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| timbuktu |
| 12/14/03 at 06:11:26 |
| [slm] [center]Saddam Hussein Captured: Kurdish Officials[/center] BAGHDAD/TEHRAN, December 14 (IslamOnline.net & News Agencies) – Ousted Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was captured in his hometown of Tikrit, reported Iran's official news agency IRNA Sunday, December 14, quoting Iraqi Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani. "Saddam Hussein was arrested in his hometown of Tikrit," the Kurdish leader told IRNA. Agence France-Presse (AFP) quoted unnamed Kurdish sources as confirming that Saddam has been captured in a raid by U.S. forces backed by Kurdish fighters in Tikrit. CNN also confirmed the capture, citing unnamed U.S. officials, but was yet to give any more details. Al-Arabya television correspondent in Tehran also confirmed the capture, adding that the Islamic republic has had a hand in Saddam's capture, but was yet to give further details. The Kurds representative in the U.S.-installed Iraqi Governing Council also confirmed the capture of Saddam. Iraqi U.S. overseer, Paul Bremer, himself confirmed the news, according to Al-Arabya. Another correspondent for the Arabic all news channel reported scenes of celebrations by some Iraqi Kurds in the north of the country, attributing them to the news about Saddam arrest. The Pentagon has not denied nor confirmed the news. |
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| BroHanif |
| 12/14/03 at 06:20:30 |
| Salaams, Don't know whether thats good or bad, but I hope that Saddam found the time to look upon himself and who knows sought Allahs forgiveness. I'm happy that they have captured him alive, at least when in court he can call the devil Rumsfield and his cohorts and ask him why he continued to supply him with lethal arms that killed people. We live in a crazy world. Salaams Hanif |
| 12/14/03 at 06:24:58 |
| BroHanif |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 12/14/03 at 10:16:44 |
| i was wondering... what would the islamic position on God forgiving a mass mrderer. If he sought forgiveness would Allah forgive him for killing a few hundred thousand people in his own country? Why is Rumsfeld called out. The US supplied Iraq with something like less then 10% of their arms. The french, russians, koreans, chinese and germans supplied him with way more arms than the usa. |
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| stap |
| 12/14/03 at 10:48:24 |
| Jihad is fee sabilillah. Not for anyone else. So Saddam's capture is meaningless except to some smug Americans like Bremer, Rumsfeld and the like. Regarding Mike's question, Allah is ghafoor ar rahim, most merciful. There is no one who can say that Saddam Hussein cannot be forgiven by God, because God forgives whomever he likes...with the exception of those who die in a state disbelieving in God or associating partners with him. Such people, as stated in the Quran, will not be forgiven. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 12/14/03 at 11:09:25 |
| Stap, to the million people plus that Saddam has killed , i am sure there is some meaning to the families of those killed who are rejoicing. I am sure Iran is rejoicing. |
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| UmmWafi |
| 12/14/03 at 12:56:37 |
| [slm] Divine knowledge, as the name implies, is knowledge belonging solely to Allah SWT. One such knowledge is who is forgiven and who is not. Wassalam. |
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| stap |
| 12/14/03 at 16:41:11 |
| "Stap, to the million people plus that Saddam has killed"] And how do you know that Saddam has killed a million people? I am not arguing in favor of him but neither do I accept American propaganda as a reliable source of information. |
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| momineqbal |
| 12/14/03 at 17:05:38 |
| [slm], As far as I have learnt Allah forgives every sin that is just between a person and Allah (of course if after a person has asked for it). But if someone else's right is concerned, Allah will not forgive until the dues have been paid to the wronged party or they have forgiven that person, in this life or maybe in the hereafter. But yes, the door of forgiveness is never closed on anyone, however much of the worst of sins they might have piled up. But of course the person needs to seek forgiveness before they face death. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 12/14/03 at 18:28:14 |
| stap , thi nk you can go to shia news dot com or something like that. Or i guess you can ask the iranians or the kurds. |
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| jannah |
| 12/15/03 at 22:29:28 |
| The thing we have to understand is that God is greater than you and me. God is Strong in Punishment as well as the Most Forgiving. Mike said: [quote]i was wondering... what would the islamic position on God forgiving a mass mrderer. If he sought forgiveness would Allah forgive him for killing a few hundred thousand people in his own country? [/quote] We aren't God and we don't know a person's sincerity and we also don't know if the people who he has comitted injustice to have forgiven him. The same could be said for Bush...many people consider him a mass murderer as well. We can condemn his actions just like during Saddam's rule we condemned Saddam, but can we make the decision on where he will end up? Based on outward actions perhaps.. but only God is the true Judge. |
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| amatullah |
| 12/16/03 at 11:22:20 |
| Saddam was the US's pawn for 30 years (counting from when he was part of a CIA-trained group in 1959). That fact is simply being ignored by the media. Interstingly, also ignored by the media that the US is breaking the conventions for prisoners of war not being shown live. They made a huge fuss and nearly closed aljazeera down for doing that with the American soldiers saying you are only allowed still pictures. Yet as always it is ok for the US to do what it wants. Heck, the whole war was illegal. The whole coverage is a propaganda. Another thing I find intersting is that the timing of this tape. Right after resistance by Mujahideen (I highly doubht the resistance was from Hiz albath supporters of saddam as the US trying to pretend) THey don't want him back. But they don't want the US either. Right before elections when his popularity is at its lowest, now miraculously up again as a result of tape. Right after Hikmatyar's statemenet/challenge. Right before X-mas so that the families of the soldiers when they get together (esp. for the ones who died already) will have ONE good thing to talk about that came out of this war. Right after they sign about Syria and the arab world is angry. I have a feeling they had him for awhile and they saved the tape for the right time. I have no love for Saddam, I pray to Allah that he made tawba, as a brother here said. But his reign could have ended another way, one that better paved the way toward a free and peaceful Iraq. |
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| sal |
| 12/16/03 at 15:31:52 |
| We don't know what ALLAH will do to him. This is between him and his creature , But we can say yes he was a big criminal .He has commited a lot of crime . Personaly I dont like saddam with his deeds .though this makes no sense to him any way .but what makes me wonder is the rest of the ARAB leaders with their congratulation to eliminate saddam . are they better than him ? havn't they been and still doing the same to their people? why are they so in hurry the USA to leave IRAQ? they are afraid their turn to come I think SADDAM IS A STAGE OF A PORJECT AND TO COMPLETE IT THE REST OF THE LEADERS HAS TO FACE THE SAME THING we dont have to be in hurry to see IRAQ calm because the project is not yet finished . But any way if a part the project means to clear the road for us from the criminals that are ruling what ever the aim is . It seems the result wont be worse than the old or present conditions these people are facing , lets see what will happen since we dont lose any thing as corrupted and already occupied people |
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| timbuktu |
| 12/16/03 at 18:14:25 |
| [slm] you can liken te present project to the times of the colonialists. If you have read about the East India Company, you know what sorry state India was in. The Company just wanted to exploit, but the process got rid of some of the Nawabs, & introduced some modernisation. The same today: US is a young colonial power, still full of energy, ideas & seeking raw material, markets & labor. There are other powers, with concerns about the same. Who worries about the native or his culture or his ways? did any one worry about the silk producers of Bengal, or about the elimination of indigo (neel) by synthetic color, & the resulting famine of Bengal. Leaders are supposed to keep a watch on the world, & make decisions for their nations, so that they keep pace & are spared misery. unless they can galvanise the populace into a resistance that humbles the occupier. watching events turn into history is interesting, if one can detach oneself emotionally. |
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| timbuktu |
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| jannah |
| 12/16/03 at 20:10:28 |
| I know non Muslims are reading this and are getting the perception that we are "defending" Saddam. Let me just say that No one has any love for Saddam. He tortured, killed and abused his own people, thousands of Muslims. This is a documented fact by several human rights organizations, Muslim and NonMuslim,, former workers under him, and known by the average person. He was a dictator, not a leader. I remember Hamza Yusuf saying in one of his speeches maybe 5 years ago how Saddam's son had his friend's arm broken because he had made an innocent remark like "I know how you feel". Inhumanity and injustice. Despite all this what we cannot understand as Muslims is why the US seems to "spin" their own propoganda and continues to "be above the law." For example, US media outlets show Saddam's live pictures again and again (a prisoner of war by all rights even by the international red cross) and yet when Jazeera showed US soldiers just a few months ago all of a sudden the US was crying Geneva Convention laws and wanted Jazeera shut down. The US also says it has the right to use whatever "psychological torture" means necessary to get information from Saddam. He's still a human being.. and for some reason I thought the Geneva convention and other laws of human rights meant something, but apparently some countries are above these man-made laws. Contracts for "rebuilding" Iraq had already been divied up by US companies BEFORE the war and now the US is pushing France & Germany to forgive all debts of Iraq "for the good of the Iraqi people" in exchange for giving them some contracts. It's all just crap... hypocrisy and self-righteousness in the pursuit of power, money and the status quo. |
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| mujaahid4ever |
| 12/18/03 at 18:31:15 |
| Assalaamu-alaikum Warahmatulaahi Wabarakaatuhu Its without question the capture of Saddam is a good thing for the future of Iraq. This man, you must remember, was put in power by the Americans, who than funded him for many years, gave him the bio and chemical weapons. Saddam went on to kill many thousands, whilst America continued to support him. Saddams end means those Iraqi's who were reluctant to join the Mujaahideen Resistance, out of fear that driving the US out may mean Saddams return, will now be able to join the resistance without this fear in the back of there minds. Last time the Americans meddled in Iraq's affairs, the Iraqi's got a brutal tyrant. The Iraqi's future is now in there own hands. If America stays, the Iraqi's must accept a US puppet Regime. If they can drive out the Americans, they can decide their own future, Inshallah |
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