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al-ajnabia
04/18/04 at 09:15:54
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I've been kinda quiet the past few days, and if you're tired of reading my troubles, stop reading here.

04/18/04 at 09:24:29
al-ajnabia
Re: Educational contriversy
Mona
04/18/04 at 10:56:57
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is she muslim?

it sounds to me that she has not received any sensitivity training at all.  just write her off as a wacko.  if you don't write anything during class, why do you even bother going???  do other students find her incompetent too?

my advice though is not to report this to the dean unless you have documented every incident and have witnesses to back you up on your claims.  the school tends to side with the prof, espcecially if there is not enough evidence of wrongdoing.    

try to be patient sr. pepple.  people have different capacities and are not angels.

take care
wassalam

 
Re: Educational contriversy
al-ajnabia
04/18/04 at 14:22:57
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I would skip the class more often if I could but we have class three days a week and quizes at least two out of three days and we begin class with them and this is when she treats me so bad, then I hve to sit through her usless lectures for another hour and she usually goes over so that I cant even know hen I will get away from her.  Also atendance is such a big part of our grade that no one whoskips very often can pass the class.
My other grades are good enough that I fan fail the class and still have a 3.0 gpa, but it seems wrong to me that I will have to give up my hopes at graduating with a 3.7 pr better because  the behavior of this one teacher is so wrong.
Also I have to go to a judicial hearing because of Her complaints against Me on wednesday :'(
I really feel stuck. I do think she is a nut job. but she is a nut job with tenure and shi can single handedly take away my chances of ever getting a fellowship if I someday do decide to go for a doctorate. Also this bad grade will forever be on my transcript and will follow me to every job interview I go to inthe future, it will always be something that I have to explain. I guess when I go to interviews in the Middle east I can just exlplain she is a blatant zionist and this was pure discrimination but they might just think I'm too reactionary.
Re: Educational contriversy
al-ajnabia
04/19/04 at 13:02:02
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I just saw my professors complaint against me. It is very one sided and directly contradictory to the statements that my other professors have made on my behalf.
I've decided not to fight removing myslef from the class, actually I decided that before I saw the report, when i realized how much I look forward to my other classes and how normal they feel, i realized it is indeed insanity to set foot again in the class room. They even turned my atempts to report the problem against me.
Oh well, I know the person who will be deciding this case to be a fair person from a previous encounter, where I already mentioned to him the hardships I face trough the department.
I know that their reward is waiting for them, as mine is as well, i have only intended good and  to serve Allah everthing else is my own mistake or from the devil.
Do you know that when I preface a letter by saying that i entend to do the best in relating events and that all good is form allah and all bad is form the devil that this is not recognized as a standard islamic introduction by the department I am dealing with but as a symptom of mental problems? ::)
Somebody out there has to have a solution to this inshallah,
and for my part I'm getting out of that situation.
Re: Educational contriversy
Trustworthy
04/19/04 at 14:12:33
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Unexpected teacher's evaluation?  Tape the lectures?

More student complaints?

Ma-assalamah...
Re: Educational contriversy
Mona
04/19/04 at 18:19:24
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sis pepple, just keep your letters to the department very official and don't open with the statement " anything is good is from Allah and anything else is from you. " they don't understand this. talk to them according to their intelligence level, which i think is very low.  

don't let their little game shake your self confidence.  and if you can tape the lecture, do so.  

just aim to pass this course.  insha'Allah everything will be okay.  

take care
wassalam
Re: Educational contriversy
al-ajnabia
04/19/04 at 21:31:09
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I wont be going back to class. I've decided to take an F rather than to go back. The last time one of them wanted me removed from her class I was given the ulimatum that I could either give up or work alone with a male teacher. At the time I took this option because I needed the language credit to graduate.
They told people I was only meeting witht the other teacher as his girlfirend and the people in the building where this department is started calling me "la punta".
There is no comprimising with them, they are completely dirty.
What student or schollar of arabic classical literature does not know that allah guides and the devil leads astray, that all good is fron Allah and all bad is from the devil, or atleast that muslims believe this? It is inexcusable that they do not know this.  These are tenured professors at a big 10 school.  There is no excuse.
she requested that I be removed from her class and I will not object to that.  I stand behind everything that I said to her and I know that I was justified. I will not plea down, but stand my ground.  
If you heard what this woman says about islam you would not wish for her to remain in a teaching postion in any university but much less one of the largest in the nation.
It is time thier chickens came home to roost.  This time their antics will cause an F from an A student again, but unlike before, that F will be in their department.
Re: Educational contriversy
Nadeem
04/20/04 at 05:48:59
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You know stuff like this makes me quite annoyed.  >:( Why some people think its alright, and sleep easy after slandering someone else's reputation is beyond me.

Sister, you've mentioned troubles with your trying to learn Arabic before, or rather trying to get unhelpful teachers to teach you.  
I said it then and I'll say it now, I commend you for still going ahead even though people give you such a hard time. ;-)

I think Sister Trustworthy's idea about taping the lectures is a really good one.  I remember when I was a student (few years back now) many people brought dictaphones to tape the lecture.  This way, when she starts berating you, you have proof.  
Also, is it possible that your fellow class mates may be able to show a bit of solidarity with you.  If the teacher sees it's more than one student standing up to her, she might be jolted into treating the issue seriously.

Wish you all the best inshallah.  Don't give up on learning Arabic.  Don't give up on your dream to go to Qatar.  May Allah make this easier for you, inshallah. :)

[wlm]
Re: Educational contriversy
al-ajnabia
04/20/04 at 09:07:54
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thanks for your advice, I was planningto start tapeing the lectures but she canceled class for a week and then I got the letter about her complaint so todays class is the only class between now and then and I dont think I sould go today.
I'm not giving up on learning arabic, I just dont plan to learn arabic here anymore.
I strongly suspect that they have been using hypnosis on the students, and this is very dangerous.  They always want the students to come alone to their office hours, more than in any other department that I have ever met. When I had a previous problem with an instructor I did tape her lecture and I notced when listening back to the tape that the class got very quiet after she gradually counted backward from three while saying other things, I cant remember exactly how she did it but it was smooth.  I cant explain it but maybe I can find my tape and trascribe it, it was really spooky.  My grandpa is a hypnotist so maybe that is why I am resisting them.  He checks my mental state every week, so if they do anything to me he straghtens it right back out. I know tha tsounds weird, but people have said on here that htey beleive hypnosis can cure things and this si true but is can also cause things.  I dont know how else to explain about the vast difference between my feelings about this class and my normal feelings about all my other classes.
These are just not safe people to be around.  In an ordinary case I cant imagine having a problem.  I have had professors wh owerent angels and sometimes I didnt feel like I got the grade I had earned, but I never thought they were out right evil or a real threat to my safety.  I feel that way about this whole department.
Also they are now aware that my other professors see me as normal, this means taht if they can get me alone they might do things to me that will change my behavior towards my other professors.  They just are not safe people. period.


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