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| Abu_Hamza |
| 05/05/04 at 22:18:01 |
| [slm] Chris, there is a really nice book that is available to read online which answers a lot of questions similar to what you asked. Here it is, for your future reference insha Allah: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/law/fiqhussunnah/ Wassalamu alaikum |
| 05/08/04 at 01:28:03 |
| jannah |
| Fiqh us Sunnah |
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| Mossy |
| 05/06/04 at 06:49:17 |
| Hmm.. I've always been somewhat hesitant in recommending fiqh us sunnah - while it presents the views of various imams on a subject, it doesn't really contain the background information on the madhabs to give an idea of how these were reached. Plus the way it's laid out makes it easy to invalidly mix the various rulings.. I don't think it's quite accurate on some positions either, especially due the variance within some of the schools on this.. An individual collection of fiqh books would probably be better, but some of those are scaary.. Still, it's a good quick and easy reference nonetheless. |
| 05/08/04 at 01:29:39 |
| jannah |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 05/06/04 at 22:41:38 |
| [slm] Akhi Mossy, for an advanced student of knowledge like yourself, I agree that Fiqh Us Sunnah is not sufficient. However, for the purpose of a new Muslim like Br. Chris or a beginner, the book of Sh. Sayyid Sabiq is a gem. It is also the only book available online in English which presents basic Fiqh (Fard ayn) in an easy-to-understand manner, and remains concise in its discourse yet readily points out the disagreements of scholars on various issues followed by the author's own judgment to facilitate the unlearned reader in making a decision for him/herself. Wallahu a'lam. |
| 05/08/04 at 01:30:10 |
| jannah |
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| Mossy |
| 05/07/04 at 03:03:51 |
| Advanced student :D I'm an ignoranus.. Fiqh us Sunnah doesn't really point out the disagreements of the scholars in all that much detail - especially as a madhab isn't always represented by it's originator Imam.. Neither does it delineate the care one should take to avoid invalid talfiq (mixin n matchin) between the ijtihad of the mujtahids of each of the madhabs - this is my main area of concern. One can combine various actions as indicated in fiqh us sunnah and come up with an amalgamation for something such as prayer which is invalid in any madhab. Thus I think it's far safer to stick to the rulings of one madhab until one feels comfortable enough about one's knowledge of fiqh to pick and mix entire and whole actions and avoid the aforementioned talfiq. Still, as I said, it's a decent reference if nothing else is handy. I did also agree some of the madhab fiqh books can be scary though. Eep. |
| 05/08/04 at 01:30:51 |
| jannah |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/07/04 at 06:48:47 |
| [slm] I agree with Abu Hamza, it is an excellent book and provides a variety of scholarly proofs on issues. Its a must have book for any new Muslim. [quote author=Mossy link=board=bro;num=1083684676;start=0#7 date=05/07/04 at 03:03:51]Thus I think it's far safer to stick to the rulings of one madhab until one feels comfortable enough about one's knowledge of fiqh to pick and mix entire and whole actions and avoid the aforementioned talfiq. [/quote] I disagree, I think that's very dangerous and scary, because usually in that case, no daleel is provided. Now if some evidence is provided for a ruling from a particular school, then I'm fine with that, but too often there is no daleel given, and many times, scholars within a school will have different opinions which adds to the confusion. |
| 05/08/04 at 01:31:23 |
| jannah |
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| Mossy |
| 05/07/04 at 08:31:17 |
| Salams bhaloo, Most new muslims I've helped out get even more confused by daleels, madhabs provide internally juristically consistent "prepackaged" Islam without the danger of talfiq.. There are agreed on fiqh manuals for most schools.. Buuuuuut, we shall agree to disagree on this topic I think ;) Fi aman Allah :) Mossy |
| 05/08/04 at 01:29:11 |
| jannah |
| Re: Fiqh us Sunnah |
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| jannah |
| 05/08/04 at 01:28:35 |
| [wlm] I think its better that a new Muslim learns from real people, a teacher and their Imam, etc.. cause its really easy to pick and choose from Fiqh-us-Sunnah.. especially where it just lists.. here are the 4 madhabs viewpoint and people tend to pick which one they like regardless of weighing the evidence and their situation and mix and match with other stuff which can lead them to doing things wrong! |
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| superFOB |
| 05/08/04 at 04:44:32 |
| [slm] Good admin job, whoever split the thread up. Btw, why does it say thread started by salem? Buggy board? |
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| jannah |
| 05/08/04 at 13:16:55 |
| [wlm] Sorry I thought his post was the first one on this subject but then upon moving it here i deleted the first one. |
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| sal |
| 05/09/04 at 06:30:32 |
I do agree totallywith this [quote] Most new muslims I've helped out get even more confused by daleels, madhabs provide internally juristically consistent "prepackaged" Islam without the danger of talfiq[/quote] Non or new muslems ask such questions Is the QURAN the word of ALLAH ?they are satisfied with the answer yes But when we recommend a specified book they ask how do we know this book is correct since it is not QURAN. for this reason i think the answer for this is [quote]I think its better that a new Muslim learns from real people, a teacher and their Imam, etc[/quote] wa ALLAHU AI'LAM |
| 05/09/04 at 06:32:35 |
| sal |
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| superFOB |
| 05/10/04 at 16:58:36 |
| [slm] Why do people go to schools for when there are a lot of books for dummies out there? If we think that a teacher is necessary to give a broader picture in worldly matters, why is that we try to learn the deen on our own, with disjoint snap shots of the many facets of al-islam? Have anybody heard the story of the six blind men and the elephant? Here it is http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/1179.html. Relying too much on books, imho, generates a disdain for the scholars of islam, a misplaced trust in one's own conclusions (mostly wrong albeit in a subtle way), and worse. Most of the modern books, translations, and compilations are distilled versions of the real thing and these watered down texts can not take the place of a teacher who has spent years in the pursuit of 'ilm. Btw, if someone sincerely thinks that there are no knowledgeable people around, it becomes their duty to seek knowledge to fill that void. And the key to that is to strive, spend, and leave the comfort of home in order to learn the deen from the 'ulama. I am pretty sure that there are no short cuts. |
| 05/10/04 at 17:03:41 |
| superFOB |
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| Abu_Hamza |
| 05/10/04 at 23:39:34 |
| [slm] Jannah, you're right. It's best for 'beginner' Muslims (especially new Muslims) to learn directly from other Muslims who are learned in their Deen. It's dangerous to independently rely on books at the beginning stages. But sometimes shyness makes it difficult to ask certain questions. Even though we know that we should struggle to overcome that when it comes to learning our Deen. But nevertheless, the struggle is more difficult for some than others. Especially when a person is new to the Deen, not knowing too many people, feeling like a stranger and a new kid on the block. Also there are few communities where people take the time out to teach other Muslims (especially new Muslims). When we lack in that, it becomes difficult for someone to always have a mentor, a teacher, a guide to turn to. Wallahu a'lam. |
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| Mossy |
| 05/11/04 at 12:33:38 |
| Salam, In the absence of a willing/accessible teacher to guide someone new in Islam, what reading material would be best? As I've stated before, my main problem with fiqh us sunnah is that it makes it extremely easy indeed to perform talfiq despite the fact that one is not qualified to do this. The understanding of why this is undesireable would not be readily apparent to someone who has just entered into the religion, as there is a tendency amongst these to believe that ijtihad, or a process akin to this, is something that should be accessible to everyone that reads the Qu'ran, even in translated form. I think something related to this is the way in which the muslim community tend to praise potential converts/people learning about Islam for their "understanding" as they see elements of the religion that appeal to them and fit into their world view from their own readings, as opposed to that of scholars. However, once the aforementioned individual enters the religion, there is often a change in perception as he/she is now told that Islam is a monolithic set of rules, with no difference in interpretation/implementation - be this via a madhab system, or the effective taqleed of the salafi minhaj. That can all be rather confusing and frustrating. I think the best thing to do is to be told that there is room for variance in opinion - ikhtilaf, but when one is starting on the path of Islam, it is safer to follow one of the preset paths before being able to pick and choose rulings once one can truly understand the basic juristic techniques behind this. I say this because I trust the mujtahid imams and indeed the muqallid scholars who do taqleed upon them. I believe their rulings are valid as their methodologies are valid and so there is no harm in following this until one has the tools available to analyse for oneself. Again, there are accepted fiqh books for each madhab as well as the other groups.. Confusion should be avoided when one is laying one's foundations. As an aside, I think Islam for Dummies is a great book :) ws Mossy |
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| superFOB |
| 05/12/04 at 01:56:53 |
| [slm] I guess there is no harm in consulting books to supplement one's knowledge of the deen. But a red flag is raised when someone starts deciding upon halaal and haraam based on their patchy knowledge base. The importance of this can't be over emphasised. Would anyone want to get a surgery done by a doctor with no certification? |
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