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| Saam |
| 05/27/04 at 03:38:00 |
| [slm] Just last night, I got a very disturbing phone call from a Christian evangelist living in my hometown. He said people had expressed concern to him about my recent "experiment" with Islam. (The nerve this guy has, referring to my choice to completely and totally submit to God as an "experiment.") It was late and I told him I did not want to speak with him; he asked if he could call back tomorrow, and I asked him not to. In response he yelled saying that he really needed to talk to me. I asked him kindly not to call me back again and said that I was not interested; he wouldn't hang up the phone, so I had to hang up on him. He immediately called a few times more, so I had to turn my phone off. I wasn't sure how he got my number (since I never use it in my hometown, only at college) or learned about my name; and I asked my family that night. I know I can trust them, and they said that they never asked anyone to contact me, nor gave anyone my information. At first, I thought this was a doing of my family, but since they reassured me that it was not, I began to get a little worried about who would go to such lengths to get my information. I realized maybe I was a little hot-headed the night before, and perhaps I should let him say what he wants to say so I can then educate him and clear his misconceptions about Islam. Today, he called me again. Everytime he has called me, his phone number came up as unknown (pretty fishy). I asked him how he got my number and who gave him my name, and he said he couldn't reveal his sources (even fishier). I should've refused to talk to him at that point, but didn't. First thing he said was "how can you turn your back on your family and country, especially after the events of 9/11." I tried to explain to him how those had nothing to do with Islam. The whole time during the phone conversation, nothing but venom and hatred spewed from his mouth. He completely demonized Islam, Muhammad [saw] , the Qur'an, and Muslims... calling them "evil" and "full of hatred" and hurling insults at our blessed Prophet [saw] calling him a "sex maniac" etc etc etc. Of course, I've heard all of this hatred before from anti-Islamic evangelist Christian websites, but I've never met someone like this... nor have I been the target of it. I tried to educate him as to the truth of true Islam, let him know the true message of Muhammad [saw] , and give him the proof for our beliefs. He wouldn't hear any of it. In a respectful manner, I gave him innumerable quotations from the Bible that completely refute the idea of the Trinity, but he refused to listen. He kept talking about the "love" of his religion, but not once during the conversation did I feel even the hint of love from this man; nothing but pure hatred. Not once did I insult him or his religion, and God forbid that I would ever insult Hazrat 'Issa ('alayhi salaam). I had to do all that I could to keep myself from raising my voice when he insulted our Prophet [saw] . At times, I could not stop myself from doing so (astaghfirullah). I reminded myself of the hadith of a man cursing at Abu Bakr about him and then Islam and Muhammad [saw] leaving Abu Bakr when he began to argue back; since while Abu Bakr was saying nothing, an angel was defending him saying "Abu Bakr is on the Haqq," but when Abu Bakr argued back, the angel left. A few times during our conversation, his cell phone got cutoff... he said that he was using Sprint which had bad reception, and followed that with, "It must be run by Mozlems and foreigners; it wouldn't be this way if it was run by Americans." >:( The NERVE! I told the man that if he wanted to discuss we had to establish guidelines not to insult each other or each others' faiths, but he had no respect for anything whatsoever. After one hour of perhaps one of the most virulent conversations anyone has had with me, I had to leave; I took his name and asked him not to call back. He said he still would and "would not give up on me." He said he is a "youth counselor" for his church and that I am his "personal assignment." :o !!!!! Talk about feeling stalked. I again said if he calls me back I will block his number... he said he would still call me. I then said if he called me back, I would call the police. His response: "Who do you think the police would side with, the Christian or the Mozlem?" What does this guy think? My town isn't *that* small :-/ . He said he was still going to call me. I thought our society was educated to some extent about Islam; I did not know that people really had such backwards and misguided thoughts of our beautiful deen. I thought our society had reach a certain level of tolerance for various thoughts and beliefs, apparently I was wrong. I don't think I have ever before personally experienced such an espousment of hate. I don't know if any of you had experienced similar types of harassment from your community, but I felt I needed to share mine, both for my own sake and for the sake of the Ummah. Anything any of you have to say will be helpful. [wlm] Saam ;-) |
| 05/27/04 at 03:44:01 |
| Saam |
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| Nadeem |
| 05/27/04 at 05:01:09 |
| [slm] Brother Saad, I'm sorry to hear about your difficult experience, but it sounds like you had the upper hand, by retaining your dignity while this man espoused hatred to you. I commend you for trying to convince him of the Prophet's (pbuh) message, but don't be too disheartened that he didn't listen to you. It seems from your story that this man felt that you were probably weak in faith having just accepted Islam recently (is this right?) so he saw you as a potential "soft spot". Also, I have heard of Evangelists -the ones who keep going on about "my God is not the God of the Mozlems", is that right? - before and have a question for you, or for others. Is this evangelist movement specific to America? ??? The reason I ask, is I have never come across them in England. People here are generally quite tolerant of each other. In recent times people are suspicious, sure, and some ignorant types say filthy stuff, but thats becasue they don't really know about Islam and just following the media. The Christians I've met in England, are generally very respectful, and do not think that "Mozlems worship the Kaaba, or the Moon God" or whatever else I've heard Evangelists say. They know we worship the same One God and that we just have different viewpoint. In England, we have Jehovah's Witnesses who are persistent but always, always very very respectful. If you tell them you're not interested they try to engage with you. If you ask them to leave you alone they go. Inshallah, I think if a Muslim knows his/her faith well enough, he/she can logically discuss reasons why Islam is true (inshallah, one day I will get there! :) ) with non-Muslims in a comprehensive manner. What you describe in your real-life story is not of a person who wanted to discuss but rather somehow scare and bully you. The "who do you think the police will believe" comment was particularly intimidatory and nasty, I feel. Surely the police would protect a citizen who is being aggressively harassed by another? May Allah ease your difficulties and guide you and protect you. [wlm] |
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| timbuktu |
| 05/27/04 at 05:04:33 |
| [slm] this sounds serious, brother there are two possiblities: either he is what he says - an evangelist, or someone from the government, in both cases, your best course of action would be to contact your local Muslim help group and CAIR, and register a complaint with the police. may Allah (swt) protect you always. Don't forget to make the masnoon duas after Fajr and Maghrib. bismillahillazi la yadurru ma`asmihi shaiun fil arde wa la fissama`i wa huwas samiul-Aleem (3 times) aoodu bikalimatillahi taamaati min sharri ma khalaq (3 times) |
| 05/27/04 at 05:10:18 |
| timbuktu |
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| muslimah853 |
| 05/27/04 at 10:09:59 |
| [slm] I think you're just encouraging him by even engaging him. I would inform him that further calls to your house qualify as harassment. File a complaint the police, and the phone company and take it from there. Do not talk to this person. It will only fuel the flames. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 05/27/04 at 10:57:52 |
| the whole story sounds kind weird. I think there are quite a few possibilities not just 2. I am pretty sure it is not a missionary. But I agree if someone is calling you up just hang up and do not engage them or maybe offer to meet them for lunch and take someone with you. Nadeem, I would consider myself a Christian evangelical. Myself and other Christain evangelicals that I know are respectful of everyones opinions. There are however people of any faith that are bigots and disrespectful of other people. |
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| Nadeem |
| 05/27/04 at 11:36:41 |
| [slm] [quote author=mike link=board=madrasa;num=1085639880;start=0#4 date=05/27/04 at 10:57:52]Nadeem, I would consider myself a Christian evangelical. Myself and other Christain evangelicals that I know are respectful of everyones opinions. There are however people of any faith that are bigots and disrespectful of other people.[/quote] Really? You're an evangelical? Hmm.... maybe I'm mistaken in my understanding of the word "evangelist" then. If so, excuse my ignorance. I must confess my knowledge of evangelists is very limited. My intention was not to offend you, but merely to point out that some people have very untrue and malicious views about Islam. Clearly, you do not strike me as one of these people. :) I'm a little confused though. Perhaps you can better help me understand what exactly an evanglist is? There was a documentary on primetime TV in the UK (last year I think it was) where a very prominent evangelist called Pat (sorry I forget his surname) was expressing the views I described in my earlier post. Also a fellow called Jerry Falwell I've heard of. I was led to believe that they believe that Allah was a false god. This is why I asked if it was an American thing because I hadn't encountered any in England. In England, so far as I'm aware there are Protestants and Catholics. Catholics are more orthodox, and Protestants have many denominations, the largest one being the CofE (Church of England). As far as I'm aware, please advise me if this in incorrect, they don't believe the views as expressed by the individuals I mentioned in the preceding paragraph. [wlm] |
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| Stephanie |
| 05/27/04 at 12:29:15 |
| [slm] WOW, brother I read this post last night and it disturbed me very much. It is well known to me that these type of people exist, though alhumdillillah I haven't had any personal interaction. Since september 11, there is much negative media out there about Islam. For instance, do a search on amazon.com for Islam, and half if not more of the stuff you come up with will be propaganda trash, not to mention various websites and message boards. Growing up in this country, (before I converted) I was always taught that Islam was was one of the 3 Abrahamic faiths. Like Bro. Nadeem pointed out, I was always taught that we worship the same God, but with different viewpoints. Now, unfortunately, it seems like times have changed, and you get this they worship the moon god/false god/idol rubbish. Personally, I think that this is a backlash against the the fact that Islam is/was the fastest growing religion in the U.S., xenophobia, and of course September 11. As for the problem at hand Br. Saam, I totally agree with the previous posters that you should seek action. I would definitely try to file a police report to get something on paper in case this thing were to get out of control. I don care who this man is, you don't need this kind of crap in your life. Really it's just unbelievable that someone would have the nerve. . . [wlm] :-) |
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| jannah |
| 05/27/04 at 14:50:24 |
| [wlm] [quote]I am pretty sure it is not a missionary. [/quote] really? he sounds exactly like a missionary to me. he said the exact same things i get from missionaries in my email every day. they use the same exact "arguments" all the time which then denegrate into insults and complete racism and zenophobia. apparently not every evangelist is kind and respectful of other people's religions :) saam i would not talk to him at all. hang up, then immediately call your phone company. they will block your phone from receiving any phone calls for him. if you are approached in real life, call the police and file a complaint and restraining order. you never know how far a person can go when they are frothing with hatred. i don't want to scare you, but we've seen so many incidents of violence against muslims in hate-crimes rise in the last year so please be careful, take all the precautions you can inshaAllah. |
| 05/27/04 at 15:00:22 |
| jannah |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 05/27/04 at 21:31:19 |
| Jannah, I guess We would have to define missionary. I would consider a person who emails someone or who calls up someone they do not know with threats and insults a dork and a person without social skills and in badly need of counciling and a life. i promise I will never email you with any threats or insults. I will maybe someday email you a pic of my kids if i can ever figure out how my scanner works. I think I owe a couple of people here my kids picture and i finally got a scanner for christmas and hopefully in the next seven months or so i can figure out how it works. boy did I get way off topic. Oh and nadeem I was not offended at all |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/28/04 at 01:54:19 |
| [slm] Saam, these missionaries have very limited knowledge and the example done to you is exactly the kind of techniques they use. Just the other day, one of them emailed me. I'll respond to the guy a little later and make him really question his beliefs insha'Allah. The amount of ignorance these missionaries and evangelicals have is amazing, they are a cancer on our society. May Allah (SWT) protect the Muslims from them. AMEEN. If you need any help in articles or books to respond to them, just let me know. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 05/28/04 at 10:20:35 |
| gosh, I have never been termed as a cancer before, oh well. Some peope do have limited knowledge though. I will have to agree with that one. |
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| Dawn |
| 05/28/04 at 15:17:20 |
| [slm] OK, Mike, coming in to back you up on this one. ;) I don't think you qualify as a cancer, but hey, what do I know of what a cancer looks like. Also, keep in mind that what follows is coming from a former Christian, though I do try to let that fact color my memories as little as possible. First, I think that we are using two different definitions of "missionary" here. This is a term which, in my experience, has two different meanings. The first of those meanings, and I think the more common one in Christian circles -- perhaps 90% or so of the general usage -- would be ministering/serving usually in a foreign country while relying on the gifts of others to pay the expenses associated with doing so. In the church in which I was raised, I would say that 50% of the time, that ministering/serving meant "evangelism"/"spreading the gospel"/"telling others about Jesus" (I use quotation marks as these are sort of shop-talk terms used in the circles in which I was raised) and 50% of the time, it meant service, whether, medical, educational, or other. (And contrary to what I have seen elsewhere, this was no-strings-attached service. There was none of this "conversion for food" >:( sort of manipulation.) However, the other, minority, usage of the word was to describe anyone, anywhere who was trying to "spread the Gospel". The individual engagaging Saam probably feels he falls into this category, and thus, using this definition of the word is not inappropriate. In answer to another question raised by Nadeem, the word "evangelist" these days tends to be another term for "preacher", either sort of an itinerant preacher, who goes from place to place seeking to "lead souls to Christ" or a preacher who reaches vast numbers of people via mass media. Hence, the likes of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Orel Roberts, the Bakers, etc., are often called evangelists. The word "evangelical", on the other hand, is more often used to describe a belief/value system within Christianity. The folks in the church I was raised in (which most definitely identified itself as evangelical) would not have categorized the likes of Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson as evangelical (and would cringe at the thought of being thought of in the same category as them), but rather as fundamentalists. However, both Jerry and Pat as well as their entourage likely think of themselves as evangelical. Hence, the active definition of "evangelical" differs among evangelicals themselves. As a matter of fact, I would venture a guess that the variability of beliefs and values held among self-declared evangelicals is nearly as large as the variability of beliefs and values held among self-declared Muslims. In any case, not all evangelists are evangelicals and certainly not all evangelicals are evangelists, at least given the common usage of the terms. Now, all this is just based on my past experience, which is not the most recent, as the only evangelicals I have had any real interaction with for the last, oh, 15 years or so, are my family, though they don't seem to think anything has really changed in their microcosm. So anyone else with "evangelical" experience, past or present should feel free to jump in, especially if their experience differs! with Peace, Dawn |
| 05/29/04 at 09:21:40 |
| Dawn |
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| Sparrow |
| 05/28/04 at 16:38:51 |
| Hi All: Dawn, interesting post. Frankly I am just amazed that anyone of any faith would be so rude as to call someone they don't know at home (invading their privacy) and then harass them about what they believe and lecture them as to why it is wrong or misguided. Is this common in religious circles? My gosh, that takes some pretty large....well, you know! Peace, Sparrow |
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| Saam |
| 05/28/04 at 17:44:19 |
| [slm] [quote author=mike link=board=lighthouse;num=1085683583;start=10#10 date=05/28/04 at 10:20:35]gosh, I have never been termed as a cancer before [/quote] I don't think bhaloo was terming you as a cancer, Mike, but rather to those missionaries/evangelists who spread hate and lies about Islam (and other religions) and call that mission work (many of them do). Jazaakallah khair to all you brothers and sisters who gave advice. So far this guy hasn't called me back yet. Bhaloo, I honestly don't think there's any point in me responding to this guy... I already presented solid evidences to him while he was harrassing me on the phone, and he just didn't want to listen. He was very closed-minded, and it seems he is convinced that all non-Christians (actually he was bashing Catholics too, I should say non-"members of his particular sect") are evil. Then again, it might be good to have these articles and books just in case I get approached by someone else. I already have evidences, but maybe these articles can help them be presented in a concise manner. May Allah protect us all from the hatred of this world. [slm] Saam ;-) |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/28/04 at 21:20:56 |
| [slm] Most if not all of these missionaries and evangelicals are really bad people. I don't know of anything good they have done. They have no business being in other countries and it is forbidden for them to be spreading their beliefs in Islamic countries. Looking the word Missionary up in the dictionary yields this result: 1). One who is sent on a mission, especially one sent to do religious or charitable work in a territory or foreign country. 2). One who attempts to persuade or convert others to a particular program, doctrine, or set of principles; a propagandist. ;======================================================== Definition two is the one most of us are aware of. Their charitable work involves religious work. If these people are really sincere like some are claiming, why don't these christian missionaries just donate to an Islamic organization or give money/food directly to some non-religious relief agency. The thing is these people are only interested in spreading their corrupt beliefs at the health and well being of some poor individuals. We've read the articles about how missionaries are going into the middle east to convert. And look what happened in Afghanistan. Those deviant christian missionaries went in there to spread their false beliefs onto the Muslims. This is a fact. I know one preacher out here who admitted he was supplying bibles to them and admitted they were trying to convert Muslims. Don't support these people in anyway, donate only to Muslim organizations. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 05/29/04 at 00:48:37 |
| saam, If someone terms you most if not all evangelicals are bad people I would think that I am fitting into the cancer definition at least in some muslims eyes. I personally think that I have and many friends have done lots of good for lots of people. But then again that is only my opinion. Dawn, You are so good at articulating thoughts, I cannot seem to write more than one sentence without gettng lost Thanks |
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| Nadeem |
| 05/29/04 at 06:53:21 |
| [slm] Dawn, thanks for the interesting post, sis. It was very informative and I leant a lot. :) If you would mind bearing with my ignorance on this subject, I'd like to ask a couple of questions: So it seems from your explanation that "evangelicals" are distinct from "evangelists" (did I get that right?). Evangelicals are people who call others to the way of the Lord through Jesus Christ, while "evangelists" are more likely to be of the sort that espouse derogatory remarks about Islam and other non-evangelist beliefs? So that means there would be evangelicals that realise that there is only One God and all religions (especially Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths) worship the same God? It kind of reminded me of the way, people view Islam from the outside, and if they've only ever been exposed to Bin Laden et al, then their view of Islam would be, to put it mildly...distorted. So people like the preachers you mentioned are not part of mainstream evangelical community. Did I get all of that right? Thanks :) [wlm] |
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| Sparrow |
| 05/29/04 at 08:20:24 |
| Good Morning All, at least on the east coast of the USA. :) What is the difference between doing missionary work and doing dawah? (Not a sarcastic question, BTW.) Obviously there will be differences of approach depending on the person who is doing it, but what is the difference in concept? Thanks Peace Sparrow |
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| bhaloo |
| 05/29/04 at 08:58:13 |
| [slm] Sparrow, that's a great question. I had a feeling someone was going to ask it. Maybe some others would like to answer that. I'll use the excuse I'm getting late for work. ;) At least for now. Nadeem, they distort the concept of one God, by saying He has a son and they have this trinity concept, 3 in 1. And you probably already know that, but in case you weren't sure. Quran 9:30 And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allâh, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allâh. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allâh's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! |
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| Dawn |
| 05/29/04 at 09:20:32 |
| [slm] To attempt to answer your questions, Nadeem, [quote author=Nadeem link=board=lighthouse;num=1085683583;start=10#16 date=05/29/04 at 06:53:21] So it seems from your explanation that "evangelicals" are distinct from "evangelists" (did I get that right?). [/quote] So far so good. Though I might say distinct, but with some overlap -- sort of like the circles in the Olympic flag. [quote] Evangelicals are people who call others to the way of the Lord through Jesus Christ, while "evangelists" are more likely to be of the sort that espouse derogatory remarks about Islam and other non-evangelist beliefs? [/quote] Yes for the first part, and "sort of" for the second. I am afraid that there are not a few evangelicals who would also espouse derogatory remarks about Islam and other non-Christian (read non-their-particular-beliefs) religions. Evangelicals are a variable bunch, as Mike, I am sure, can attest to. As to the second part, it certainly would appear that many, if not most, of the big name TV evangelists do seem to have little respect for other religions. However, this does not mean that this is a requirement for being an evangelist. As a matter of fact, I can think of at least one, certainly lesser known, person who would qualify as an evangelist (but doesn't have a regular TV program!), who is a glaring exception to such a statement. (It might, however, be a requirement for getting a good TV following!!!!!!!) [quote] So that means there would be evangelicals that realise that there is only One God and all religions (especially Jewish, Christian, and Islamic faiths) worship the same God?[/quote] Most definitely. Certainly my family and most of the folks (but not all) in their church would fall into this category. But as to whether such people constitute a majority within the evangelical community today, I couldn't say. Sadly, I would probably be tempted to say no. Perhaps Mike has a better feel for that. [quote]It kind of reminded me of the way, people view Islam from the outside, and if they've only ever been exposed to Bin Laden et al, then their view of Islam would be, to put it mildly...distorted. So people like the preachers you mentioned are not part of mainstream evangelical community. Did I get all of that right?[/quote] Yes, that would be a fairly good comparison, I think, and there are people who remain willfully ignorant of the nature of the "other side" in both camps (Muslim and evangelical Christian). Except, I am not at all sure that today, some of the above preachers aren't considered a part of the mainstream evangelical community. Certainly when I was a kid, from my church's point of view, they weren't. But as I said before, it has been a loooong time, and the center may have shifted. See, when I was growing up, at least where I was, there was a difference between what was viewed as fundamentalist and what was viewed as evangelical. Today, I often get the feeling that that difference has been distinctly blurred, mostly because those who were/are fundamentalists have also taken on the term evangelical, hence most distinctly increasing the variability of beliefs among evangelicals. Mike, can you help on this one? OK, I don't think that was terribly clear, but I hope it helped. (There is only so much one can think and type while balancing a baby on one's lap and typing around her.) With Peace, Dawn |
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| Dawn |
| 05/29/04 at 09:48:37 |
| [slm] [quote author=bhaloo link=board=lighthouse;num=1085683583;start=10#14 date=05/28/04 at 21:20:56] Their charitable work involves religious work. If these people are really sincere like some are claiming, why don't these christian missionaries just donate to an Islamic organization or give money/food directly to some non-religious relief agency. [/quote] Again, I can only speak from my experience, but in the charitable work run by my parents' church, they often are the ONLY relief agency, for instance, hospital or clinic or orphanage, operating in that area. There is definitely no Islamic organization in sight (for ex. Haiti), and they cooperate with the non-religious relief agencies which work, perhaps in the same country, but not in that particular area. [quote]The thing is these people are only interested in spreading their corrupt beliefs at the health and well being of some poor individuals. We've read the articles about how missionaries are going into the middle east to convert. And look what happened in Afghanistan. Those deviant christian missionaries went in there to spread their false beliefs onto the Muslims. This is a fact. I know one preacher out here who admitted he was supplying bibles to them and admitted they were trying to convert Muslims. [/quote] Certainly there are many individuals that fall into the above category. I know of a couple myself. But painting a group of people, in this case, supposed Christian missionaries, with the same brush just because we know of at least a few bad apples is to fall into the same trap as those who categorize all Muslims based on what a few supposed Muslims are purported to have done. Sweeping generalizations are best used, I think, very sparingly. Oh, and I also would like to know the answer to Sparrow's question! With Peace, Dawn |
| 05/29/04 at 09:50:44 |
| Dawn |
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| rajullunyas-aa |
| 06/15/04 at 10:11:29 |
| [slm], my dearest brother sam, i will really want to serch your own mind to know the extent of your conviction about islam and once you are convinced that you are on the right track, i mean if there is no an unswered question bothering your mind about the islamic faith, then i will want you to invite him and talk to him directly and be good to him, have more control over your self, show great respect that is due to issa alayhi salaam, show him what you have learnt from muhammad [saw], and you will see a miracle, because it was with good character that muhammad [saw] won the souls of the kufars to the extent that even those that were send to destroy him only leave with a mind full of compassion and believe in his message and truthfulness, so í will not want you to avoid him , rather i will prefer getting closer to him so that at the end it will that the send predator with a specific mission of hunting and devouring its target will now end up been consumed not in a brutal way that it come with but with love and respect and truthfulness. abdullah razaaq. |
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