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| stranger |
| 03/06/04 at 20:08:16 |
| [slm] I just had some questions which I haven't found answers to as yet. 1) Suppose you want to join a jama'a of 2 who are praying. How do you join? i.e. the Imam is infront and the second is close to his right but a little behind him. So is it their duty to move during salaat so they can accommodate 1 or 2 more people i.e. the 2nd guy drops down? Or do you just join regularly to the left of imam or right of person? Or what? 2) Suppose someone is the Imam of the jama'a and his wudu' breaks. I personally haven't seen this happen but suppose it happens. What is to happen? I mean, if the imam doesn't continue, the followers might get confused or worried as to what is goin on? But if he does then..::) I think there were some other congregation questions which seem to have slipped my mind so just these for now. [slm] |
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| stranger |
| 03/06/04 at 20:14:36 |
| [slm] 3) Suppose you recite a portion of qur'an which requires a sajdah during salaat. Do you go to sajdah then back up and continue surah or rukuh and continue prayers or can you skip by it and continue? Shukran [slm] |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/06/04 at 20:38:02 |
| [slm] [quote author=stranger link=board=madrasa;num=1078621696;start=0#0 date=03/06/04 at 20:08:16] 1) Suppose you want to join a jama'a of 2 who are praying. How do you join? i.e. the Imam is infront and the second is close to his right but a little behind him. So is it their duty to move during salaat so they can accommodate 1 or 2 more people i.e. the 2nd guy drops down? Or do you just join regularly to the left of imam or right of person? Or what? [/quote] Sheikh Munajjid addressed this question here: If a third person comes and joins two who are praying, then the one who is praying behind the imaam should move back, because of the report narrated by Muslim, in al-Saheeh (no. 3010), from Jaabir who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood up to pray, and I came and stood on his left. He took my hand and turned me around until I was standing on his right. Then Jabbaar ibn Sakhr came and stood on the left of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). He took both our hands and pushed us back until we were standing behind him. The scholars mentioned that if there is space in front of the imaam and no space behind the two people who are praying behind him, the imaam should move forward, but if there is space behind them and no space in front of the imaam, then they should move back. If there is space both in front of the imaam and behind the two people, the two people should move back and the imaam should not move forward, because he is to be followed and should not move, and because the imaam should pray with a barrier in front of him such as a wall or pillar, etc. Imaam al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo’, 4/292: “If there is an imaam and two people praying behind him, the imaam should come forward and they should stand behind him, whether they are two men or two boys or a man and a boy… Then if there is space in front of the imaam and not behind the two people praying behind him, he should move forward or they should move back. As to which is preferable, there are two opinions. The correct view is that stated by Shaykh Abu Haamid and the majority, which is that they should move back because the imaam is to be followed and should not move. … this is if the second person joins the prayer during the qiyaam (standing). But if he comes during the tashahhud or sujood, nobody should move forward or move back until they stand up again. There is no dispute that this moving forward or back should not occur until after the second person has said the takbeer for starting the prayer, as they mentioned. And Allaah knows best.” Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com) |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/06/04 at 20:46:02 |
| [slm] [quote author=stranger link=board=madrasa;num=1078621696;start=0#1 date=03/06/04 at 20:14:36]3) Suppose you recite a portion of qur'an which requires a sajdah during salaat. Do you go to sajdah then back up and continue surah or rukuh and continue prayers or can you skip by it and continue? [/quote] The following question about Sujood al-tilaawah was asked on islam-qa.com, which is what you are referring to. I remember the khatib (at a masjid I attend) came to a verse during one ramadan during the tarawih prayer that required sujood al-tilaawah and he didn't do it, its sunnah. Question : Is it necessary to have wudoo’ in order to do sujood al-tilaawah (prostration required when reading certain verses of the Qur’aan)? Do we have to say Allaahu akbar when going down and coming up, whether that is whilst praying or otherwise? What should be said in this prostration? Are the du’aa’s that have been narrated for it saheeh? Is it prescribed to say salaam after this prostration if it is done outside of prayer? Answer : Praise be to Allaah. It is not essential to have wudoo’ for sujood al-tilaawah, according to the more correct of the two scholarly opinions, and there is no salaam or takbeer when coming up from it, according to the more correct of the two scholarly opinions. It is prescribed to say takbeer when prostrating, because evidence to that effect is proven in the hadeeth of Ibn ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). But if the sujood al-tilaawah is done during prayer, then it is obligatory to say takbeer when going down and when coming up, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to do that in every movement of the prayer, and he said: “Pray as you have seen me praying.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari in his Saheeh, 595). The same dhikr and du’aa’s are prescribed in sujood al-tilaawah as in the prostration during prayer, because of the general meaning of the ahaadeeth concerning that. Among these du’aa’s are: Allaahumma laka sajadtu wa bika aamantu wa laka aslamtu, sajada wajhi lilladhi khalaqahu wa sawwarahu wa shaqqa sam’ahu wa basarahu bi hawlihi wa quwwatihi, tabaarak Allaahu ahsan al-khaaliqeen (O Allaah, unto You I have prostrated and in You I have believed, and unto You I have submitted. My face has prostrated before Him Who created it and fashioned it, and brought forth its faculties of hearing and seeing by His Might and Power. Blessed is Allaah, the Best of creators). This was narrated by Muslim in his Saheeh, 1290 from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); he said that he used to say this dhikr during the prostration of prayer, according to the hadeeth of ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him). We have mentioned above that it is prescribed to say the same in sujood al-tilaawah as in the prostration in prayer. It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to make du’aa’ when he did sujood al-tilaawah, and he would say: “Allaahumma aktub li biha ‘indaka ajran wa’mhu ‘anni biha wizran waj’alha li ‘indaka dukhran wa taqabbalha minni kama taqabbaltaha min ‘abdika Dawood (O Allaah, record for me a reward for this (prostration), and remove from me a sin. Save it for me and accept it from me just as You accepted it from Your slave Dawood).” (Narrated by al-Tirmidhi, 528). What is obligatory is to say “Subhaana Rabbiy al-A’laa (Glory be to my Lord Most High), as is obligatory during the prostration of prayer. Any additional du’aa’ or dhikr is mustahabb. Sujood al-tilaawah, whether during prayer or outside of it, is Sunnah, not obligatory, because evidence to that effect was narrated from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), in the hadeeth of Zayd ibn Thaabit and in the hadeeth of ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him). |
| 03/06/04 at 20:46:47 |
| bhaloo |
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| bhaloo |
| 03/06/04 at 20:52:28 |
| [slm] [quote author=stranger link=board=madrasa;num=1078621696;start=0#0 date=03/06/04 at 20:08:16] 2) Suppose someone is the Imam of the jama'a and his wudu' breaks. I personally haven't seen this happen but suppose it happens. What is to happen? I mean, if the imam doesn't continue, the followers might get confused or worried as to what is goin on? But if he does then..::) [/quote] Question : What happens if the Imam nullifies his ablution during the prayer? Or what if he suddenly recalls that he in fact was not in a state of wudu’ in the first place? What should he do? Is the prayer of the people praying behind him still valid or do they need to make up all or part of it? Sheikh Munajjid Answered : If the Imam enters the state that nullifies his ablution or prayer, or remembers during the prayer that he did not perform ablution, then he should come out from prayer and appoint someone from the attendees who can lead them to completion. This has been narrated from ‘Umar, ‘Ali, ‘Alqamah and ‘Ataa’. If he did not appoint anyone and the people prayed individually, this would be acceptable, and this is the opinion taken by Imam Al-Shafi‘i. If he elected someone and advanced him to lead them, that is also permitted. The evidence for this is what has been narrated regarding ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with him) when he was stabbed. He took Abdur Rahman bin ‘Auf who led the prayer to completion.1 And the reason for this deduction is that ‘Umar did so in the presence of a number of Companions and others and no one opposed this act, so it became a consensus (ijma‘).2 If the Imam remembers that he is not in a state of purity, he should indicate to the followers to remain as they are and purify himself and come back to lead them. The evidence for this is the following narration of Abu Dawud from Abu Bakrah: The Prophet (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) entered into the Fajr prayer and indicated to the people that they should stay in their places. Then he came back to lead them and water was dripping from his head. (Sunan Abi Dawud, No. 233; Sahih Sunan Abi Dawud, 1/45) Commenting on this hadith, Imam Al-Khatabi says: In this hadith there is an evidence that if one is leading the people in prayer while in a state of impurity and the people do no know of it, then their prayer is unaffected and there is no need for them to repeat it. But the Imam has to repeat his prayer.3 If one is praying (either as Imam or follower or individually) and recalls that he had wiped over his socks during wudu’ while the duration of wiping had expired, he should terminate his prayer because his ablution is incorrect. This is what has been quoted from Imams Ahmad and Al-Shafi‘i.4 Sahih Al-Bukhari/Fath Al-Bari, 7/60. 2 Ahkam Al-Imamah by Al-Muneef, 234, 1st Edition. 3 Ma‘alim As-Sunan by Al-Khatabi (Collected by Al-Da‘as) 1/159. 4 Al-Mughni, 2/505. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Islam Q&A Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com) |
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| stranger |
| 03/06/04 at 21:05:41 |
| [slm] bhaloo, Jazakallahu khairan for your answers. [slm] |
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