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A question about the scarf
tripplea
05/07/04 at 21:31:54
[slm]

I was watching this documentary called "Islam Unveiled". In this program a secular feminist tried to prove that the headscarves had no basis in Islam(!!), and that Muslims women only began to wear it after the death of the Prophet, because they began to copy Byzantian women when Christian lands were conquered. Of couse, that lady gave no historical evidence to support this. I didn't believe her one bit, but it did make me curious. So, does anyone know anything about this?
05/07/04 at 21:42:24
tripplea
Re: A question about the scarf
jannah
05/08/04 at 01:18:55
[wlm]

That has no basis. We've been over this topic a number of times before. You might be able to find a few of the threads in the archives. Just click on archives the menu and use keyword 'hijab'.


here's a response someone wrote to an anti-hijab article recently:


I think your article has some interesting points; particularly the ideas that Islam should not be dominated by one particular culture, that men too should be cognizant of their duties, and that modesty is not limited to simply one covering their hair.

However, it is important for us to understand the texts of the Quran and the Hadeeth properly in order for us to practice Islam in the best, most complete and correct way possible.

The mufasireen of the Quran understand the word 'khimaar' to refer to something that covers the *head* (and this an uncontested definition of the word in Arabic, just as the word 'hat' in English always refers to something worn upon the head) and the verse in Surah Noor legislates that believing women should draw this head-covering over their chests as well.  Thus there is *no question* that the verse in Surah Noor which describes the modest dress of women includes a covering of the hair, and no person who is adept in the Arabic language would contend this.

It's also important to note that while the Quran is the primary and most fundamental source of Shari'ah, the Sunnah is also key, and there are *many* texts that clearly legislate hijab.  Also, a third source of the Shari'ah is the ijmaa' [consensus] of the scholars, which, since the time of the prophet Muhammad, salAllahu alayhi wasalam until the decline of Muslim scholarship after the Golden Age of the 12th-13th century  included many women.  Women were integral contributors to the arena of scholarship in all the Islamic sciences from Ulumul Quran, Hadeeth, Fiqh, etc. thus negating Mernessi's thesis that hijab was advocated solely by a male elite.  Thus they were part of the 'ijmaa that understood that hijab eg, modest dress including a covering of the hair, is a requirement.

I agree that there is certainly an over-emphasis on hijab and the physical dress of Muslim women, while many other aspects of her faith are often neglected altogether.  And it is a sad truth that women are often judged by whether they don the hijab or not -- however none of these things negate the fact that hijab is an established aspect of our deen, and is something clearly taught in the tradition of our prophet, our scholarship (which includes many educated women) and in the Quran itself.
05/08/04 at 02:57:14
jannah
Re: A question about the scarf
little._.sister
05/18/04 at 05:04:02
[quote author=jannah link=board=sis;num=1083976315;start=0#1 date=05/08/04 at 01:18:55][wlm]

here's a response someone wrote to an anti-hijab article [/quote]

[slm]
Where can we read this article?
Re: A question about the scarf
jannah
05/18/04 at 13:38:39
[wlm]

It's the little blurb right up there...
Re: A question about the scarf
sal
05/18/04 at 15:45:28
[slm]

Look at the  MAWJIBAAT  AZAAB AL  GABRE  


There are 25 factors   that  cause the AZAB AL  GHABRE (punishment  in the  grave )one of  them  is  if the  hair  of  a  woman  is  seen by non  Mahram (  a  male  who can marry  her )   most of these  are   things we are performing daily  as    minor  sins  . and  I think we  should be  very careful taking things  not  seriously

wa  ALLAH AL MUWAFIGH



Re: A question about the scarf
Kathy
05/18/04 at 16:06:24
[slm]

Learn something new every day...
What is the translation of : MAWJIBAAT

Can you give me a link so i can read more of this punishment?
Re: A question about the scarf
al-ajnabia
05/18/04 at 17:34:40
[slm]
I think it means the things that are required but my arabic is screwy so dont trust me on that.
Re: A question about the scarf
sal
05/22/04 at 15:19:47
[slm]Yes  it can  be as  sister ajnabiyah said  but  it  can  also  be  CAUSES
MAWJIBAAT  AZZAAB  AL  AL  GHABRE  means  Those  things  that cause punishemnt in the  grave

as  there are also  MUNJIYAAT(SAVERS) those  things  that  saves  us from punishemt  in the  grave  if we  do  them

sorry sis  kathy  i dont  have a  link  for that  but  i will  see  if i can  find  other wise  i will  write these   MAWJIBAAT and  MUNJIYAAT  over  here  Inshallah .  
Is  that  ok ?

Masalamah for  now  

Re: A question about the scarf
Trustworthy
05/22/04 at 20:47:12
[slm]...

I saw that documentary too and that is the reason why I have to explain myself to everyone that asks me why I wear my hijab and other Muslim women don't.

"We're all human and God (SWT) gave us free will.  It is clearly stated in the Qur'an that covering from head to toe only showing the face and the hands is a MUST for Muslim women.  It does not mean that these women who don't cover are bad, may be they just fear the public more then they fear God (SWT)."

Ma-asalaamah....
Re: A question about the scarf
Kathy
05/22/04 at 23:16:36
[wlm]

Yes, I would like more info. I looked for this in the books we have at our new library and did not find any mention of this.

Is there a book in English you can recomend that would have this info?
Re: A question about the scarf
al-ajnabia
05/23/04 at 16:56:24
[slm]
ugg, you think its bad when you wear hijab and some sisters dont,you should try with the niqab.
If I can get away with it, I say "the other sisters were complaining about how beautiful I am" but I cant exactly say that with them standing right there now can I? But its also the truth to say I feel more comfy in it.
and if I get acused of being unimpowered I laugh like a crazy person because this thing, well it is really powerful feeling to have whatever look on your face you really feel whenever you are talking to anybody, and they can suspect but they dont really know.
Re: A question about the scarf
Stephanie
05/23/04 at 20:08:33
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Interestingly enough, I was flipping through a book the other day that made the claim that later Muslims adopted the headcovering from the Persians.  Really this argument makes no sense.  How could it be that the Persians, Christians, Jews, etc. ALL covered their head, but not the pre or early Islamic women.  Do they really think that all the cultures around them were covering while the women of Arabia were "free" to walk around uncovered, and it wasn't until later that the "evil" muslim men forced them in an act of submission and subjugation?  

Isn't it generally excepted that the early women wore headcoverings, but allowed for their cleavage to show, and thus the verse?  Also, can anyone direct me to some of the hadith that talk about the "hijab" (as we now call it).  I have heard there are many that support it, but have never been given a reference.

[wlm]
:-)  Your sis in Islam
Re: A question about the scarf
humble_muslim
05/25/04 at 12:58:07
AA

Salem,

Please give references to anything you put up, please.

Jazak Allah.
NS
Re: A question about the scarf
QK
05/26/04 at 00:15:56
can anyone gimme the reference to that hadith someone mentioned over here regarding the 25 MAWJIBAAT  AZAAB AL  GABRE ???
Re: A question about the scarf
sal
05/27/04 at 17:52:39
[slm]
There are books mentioning this such as The Grave ..its punishment and blessing)but not widly explained
However Dr Omar Abdulkafi has made series of tapes called DAAR AL AKHIRAH in his 72 hrs Halagha (class)
the tape #5 is talking about mawjibaat azzab al gabre in details

sister kathy ,asked me to put those MAWJIBAAT AZAAB AL  GABRE and here they are


[u]Mawjibaat Azaab al Ghaber (Sins that cause punishment in the grave)[/u]

Al Tathaaghu'l an salaah maktubah(indolence to the obligatory prayers)
It is those people who actually pray but they delay it to the last time of the prayer
time

Al kazib(lie)
Any kind of lie except the permissible lie such as during war to enemy or making  peace between person who are angry to each other ,etc.
Al ribaa'(usury)
Bank interest etc

Man yarah sha'ruha ajnabi'(she who's  hair is seen by foreigner ( i.e.. man who  legally can marry her)
Al  muskiraat intoxicants)
any kind of it be it in a form of liquid or what ever

Akl maal al yateem( eating the property of the orphan )
We may think we are careful and confident we don’t do this  however it happens. we do that indirectly and specially at the very moment the father passes away.
In some cultures as we know people make a sort of invitation and some money is spent over this gathering .Now, these  expenses is the property of the orphans after their father dies and  since the dead has no more possession to this money it is their property being used without their permission .
Man tu'zi zawjaha bi lisaan (she who harms  her husband with her tongue)
Intended argument to drive  him angry .some wives after they make  him lose his temper then they complain of his reactions during his roughness she has caused such as  this  and others  are harming the husband with tongue
Man tu'zi jaarataha bi lisaanaha (she who hurts her neighbor with her tongue )


Khutabaa' fitnah (spreading abhorrence )some times we do act with friends or relatives as if we are to their side as sort of love and caring  by warning from specified person by creating our own bad attributes over that  person .this may cause a hatred between these people

Man yakhaaf min al makhlugh wala yakhaaf min ALLAH (fearing the human being and not fearing allah
Its seems strange how a believer can do that however despite this still this  happens.imagine if a person is making any kind of physical sin he  knows it is a wrong deed  and the door is knocked. He will run here and there to hide that thing So he is fearing the person who came not to see what he is doing and didn’t fear ALLAH who was watching him since the begijning before he is interrupted

Man yughdem kalaam al makhluugh an kalaam ALLAH (giving priority to the word of the creature to the word of ALLAH )
If you ask for some thing or try to know or what ever. and that person swears by the name of ALLAH to convince you so if you say that you don’t believe him but if he swears in another way such as ALEYAH AL TALAAGH ( If I am lying my wife is divorced ) or Wa hayaat ibni ( let my son die if  I am lying ) or any  similar local swears according the region the person is at  then if you believe him after this it means you are glorifying the things he swears at and not ALLAH. We are suppose to believe muslem  who swears by the name of ALLAH even if he is lying anf if he is lying that is his sin and leave it to ALLAH
This  is what  is meant by giving priority to the word of human being

Man laa yatatahar min al bawl (not protecing onself from urine )

Man laa yunsir al mazluum wa huwe ghaadre (not helping the oppressed if when we are able to )

Al namimah (backbiting )

Al matatabiuun ( following , spying )
If we  try to know the  personal affairs of others we are not permitted . his way of life ,what he does. etc

Al Rashwah (The bribe )

Ghatiuu al tarigh ( robbery )

as-haab al bida'(Innovations

Man laa yatathar bi Aayaat al quran  wa yitathar bi mazaameer  al shayateen
stimulating the flute (music) of satan and not the verses of QURAN

it is became normal routine the music is being listening more than the recitation  of QURAN
we see youth dancing even while driving with a music and if he passes on his way a station reciting quran he tries to pass it very fast .they know the names of singers more then the  names of ULAMA'
Al ghawl alaa  ALLAH  dun ILM( saying things about ALLAH with out knowledge )
this  can  be defined  in two ways
Either intentionally or ignorantly ,in some regions for instance in the arab world the saying Haraam Alaik ( Haram on to you )is used as a common expression  
So what for instance happens is if a good muslem who raises his kids in a nice Islamic way lets say his daughter use hijaab early then comes across a man shouting from far asay YAA  sheikh HARAM alek (hey WHAT YOU ARE DOING  IS  HARAM) he  is relating the haram to the hijaab without knowing ,so it  means he says some thing ALLAH didn’t say or told to .the danger despite its  innocence of not believing what he says haram is not from his heart but as a matter of custom  but since what is a joke for a  person or fun can mean real to the person who is ignorant of such thing so we should be careful not to say what leads us to such a  big danger  
The other one is if the person verdicts wrong with out a full knowledge intentionally which is worse

Khayanah  al  ammanah (betraying who trusts you )
This can  be the job you are trusted for doing the best way it has to be.
A friend telling you a secret then you transfer to others  
The secrets between the spouses  etc

Faahishu al lisaan (nasty tongue )
Those who often use bad words some times as  a  joke and some times seriously etc

WA ALLAH' A'LLAM





Re: A question about the scarf
sal
05/27/04 at 18:13:59
[quote]In this program a secular feminist tried to prove that the headscarves had no basis in Islam(!!), and that Muslims women only began to wear it after the death of the Prophet[/quote]
Sister trplea, there is a proof in the QURAN regarding this in surah al ahzaab and surah al an nur
in surah an- nur it says
and to draw their veils all over their (juyabihinnah) i.e.their bodies,faces,necks and bossoms  etc AL NUR(18:31)

Also in surah al AHZAAB says
and do not display yourselves like that of the time of ignorance ......etc
al ahzab(22:59)

wa ALLAHU' A'llam



05/27/04 at 18:15:43
sal
Re: A question about the scarf
Kathy
05/27/04 at 22:28:01
[slm]

Who is Dr Omar Abdulkafi? I have read the other points in different hadith but not the Man yarah sha'ruha ajnabi'.
Do you happen to know where or what proof he got the hair/foreign man statement from?
05/27/04 at 22:28:37
Kathy
Re: A question about the scarf
tripplea
05/28/04 at 19:41:36
[quote author=Salem link=board=sis;num=1083976315;start=10#15 date=05/27/04 at 18:13:59]
Sister trplea, [/quote]

Whoa! Hold it! Since when did I become female?

And yes, I'm aware that the quran says:

             "Tell thy wives and
             daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer
             garments over their persons...that they should be known and not
             molested." [Chapter 33, verse 59]
Re: A question about the scarf
sal
05/31/04 at 15:45:26
[slm]
[quote]Who is Dr Omar Abdulkafi? I have read the other points in different hadith but not the Man yarah sha'ruha ajnabi'[/quote]
He  is a Da'ee .He  is  from egypt .I recommend his  tapes  or now  in cd .
[wlm]


[quote]Whoa! Hold it! Since when did I become female?[/quote]

[size=8]Brother[/size]tripplea ,I am sorry  :(for calling you sister. please!!!forgive me . :-[ [wlm]

05/31/04 at 15:46:27
sal


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