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| Prayer? Dua? Why? If all is known? |
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| Caraj |
| 04/04/04 at 01:50:54 |
| If Allah knows what is going to happen and all is in his will, then why even make dua or pray is all is pre-destined? What good does it do it Allah already knows and it is his will. |
| 04/04/04 at 04:53:41 |
| Caraj |
| Re: Prayer? Dua? Why? If all is known? |
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| al-ajnabia |
| 04/04/04 at 11:50:29 |
| [slm] prayer and dua are for us. It alows us to focus on what we are asking Allah for, or what we want from Him. It allows us to seek his input in a way that allows us to recognise when he is repsonding directly to our requests which helps give us confidence. The stronger we believe in him the more this becomes like talking to the most understanding friend. One reason to pray is that He guides, if we know what we are asking him, we have a better idea of where he is taking us and what he thinks of what we want. He knows what we want,and what we need, and where our heads are at, but the fact is we usually dont have this information about ourselves, so by talking to him he helps us see all these things better for ourselves, and the better whe know what we are looking through the better we know what we are looking at. |
| Re: Prayer? Dua? Why? If all is known? |
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| sal |
| 04/04/04 at 15:54:04 |
| ALLAH infact knows what will happen but he didnt pre -destined unfairly bad for this person and good for the other with out justice He put two ROADs and told us where either of these roads takes us to but when he says he know where each of you is going it is like when we are given an examination .the teacher first puts what each answer for each question is worth then he knows who has done better than who and who has failed and who passed the exam.we dont know our result unless we are told by the teacher but does this mean the teacher has put the points scored before we are examined randomly ? DUAA Well ALLAH is able to change any thing as he has created it from the begiining from nothing so he can change our bad deeds either by changing as it is or erasing the old and giving us chance to do good . stoping duaa means like giving ALLAH limited ability to do things . it is like to say he cant change what he did once ,but because he can do what ever he wants he can change any thing at any time by DUAA for example when in a court someone is sentenced to life time prison .the lawyer tells him to behave good in the jail so this might some day give him the chance to reduce the penalty or even can be set free but if he loses hope and still is troublesome he will stay there as a result of his work it is similary when we lose hope and stop Duaa and say WHY to begg ALLAH ANY MORE |
| Re: Prayer? Dua? Why? If all is known? |
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| sal |
| 04/04/04 at 16:06:02 |
| Praying in term of a basic pillar is a command to do it despite what ALLAH will in turn reward us for that To drive a car you are obliged not to cross the red light but you will not be thanked or paid it for because that is basic obligation from the authority But violation to this rule means not respecting the regulation and you will be fined for that >:( |
| Re: Prayer? Dua? Why? If all is known? |
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| Maliha |
| 04/04/04 at 18:00:16 |
| [slm] Sr. Azizah :-) The topic of Qadr/Predestination has been subject to many debates in history. I will try in my limited way, and little knowledge, to capture how predestination and our works are two different concepts that shouldn't be confused with each other. Allah created the universe with specific laws and means. He also created humans with Reason and Will power, and further guided humans, to be able to utilize the means and laws to meet the best ends in this world and the next. The human is given the will power to do what he wants. In the end all that he does, only happens with the Will of Allah, whose Knowledge supersedes time and space. Duah/Supplication is one of the means He taught us to achieve what we need. Duah is the best form of Ibadah as He commanded us in the Quran to Ask Him. It symbolizes our slavehood to Allah, our dependence and need and adoration of Him. If we use this means, and do what we can to help ourselves, Allah guarantees us the best in both worlds. There is a story of Umar (RA) who didn't want to go to a village that was inflicted by the Plague. The people chastized him saying "if you believed in Allah's Will, and Relied on it, you would go to that village and won't be scared of being affected". Umar's wise response was "I am choosing one Will of Allah over another". Meaning in the end whatever he chooses to do is inherently Allah's Will, but Allah also gave us reason and means and we should utilize those in making our decisions. Below are my notes from the retreat last year on the concept and importance of Duah. I hope this further helps you in your quest to Understand. May Allah facilitate your affairs and guide you to the best of both worlds (Amin). [quote] Duah: Importance -The quest for Allah's uboodiyya (slavehood) has many essential elements. The most fundamental is Duah/supplication. -The absence of duah shows arrogance and vanity in relationship to Allah, it's a state of Kufr/disbelief to deny the need to Allah. -Allah commands us to be in a state of duah. -"If my servants ask you about me, I am very near I respond to the prayer of those who call upon me." -The more one is in duah, the more one is showing his/her need to Allah. Therefore illustrating our uboodiyya to Allah. -"Duah is indeed the Ibadaah/worship". -Without duah the aabid/slave will feel the disconnection with Allah. Spending time away from duah, the abd/slave feels the impact, the wahsh, the lack of anchorage in his daily life not knowing the reason is duah. -The anchorage of the Qalb/soul to Allah is ibaadah. Duah is the ladder of the sinners, the tongue of the sinners is tears (earnest duah accompanied by tears). Duah is the most beautiful rope to Allah. Conditions: a) The most essential condition is the presence of the Qalb (and mind and whole being). A hadith states "Invoke Allah (be in duah) while being in certainty that He hears and responds (doubt builds up to the point of sharr). And know that Allah does not respond to a qalb is absent" b)Should be in state of Ridhaa/contentment, don't transgress with Allah. Alhamdullillah for whatever Allah gives and does not give me. c)Struggle to obey Allah and not foolishly and freely indulging in Ma3asi/sins. Staying away from doubtful earning and live a halal life. d)To be in need is the most effective in being answered "duah al Haal", truly in a state of dire need. -Many times we think we are in dire need, but we aren't. It is our being used to comfort. -A scholar relates one day with his companions, a woman came and said "Please help me, and pray that my son returns, he is missing". He told her "go back and be in sabr". she kept coming and he kept saying the same thing. Till one day she came and he told her "go back and be in sabr" she said "My sabr is exhausted". He told her "if that is true then go back for your son is at home". She went to see her son and was really grateful. His companions asked "How did you know?" he said" Didn't Allah say who besides Allah responds to the call of the one who is in utter need? And the one who is in dire straits?" -She was a Sadiqa and he had Yaqeen. The privilege of being in Duah: -"That I would be deprived of remembering to be in Duah is more terrifying to me, than not getting what i ask for". Subhana Allah. -To be in duah is a permission from Allah. When we forget to be duah is because we don't deserve to be in duah. -Not to be in duah is worse on me than having what I asked for. -The idhn (permission) to be in duah is better than the state of receiving. -We are required to be in a state of uboodiyya and not required to be receiving. The haqq of Allah is us being in duah, to get what we desire is our Hadh (luck) of the nafs. Two huge difference status. -A question was asked to the Awliyaa "Which is better to continue to be in duah with out being given or to receive after a duah". It's better to continue to be in duah. -Duah implies the presence of the Qalb at the doorstep of Allah, and being given what we want neccessitates leaving. That which was holding you at the door is no longer there. Being careful about what to ask for: -Sometimes Allah responds to us and the very thing we ask for is a punishment. Allah knows the future and we shouldn't be presumptous, there is Wisdom in His delay. -Umar bin Khattab (RA) said "My concern is not to receive what I desire, but it is to be in duah". -Dont' insist on anything halal of this dunya, but only of matters that bring us closer to Him. -When we are given it doesn't mean that Allah loves us, Allah gives to a Mu'umin the same way He gives to a Kaffir. When He doesn't give us it doesn't mean He doesn't love us. Allah's Wisdom on Giving and Witholding: -Sometimes when Allah has hubb/love for a abd, He doesn't give him/her what she wants because Allah loves to hear the voice of that abd. "Oh Jibreel delay the reward of my abd, because I love to hear the lamentation of my abd". Sometimes He says" Oh Jibreel give him/her what he/she wants for I detest to hear him/her voice". (so scary! Just because we are in a state of blessing does not mean we are being loved by Allah (or vice versa.) Higher Stations of Duah (not to ask for mundane of dunya): -Some awliyaa are shy to ask for the halal of this dunya. Rabiah and Yahya two saintly persons that chose to be in poverty, had one daughter who was 5 years old. The daughter came to one of them and said "I need something to eat with this dry bread" the response was "Ya binti why don't you ask Allah?" The five year old girl said "I feel shy (hayaa) to ask Allah for something to be eaten". Subhana Allah. May Allah make us of His righteous Ibaad. [/quote] If you have any more questions please feel free to ask. And Allah knows best. Your sis in Struggle, [wlm] |
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