jahiliya especially due to the removal of the imama and the khilafa and it being replaced by jumhuriyas." (jumhuriya is normally translated as republic, but hear it has a broader meaning to include all governments of the slogan/type for the people, by the people). He continues: "This is the pure resemblance of the infidel nations and following their ways as one sandal resembles the other. It is not far-fetched that the duhaima' fitna will be due to such call of jahiliya. Refuge is sought with Allah from the fitan." He then concludes with a couple of hadith regarding the fitna in general and the eventually total war with Europe. I also remember that elsewhere in his book he ties the duhaima' fitna with the drying up/retraction of the Euphrates and its uncovering a mountain of gold. http://www.islaam.com/Article.aspx?id=191 |
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| panjul |
| 11/11/03 at 22:51:08 |
| [slm] If people can't believe that "good muslims" arent' capable of doing such things, then how about realizing that the "bad muslims" are definately capable of such things? Even during Ramadan. The House of Saud aren't my favorite either. But the bombing in Riyadh was a really stupid move by whatever Muslim group did it. The Saudis have shot themselves in the foot. First of all, for giving an excuse to the non-Muslims to come and "liberate" them in the near future (God forbid), with bombs and a hail of bulletts. The House of Saud has also shot itself in the foot by being such a close society, really, a police state. They need to move fast if they care for their people and the ummah. An assault on the homeland of the Prophet, wether it's done by Muslims or non-Muslims, is an assault on the Ummah. Instead of blaming *everything* on the Jews, non-Muslims and America, do something to positive to change the disgusting situation the Muslims are in. (I am in no way justifying current Iraq war nor some of the henious crimes the west has committed agains the Muslims.) As far as I'm concerned, the blame does not lie entirely on anyone. It is the fault of both Muslims and non-Muslims. We have stupid people on all sides, starting from the colonial period. (well, well beyond that, but you get my point.) Aren't we ashamed yet, that thousands upon thousands of our Muslim brothers and sisters have been murdered, raped, and made homeless? And for what? For what cause? Why did we allow oursevels to fall so low? How can we sit and take a beating, day after day, from misguided Muslims and power hungry non-Muslims and not do a thing about it? The Riyadh bombing enraged me as much as the 9/11 attacks. In fact, I even had a nightmare the other day. I was trying to hide from a monster that I had never seen. In the dream I think that the monster is a non-Muslim, but when I come face to face with him, he doen'st even know that I am right there in front of him and I breathe a sigh of relief that God's protected me from him. The monster seemed very familiar. Turned out he was a Muslim and a human. (Before that, i had British war planes drop bombs on me.) One day, all the good people in the world, the Muslims and the non-Muslims will regret their laziness and their willingness to let corrupt people rule over them. An individual feels helpless. But if people unite, who can stop them? The same people that are getting away with so much stuff will be the helpless ones. A minority of people, on both sides is dictating the agend, an agenda of hatred and mistrust, an agenda of power and greed. The good people on both sides, are the fuel for their power and their greed. What would Bush have done, if most of the people would have not gone to work for a chosen one day? Would he have gone ahead with the bombing in the face of such strong opposition? The demos. were good, but they had not back bone to it. It was like a fish out of water. What can the House of Saud do, if the people of Arabia marched on to Mecca and reclaimed the land for the people? There goes Al Qaid's agenda..... They got what they wanted. Can you imagine a scenario like this all over the world? *sigh* Maybe I'm dreaming again while in lab. |
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| Halima |
| 11/11/03 at 22:56:54 |
| I agree with BroHanif. I was watching CNN and this Saudi guy (I was not interesed his name and position in the government though it was displayed) went on and on and on about Al-Qaida bla bla bla... It was soo pitiful I sometimes wonder if such people are even aware of what they are saying. The Saudi government really leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Subhanallah! When will this government have a backbone? When will it do things its way without impressing the west ? When will it take responsibility for all the idiotic things it is doing to its own masses? And when will the Saudi people take control of their own destiny? Excusing a bad Muslim government for the sake of Islam does cut it any more. When all is said and done, the Saudi government is part of the bad. Burying our heads in the sad and looking the other way does not and will not change that. Continuous blaming of others will only worsen the situation and we will be no different from the Saudi government. Please, for once, lets be honest with ourselves, if no other reason but for Allah's sake. Halima |
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| tincanman |
| 11/12/03 at 01:35:25 |
| Hang on for a bit? We are all giving fatwas about this but do any of us know who did it? No one has admitted to doing it yet, we are just assuming? Any way, if an attack like this happened in America every one would instantly blame Muslims, just like Oklahoma, but if it happens in Saudi Arabia every one will still instantly blame Muslims just like in Oklahoma. So lets sit back for a bit, and wait until we get hold of some reliable information about who did it and what was really done? Do we trust the Saudi Media? No. Do we trust the American Media? No. When a Fasik comes with News do we accept it without checking it? No! |
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| lucid9 |
| 11/12/03 at 02:23:07 |
| [slm] One thing: the people who would most benefit from the collapse of the saudi regime are the neocolonialists. In the ensuing chaos -- they would just scoop up the oil fields in the name of protecting them for the "people of saudia arabia." The whole world would support them because the whole world would be aghast if "al-qaida" were suddenly in control of the richest oil fields on the planet. This is hard to believe: but this is one of the reasons why I tend to believe that you cannot rebel against your ruler (forget the official saudi fatwa). Because if you do, and you are successful -- the ensuing chaos will provide your enemies an ideal opportunity to take from you everything which you value. |
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| timbuktu |
| 11/12/03 at 03:14:17 |
| [slm]thank you hyper, this is what i has made me stop short of supporting anything that leads to destabilisation in the ummah. & yet, people do rise up, & bring about change. Is it only my conclusion that the illusion of change is only temporary? i have a theory about that, too. We are to be tested, so whatever change we try to bring about, will in turn usher in tests. except that our tests are always the same. & thanks also mike. That article by Robert Fisk was indeed enlightening. |
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| lucid9 |
| 11/12/03 at 07:18:03 |
| [slm] A case in point of why rebelling against the government may be a very bad idea is: Question: ask yourself why is UBL America's friend? Answer: because it allows the US to maintain a presence in Pakistan and nextdoor to Pakistan. What's so great about this? It checks pakistani ambitions....AND....in the case that religious extremists topple Musharraf's regime....it gives them them the perfect excuse to swoop down and take over the N-weapon sites and facilities. Everyone in the world would support such action, because the thought of religious nutters with nukes in their hands would cause all the world to wet their pants. But from a more sinister point of view: it would be a fulfillment of Isreali and Indian dreams. Pakistan would no longer be a threat to India -- and would be totally neutralized, and no muslims would have any recourse to advanced weapons when under dire threat from Isreal. This is why I often wonder to myself: are UBL's handlers really the CIA, Mossad and some Indian intelligence agency? Ok, the guys blowing stuff up are muslims -- but what about the guys giving the orders -- the planners and financiars? You have to be very niave to believe that since every one of al qaida's actions are playing into the hands of the neocolonialists, Isreal and India -- that somehow these guys aren't playing a much more sinister role behind the scenes. |
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| tincanman |
| 11/12/03 at 08:18:40 |
| Hang on a minute. Iraq was not invaded during a rebellion? And Afghanistan was invaded during a time when the country was more stable than it had been in many decades. The reason why they were able to invade Iraq was because of airbases in Saudi, Qatar and Kuwait, ground bases in Kuwait and Jordan. The reason why they were able to invade Afghanistan was bases in Uzbekistan and Pakistan. So it is not rebellion that is causing them to attack us, and it is not the regimes that are protecting us from their attacks. It is the other way around, because it is only with the help of these regimes that they have been able to attack, and it is only when these regimes are removed will we be able to protect ourselves from invasions. The solution is all of these leaders need to be removed and replaced with one Khilafah. This statement might seem to be unrealistic to some, but the fact is it is more realistic then to assume the present leaders will do anything to better our situation. At present people are trying to beg the Kaffar in to not invading our nations and it simply doesn’t work. The kufr do not hear our prayers, but Allah does! So it is time to pray to Allah and remove the leaders. And they will only leave office when they leave life. Its time for us to do dawa to our brothers in the armies and it is time for them to remove the Kaffar leaders, by the only means they will be removed. People love looking for spies in our mitts. They all ways seem to pick the only ones who are doing some thing to protect us? And they never pick the ones who openly boost about being agents of the Kaffar? If you want to know whose working for the Indians, the Americans and the Russians it’s not difficult? It was in one of the most prestigious Madrasas in India that a fatwa was given that it is Hallal for Muslims to give and take riba at a time when the Indian government despretly needed loans. When America needed Muslim Soldiers to help invade Afghanistan who gave a fatwa that it was Hallal? Who gave the Fatwa that is was alright for 500 000 American trope to based in the land of the two Musjids? You already know who is working for the Kaffar for Money. India needs fuel to fight the Mujahid in Kashmir, and it will need a lot of it if it ever has a war with Pakistan? Iran sells it fuel. Doesn’t that mean the Iranians are working for the kaffar against Muslims for Money? Jordan gave base to the Kaffar to attack Iraq and it trades with Israel. Israel is in economic collapse. This trade is vital to its survival. So the Jordanians are working for Israel for money. Now almost all the Arab government including Iraq sell the fuel America uses to power the Missiles, Planes and Tanks they use to kill us, so all the Arab rulers are working for the Americans for Money. Even though it means their own suicide. But when it comes to giving the Americans the bases they need to kill us, the Americans can have that for free, because the Americans will not be able to kill us without them Fully loaded Planes can not fly all the way from America carrying bombs. Heavy bombers are too big to fit on aircraft carriers. |
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| bhaloo |
| 11/12/03 at 09:29:08 |
| [slm] Hmmm, I very shocked to say this, but I think this is the first time I agree with hyper. :o |
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| timbuktu |
| 11/12/03 at 10:22:54 |
| [slm] here i don't agree with hyper UBL is not a CIA, Mossad or other agent & tincanman has very strong point, in that the rulers & many high ups in the religious schools may be paid agents. CIA at times does not directly pay the agents. The funds are disbursed through the various think-tanks for studies. An audit of the funds of the Egyptian embassy in Pakistan would be educational. It would reveal payments to some prominent scholars through the embassy, & the funds would be shown to have come from Rand & other US think-tanks. that is why i asked: is it the time of dajal? & we must take action to protect ourselves & seek guidance & protection from Allah. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 11/12/03 at 10:46:39 |
| wow, my head is spinning. But i love your theories. I must be a simpleton. |
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| bhaloo |
| 11/13/03 at 09:36:49 |
| [slm] I need to clarify soemthing, I meant I agree with Hyper's 1st post. The 2nd one, I've heard that theory before (as well as countless others), and while it does make sense, the approach I take is to keep silent on this matter as I do not have knowledge about the situation or the brother. Sorry for any confusion. |
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| timbuktu |
| 11/13/03 at 09:51:06 |
| [slm] mike, these are not just mental exercises. read up on the CIA, Mossad, KGB, & others. I have read, in my day. then, if you can get hold of the embassy papers (papers seized by the Iranian students at the Tehran embassy of the US), & if you read up on the unclassified papers about foreign relations of the UK & the US & what i say about these people paying through various channels, is true. & if you can get into very high corporate circles, your head would spin faster. The higher you get in the world, the less human you become. mike, these wars are tailored, the spin & the lies are incredible, & all for making money for some people. |
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| BroHanif |
| 11/13/03 at 17:31:10 |
| Salaams, Halima & Panjul thank you for your posts, [quote]The demos. were good, but they had not back bone to it. It was like a fish out of water. What can the House of Saud do, if the people of Arabia marched on to Mecca and reclaimed the land for the people? There goes Al Qaid's agenda..... They got what they wanted. Can you imagine a scenario like this all over the world? *sigh* Maybe I'm dreaming again while in lab [/quote] Maybe not in our lifetime or maybe not in Fatimas but it surely is better to have a dream like yours than to kill and twist ourselves with what we are doing to ourselves right now. I miss your intellect and wisdom Panjul. Salaams Hanif |
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