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| evolution and Islam |
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| sidrah |
| 02/08/04 at 10:36:14 |
| salaams everyone, im a new member here and was hoping i could get some answers to my questions about islam: 1-are dinosaurs acknowledged in the Quran? what about cavemen? 2-when were Adam and Eve supposed to have come to earth? were they the first cavepeople? 3-if adam and eve were the first people on earth, naturally they had children, but do we accept that their children procreated with each other to have more children (if so, isnt that a little controversial?)or was there some sort of divine intervention? 4-what is the islamic view on stigmatas? i have been told previously that stigmatas are the work of jinns to drive christians closer to the devil. however, i have to say i dont find this very plausable 5-if a hijab is obligatory for women to wear, and symbolises the wearer as being a muslim to others, is there something that men are obligated to observe, to symbolise their faith to others? i know men often grow a beard, or wear shorter length trousers and the white topi but these are acts of sunnah and are not compulsory. thats it.....i would appreciate replies. Thanks. |
| Re: evolution and Islam |
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| timbuktu |
| 02/10/04 at 01:43:05 |
| [slm] i can only answer no. 3 here. For evolution i would refer you to www.harunyahya.com 3-if adam and eve were the first people on earth, naturally they had children, but do we accept that their children procreated with each other to have more children (if so, isnt that a little controversial?)or was there some sort of divine intervention? answer: Every time Eve gave brith, it was to twins, a boy and a girl. The twins were not married to each other, but from the other lot of twins. This is the cited reason for the enmity that Cain (Qabeel) had for Abel (Habeel). His twin sister was prettier, and he wanted to marry her. wallahu Alam |
| 02/10/04 at 19:37:09 |
| timbuktu |
| Re: evolution and Islam |
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| superFOB |
| 02/10/04 at 03:36:00 |
| [slm] [quote author=sidrah link=board=lighthouse;num=1076254574;start=0#0 date=02/08/04 at 10:36:14]1-are dinosaurs acknowledged in the Quran? what about cavemen?[/quote] Quran is not a book on paleontology, it is a manual for human beings, why they are here and how they are supposed to spend their time here. So no dinosaurs, and no cavemen either. [quote author=sidrah link=board=lighthouse;num=1076254574;start=0#0 date=02/08/04 at 10:36:14]2-when were Adam and Eve supposed to have come to earth? were they the first cavepeople?[/quote] Adam (AS) was the first human being, and we ALL are his children. This is what Allah (SWT) has told us, and this is the truth. We don't know what dwellings the early human had (adam (AS) and his progeny) had. Maybe they lived in caves, allah u 'alam. [quote author=sidrah link=board=lighthouse;num=1076254574;start=0#0 date=02/08/04 at 10:36:14]3-if adam and eve were the first people on earth, naturally they had children, but do we accept that their children procreated with each other to have more children (if so, isnt that a little controversial?)or was there some sort of divine intervention?[/quote] Bro timbuktu has given the details. You see, each nabi/rasool, had his own shareeah, and in the shareeah of Adam (AS) this was the order of Allah. As you are well aware that marrying cousins is considered incest in the US which of course is completely halaal in the eyes of Allah (SWT) for this ummah. So what is important is the hukum of Allah (SWT) and not what we feel is right/wrong. [quote author=sidrah link=board=lighthouse;num=1076254574;start=0#0 date=02/08/04 at 10:36:14]4-what is the islamic view on stigmatas? i have been told previously that stigmatas are the work of jinns to drive christians closer to the devil. however, i have to say i dont find this very plausable.[/quote] Are these body-marks where 'issa (AS) was nailed to the crucifix? If yes, then it is very plausible, imho, that it is the work of the shayateen, who are from the jinn. Why, because Allah (SWT) makes things happen according to the belief of a person, and if they are too much into this thing, Allah (SWT) drives them astray, as is the Sunnah of Allah (SWT). [quote author=sidrah link=board=lighthouse;num=1076254574;start=0#0 date=02/08/04 at 10:36:14]5-if a hijab is obligatory for women to wear, and symbolises the wearer as being a muslim to others, is there something that men are obligated to observe, to symbolise their faith to others? i know men often grow a beard, or wear shorter length trousers and the white topi but these are acts of sunnah and are not compulsory.[/quote] Hijab is not a symbolism, it is a Hukm of Allah (SWT) and this is the correct view, imho. And Allah commands us to obey Him (SWT) and His rasool (SAW), thus beard is wajib on the adult male muslim. It is better to avoid nitpicking, because as muslims, we have no relationship with Allah (SWT) except that of absolute obedience. your brother |
| 02/10/04 at 03:43:00 |
| superFOB |
| Some additionals |
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| Mossy |
| 02/10/04 at 03:56:49 |
| Salams, With regard to query 5, it is interesting to note that khimar (the headscarf) is a part of the hijab (generalised modest dress/attitude) for the purposes of modesty more than identification. If one looks at Western society a hundred years back, one can see covering the head as a sign of modesty amongst almost all cultures - it is also interesting to note that it is obligatory on married Jewish women (although they can wear wigs, oddly). At the time of the Prophet (pbuh), covering of the head was done by both sexes and by all people in that region - in desert environment it makes sense as it keeps the glare of the sunlight from one's head as well as dealing with sand/wind etc. The defining characteristic of muslimahs was their modest, as opposed to revealing dress - for example they were instructed to draw their khimar across their bosoms to cover their cleavage in the Qu'ran. Allah (swt) knows best that which constitutes proper modest dress - in addition, he also knows the symbolism the headscarf will attain through the ages, especially now. Interesting. For men, the lack of mustaches and beards were a form of identification as the non-muslims were in the habit of growing their mustaches and shaving their beards. The debate around the validity and obligation of this state centers around whether the beard is a part of the fitrah (in which case it has a Qu'ranic, non temporal injunction), or a societal identification (in which case it is a time specific injunction, not directly linked to the Qu'ran). The wearing of trousers above the ankles is also an interesting one, although as there is disagreement over that, we'll leave it at that :) With regards to Adam and Eve, it is not indicated that there were not additional people created at that time after they were, is it? Does anyone know the basis of the set of twins story by the way? ws Mossy |
| Re: evolution and Islam |
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| theOriginal |
| 02/27/04 at 12:10:33 |
| [slm] Wasn't there some tribe or set of people who were turned into monkeys as an adhaab? so we sort of believe in a reverse-evolution type thing? As for all this proof nowadays about the world being really really really old...Islam doesn't discredit that either. When Allah says the world was created in 7 days, He uses the word "Yaum" for "Days"..."Yaum" can also be translated as "Eons"... Wasalaam. |
| Re: evolution and Islam |
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| timbuktu |
| 02/27/04 at 21:30:35 |
| [slm] [quote author=JustOne link=board=lighthouse;num=1076254574;start=0#4 date=02/27/04 at 12:10:33] Wasn't there some tribe or set of people who were turned into monkeys as an adhaab? so we sort of believe in a reverse-evolution type thing?[/quote] :) it wasn't "evolution", it was a punishment. Many inhabitants of this Jewish fishermen community did not observe the Sabbath. Some tried to stop the transgressors, many others just kept quiet. The punishment was meted out to those who broke the Sabbath rules, and to those who ignored this breaking of God's law. They were turned into pigs and monkeys. This is another strong reason why we should try to stop violation of the Shari`3a. Some scholars have argued that this was not a physical thing, but their habits became those of these animals. I see no reason to deny this. The punished ones did not have any children after that, so the pigs and monkeys of today are not descended from these. [quote]As for all this proof nowadays about the world being really really really old...Islam doesn't discredit that either. When Allah says the world was created in 7 days, He uses the word "Yaum" for "Days"..."Yaum" can also be translated as "Eons"... [/quote] right. |
| 02/27/04 at 21:32:21 |
| timbuktu |
| Re: evolution and Islam |
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| se7en |
| 03/01/04 at 12:27:57 |
as salaamu alaykum, just as a side note, Muslims have no problem with the idea of adaptation and that species change over time, as this is something that can evidently be seen in nature and is a concept that does not go against the Shari'ah. It is the idea that mankind originates in primates that is challenged. wasalaam, a non-biology major :) |
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