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| bismilla |
| 11/17/03 at 02:24:37 |
| [slm] One (relatively) cold winter's day i put on a woolen hat for my 4 yr old son when he went to Madressah in the morning. I received a message from the Muallimah that it is not allowed and he must wear the "proper" mosque hat. This happened ealier in the year and i have always been meaning to ask if anyone has "proof" of the fact that the "fez" style or the cotton ones you get abundantly in UAE are the only PROPER head gear. What i do know is that to cover the head is not Fardh but a Sunnah practice. Most times people cover their heads according to their country customs or what they perceive to be Islamic tradition. Surely a woolen hat serves the person of covering a males head just as well as a turban or hat with an amama would? (I mean imagine a Kashmiri Muslim walk around with a cotton hat! - he would obviously wear a head covering suitable to his country - ok, it's not even 5% cold here in durbs like it is in Kashmiri, but was just sorta giving an example.) I have been having "issues" with this particular Mulallimah througout the year and thought i HAVE to sort this particular one out before they close next week. So if anyone can, Insha Allah, help with 'proof' on the right and wrong of HATS....it would be greatly appreciated. Jazak Allah. |
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| Shahida |
| 11/19/03 at 04:24:33 |
| [slm] Sis, I don't know why she is making a issue of something so terribly unimportant I cannot believe she would even mention it. Sub7anAllah, this is why we are in the state we are in. I suggest that teacher concentrates on improving the children's knowledge and minds, instead of causing trouble about clothing. Man, she's lucky I am nt your son's mom :o I will try and find some stuff to help you, but I am dumbfounded...speechless... Salam Shahida :-) |
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| Halima |
| 11/20/03 at 00:25:45 |
| Hmm.... and here I was thinking the Madrassa teachers at my sons' Madrassa were going over board with somethings! They have banned my boys from wearing T-Shirts in Madarassa. I have not yet taken the issue up with them but I was thinking exactly like Shahida! What has a T-Shirt got to do with the learning of Qur'an and getting Ilm? Now I have to find out! Thanks Sis, Bismillah for posting this! Halima |
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| Nomi |
| 11/20/03 at 02:27:25 |
| [slm] Food for thought time!! Did any of you ever thought of sending your kids to whatever *regular* school they go to with a long shirt (not tucked in), baggy pantaloon and a turban? If not, why? If yes then wont the school administration like to have it their way? I mean they'll ask them to wear the proper dress code, right? Now will you sisters be ready to give them earfuls too?? erm.. i dont think so as your kids probly will be expelled. Now if these poor madrassas are wanting to have a significant dress code which is *not* islamically wrong then why this attitude towards them?? [slm] [i](Someone who wears *Formal* 95% of the time but keeps thinking of "something")[/i] |
| 11/20/03 at 06:18:00 |
| Nomi |
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| bismilla |
| 11/20/03 at 04:24:04 |
| [slm] Brother. The issue is not whether or not he should wear a hat. The issue is that who says wot is an appropriate "Islamic" hat to wear to madressah. Like with Hijab, we are told to "cover-up" and that it should be loose-fitting etc. However, Allah SWT has left it upon us to cover up according to our climates and comfort. The Abaya for example, although seen to be "Islamic" is not the only way to cover up loosely. In the same way, there should be more than one way for Brothers to cover your head! Surely if your little one's ears are freezing, it should be fine to cover them up with a nice woolen hat. That, to my mind, is not a contravention in any way what-so-ever of the Islamic dress code. Further, in my opinion, a woolen hat does a better job of coverig the head than most of the recent "Islamic style" hats (ISH) that we get these days. Those ISH basically sit at the top of your skull making a poor effort to cover ANYTHING. So the question once again : in Islam, wot makes a hat an appropriate head covering? |
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| Shahida |
| 11/20/03 at 04:28:53 |
| [slm] Once again bro Nomi is on the worng bus... ::) READ the thread bro, dont jump to conclusions. And please dont mix up the issues to confuse those who sincerely want to help sis Bismilla out. wasalam Shahida :-) |
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| Nomi |
| 11/20/03 at 04:38:16 |
| [slm] [quote author=Shahida link=board=bro;num=1069053877;start=0#5 date=11/20/03 at 04:28:53] Once again bro Nomi is on the worng bus... ::) [/quote] I swear to God i read the thread :$ and btw when was the first time i was on the wrong bus?! or you also do it like me i.e. "Its my fifth time... 4th, 3rd, 2nd and 1st i'll do laterz?" :) And if you are mad at some teacher why take it out on a poor desi, i just had a concern there, nothing much in it. [slm] [i](Someone who rarely wears "any" hat :$ ) [/i] |
| 11/20/03 at 06:19:44 |
| Nomi |
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| Halima |
| 11/20/03 at 06:10:06 |
| My dear brother "whoever you really are", In my case, the point is, the Madarassa my boys attend as NO ISLAMIC DRESS CODE, PERIOD. So, I fail to understand what they have got against t-shirts. But will find out. In school, it is uniform. So, the children wear school uniforms here and the dress code does not arise. Now, if the Madarassa has a particular kind of Islamic uniform which every child as to conform to, THEN BY ALL MEANS, we as parents will. No Sweat. Halima |
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| Nomi |
| 11/20/03 at 23:01:32 |
| [slm] Speaking of warm caps, its winter here in Lahore, Pakistan and couple of days back i was wearing this upper (hood) with the cap on. At taravih time a 21 year old cousin of mine who also goes to the same masjid that i do, came to me, ducked and peeped at my face from down there and was like "heyh heyh heyh, do i know you" Me used the side of the cap to observe "niqaab" and told him that "i dont talk to strangers"... man!! whats with these kids these days ::) Moral: Yes, i think to keep warm one should be allowed to use woolen caps if one wants to but if they dont allow T-Shirts and stuff then this means that they have an "undocumented" dress code as in style of clothing not the color. [slm] Molvi eshtyle |
| 11/20/03 at 23:03:14 |
| Nomi |
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| superFOB |
| 11/24/03 at 04:09:34 |
| [slm] I guess the issue here is what is the accepted dress to wear to a religious institution. Additionally, we must also be mindful of the opinion of the particular institution to which the child is being sent to. It is reported from the Prophet [saw]: "The man will be with those whom he loves. (on the day of judgement)" [Riyadh as-Saliheen- Hadith Mutawatir] "Whoever imitates a people is one of them." [Abu Dawud, Ahmad, Bukhari, also Tabarani and Bazzar] These and many other reports from the early generations stress upon these themes, i.e., imitation of the Prophet [saw] in all matters and staying away from the practices of the non-muslims. Bearing this in mind, its easy to realize the importance of promoting muslim symbols. Kufi is generally accepted as a traditional muslim headgear while other headgear may not be acceptable to some. It might come as a surprise but, baring of hands above and including the elbow is considered makruh by many scholars (by the Hanafis, to be specific) during salaah. In view of the above, we can have some understanding of where the school's management stands on these issues. Another less conspicuous aspect is that the schools are trying to inculcate a sense of humility and love for the Prophet [saw] through a particular dress-code (not a uniform, there is a distinction here). Children don't understand legal rulings, they can only follow a simple regimen. Although these might seem trivial and non-issues, the point is that if someone is lax in trivial matters, they'd probably end up being lax in non-trivial matters as well. The schools are trying to reinforce this idea from the early/formative years of a child so that when they grow up, they won't take liberties with bigger, more important issues. You don't have to subscribe to this worldview though. As far as confronting the management/teachers is concerned, please remember this aayah: "They are hard on disbelievers but humble and modest towards believers (the believers are) merciful among themselves" [Al-Qur'an: Al-Fath (48:29)]. Respect the mu'allimah and the management, they are providing a service when very few want to. Respect their views as well. They, more then any one else, deserve our respect. Be humble and polite when you bring this up with them and give them a patient hearing. If you still remain unconvinced, move your child to another school. |
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