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| Questioning in the Graves |
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| amika |
| 04/01/04 at 17:42:47 |
| [slm], I was wondering how people who are cremated or who drown will be questioned. They are not buried in graves so how does this questioning occur? I was thinking of those people who died in that space shuttle explosion too. What would remain of their bodies if they died in mid air? Does anyone know? |
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| nida |
| 04/01/04 at 18:01:45 |
| [slm] good question. heres what i think: is it actually the physical body which is questioned and punished? i used to think that it is the soul of the person which is actually questioneD?? i am right? please correct me if i am wrong. wasallam :-) |
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| al-ajnabia |
| 04/01/04 at 18:33:22 |
| [slm] If Allah can create us from blood clots and spermdrops He can also resurect us from dust and ashes. Cremation is no escape from the judgement or the grave. If He counts our hairs He wont misplace our molecules. He knows the thoughts of our hearts that dont have any substance, how is He going to be baffled by a crematory? |
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| amika |
| 04/01/04 at 21:34:24 |
| [slm], My question was: Where do the angels question the soul? In mid-air? Underwater? |
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| Aadhil |
| 04/01/04 at 23:16:59 |
| [slm] [quote author=amika link=board=madrasa;num=1080859367;start=0#3 date=04/01/04 at 21:34:24] [slm], My question was: Where do the angels question the soul? In mid-air? Underwater? [/quote] This is, i think, one of the unseen things that has not been revealled by Allah (swt). The reason probably is that we do not benefit from this knowledge. I think this question should be left alone since it does not benefit us. (Sorry if i seem a bit rude and abrupt but i'm just tellin it like it is :)) Anywayz Allah knows best, and think about the questions that are gonna be asked instead of where ;) :) It may be more beneficial me thinks ;-) |
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| bismilla |
| 04/02/04 at 00:29:50 |
| [slm] there's this story i heard in this lecture once, and i don't have anything to back it up....so if someone knows if ths is fact or fiction, please enlighten me. It goes summin like this...there was this King that committed a lot of atrocities and when it became closer to the time of his death he arranged that the family cremate him. He was aware that what he had done was brutally wrong and did not want to face Allah SWT or the questionings. So he gets cremated and, according to the story, Allah commands the Angels to bring his him (his soul?) to Him where he gets questioned..... So, um, amyone else here this story? If this story has any truth to it, then such a person is questioned in the Darbar of Allah swt? And i think that even though the body perishes, it's the SOUL that gets questioned? I am curious to know too....Insha Allah |
| 04/02/04 at 00:33:21 |
| bismilla |
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| timbuktu |
| 04/02/04 at 01:16:27 |
| [slm] sister bismilla, the story is true in its essence, although not necessarily related to a king. while the soul thing is true, it is also true that there are AHadith which relate to punishment in the Qabr (grave). and where does it take place? AHadith talk of Qabr. and of the prophet [saw] knowing and telling the Sahaba that animals hear it. wallahu Alam. personally I don't think it makes much difference whether the soul is questioned, or the body is resurrected to face the munkar nakeer, or where it takes place. |
| 04/02/04 at 01:17:59 |
| timbuktu |
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| amika |
| 04/02/04 at 23:41:51 |
| [quote author=Muslim link=board=madrasa;num=1080859367;start=0#4 date=04/01/04 at 23:16:59] This is, i think, one of the unseen things that has not been revealled by Allah (swt). The reason probably is that we do not benefit from this knowledge. I think this question should be left alone since it does not benefit us. [/quote] Br. Muslim I think this is the best answer to this question. Jazak Allah Khair! |
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| theOriginal |
| 04/04/04 at 00:06:09 |
| [slm] Related Questions: 1) People who commit suicide aren't allowed to be buried, correct? I don't know but I would imagine it has to do with the question. 2) A few years ago, in a khutbah I heard the sheikh say that we will be questioned of five (5) things in the grave. Does anyone know what they are? As far as I remember, these were some of them: a) how you earned your wealth. b) how you spent your wealth. c) how you spent your youth. d) how you spent your time. e) ?? I would greatly appreciate confirmation...I have another theory brewing :) Wasalaam. |
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| timbuktu |
| 04/04/04 at 06:33:17 |
| [slm] sis JustOne, in answer to your questions 1. No, that is not true. All muslims, whatever their manner of death, are entitled to a funeral prayer and a burial. I don't remember exactly, but the prophet [saw] said he wouldn't say the Janaza prayer for someone who had committed suicide, but the others may/should? do so. 2. This is confusing two things here: questioning in the grave and questioning on the Day of Judgment. Again, it is off the cuff, and needs confirmation, but in the grave we will be asked about our Creator, about the prophet [saw] "who is this man?" and our deen. And on the answers will depend our future in the grave: whether the window opens from Jannah or from Hell. On the Day of Judgement, no one will be able to move from his position before answering these questions:ie. 2 (a) to (d) in your question. I am not sure if they are 5 or three. Seems to me that c) and d) can be combined. I repeat the above has to be checked. I haven't read books in ages, and I don't have a sheikh, so my knowledge is getting rusty. _________________ added: 1. suicide: Jabir bin Samrah narrates that a man killed himself with a sharp instrument, and the prophet [saw] did not offer his Janazah (Muslim) in another narration the prophet [saw] is reported to have said: "I won't pray janazah for him". (Muslim) there are two other AHadith in this book I dug out, about such a person being always in hell. and one Hadith about him going through the pain over and over again. Almost all scholars are agreed that the leader of the muslims (ie ameerul mumineen) and very pious persons should not offer prayer for such a person, (but ordinary persons should do so and bury him), so that others are made awrae of the severity of this act. 2. Q's in the grave: Usman (ra) narrates that when the prophet [saw] was finished with a person's burial, he would say something like: "ask forgiveness and steadfastness (in the questions and answers session) for your brother (sister), because he/ she is being questioned now." In a fairly long Hadith, Baraa bin 3azib (ra) ( ÈÑÇÁ Èä ÚÇÒÈ ( ÑÖí Çááå Úäå narrates that the prophet [saw] said something like: .......... The angels ask: "Who is your Sustainer?" He replies "My Sustainer is Allah". Then they ask: "what is your deen"quot;. He says: "My deen is Islam". Then they ask: "what do you think of the man who was sent to you". He replies "that man is Muhammad [saw], the prophet of Allah." it is a long hadith, and I won't be able to do a translation. There are other AHadith confirming parts of the same. If someone can come up with more, it would be nice. 3. Q's on the Day of Judgment I am sure someone will find and post that portion, too. |
| 04/04/04 at 07:50:58 |
| timbuktu |
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| al-ajnabia |
| 04/04/04 at 11:41:15 |
| [slm] I think that it really doesnt matter where we will be questioned only the questions asked. Unless a person is seeking some angle, some sort of loophole or trick, and why would anyone who beleived in Allah do that except by doubt or ignorance? dont all who are muslims beleive that Allah is just? then if so why should we ask where we will be questioned or in what form we will be in when we are questioned. It doesnt matter. The only answer that there can be to this question is that we will be qestion in the best possible form that enables us to give a full acount and does not enable us to lie about the slightest thing. It is nothing we can practice for at all. None of us are capable of that kind of honesty, even when we soften our speach for eachother this is not that kind of honesty. How many of us hold ourselves acountable for things we had no control over? this is not that kind of honesty. It is not possible to be that kind of honest until that day and that is why we are not judged until that day and Allah must be our judge. even somone who has practiced nothing but lying his whole life will be honest on that day, even if he had a birth defect in his brain that made him lie. |
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| Barr |
| 04/04/04 at 13:20:11 |
| [slm] Just sharing... We go to different kinds of alam (worlds, realm) throughout time. Just as we are from a pre-Dunya world before we were born, we would enter another world, after we die, before our final abode in Akhirah. This does not indicate the same kind of life as we are experiencing now in Dunya, wrt our senses, physical being etc. When we die, we go to another world, called Alam Barzakh. Al-Barzakh literally means a barrier between two things. In this case, it is an interim world before we are judged and end in the Akhirah. “Before them is a Partition till the Day they are raised up.” (Al-Mu’minun: 100) Whether a person is buried or cremated etc, they would hv to face this alam, with its punishment or blessings. Coz, alam barzakh is not the same physical alam that we see in this dunya, and what our mind can conceive but its another realm/dimension that Allah has created (that we go to) when our souls depart from our bodies. Allahua'lam :) |
| 04/04/04 at 13:23:43 |
| Barr |
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| theOriginal |
| 04/04/04 at 14:55:13 |
| [slm] JazakAllah Khair bro timbuktu, that was helpful. Sis pebble, I understand what you are saying. But if there is answer out there, it would be nice to know. Wasalaam. |
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| Tesseract |
| 04/05/04 at 17:15:17 |
| Assalamu 'alaikum, [quote]2. Q's in the grave: Usman (ra) narrates that when the prophet was finished with a person's burial, he would say something like: "ask forgiveness and steadfastness (in the questions and answers session) for your brother (sister), because he/ she is being questioned now." In a fairly long Hadith, Baraa bin 3azib (ra) ( ÈÑÇÁ Èä ÚÇÒÈ ( ÑÖí Çááå Úäå narrates that the prophet said something like: .......... The angels ask: "Who is your Sustainer?" He replies "My Sustainer is Allah". Then they ask: "what is your deen". He says: "My deen is Islam". Then they ask: "what do you think of the man who was sent to you". He replies "that man is Muhammad , the prophet of Allah." it is a long hadith, and I won't be able to do a translation. There are other AHadith confirming parts of the same. If someone can come up with more, it would be nice. [/quote] Here is the complete hadeeth and related details: Upon the authority of al-Bara' ibn `Aazib who said: We went out with the the Prophet (salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) to a burial of a man from the Ansar (original inhabitants of Madina) until we arrived at the grave, and he still had not been placed in the slot of the grave. Then the Messenger of Allah (salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) sat down and we sat around him. You would have thought that birds were upon our heads from our silence, and in the hand of the Messenger of Allah (salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) was a stick which he was poking the ground with. [Then he started looking at the sky and looking at the earth and looking up down three times]. Then he said to us: "Ask Allah for refuge from the torment of the grave", he repeated this command two or three times. [Then he said O Allah I seek refuge in you from the torment of the grave] [three times]. Then he said: "Verily, the believing servant, when leaving this life and journeying to the hereafter angels will descend upon him, their faces will be white as if they were suns, they will have with them a shroud (kafan) from the shroud of Paradise), and an embalmment (HanouT) from the embalmments of heaven. Then, they will sit within eye-shot of him. Then the angel of death (peace be upon him) will come and sit at his head and will say "O you virtuous soul; come out to a forgiveness and a pleasure from your Lord ". So it will come out as a drop comes out of the mouth of a jug (with ease), then he will take it, not leaving it in his hand for longer that a blink of an eye until they (he and the other angels) have placed it in that shroud and that embalmment. And there will emanate from it a smell like that of the most sweet smelling musk on the face of the earth. Then they shall ascend with it, and they shall not pass with it by any group of angels but they will say: What is this good and sweet-smelling soul?. Then they shall say to them (he is) "such" the son of "such" choosing the best of the names he used to be called in this life. Until they reach the lowest sky, then they shall ask permission to enter, and they shall be granted entry, until they end at the seventh heaven sky, then Allah, exalted and high, shall say: "write the book of my servant in `illiyeen (1) [And what will explain to you what Illiyeen is `illiyeen, there is a register fully inscribed to which bear witness those nearest to Allah (see 83:18 )], and his book will be written in `illiyeen, and the shall be said "return him to the earth, for [I promised them] I have created them from it, and into it I shall return them, and from it I shall extract (resurrect) them a second time (20:55)". So [he is returned to earth and] his soul is returned to his body [he said and he will hear the footsteps of his friends who buried him when they leave him]. Then two [severe] angels shall come and [terrify him and] sit him up next to them and shall ask him: "Who is your Lord?". He shall reply "My Lord is Allah". Then they shall ask him: "What is your religion?". He shall answer them: "My religion is Islam". Then they shall ask him "Who is this man who was sent among you?". He will reply "He is the Messenger of Allah (salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) peace be upon him". Then they shall ask him "What have you done?". He shall reply: "I read the book of Allah, then I believed in it and accepted it". [The angel will terrify him and ask him "who is your Lord?", "what is your religion?" "who is your prophet?", and this will be the last trial on earth for the believer, it is then when Allah says : "Allah will establish in strength those who believe with the word that stands firm in this world", so he will answer my Lord is Allah, my religion is Islam and my Prophet is Mohammad salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam. Then a caller will call from the sky: "My slave has spoken the truth, so spread out for him from the heaven, and clothe him from the heaven, and open a door for him from the heaven (within his grave)", so it's goodness and its smell will come unto him, then his grave will be expanded for him as far as he can see. Then a man will come to him. His face will be handsome, and his clothes will be handsome, and his smell will be sweet. Then he shall say unto him: I bring you glade tidings of that which will make you happy [Rejoice with a pleasure of Allah and delights that endure]. This is the day that you were promised (46:16). Then he will say [and may Allah give you glad tiding] "who are you?, for your face is the face of someone who comes with good news". He shall reply: "I am your good deeds, [by Allah, I did not know of you but that you were quick to the obedience of Allah and slow to His disobedience, so may Allah reward you good]". Then he shall say: "My Lord bring the hour so that I might return to my family and my wealth" [it will be said to him "be tranquil"]. He (Mohammed, salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said: { And the disbelieving [transgressor/wicked] servant}, if he is leaving this life and journeying to the hereafter then angels will descend upon him, their faces will be black, they have with them a coarse woolen fabric (sackcloth)[ made of fire]. Then they will sit within eye-shot of him. Then the angel of death will come and sit at his head and will say "O you wicked soul; come out to a anger from your Lord and a fury (from Him)". So it will be distributed (spread out) throughout his body, then it will be ripped away as a skewer/spit is ripped out of damp cotton [and in its way out it will tear and cut the nerves and blood vessels] [and then he will be cursed by all the angels between the earth and the sky and by all the angels in the sky, and the gates of heaven are closed. There is no gate in the heaven but its people supplicate that the wicked soul shall not be ascended to their side], then he will take it (the soul), not leaving it in his hand for longer than a blink of an eye until they have placed it in that sackcloth. And there will emanate from it a stench like that of the most evil smelling corpse on the face of the earth. Then they shall ascend with it, and they shall not pass with it by a group of angels but they will say: What is this wicked soul?. Then they shall say to them (he is) "such" the son of "such" choosing the most hated of the names he used to be called in this life. Until they reach the lowest heaven (sky), then they shall ask permission to enter, and they shall not be granted entry. Then the Messenger of Allah (salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) recited "The doors of the sky are not opened to them, nor shall they enter heaven until the camel passes through the eye of the needle" (7:40). Then Allah, exalted and high, shall say: "write the book of my servant in Sijjeen (2)(83:7) in the lowest earth". [Then will be said "return my slave to the earth, for I promised them I have created them from it, and into it I shall return them, and from it I shall extract (resurrect) them a second time (20:55)"]. Then his soul shall be taken away [from the sky] with a mighty hurl [until it is cast into his body]. Then he (the Prophet salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) read: "and those who associate partners with Allah, They are as one who falls from the sky then is snatched by the birds or is cast by the wind into a very low place (22:31)". Then his soul will be returned into his body, [he (the prophet) said : verily he will hear the footsteps of his friends who buried him when they leave him]. Then two harsh severe and fearsome angels shall come and [terrify him and] sit him up and shall ask him: "Who is your Lord?". He shall reply "Huh?, Huh (this is an expression of sorrow), I don't know". Then they shall ask him: "What is your religion?". He shall answer them: "Huh?, Huh?, I don't know". Then they shall ask him "Who is this man who was sent among you?". He will reply "Huh?, Huh?, I don't know [I heard people saying that!]". He (the Prophet salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam) said "And then will be said to him don't ever know and don't ever recite!"]. Then a caller will call from the sky: "My slave has spoken falsely, so spread out for him from the hell fire, and open a door for him from the hell fire (within his grave)", so its heat and hot wind will come unto him, then his grave will be contracted upon him until his limbs are caught up among one another. Then a man will come to him. His face will be ugly, and his clothes will be ugly, and his smell will be vile. Then he shall say unto him: I bring you tidings of that which will harm you. This is the day that you were promised (70:44). Then he will say [and you, may Allah give you bad tiding] "who are you?, for your face is the face of someone who comes with evil". He shall reply: "I am your evil deeds [by Allah, I did not know of you but that you were quick to the disobedience kf Allah and slow to His obedience, so may Allah reward you bad, and then will be assigned to him a blind, deaf and mute person who holds in his hand a hammer, if a mountain is hit with it, it would disintegrate, and he will beat him with it until he becomes dust, and then Allah will render him to his initial form, and he will beat him again, and he (the wicked) will cry of sorrow and pain a cry that will be heard by all creatures except humans and jinn, and a door of hell will be opened unto him within his grave and will spread out for him sheets of hell fire]". Then he shall say: "My Lord do not bring the hour". This hadith is narrated by Ahmad Ibn Hambal, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, at-Tayalisi, and al-Hakim who said it is according to the standards of Bukhari and Muslim. This text is the text of Ahmad, all text between brackets is from the other narrators and other narrations of Ahmad. Notes (1) `illiyin: comes from the root word of `uluww which means highness. It is a place in the (highest) seventh sky where the souls of the believers are gathered (Ibn `Abbas), it also carries the meaning of a very high and wide place (Ibn Kathir). (2) Sijjin: comes from the root word of sijn which means narrowness. It is a place in the (lowest) seventh earth where the souls of the unbelievers are gathered (Ibn `Abbas), it also carries the meaning of a very low and narrow (Ibn Kathir). Reading the previous hadith one may think that the punishment of the grave is reserved only for those who did not believe in Allah or associated with him someone else in worship, lordship, creation or in his names and attributes. It is not the case! the following authentic hadith tells us more! so let us read it carefully : Ibn Abbas (Radiya Allahu `anhuma) says that the Messenger of Allah, salla Allahu alaihi wa sallam, once, while passing by two graves, remarked : The inmates of these two graves are being tortured not for any serious sins, but in fact they are serious sins. One of them used to carry tales [gossiping] (nameemah) and the other used not to yastatir (1) when urinating. [Bukhari and Muslim] (1) yastatir means both not covering or hiding himself from the sights of others as well as not cleaning himself after urinating. Wassalam. p.s: Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki in his famous series "The HereAfter", has commented on the hadeeth in detail, and other related stuff. |
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