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| Shahida |
| 05/07/04 at 08:05:17 |
| [slm] A sister asked me a q: she and her husband have been praying in jamaat together since they got married. He always says the iqamah, and then starts to lead the prayer. He never says the Athaan. They pray at home together, just the 2 of them. Does he HAVE to make the Athaan first? Or is it ok just to say the Iqamah? Wasalam Shahida - who didn't want to give the answer she was *so* sure of, and decided to check first...khair inshaAllah. |
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| sal |
| 05/08/04 at 06:39:22 |
| [slm] First of all it it suposed the man to pray at mosque and she can pray at home alone. But if there is any reason for his prayimg at home which should be temporary case then it is recommended to make AZAN WA ALLAH AI'LAM |
| 05/08/04 at 06:40:20 |
| sal |
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| Faisal |
| 06/06/04 at 08:55:15 |
| Ya,it's very important for males to pray in mosque with proper method ,including azaan. |
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| jannah |
| 06/06/04 at 20:31:38 |
| [slm] I heard something along the lines of, if it's a jama' then its better that athan should be called, it's better too for many different benefits, but you can check the fiqh with your imam inshallah. |
| 06/06/04 at 20:59:03 |
| jannah |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 06/06/04 at 20:43:11 |
| [slm] As far as I know, adhan is not fard, but a highly recommended sunnah. Therefore, *must* he call adhaan? No, it is not a *must* for him to call it. But if he did, it would be good and rewarding, insha Allah. Wallahu a'lam. |
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| Stephanie |
| 06/06/04 at 23:33:49 |
| [slm] So now I'm confused. . . my husband also calls iqamah when we pray together at home. Upon looking at my book "The Prayer and Purification" put out by Darussalam (which sis Sophia so sweetly sent me after my conversion :-* ) it says the Adhan should be with the purpose of calling the people to pray in congregation. It is reccomended to call it for every prayer, even for those who are not in a mosque. Iqamah is given to alert the people in the mosque that the prayer is about to begin. Upon it's announcement, the muslims line up, and the Imam commences with the prescribed prayer. The iqamah should be given for every obligatory prayer even if one is not praying in a mosque or is praying by himself. It is allowed for a woman who is praying alone or in a congregation of only women to call it. So by this definition, it seems as if Iqamah is okay because there is no need to call people in the community of the impending prayer. Still ambiguous though. If anyone finds out for sure please post!! Also, for those of us living in non muslim countries it might be the case that the masjid is a good 30 minutes away or more, and not always possible for the man to pray in the masjid, unfourtunately. :( I just remembered, on Friday evening sometimes a group of sisters get together at the local Muslim Community Center and last Friday we happend to be there at the time of Magrib. The men just started praying and were about half way through before any of us realized it. No athan, iqamah or nothing!! We were like ??? I thought that was strange. [wlm] :-) |
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| timbuktu |
| 06/07/04 at 06:52:30 |
| [slm] Adhaan and Iqamaa even if non-obligatory at home, serve some very useful purposes. many people leave it to the ulema (or mulla) or a bearded one to carry out such religious tasks. So when in real need, often there is no one who knows "how to"? I am painfully aware of it, as it happened to me a few times, until I decided I must overcome this shortcoming and learn these "basics". Second, if at home when praying together these are said, then any children in the house will also learn these and internalise them at an early age. This is a call to prayers to the muslims. It also serves as a means of dawah to non-muslims. |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 06/07/04 at 14:35:01 |
| [slm] [quote author=shareislam link=board=lighthouse;num=1083927918;start=0#5 date=06/06/04 at 23:33:49] my husband also calls iqamah when we pray together at home.[/quote] What he does is right, as your book also suggests. [quote]Upon looking at my book "The Prayer and Purification" put out by Darussalam (which sis Sophia so sweetly sent me after my conversion :-* ) it says the Adhan should be with the purpose of calling the people to pray in congregation. It is reccomended to call it for every prayer, even for those who are not in a mosque.[/quote] And this is what I also said in my previous post. There is no contradiction here, walhamdulillah. [quote]Iqamah is given to alert the people in the mosque that the prayer is about to begin. Upon it's announcement, the muslims line up, and the Imam commences with the prescribed prayer. The iqamah should be given for every obligatory prayer even if one is not praying in a mosque or is praying by himself. It is allowed for a woman who is praying alone or in a congregation of only women to call it. [/quote] This is why your husband is making the iqamah when he prays with you. [quote]So by this definition, it seems as if Iqamah is okay because there is no need to call people in the community of the impending prayer. Still ambiguous though. If anyone finds out for sure please post!![/quote] If you mean to say that adhan is not necessary in your case, and simply making the iqamah without calling the adhan is good enough, then you are right. It is ok, and sufficient, for you two to pray with iqamah only, and no adhan. However, if your husband did make adhaan, it would also be ok. In fact, it would be better, because there are great rewards for calling the adhaan. There are ahadith that say, for example, that when a man is travelling alone and prayer time arrives, he stops in the middle of the desert and calls adhaan, everything around him responds to his adhaan and prays for him. Adhaan is a form of ibaadah - worship - and the callers of adhaan will have the tallest necks on the day of Resurrection. Because of all these reasons and others, the scholars say it is good to call adhaan before the prayer, even if a person is praying by himself. However, it is not obligatory. Note: In the case of Masaajid, calling adhaan is Mustahabb Kifayah according to Imam Ibn Taimiyah, wallahu a'lam. [quote]I just remembered, on Friday evening sometimes a group of sisters get together at the local Muslim Community Center and last Friday we happend to be there at the time of Magrib. The men just started praying and were about half way through before any of us realized it. No athan, iqamah or nothing!! We were like ??? I thought that was strange.[/quote] It is not uncommon for the men to call the adhan and the iqamah without using the microphone. It might be that they did call the adhan and the iqamah, but they did not make any effort for the sisters to be able to hear it. Praying in jama'ah without the iqamah is definitely strange. Wassalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah |
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| Saam |
| 06/08/04 at 13:48:06 |
| [slm] Now I myself have become confused. I once called the athaan at home, and my roommate told me not to at home, since it is bid'ah. I asked him for daleel and, though he couldn't remember where the hadiths were from and exactly which ones they were, he gave 2 examples: 1. When Muhammad [saw] and 'Ali (RA) were alone and he [saw] pulled 'Ali (RA) beside him [saw] to pray, they did not call the Athaan. 2. When Muhammad [saw] was sick and prayed at home, he never called the Athaan. Does anyone know how true these are. Even if they are true, I was thinking that just because the Prophet [saw] did not say the Athaan in these specific cases, it does not mean saying it is bid'ah, especially in light of the ahadith AbuHamza cited: "that when a man is travelling alone and prayer time arrives, he stops in the middle of the desert and calls adhaan, everything around him responds to his adhaan and prays for him." Can you guys give the exact hadith number and book etc as well as show other daleels or fatawa (based on daleel) showing that saying it at home would not be bid'ah. Then insh'Allah I can show my roommate. Jazakallah khair. Wassalaam, Saam ;-) |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 06/08/04 at 14:55:54 |
| [slm] Regarding the incident of the Prophet [saw] pulling Ali to pray with him, were they praying a fard prayer or a nafilah? As for the hadith, here is one: 'Uqbah ibn 'Aamar said he heard the Prophet, upon whom be peace, say, "Your Lord, the Exalted, is amazed (and pleased) by one who is watching sheep in his pasture, then goes to the mountain to make the call to prayer and pray. Allah, the Exalted, says, 'Look at my slave there who makes the call to prayer and establishes the prayer out of fear of Me. I have forgiven my slave and have allowed him to enter Paradise."' (Related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud and anNasa'i.) |
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