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| buL-buL |
| 01/14/04 at 09:52:57 |
| [slm] anyone know that phrase in arabic when one loves another for Allah's sake. ? |
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| Nisa |
| 01/14/04 at 10:13:31 |
| [slm] I believe it's [i] lihub-bullah.[/i] [wlm] :-) |
| 01/14/04 at 10:14:59 |
| Nisa |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 01/14/04 at 21:53:56 |
| [slm] anything done for Allah's sake, in Arabic, is "anything [i]fillaah[/i]", or "anything [i]fee sabeelillah [/i]." so to love someone for Allah's sake is [i]Hubb fillaah[/i] or [i]Hubb fee sabeelillah[/i]. wallahu a'lam. |
| 01/14/04 at 21:56:10 |
| Abu_Hamza |
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| Caraj |
| 01/14/04 at 23:58:35 |
| Ok, now what is the full explaination of such act? Would it be like it there is someone you either did not like or care to be around and you decided, even though you would prefer to be miles away from this person and this person actually causes you pain (emotionally or physc) you say, ok Allah this person is so unlovable but for you, for your honor, I'l love and care for and treat this person well. I don't want to but I will for you Lord. Is that it? Where can you find what it says for such acts in the Quran? Thank you |
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| buL-buL |
| 01/15/04 at 17:38:18 |
| [slm] so what does Lihub-bullah literally mean? i wanted to tell my friend that i love her, this is the phrase i used....i hope it made sense. :-[ |
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| Mohja |
| 01/15/04 at 19:33:54 |
| [slm] [quote]i wanted to tell my friend that i love her[/quote] As br. AbuHamza pointed out Love for the sake of Allah = [u]Hubb[/u] fillahi But I love you for the sake of Allah = [u]Uhibbuka/Uhibbuki[/u] fillah (depending on whether the addressee is male or female respectively) [quote]so what does Lihub-bullah literally mean? [/quote] It depends on how it's written in arabic: Lihubb billah = because/for love in Allah ...that would be the literal translation but it's not something that would make sense in an arabic context Lihubbi A*llahi = For the love of Allah Wassalam * The A is not pronounced in this case |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 01/15/04 at 20:37:01 |
| [quote author=azizah link=board=madrasa;num=1074091977;start=0#3 date=01/14/04 at 23:58:35]Ok, now what is the full explaination of such act?[/quote] That's a loaded question :) [quote]Would it be like it there is someone you either did not like or care to be around and you decided, even though you would prefer to be miles away from this person and this person actually causes you pain (emotionally or physc) you say, ok Allah this person is so unlovable but for you, for your honor, I'l love and care for and treat this person well. I don't want to but I will for you Lord. Is that it?[/quote] You see, Azizah, Islam teaches us that the sole purpose for which human beings were created is to fulfill [i]uboodiyyah[/i] to Allah (swt). [i]Uboodiyyah,[/i] in Arabic, means to be in a constant state of [i]ibaadah.[/i] [i]Ibaadah[/i] is a comprehensive, all-encompassing word, which refers to anything that Allah is pleased with and loves, of a person's inward and outward speech and deeds. So our purpose, then, is to be in a constant state of doing things that Allah is pleased with and loves. And this "doing" of things includes not just what our limbs do, but also what our hearts do. What do the hearts do? Among other things, they seek to know things intimately. They seek to love (and to hate). Therefore, once again going back to the purpose of our creation - to constantly be doing things for Allah - we are to strive to love those things (and *only* those things) that Allah loves. When we do that, we are loving for His sake. In order to do this, however, we must first know what it is that Allah loves. That is where the importance of revelation, Prophets, and knowledge comes in. Furthermore, it is not just *what* we love, but also *who* we love that must be for His Sake. So when I say I love someone, if I love them because there is a quality in them that Allah loves, then I love them for the sake of Allah. And hence my love for them is really a manifestation of my love for Allah. I don't really love that person, per se, but I love Allah. If, however, I love someone for a trait that is not necessarily something Allah loves, then my love for them is not for the Sake of Allah, but because my own soul inclines towards that quality which attracts me to that individual. Hence when I love people or things not for Allah's sake, I'm really actualizing the desires of my inner self, which may be good or bad depending on its own state. That, in short, is my answer to your question. Just to clarify something if it's not already obvious: uboodiyyah is definitely *levels.* That is, one of us may do *nothing* for Allah's sake (Allah forbid), and that's the worst, lowest level to be at. Some, peace and blessings of Allah be upon them, did *everything* for His Sake. They were at the highest level of uboodiyyah to Allah, and thus will be at the highest level in Paradise. May Allah include us among them. And Allah knows best. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah |
| 01/15/04 at 20:37:38 |
| Abu_Hamza |
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| Caraj |
| 01/15/04 at 22:17:22 |
| Ok, here is the tough question Abu_Hamza and anyone else who wishes to take this on. I don't want to turn this thread into a me story. But I wish to explore and understand and distingush this 'Love for Allah's sake'. I understand (98%) what you replied and thank you for taking the time to do so. So we love things Allah loves and is pleased with. What is someone in your life is so unlovable to you, that you tried and if you could without guilty conscience, just disown them. A family member. This person is rude and disrespectful of you and seems to have no concerns for your feelings. Ok folks I am taking a big step here. :( I am the author of a thread anon posted titled (which due to a back injury and now the flu and didn't take the time to reply yet cause I really wasn't sure what to say) Strained relationship with mother :o Paradise is at mothers feet who do we care for? your mother, your mother, your mother and then your father? Ok follow me so far? Now if my human side wants to be rid of her and have nothing to do with her. Why is it on my heart to give in and love her and care for her and give in to her and let her have her way with things when I want to tell her off BIG time??? #1) I put myself in her shoes and wondered how I would feel if my sons did that to me, tears came to my eyes so I decided to not to disown her cause I would not want it done to me. #2) I decided I would love her cause Allah would want me to. He would not want me to hate her. He has mercy and forgives us, so how could I not try to be the same toward another yet expect it? #3) Just cause something deep down inside of me tells me it is the right thing to do. (but the ornery part of me would like to be mean back) This is what I thought, loving someone for Allah's sake meant. And if it doesn't, then why the heck am I doing it ::) :P' Can we not forgive and yet ask it of Allah. Can we not have mercy and yet ask of it from Allah? I'm not gonna try to push it ;) And what about those with mean or cruel brothers, auntie, sisters, uncles, do we have nothing to do with them or do we love them for Allah sake? Can someone find me some Quran verses about how to deal with unlovable, or not so nice people, or however one puts it. So is it just loving things Allah loves, or extending mercy and called another thing? Thank you for answers. Please tell me Allah loves and is pleased with horses ;D Cause that would be an easy one ;) |
| 01/16/04 at 01:04:31 |
| Caraj |
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| timbuktu |
| 01/15/04 at 23:48:01 |
| [slm] brother Abu_Hamza that was just so beautifully expressed, and brother i hadn't read much of your posts earlier, but i can see a lot of Allah's love and wisdom here. How does one love for the sake of Allah (swt)? i do see qualities in people that Allah (swt) loves, but am i really loving them for the sake of Allah? This becomes a real problem when we feel this with the opposite sex. one sees a lot of "loving for the sake of Allah", and i am guilty of using this expression as well, but there is a nagging thought that perhaps this is just a cover-up. it is like second marriage. People say they do it for Sunnah, but i haven't seen anyone marry an old penniless widow with a lot of children, like the prophet [saw] did when he married Sauda (ra). why do we ignore that part of the Sunnah? |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 01/15/04 at 23:52:45 |
| [slm] Azizah, I'm gonna say something that will probably come as a surprise to you, but it's true ... Nowhere in the Qur'an does it say that you must have [i]hubb[/i] (love) for your parents! Neither does it say that anywhere in the authentic ahadith of the Prophet [saw] as far as I know. What Allah requires from us is to show [i]rahmah[/i] (compassion, kindness) to our parents, to treat them well, and to take care of them in old age. True, there's a *lot* of emphasis in Islam to treat the parents in the best way, not to disrespect them or disobey them (as long as they don't call you to vice), to the extent that it's a major sin to treat them badly. However, you are not *commanded* to *love* them, especially if they treat you in ways that are hurtful and unkind. And I think when you think of it this way, it becomes a lot easier. To treat people with kindness and respect is a universally accepted good quality that we all strive for. It's simply emphasized for parents. Having said that, never let your parents become your enemy. Never treat them rudely or cut off ties with them. They are your parents, and deserve your respect and gentle treatment. By fulfilling your obligations towards them, even if it brings you discomfort, you are serving Allah because He commanded you to do that. And what's a little hardship compared to the Pleasure of God? Especially when I consider how He (swt) still cares for me, and provides for me every grain I eat, every molecule of air I breath, and every drop of blood that runs in my veins ... regardless of all the things I have done to disobey Him!!?? If He can care for me, a despicable "child" (Muslims would say "slave") of His, can't I even care for my parents? Not even for His sake?? What do you say? Abu Hamza |
| 01/16/04 at 01:15:08 |
| Abu_Hamza |
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| Halima |
| 01/16/04 at 08:30:20 |
| [slm] An apt and beautiful description Bro. Abu_Hamza. Mashaallah! Sis azizah, Bro. timbuktu, you can also check the Al-Taqwa Masjid & Library where I posted a topic titled: Love of Allah. It is detailed and will probably be of value too. It was sent to me and I posted it for sharing. Halima |
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| Nomi |
| 01/16/04 at 09:00:45 |
| [slm] --timbuktu [quote] i do see qualities in people that Allah (SubHana Wa Ta`ala) loves, but am i really loving them for the sake of Allah? [/quote] When people have qualities that Allah loves and then when you love them "keeping in mind" that you are loving them coz Allah loves them..... hm... is it the only form of "Loving for the sake of Allah" ? I mean what if our defaults are set to the will of Allah? Like whatever Allah ordains we try our best to follow it and with time we become very much synchronous with Allahs command and start seeing the world in a different light. The light in which Allah wants us to see it, then our defaults are set accordingly and then unconsiously (at times... well mostly) we love those who do good, without repeating it in our head that i'm loving fulana person coz Allah is loving him. Wouldn't this inadvertent/default love be considered 'love for the sake of Allah' too? oh and what about this phrase of arabic "ana bahibik fillah" is that a good enough arabic equivalent for "love for the sake of Allah"? |
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| timbuktu |
| 01/16/04 at 09:35:26 |
| [slm] thanks, sis Halima, i got that article, will print and read it insha`Allah bro Nomi: i wish life were that easy across the road from my office is a fairly large mosque. i should be saying my prayers with Jama3, but i have missed it quite a few times. If i really loved Allah (swt), my heart would be in the mosque, in the ibada3 i am doing, not in my environment. and shouldn't we be working for the sake of Allah, whereas we do so for the money we get. and how many of us have renounced the interest system we are working under. there is something wrong after i joined my new job. i lost out on ibada3, it is only recently that i have managed to start tahajjud again. and you see, when i heard the azan, i felt reassured, now i don't. these ups and downs i have faced earlier in my life, but the worrying thing is i am not getting any younger, and any healthier. there must be something i can do! |
| 01/16/04 at 11:14:13 |
| timbuktu |
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